#[Concepting] Dragon Ballatro

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zinc pumice
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Trying to think of some Dragon Ball Themed Items. Expect me to reference everything from OG/Z/Super/GT/Extrended Multiverse (games/OVAs/etc) Down the line.

For now here are all the characters that will have a Blind

  • Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
  • First Form Frieza (Namek)
  • Perfect Cell (Cell Saga)
  • Buuhan (Buu Saga)
  • Red Ribbon Army Logo (For OG Dragon Ball)
  • Demon King Piccolo (OG Dragon Ball)
  • Beerus
  • Golden Frieza
  • Goku Black
  • Jiren
  • Moro
  • Granolah
  • Baby
  • Super 17
  • Omega Shenron
  • Cell Max

Some Planets:

  • Vegeta
  • Yardrat
  • Vampa | +2 to most played hand, increase next blind requirement by 10%
  • Namek

I was thinking with the Planets of doing something different than the typical planets focusing on played hands only.

For Jokers, I think either events or characters are fine, dunno exactly what. Input is appreciated.

I do want decks to be in this too, so we could theme the decks off characters or groups.

queen cave
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hello chat

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goku gotta be the jimbo of this mod fr

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i think it'd be cool if this mod had special tarots that could upgrade jokers
like if you use a super saiyan tarot and select goku it makes super saiyan goku

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(or another type of consumable card, but idk how possible that is)

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also for a deck idea

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hyperbolic deck
named after hyperbolic time chamber
start at ante 0
ante increases by 2 per boss defeated
also some other bonuses to balance this out

zinc pumice
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Well i’m not replacing stuff but Goku is the protagonist after all.

zinc pumice
zinc pumice
queen cave
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goku has a bunch of transformations thatd be great for this

queen cave
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see if you can do it

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thats what goku would say

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keep training and push harder

zinc pumice
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Capsules: New Consumable type.

Tarot Capsule: Create a random Tarot card. 1 in 3 chance of creating a second Tarot Card

Planet Capsule: Create a random planet card. 1 in 3 chance of creating a second planet Card

Spectral Capsule: Create a random spectral card. 1 in 3 chance of creating a second spectral Card

Booster Capsule: Adds 3 random cards to your deck.

Nesting Capsule: create a random capsule. 1/3 chance of making a second

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Senzu Bean: +4 hands, +3 discards until end of round. Add all discarded cards back into deck

queen cave
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🔥

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what would you call the capsule that transforms a joker

zinc pumice
queen cave
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my professional opinion:

it'd be pretty cool

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could just be called an upgrade capsule

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say there's like 4 tiers of jokers depicted by a new tag on a joker
if you use an upgrade capsule on a tier 1 joker it costs $5 and tier 2 costs $10 etc
they'd be pretty common to get out of packs, but they arent an instant take every time because of their extra initial cost

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and then there could also be a tier 1/2/3 capsule which have corresponding initial costs and give a random joker from that tier

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(when i say "costs" i mean that the capsule itself takes away that much money when you use it, along with its upgrade effect)

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this allows representation for every iconic dragon ball transformation

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without adding like 7 different gokus on 7 different jokers

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also gotta be a soul-like legendary capsule

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which makes a random max tier joker
these could either be accessible through like 7 upgrades or through this capsule, being the strongest forms of characters like UI and UE for goku/vegeta for example

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and this mod could then also be compatible with the fusion jokers mod and have dragon ball fusions in it

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oh that'd be super cool

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im also thinking what if jokers in this mod had a number of charges on effects which reset after a boss is defeated
this is something that would make the gameplay of this mod a lot more unique, something like this for example:
+10 mult. Effect disabled after 3 hands. Refreshes after Boss Blind.
(3 remaining)

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which would also add an extra value to scale for upgrading jokers which makes them easier to balance since there's more values to tweak per joker

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this also reflects the high stamina cost on certain forms, say super saiyan 3 for example having a powerful effect with a low number of charges

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if this happens then having the ability to enable/disable joker effects would be a necessity, perhaps a "use" button prompt that appears on each joker, with the joker being dimmed slightly when it is disabled

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im just spitballing here lmk what you think when you're around

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as for jokers

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ive had an idea for final explosion floating around in my head for awhile

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the longer you keep it, the more it charges, and then when you sell it something happens

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that would technically work for any move that can be charged

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but final explosion fits the theme of a sell joker

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future trunks could tell you which boss is after the next boss at tier 1
depends if you're leaning more towards theming joker effects around the thing they're based on or not

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will always appreciate extra boss counterplay

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for another charge-based joker, kaioken
1.5x mult. 0.75x mult after 3 hands. Refreshes after Boss Blind.
(3 remaining)

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kaioken is a technique and not a transformation so i think it's better on its own joker over being a goku tier

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same with UI sign except that'd probably be a rare

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there's also king kai's planet for another planet

zinc pumice
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Oh boy. Opinion time

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Opinion time when waking up scares the heck out of me lol

zinc pumice
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After all, there’ll be more legendary jokers

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I was thinking of doing something like High Card for transformations

queen cave
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there could be more tiers than rarity though
does that mean there will be more rarities

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epic rarity when

zinc pumice
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One idea before i passed out: You start off buying base forms in the shop, and then after certain criteria are met, they transform randomly

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With lower forms being more likely than higher forms

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But the higher forms give you insane stuff

queen cave
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i don't know how much i like the idea of the transformations being random
that makes all 6s feel a little busted

zinc pumice
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If anything it’d make the forms worse

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Or even if anything

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Because they’d all have X chance. But now they have 2x chance each

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Which evens out

queen cave
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it also kinda undermines the effort it takes the characters to reach said forms (again i do not know if you're going more for accurately referencing dragon ball however possible than anything else)

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makes them feel less earned

zinc pumice
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I'm not trying to accurately make a dragon ball thing in Balatro

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just accurate "Enough"

queen cave
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still makes them feel less earned
balatro already has enough issues with luck being a factor and i think its better to minimise that
especially in the main mechanic of the jokers of a large mod

zinc pumice
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Complete Base Goal: Transforms into SSJ, SSJ into SSJ2, SSJ3, then have 2 goals for SSJ3 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta to either get SSJ4 (SSJ4 ends it) or SSG. SSG goes into Blue, Evolution (if Vegeta) and UI Sign for Goku, Ultra Ego for Vegeta and Ultra Instinct for Goku

queen cave
queen sand
# zinc pumice Okay then we make it so that each form has a goal

would you not make form cards as a new consumable type and the next one can only appear after you use the last one and they have a chance to appear from any pack and a chance to appear in shop and they each give diff effects like permanent +20 chips, permanent 2x mult, etc

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but make them more expensive as you go

queen cave
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also crimson won't be doing much for the next week or so iirc

zinc pumice
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Only concepts

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But that won’t be until like thursday or friday that the week will start

zinc pumice
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Goku:

Base - Common -
Super Saiyan - Common -
Super Saiyan 2 - Uncommon -
Super Saiyan 3 - Uncommon -
Super Saiyan 4 - Rare -
Super Saiyan God - Rare -
Super Saiyan Blue - Rare -
Ultra Instinct Sign - Rare -
Ultra Instinct - Legendary -

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Seven-Three:

Left hand
Rare
Copies joker ability to the right (regardless of blueprint)

Right Hand
Rare
Copies joker ability to the left (regardless of blueprint)

queen sand
queen sand
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legendary super saiyan

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legendary ofc

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and ui sign legendary

zinc pumice
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The heck is UI sign legendary?

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Also i’m not using blue kaioken to make it even with Vegeta

queen sand
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oh are u making consumables for the jokers

zinc pumice
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No?

queen sand
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then

zinc pumice
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They’ll level up in the effect

queen sand
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ohh

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i get u

zinc pumice
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Yeah, for example:

If xMult plays 5 times, transform

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And boom base to SSJ

queen sand
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ooo cool

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if you get double chips required

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ssj 2

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or smth like that

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oooo

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cool

zinc pumice
queen sand
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yh i get u

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is it gna be the same with other forms

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other cahracters*

zinc pumice
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I know the star is huge, i’m limited in space

queen cave
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thats super cool

zinc pumice
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Thanks. Now to decide whether to use Pixelator on Screenshots or just attempt to draw it

zinc pumice
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Voucher:

Dyno-Cap: Capsules appear in the shop.

Capsule Corp: Capsules appear X2 as likely in the shop

zinc pumice
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Hm.

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Bulma: Joker

Capsule Boxes (Packs for Capsules) and Capsules in shop are free

queen cave
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Krillin: Joker
If chips scored are under 130% of required chips at end of round, create a Senzu Bean (must have room)

queen cave
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not a transformation

queen cave
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concepting goku because i'm bored

Goku:

Base - Common - +4 mult
Upgrade condition: If chips scored are less than 120% of required chips at end of round
Super Saiyan - Common - +10 mult
Upgrade condition: After 2 rounds
Super Saiyan 2 - Uncommon - +20 mult
Upgrade condition: After 1 Ante
Super Saiyan 3 - Uncommon - x3 mult
Upgrade condition: If chips scored are above 200% of required chips at end of round
Super Saiyan God - Rare - x5 mult
Upgrade condition: idk yet
Super Saiyan Blue - Rare - Each scored card gives 2x mult.
Upgrade condition: idk yet
Ultra Instinct Sign - Rare - Each scored card gives 3x mult. Prevents death if chips are above 75% of required chips.
Upgrade Condition: Prevent death with this joker..
Ultra Instinct - Legendary - Each scored card gives 5x mult. Prevents death if chips are above 50% of required chips.

I think it's better to remove SSJ4 and put it on a separate GT goku to spread out the upgrades a little more, it could take waaay too long to get through upgrades if there's too many.

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the vouchers mod got me a little addicted to the "if chips scored are above/below threshold" effect idea

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and i think it works really well in this situation

zinc pumice
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Eternal Dragon Deck:

Start Deck with Dragon Ball Suit. (all 56 cards are Dragon Balls Ace, 2-7)

zinc pumice
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@queen cave Btw, I have a tab on my google sheet for Dragon Ballatro

queen cave
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i see it

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also there's

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52 cards

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not 56

olive temple
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yo, make a orange piccolo card, he would make the biggest card in your hand, bigger

zinc pumice
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7*8 = 56

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I want even set of balls

queen cave
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why x8

zinc pumice
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Mara

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52 cards in a deck

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7*8 = 56

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I'd either have to do 49 cards which is 7*7

queen cave
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the abandoned deck has 40 cards in it

zinc pumice
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or 56 which is 7*8

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I feel like 56 is more fun

queen cave
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i dont think it will make a huge difference which one you choose

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i was just wondering why you chose x8

zinc pumice
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I mean thematically I guess 7*7

queen cave
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so should i put ideas on the google sheet like with comments

zinc pumice
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yup

queen cave
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okay

zinc pumice
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because if i let people edit, they may destroy it

queen cave
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that's fair

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wait

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wouldn't it be more thematic to have a regular deck but 1 random ace,2,3,4,5,6 and 7 are dragon ball suit

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and you can play them as a flush to get a hand called a wish

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cause then you have to like

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find the dragon balls

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how does commenting ideas work like what if there's multiple comments on one box

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will that not be overwhelming

olive temple
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idea for a broly card, gives increasing multiplier every bid, until it explodeas after 12, giving a large boost before dissapering

zinc pumice
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decided to work with Aseprite for the first time

image.png
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just treating this like any other art program

queen sand
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cool

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can u code the jokers

zinc pumice
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I'm waiting for 1.0 before actually coding it so I don't have to rework it

solid bone
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Interested to see how this goes. BTW crimson, is there a thread for your vouchers here? They're actually one of my favorite mods

zinc pumice
queen sand
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ohhhh wait

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you made the card kollection

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ohhhhhhhhhhhh

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o so this isnt like a suggestion like you can actually make mods

zinc pumice
queen sand
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yh ur class

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now im rlly excited for this

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lovely

zinc pumice
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So Goku is Mult-based

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I think Vegeta should be chip based

queen sand
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yh makes sense

zinc pumice
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I want to have Vegeta give permanent +chips onto cards

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Having it be like SSJ2 that gives you +1 chip on the card played

zinc pumice
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Happy Goku Day

queen cave
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oh what

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is it goku day

zinc pumice
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yeah

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It makes sense to finish the base form Goku art for Goku Day

queen cave
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it's also testament guilty gear's birthday today

zinc pumice
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GET THAT OUT OF HERE, IT'S GOKU'S DAY

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jk

zinc pumice
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Vegeta:

Base: +25 chips
SSJ: +50 chips
SSJ2: +50 chips; Scored cards permanently gain +1 chips
Majin: +75 chips: Scored cards permanently gain +2 chips
SSJ4: +100 chips: Scored cards permanently gain +2 chips
SSG: +75 chips: Played cards permanently gain +2 chips
SSB: +100 chips: Played cards permanently gain +2 chips
SSBE: +200 chips: played cards permanently gain +4 chips
UE: +500 chips: played cards permanently gain +5 chips

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Any changes would be appreciated

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And ideas for transforming requirements

queen cave
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like if you score more than 120% of a blind

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but also time based like goku has

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(at least the way i wrote goku

zinc pumice
zinc pumice
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back to art soon

zinc pumice
queen sand
zinc pumice
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And follow the rounds independently

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So if for example: Round 1 needs 600 chips for boss and Round 2 needs 1500 chips. You just need 1200 chips regardless

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Idk

queen sand
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ultra egos power level is 25.263 Septillion

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no i mean chips with no mult

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like raw chips

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so maybe make it so you need like 25,263 chips

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burt thats a bit much

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so like 2,526 chips

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or smth like that idk

zinc pumice
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tf you mean it has a powerlevel of 25.263 septillion?

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Even then, at the LOWEST (for the unknown multipliers, I'll use 2x, aside from SSJ2 as SSJ2 is already 2x)

SSJ = 50x
SSJ2 = 2x
SSJ3 = 4x
SSJG = 2x
SSB = 50x
SSBE = 20x (equal to SSBKK x20 Goku)
UE = 4x (2x and 2x for UI sign and Mastered UI since UE = MUI in power relatively)

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AT THE VERY LEAST, Ultra Ego is 3,200,000x base, and the last VEGETA power level is Namek saga at 250,000

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You're telling me Vegeta got 31 TRILLION times stronger than that

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how the heck did you even get that number to begin with?

queen cave
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what if he evolved after x number of +chips effects trigger

zinc pumice
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I'm not done with this

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HOW THE HECK did you come up with a POWER LEVEL for Ultra Ego Vegeta

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Power Levels haven't been used in Dragon Ball for anything past 150 MILLION in-verse

zinc pumice
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I just think the Ultra Ego Power Level thing is ridiculous

queen cave
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yeah they kinda stopped using power levels

zinc pumice
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I still need to do powers for Goku

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queen sand
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its an estimate that ive seen on alot of websites

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calm down bru

queen sand
zinc pumice
queen cave
zinc pumice
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I could do that

queen cave
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can you link the spreadsheet again

zinc pumice
queen cave
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thanks

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so I js comment ideas in the spreadsheet?

zinc pumice
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yup