#[WIP] BALATROTALE - Undertale mod

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still adder
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this post was inevitable but i feel better making it now that i have all the souls done

this mod will add jokers and other stuff based on undertale and deltarune because im normal as freak and i consume media in a healthy way

so far all it has are the souls but i'm gonna add more before i release the mod

always open to suggestions

also i'm obligated to mention that i'm very much a beginner when it comes to programming... i'm super grateful for the help i've gotten from the more experienced programmers in the community but there may be some bugs in this mod! please let me know if you find anything once it's out

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hearty girder
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we will watch your career with great interest

olive furnace
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what if they all used soul_pos

crisp birch
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nice undertale

hearty girder
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it would be pretty based if they used soul_pos

still adder
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current ideas:

  • food jokers for some iconic undertale food items like the legendary hero
  • jokers for some weapons/armor like the real knife
  • tasque manager: after scoring, rounds your chips and mult based on their first digit (ie. 123 is rounded to 100 and 67830 is rounded to 70000)
  • spamton econ joker obviously it's such low hanging fruit
  • some commons/uncommons based on the deltarune card npcs
  • oddity support because why not it feels in the spirit of utdr
crisp birch
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me when butterscotch pie

hearty girder
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oddity support hype

olive furnace
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i will be looking forward to those oddities

reef tiger
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messaging to follow dw

still adder
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i want to use this mod as an excuse to make an oddity that just adds chips to your score without playing a hand because that sounds really funny

reef tiger
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this is very cool

still adder
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but then i might have to deal with the whole "making sure you automatically win when you beat the blind outside of a hand" thing but it's ok it'll be worth it

reef tiger
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i like how patience is just sittin on a chair lol

hearty girder
crisp birch
reef tiger
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side note: isnt red determination? (and if not, how would it be implemented?)

hearty girder
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determination is just a property of souls

reef tiger
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ah

hearty girder
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red is exemplary in this regard but not exclusive

olive furnace
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can i get a [[Hyperlink Blocked]] oddity that [[Does What It Says on the Tin!]]?

reef tiger
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red just has more?

hearty girder
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(or at least, that's what can be inferred from the Holy Texts)

reef tiger
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i see

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i wonder how it would be implemented then!

still adder
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the red soul being associated with determination is a fanon thing it has no canon soul trait

reef tiger
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(same if there was a monster soul added, wonder how that would work... )

hearty girder
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it's so weird to me that its been so long since undertale came out and yet we still know like, less than half a shoestring's worth about the Lore and Mechanics Of The Universe

reef tiger
hearty girder
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in the sense that a lot of things are just "Yeah It Works Like That Dont Think About It"

halcyon jolt
unborn mesa
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i love bravery

olive furnace
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eternal kindness + madness synergy is crazy

hearty girder
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the knife....

still adder
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1 in a million synergy but it'd go crazy

olive furnace
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so true

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you get it

still adder
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i might end up tweaking some of the xmult gains for some of these if they end up being too good btw i just have mostly everything set to 1 as a base

random grotto
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perseverance seems worse in every way than mr bones
and mr bones is an uncommon while perserverance is a rare

olive furnace
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perseverance doesn't go away afaik

random grotto
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ah

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right

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the description was a bit confusing

olive furnace
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infinite uses as long as you don't rely on any mult not from jonklers

random grotto
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what does "halve this xmult " mean

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does it just apply a x0.5 mult

olive furnace
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starts with x1 mult, everytime it saves you it gets to be a worse and worse debuff

random grotto
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oh

still adder
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yeah perseverance saves you from death forever as long as you meet half the blind but you have to lock in

random grotto
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hm

still adder
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i might end up changing it to like x0.75 per death instead of x0.5

random grotto
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yeah

olive furnace
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i think its fine how it is

still adder
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i kinda wanna do undyne + undyne the undying jokers that are like a gross michael and cavendish situation

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except undyne doesn't destroy herself you have to kill her

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i was thinking of adding more joker destroying items anyway so it'll probably work out

still adder
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i also had another joker idea that i realized a good way to incorporate it into this mod

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"mtt resort" - +2 joker slots - while joker slots are full, this is rental

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so it basically doesn't take up any space on its own but also adds an extra joker slot - but you need to pay for it

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i'll need to make it so it can't be sold if your slots are full though

summer glade
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wait, its already peak
i wanna see where this goes

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my only concern is bravery seems a little strong lol

integrity seems really cool too

still adder
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stats aren't necessarily final i'll probably end up balancing things if they end up being too bad or too good

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bravery is balanced by the fact that it directly makes itself harder to trigger but it does get easier again as you progress, so i'll have to think about it

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i'm thinking of either lowering the XMult that gets added or making it so each trigger requires a higher percentage of the blind to be earned in the final hand

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i honestly like the second option a lot because it not only gives the joker a nerf, but it forces you to take greater risks if you want to scale it more

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i might actually go ahead and implement that and do a test run to see how it plays

still adder
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because then if it had rental when you got it, i think it'd just get removed instantly?

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i might just hook into calculate_rental

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we're fully booked

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mtt resort is done

summer glade
still adder
random grotto
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nice

still adder
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i might try putting the randomization into a curve to make lower values more likely

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cause otherwise it might be too good for an uncommon

still adder
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this is on hold temporarily because i'm making another mod rn that will act as a sort of "library" for it

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basically just a bunch of stuff relating to stickers and detrimental jokers. i think it'll be a whole lot of fun :) i wanted to give this mod some harmful jokers but felt like it'd be better to put the other stuff related to harmful jokers as a whole in its own sorta utils mod

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that being said, it does require the sticker api so if i somehow end up finishing both these mods before that gets merged, then they'll have to be put on hold until then lmao

still adder
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here's a sneak peek of a legendary i designed yesterday

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btw the thing i said before about the mod being on hold is no longer true, after thinking about it a but more i decided i'm gonna go ahead and work towards an initial release with about 15 or so jokers and no dependencies other than oddityapi

olive furnace
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is the background a shader or something?

still adder
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yea

peak mulch
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already have a download link?

still adder
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it's not done

peak mulch
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Ok, thanks

warm creek
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Just gotta see if someone had any ideas to bring stuff from GlitchTale into the mix, such as the Pink Soul of Fear and 'HATRED'

somber talon
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New enhancement:

Bone card
• Gives you a skele-ton of crispy chips when scored.

still adder
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i'm not doing any AU stuff

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also if i do any enhancements/editions/etc i'd rather them do something unique rather than be a better version of a vanilla one

somber talon
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sorry, a skele-ton of chips probably was a bit much

bright charm
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boss themed blinds…

still adder
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i may end up doing blinds

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i'd have to think pretty hard about themeing though because all the existing blinds basically cover a majority of effects one could even come up with

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there are some i could think of that involve "partial debuffing" of multiple suits, but i'm not sure if that'd be possible

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i could just have them score no chips but that would be a lot worse in earlygame than lategame

still adder
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i might have an enhancement idea

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Karmic, scores 1 chip but is retriggered

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could lead to some really sick synergies

bright charm
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me with my karmic red seal king with sock & buskin and hanging chad

dense abyss
coral jetty
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Just copy megalovania joker

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from balatrostuck

still adder
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think i may do a fusion joker that's an amalgamate

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just for fun

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reaper bird fusion thats legs extend off the bottom of the card..

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that'd probably be possible but hard to program

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i could probably use the same method half/square/etc use to be shorter but in reverse, but that'd also probably center the card weirdly

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ideally it'd be like the first image rather than the second

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which may be possible with some front/shader trickery, idk

still adder
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oddities may not be able to happen due to tech support not being possible at least for the time being

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i might consider other consumables or i might just stick to jokers

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also the joker mentioned above was scrapped due to the visual gag being extremely convoluted and a total waste of time to implement

random grotto
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hmm

wicked mural
still adder
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small update:

  • this mod will require steamodded 1.0 when it comes out, i'm developing on it even though it's only in alpha because it's coming out sort of soon and i don't want the mod to become immediately unusable
  • oddities and the karmic enhancement are being scrapped unless those APIs are updated to 1.0
  • the mod is probably about halfway done, conceptualization is mostly complete, it's mostly just implementing the ideas i have and spritework that's left over
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the scope of this mod used to be bigger but after issues with 1.0 syntax, api stuff, and the general jankiness of modding i'm focused on trying to just get something out rather than being super ambitious and trying to add in a bunch of crazy unique features

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i'm hoping i can release the mod before i lose motivation completely 🙏 i can feel it happening slowly but the idea of what i've already done going to waste is enough to keep me going

dense abyss
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i'm excited! :D

barren flower
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Just seeing everything you’ve accomplished will be a blessing to future modders

coral jetty
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Abandoned quiche joker that gains +1 tarot on sell at end of round

normal wolf
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"how was the fall"

delicate timber
mellow parcel
still adder
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been on a short hiatus because of irl stuff but i'm hoping to get back to work on this soon

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still determined not to let it die

valid narwhal
slim silo
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And not in a bad way

wooden ermine
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I have a small idea - instead of "death" tarot, you could switch name to "Spear of Justice" and card would be showing Undyne's spear

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sorry, i meant "hanged man"

slim silo
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Judgement-Sans

graceful night
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i'll be watching this. with interest

brisk crest
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i could see like

slim silo
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Sans

brisk crest
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The Monarch (asgore) - Cards with a rank of 5 and under are debuffed.

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The Judge (sans) - You can only use one suit type, all others are debuffed.

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the suit type is probably determined based off of the most in your deck

slim silo
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If you have one suit only?

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The Plant

brisk crest
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useless blind then lol

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it happens sometimes

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like with the plant on abandoned deck or whatever its called

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sans' main SOUL type is blue, as he judges your integrity

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not just integrity for pacifism, but your integrity and commitment to the run youre doing

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whether its pacifist, genocide or some kind of neutral

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The Monster (flowey) - Disables the use of consumables during the blind.

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not sure exactly how hard that one is, but flowey literally removes all your options in the game

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so it fits for him to be meta like that

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in his bossfight, i mean

slim silo
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Your. Best. Nightmare.

brisk crest
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ehh i chose monster because it was fairly poetic

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actually

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flowey would probably be a boss blind

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boss boss blind i mean

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along with sans

slim silo
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Showdown Blind

brisk crest
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theyre called finishers i think

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Ivory Dust (flowey)

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Azure Judge (sans)

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and then maybe asriel could have his own

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since flowey is more neutral, asriel is pacifist

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ending wise

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Chromatic Angel (hyperdeath asriel) - Disable enhancements.

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like how he disables your ability to save, load, or mercy

humble meadow
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this looks really cool

cosmic bough
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Can't wait to see how this turns out

azure fjord
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when

tall pilot
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i don't need it... i don't need it... i DEFINITELY don't need it...

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I NEEEED ITTTT