Unwinnable Seed Discussion | Balatro | Page 1

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:39 PM

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the reason i picked ante 2 instead of ante 1 is to limit how many cards the player can fish through which is the main problem(other than yk getting jokers n stuff)

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also most people would think that the final blind would be ante 1 but it's actually ante 2

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 9:46 PM

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Manacle Ante 1 into Water Ante 2 on black deck gold stake with little scoring might be impossible

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:47 PM

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i think needle would be better for this situation to limit scaling and other things

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 9:47 PM

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True

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Probably for a wider search (Hook or Manacle) into (Water or Needle) is good for keeping things open, 4 times the options

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:47 PM

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the pillar ante 1 might be good to slow down scoring aka slow money down too

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also it'd force some skipping to lessen money even more

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Well if ante 2 is the target does ante 1 boss really matter?

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:48 PM

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pulsar quartz Well if ante 2 is the target does ante 1 boss really matter?

well i mean do you want them to have a good amount of money by one shotting the ante 1 boss

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 9:49 PM

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If the beginning of ante 2 is bad, then…

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:49 PM

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investment tags are definitely banned lol

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 9:49 PM

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Unless you get lucky you’re not one shotting the boss

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:49 PM

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we can get away some shitty arcana pack skips

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wait imagine the deck draw for ante 1 is heart-heavy and then the head

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im gonna try to map out the maximum planet lvl you can have without beating the needle

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all the base hands

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you cannot win the needle ante 2 with these levels(and that deck draw)

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Isn’t white stake ante 2 like 800

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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this is gold stake

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forgot to mention

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Well then it’s even higher

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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apparently it's 1k ante 2

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(the needle)

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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And HC is wrong

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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(forgot to mention again this is using plasma calcs to cover more grounds)

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Oh ok

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 10:00 PM

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im so proud of this horrendous deck draw

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 10:00 PM

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You forgot the 2x Scoring Requirements for Plasma

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 10:00 PM

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i didn't

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all of them score under 2k for plasma

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using the maximum possible ranks/suits

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 10:01 PM

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Oh ok

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 10:01 PM

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the best hand you can do no levels is 1369 plasma and 280 normal

rigid mortar Apr 24, 2024, 10:01 PM

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I miscalculated

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 10:02 PM

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hardest part is figuring out shop queues(specifically how good can the shop queues be and it still be impossible)

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and the buffoon pack thing

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i am just now realizing
you can skip this deck draw

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so now the amount of unwinnable seeds shrink even more

pulsar quartz Apr 24, 2024, 10:07 PM

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That’s why imo the deck doesn’t need to be perfect

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You need like a chain reaction of failure

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A bad ante 1 that doesn’t give you enough support for ante 2 which in turn doesn’t give you enough for ante 3 even if you can barely win

tranquil arrow Apr 24, 2024, 10:20 PM

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what if this deck draw was for round 1

tranquil arrow Apr 25, 2024, 1:11 AM

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hypothetical deck draw against the head

livid jungle Apr 26, 2024, 11:20 PM

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rigid mortar Apr 26, 2024, 11:28 PM

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What about something like Glass that is one of few ways to gain score but breaks too early to win?

tranquil arrow Apr 26, 2024, 11:29 PM

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idk

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math was supposed to search for potential unwinnable seeds rn

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he didn't even start it :)

pulsar quartz Apr 26, 2024, 11:31 PM

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I’ll get to it in a few hours

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We were talking about fullskip black gold right?

tranquil arrow Apr 26, 2024, 11:32 PM

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yea

pulsar quartz Apr 26, 2024, 11:33 PM

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Alr

tranquil arrow Feb 6, 2025, 8:57 PM

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wow its been forever

pulsar quartz Feb 6, 2025, 11:41 PM

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left dragon Feb 10, 2025, 11:42 PM

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imma have a crack at this

pulsar quartz Feb 11, 2025, 2:46 AM

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left dragon imma have a crack at this

Try seeds with no jokers in ante 1/2/3

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I did that sort of filter for a speedrun tourney, and combined with black deck gold stake things could get very interesting

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