[Concept/WIP] Into the Jokerverse

[gaunt harbor]

Into the Jokerverse is a video game crossover themed mod.

Into the Jokerverse sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ae3BQ2m74-sf7-95OejXVRFz9E-DRVBF4GakkXAcOPQ/edit?usp=sharing

[zenith horizon]

Neato

[woeful crag]

hell yeah

[vague skiff]

the one step from eden ones are so good omg!!! (i suggested them (also the debuffed cards from innervate were supposed to be temporary i think cause it fits the source better))

[gaunt harbor]

I didn't want to deal with making temporary cards

[vague skiff]

so true...

[gaunt harbor]

Also 2 out of 52 cards is barely noticeable which isn't the case for osfe

[opaque pilot]

are we allowed to suggust games/jokers?

[vague skiff]

also true...

[gaunt harbor]

Yes, either works

Comment on sheet or mention it here

[opaque pilot]

Game: Rhythm Doctor/ADOFAI
Joker Name: On the 7th Beat
Use: Every 7th played card gets a 7 chip increase

[vague skiff]

bloons td could be interesting

[opaque pilot]

if I had art skills id contribute more card ideas and some art for them but I cant art so I wont bombard you with ideas

[vague skiff]

steel cards gain x0.25 if mult is above [number] when triggered. destroy all played steel cards

honestly i'm not cooking shit i have no idea how that is related to bloons either (i mean i do but its too vague to really consider bloons themed)

[opaque pilot]

I cant resist so here's some more ideas

Game: Arcaea
Name: Light Side
Skill: Hearts & Diamonds are buffed (+x amount to mult and chips), Clubs and Spades are debuffed

Game: Arcaea
Name: Conflict Side
Skill: Clubs & Spades are buffed (+x amount to mult and chips), Hearts & Diamonds are debuffed

[gaunt harbor]

Speaking of art, I had an idea for how joker art can be handled.
I like the idea of joker art having the name of the game in the bottom left corner and reflected on the top right.

Not sure on the font to use yet

[opaque pilot]

Heres more as a treat
Game: ADOFAI
Name: Twin Planets
Skill: Generates two random planet cards for every 7 hands played

[opaque pilot]

I can probably do the art for this one tbh

[vague skiff]

1 more cursed half serious idea that i said in #⚙・modding-general at some point: Shopkeeper (OSFE Legendary) - Access the Shop during blinds through viewing the deck. the cost of Rerolling is set to $6 (or $7) and cannot be changed

[winter wedge]

Wildfrost 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

🥺🥺

[opaque pilot]

oooh I like this one

[vague skiff]

it would genuinely be cool but it sounds so bad to implement

[opaque pilot]

maybe single use/consumable to keep it from being too OP?

[vague skiff]

i don't even think its more powerful than like perkeo

maybe even less powerful than triboulet

[opaque pilot]

Im gonna cook a bit more to get a couple more ideas out and then im gonna log off for the day as well as maybe make a couple concept sketches for the ADOFAI & Rhythm Doctor jokers (if I have time soon because classes and finals soon 💀)

[vague skiff]

also not important but shopkeeper in osfe is insanely overpowered so thats something, not something i'd consider important or good to design around but something

[gaunt harbor]

I'm less corncered of balance and more of "how the fuck am I suppoed to do this?"

LMAO

[vague skiff]

so true

the answer is that you don't and it just stays a somewhat cool "what if?"

[tepid grove]

okay i’m about to sound dumb as hell but

[winter wedge]

itd be cool if there were references to board games

[tepid grove]

chess battle advanced is a real thing and not purely an icely puzzles meme?

[gaunt harbor]

I think?

Idk tbh

[opaque pilot]

oooh I got one I think

[tepid grove]

I’ve tried to look it up several times and can only get icely puzzles stuff

[gaunt harbor]

Maybe it's not and the Icely gaslighting worked

[opaque pilot]

Game: Exploding Kittens
Joker: Defuse
Use: Prevents you from dying to a blind. Only appears once in the shop and is destroyed on use.

[vague skiff]

you're cooking

[winter wedge]

im newt

[vague skiff]

you're newt

[winter wedge]

monopoly

[opaque pilot]

Doubles your money on completeion of each boss blind?

[vague skiff]

this is what makes you newt and not cooking

[winter wedge]

:(

bop-it

[opaque pilot]

Im gonna just move my ideas into a pastebin or something so Flowwey doesnt have to suffer through scrolling the chat to get all 50 7+ of my horrible ideas

[woeful crag]

Here's my cards for this thing

[hollow violet]

ooooooh neat

[opaque pilot]

Neon white my beloved I didnt even know there was neon white cards being made

[hollow violet]

i do have #1224707324061552640 if you're willing to integrate that!

[woeful crag]

yea, i'm just redrawing them to the usual 69 x 93 format

[hollow violet]

hoh wait ONE STEP FROM EDEN???

my gosh

amazing

[opaque pilot]

I burnt the food on my latest idea

on looking at what I came up with I can maybe do the art for most of them if I have the time

[vague skiff]

Game: Unmatched (Bruce Lee if you wanna check it)
Common Joker: One-Inch Punch
Use: if chips scored are at least 95% of required chips Use this to defeat the blind and gain $10 (almost entirely sure this board game is too niche but its also really fitting so)

[woeful crag]

sorry minor sprite fix

[opaque pilot]

alright heres what ive cooked up so far
https://pastebin.com/1fmtdMaS

this will probably be updated as I come up with more ideas, and ive marked which ones ill try to do the art for

[gaunt harbor]

A gacha in MY Balatro?

(It’s really funny)

[opaque pilot]

its more likely than you think

[vague skiff]

all gacha games represented by 1 joker

i think genshin would be most easily recognizable for the card art

[opaque pilot]

yea that was the point of why it was first

im limiting myself to three more ideas added to my god awful idea list, and then im gonna cut myself off from editing it so it doesnt become mainly dominated by my bad taste in games

[vague skiff]

so true

[hollow violet]

stop being so pessimistic

your ideas Are cool

your taste in games Is great

you are amazing

[vague skiff]

accidentally revealing every single one of my favorite games through strange suggestions

[hollow violet]

anyways hmmm

i feel like

[gaunt harbor]

I’m doing the same in the sheet

I have a feeling nobody knows wtf Cogmind or Astrea is

[hollow violet]

7th beat could be better with the 7th scoring card

[hollow violet]

jsDH ive actually heard of astrea!

[vague skiff]

astrea as in the deckbuilder with the white owl thing?

[gaunt harbor]

YES

[vague skiff]

yeah

[hollow violet]

but its way too visually noisy for me to get into

sorry

also again uhh sorry to bring this up
would you like to integrate #1224707324061552640 into this mod maybe(??)

[gaunt harbor]

I can

[vital lantern]

not me opening steam to see which game im gonna make a joker for

[opaque pilot]

god with the ammount of ideas I came up with yall mind if I just make it my own mod?

[hollow violet]

its no big deal yeah

[vital lantern]

noone is stopping you lmfao

[zenith horizon]

sure go ahead

[hollow violet]

you have no commitment to anything or anyone

[zenith horizon]

there's no copyright on a mod y'know

(I think)

[gaunt harbor]

I did the same 😭

[hollow violet]

you are a free spirit and nobody is going to jail you

[vital lantern]

is it possible to make a joker animated?

like, a 3 frame cycle?

[hollow violet]

i believe so, yeah!

[zenith horizon]

Anyways, let me pitch a few ideas

[hollow violet]

theres an api for that i think

[vital lantern]

the "IS" block from Baba is You

[vague skiff]

anyway
Game: Bullet ❤️
Uncommon Joker: Music to Move The Soul
Effect: after a flush is played flip 2 cards in your hand Facedown, facedown cards gain +10 chips when played and count as all suits
Or
(Rare Joker) Effect: 1 in 5 cards are drawn facedown. facedown cards count as all ranks and suits

[vital lantern]

sell it and it turns the card on the left to the card on the right

[hollow violet]

ooooooh

[vital lantern]

but the rarities have to match

[hollow violet]

sounds like a pretty good rare

[vital lantern]

for balance

[hollow violet]

oh

[vital lantern]

idk

[hollow violet]

fair point

[vital lantern]

we can make the rarities not match if you want

[hollow violet]

if you think about it it's just a slightly different invisible joker, right?

[vital lantern]

yeah p much

[hollow violet]

so its pretty fine i think

[vital lantern]

can this mod extend to board games?

[gaunt harbor]

I'm fine with that

[vital lantern]

Wingspan anyone?

[vague skiff]

i was assuming so

[vague skiff]

have never played it somehow

[vital lantern]

me like pretty birds

[vague skiff]

last 2 joker suggestions i put here are based on boardgames btw grassy if you wanna see

[gaunt harbor]

Initially I was iffy since this was for video games but I can just give them this and call it a day

[vital lantern]

lmao

we could totally just make another mod dedicated to board games

if we really want to

[vague skiff]

^

[gaunt harbor]

That to

[opaque pilot]

is there like a good documentation for adding jokers with lua and steammodded since I suck at coding? sorry to hijack this thread

[vital lantern]

lots of inspo to draw from

pun intended

[zenith horizon]

Royal Decrees
Original game: Root
You can play [Poker Hand] without expending a hand this Blind
[Poker Hand] changes per Blind

(art is wip)

[vague skiff]

i forgor how to play that game

[vital lantern]

LETS MAKE A BOARD GAME MOD

HYPE HYPE HYPE

but before that i gotta make myself a Dicey Dungeons reference

[hollow violet]

ah yes
Jester - Uncommon
Creates 3 random temporary cards whenever a hand is played

maybe

[vital lantern]

i was thinking more equipment side?

[hollow violet]

oh Fair point

[vital lantern]

how possible is it to draw a card to a joker

[vague star]

Game: (not exactly a game but is based on making fun of the .EXE trope)
Name: Hyper-Realistic Joker
All Face Cards become Wild Cards

[vital lantern]

and then return that card with +1 value

[opaque pilot]

Hijacking this to say mine is open to board games as the theme is games games and games

[vital lantern]

hmmm

[zenith horizon]

Vital Commodities Trading
Original Game: Space Warlord Organ Trading Simulator
Every played hearts card grants $[X]
Value of [X] changes randomly per Blind, but can be influenced by how many hearts you have played or not

[vital lantern]

what is an iconic dicey dungeons weapon?

[zenith horizon]

bear

[opaque pilot]

dice?

[vital lantern]

Cauldron, Combat Roll, Bear come to mind

[opaque pilot]

probably combat role

[timid pasture]

question: is this like a collab where multiple people are helping with code

[hollow violet]

combat roll probably

[vital lantern]

would be a fun effect too if its possible to code

[vague skiff]

i would have to take a picture for reference of one of the boardgame cards i suggested cause i can't find it online...

[vital lantern]

drag any card into the joker, get a random card back

3 uses per ante

or round

[zenith horizon]

rip

just post any image about it and I think we'll get the idea

[opaque pilot]

Maybe? Im not sure, but I can try to help with all since I dont have enough time to make my own mod (I got shot down by finals week approaching) so im once again gonna shove my ideas back into here, and help as much as I can to this mod

[vague skiff]

naur you need the specific thing, i can legit just grab it though

i'll do that tomorrow

[hollow violet]

what about like
if first discard contains only 1 card, replace it with a random card that you draw to hand???

could be better worded but idk

[timid pasture]

if it is, i strongly suggest splitting up code into multiple files instead of making a single monolithic lua file

[hollow violet]

we could use github's whole merging thing

or like just

[opaque pilot]

I could setup a repository and branches for each person who wants to make cards

Im semi-good with git

[hollow violet]

submit the code and then merge it into one later on

yeah

[opaque pilot]

as its needed for my classes

[timid pasture]

that will 100% cause problems lol

[vague skiff]

btw https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1214097296317227028 has a dicey dungeons legendary

[hollow violet]

how so-

[opaque pilot]

I was thinking more like each person makes a their lua files in the branch and then it gets merged into the main repo

[timid pasture]

if i can use an example from my mod, what i do is have each joker as its own file, and the only lua file that will actually get run by steammodded loads all of the files in this folder

[opaque pilot]

anyway should I make the repo and invite people here the collaborators or does Flowwey want to do that?

[hollow violet]

thats

[gaunt harbor]

I can make a repo

One sec

[timid pasture]

different people have different coding styles, and with callbacks its very likely that multiple people will be touching the same code

[hollow violet]

i mean sure

[timid pasture]

but if you plan ahead, you can avoid these problems

[zenith horizon]

Speed of Orbo
Original Game: Orbo's Odyssey
Every time you complete a Blind under [X] seconds, double current Mult and halves value of [X]
If you fail to do so, set [X] to 60 and reset Mult to x1

[opaque pilot]

I do like the idea of each card is in its own lua file so its not a nightmare

[hollow violet]

yeahhh okay fair enough

[vague skiff]

that sounds like a nightmare ngl

100 lua files speedrun

[foggy meadow]

you can do it if you want for whatever reason

[timid pasture]

i know i literally just started talking in here today, but please trust me on this. the amount of massive mods that are only using one file hurts my programmer soul

[timid pasture]

you can split them up into subfolders per contributor, if you like

[zenith horizon]

Apparatus
Original Game: Lethal Company
When sold, multiply money by [X] and raise Ante by [X] levels
Value of [X] increases per Ante, starts at x1

[gaunt harbor]

I prefer that tbh

[hollow violet]

to be Fair-
that's kind of how lua is made to be, though

and like the game too

[vague skiff]

would steamodded be able to recognize that properly?

[foggy meadow]

now i will continue to use one file

you can directly load a file

[timid pasture]

it does, you can have as many folders and files as you want

[foggy meadow]

search my messages for NFS

[gaunt harbor]

I can only see issues if the jokers need to be together (like if there's several jokers that modify get_straight)

Fery few functions would need this, so it's mostly avoided

[timid pasture]

for that, you can modify get_straight in the main lua file, and have all jokers that need to change it add to a table of functions to be executed

[hollow violet]

I mean I get what you're saying, I'm coming here from java and the fact there was only one file for mods is terrifying

but like it isnt so bad i think

and there are people here for quality control or whatever

[timid pasture]

you can also use love.filesystem fwiw

[foggy meadow]

#⚙・modding-general message

[opaque pilot]

Anwyay, heres my bad ideas list, its the final revision (you guys can take creative liberty with the ones without a skill), asterisk means ill try my best to make the art and maybe code.

https://pastebin.com/1fmtdMaS

Its late, im gonna log off for the day, my github is (hopefully) linked to my discord if you want to add me to the repo, and ill scroll through this to try and catch up tomorrow

[foggy meadow]

dont use love filesystem

[opaque pilot]

sorry flowwey for the giant ammount of ideas

[foggy meadow]

itll break on r2modman

[opaque pilot]

good luck adding it all to the sheet

[timid pasture]

what's that?

[foggy meadow]

a mod manager

with indev balatro support

[vague skiff]

if you're answering me i just meant more like, does it search that many folders deep?

[timid pasture]

steamodded only executes files with the header, and there is a search limit iirc?

[timid pasture]

but it doesn't matter if you just load it yourself with nfs, like this

[vague skiff]

i see

[timid pasture]

anyways, other than swapping out love.filesystem, is there anything else i'll need to do to make my mods compatible with it?

[woeful crag]

i hope one day we can get steam workshop for this stuff

[timid pasture]

steam workshop is a double edged sword

by necessity it has to be more locked-down than user created mod loaders/managers

which means probably no filesystem access, directly modifying pre-existing functions, and things in that vein

[vital lantern]

is rerolling a card into anothe random one good 3 times an ante or 3 times a round?

[foggy meadow]

no its a wrapper for love filesystem if not running þru r2mm

[woeful crag]

rivals of aether did a hell of a lot though

[timid pasture]

good to know, thanks

[woeful crag]

one of the characters is a game of tetris

thats all steam workshop

[timid pasture]

yes, but you can't mess with anything outside of the fighting game state, as an example of the limitations

[woeful crag]

i'm sure it won't be that limiting

[timid pasture]

i mean, as an example i 100% couldn't do my mario thing without having direct access to the underlying love api

which would be presumably restricted under the workshop to avoid bad actors

[foggy meadow]

im a bad actor

im soooo bad at it

[woeful crag]

well i'm sure things will be changed around if they ever make steam workshop compatibility

[woeful crag]

yooo dicey dungeons...

[vital lantern]

🎉

fonts are pain

[woeful crag]

they're fun for me at least

[vital lantern]

its just the distinctive dicey dungeons font

its thin enough for it to be annoying

[vague skiff]

good enough reference for what the art would be based off of (the art for the game is very different to what the actual cards look like)

[woeful crag]

one of my favorite cards was this mr. bones card which is surprisingly readable for letters that are literally 3x3 pixels max

4x3, not 3x3

[vital lantern]

which character from bug fables is most recognizable as a card

[vague skiff]

according to google: Vi

[woeful crag]

probably the trio

[vital lantern]

vi aint a card

lol

the only one in the trio is kabbu that has a card

[vague skiff]

i don't even know what bug fables is

[vital lantern]

its paper mario but bugs

[woeful crag]

maybe we should make paper mario a card

just him

[vital lantern]

Bug Fables ref

[woeful crag]

i've always thought of making a joker that's basically exodia where the pieces of exodia act like stone jokers but if you get all five in a row you can get like a huge hand

[peak granite]

here are some fun ones.

Masked Fool (Uncommon)
played cards have a 1 in 3 chance to add their rank to mult.

Lordly Trashcan (Uncommon)
Gain +1 mult for each card discarded.

Cornerstone (Uncommon/Rare)
Sell this joker to convert all cards in hand into gold cards.

(HSR references)

[woeful crag]

whats HSR

ooooh i forgot about buckshot roullette maybe i could turn those items into cards

[peak granite]

Honkai star rail

Good game

[opaque pilot]

Is a repo up for us to put our artwork and or code, or do we just upload the art here cause I’m gonna be soon starting to work on the 7th beat card art

[gaunt harbor]

I made a Github page but forgot to add the code

[vale pecan]

anyone put minecraft stuff in yet

[gaunt harbor]

I played around with loading files and found what I think is a clean way for people to contribute

[wet musk]

i cant look at the sheet but are there ULTRAKILL ones yet

[vale pecan]

nah

[wet musk]

can i suggest one

[vale pecan]

suggest whatever

oh shit what is the name of the shapeshifting card from inscryption

[wet musk]

J1
Earn $4 for every Blind target score overshot by double. Earn a further $6 if target score is overshot ten times over.

[gaunt harbor]

@timid pasture You brought up splitting up files for contributors, does something like this work well for that?

Seemed so much simpler to set up than I assumed

[opaque pilot]

So each person makes a GitHub branch?

[vale pecan]

Ijiraq:
Turns into the leftmost Joker when blind is selected

[timid pasture]

why not instead use a table to store the paths, and load them by iterating through it?

(also i still think that one file per joker is the best way to do it, but i seem to be in the minority there lol)

[gaunt harbor]

You should be able to do that with this setup, assuming you make a file that compiles all the separate jokers into into one.

[wet musk]

another ultrakill one:

Gutterman Shield
All 7s ignore Boss Blind powers. (can be buffed to add more numbers but keep 7s because violence)

[timid pasture]

something like

local branches = {
'itsFlowwey/itsFlowwey.lua',
'dps2004/dps2004.lua'
}
for i,v in ipairs(branches) do
  --do the nfs load thing here
end

[gaunt harbor]

Ok yeah

[timid pasture]

anyways yeah this is a good start

i suggest adding in helper functions to the main file that handle common things a mod will need to do, like adding something to the card update function, or loading a sprite

that way people don't have to write their own implementations, and prevents conflicts

[gaunt harbor]

I did put a section for API you want to use in your mod so everyone knows about it

Like can_use compatibility for jokers

That Hacking Drone and Backup Battery use

[vale pecan]

[Based on Inscryption's Bell Tentacle]:
Adds the rank of leftmost played card to Mult

[timid pasture]

nice

in that case as long as it works, you should be fine?

[gaunt harbor]

It should be aight with me

[opaque pilot]

So is this “branches” system your mentioning using GitHub’s own branching system or a unique branching system for this

[timid pasture]

yeah i was gonna metnion that

[gaunt harbor]

Uhh idk

[timid pasture]

you dont need to have branches, just have people make pull requests lol

[gaunt harbor]

I'm not super familiar with Github

[opaque pilot]

So fork it and PR the changes with our work being in our own folder?

[timid pasture]

yep

[gaunt harbor]

Yes

[opaque pilot]

Cool, I’m gonna get my fork setup so I can push my work for cross device use as I do stuff on like 3-4 separate devices (thanks school district for making it so I can’t use my own laptop on campus….)

[timid pasture]

though make sure to remind people to pull and merge from the origin frequently

[vale pecan]

Ring Worm:
Makes all packs free when skipped(too broken?)

actually

how about -1 cards in pack as well

[opaque pilot]

Will the jokers.md file be made as a global thing (everyone’s cards info is in it) or as a per branch thing (only said persons jokers are in their file)

[vale pecan]

oh wait i just thought of a better idea for ijiraq

since it doesn't entirely copy a random card unlike STATIC in game, it disguises itself as another

maybe gives a buff if disguised Ijiraq was the leftmost joker

[opaque pilot]

What’s the aspect ratio for the cards/resolution of the cards

[vale pecan]

i have 0 clue
im just the suggestor

god damit i just thought of a cooler idea for ring worm

Ring Worm:
If this Joker gets destroyed, make all packs become free when skipped

[vague skiff]

71x95 with a 1 pixel transparent border

[opaque pilot]

Question then what’s the x2 folder images for since x1 is the 71x95?

[vague skiff]

pixel smoothing setting

[opaque pilot]

So make it at 71x95 and upscale to get it for the 2x?

[vague skiff]

yeah

make sure you use the right kind of upscaling (i don't remember what its called cause the default windows photo app i use doesn't even name it)

[vale pecan]

Ant Queen:
Spawns an Ant Queen every Ant(e)
Gains (idk) mult per Ant Queen

im making a bunch of Inscryption based jokers lmao

[gaunt harbor]

https://github.com/GauntletGames-2086/Into-the-Jokerverse/tree/main Here is the Github page!

[vale pecan]

noice

[gaunt harbor]

game_ref_list can probably be loaded as it's own separate file instead of inside the main lua file but I don't have the time to write that rn

[vale pecan]

if only i knew how to make the Jokers i suggest

[gaunt harbor]

Wait it doesn't work hold on

I forgot to test LMAO

[vale pecan]

lamo

[gaunt harbor]

Also looks like jokers stop having a set position when loaded this way

I'll look into it later

[opaque pilot]

Progress update: getting along good with the 7th beat card art

It’s just the notes in the background that are killing me

[timid pasture]

oh actually about this:

here's a python script that automatically upscales all images in assets/1x/ with nearest neighbor

just put it in the same directory as the assets folder

[vague skiff]

not surprised that it exists i just kinda thought there was some reason not to do that since i haven't seen that done yet

[gaunt harbor]

So far I haven't had any issues with upscaling art.

So never thought of making a script for automation

[timid pasture]

its more for convenience

[vague skiff]

^

[outer heart]

How would one make a suggestion for a new Joker?

[foggy meadow]

🗑️

(i jest)

[peak granite]

(wrong chat, sorry!)

[obtuse rock]

if yall are merging pre existing mods into here it might be worth taking a look at
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1221871582025089154

same with
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1224185351216824411

both have some good takes on ror2 jokers

anyways
game - guilty gear, many fighters have this concept tho
Gatling - uncommon - if poker hand contains more cards than the last hand, increase this jokers mult by [1.0x]. resets at end of blind.

Example:
Hand 1: high card - [1.0x]
Hand 2: 3ok - [2.0x]
Hand 3: 2 pair - [3.0x]
Hand 4: flush - [4.0x]

[vague skiff]

sick

fighting gamer i presume?

[obtuse rock]

yup lol

was going for gatling cuz im a guilty gear player but a shit ton of other games have the same system

[vague skiff]

scored poker hand yes or no? like does high card + 4 unscored cards count as 5 or as 1?

also what do you think would be a fitting effect for bursts?

[obtuse rock]

id say 5, makes you think about playing around it more

[vague skiff]

fair

[obtuse rock]

also shit scales a decent amount so id say the difficulty of playing around it is compensated by the mult

[obtuse rock]

joker you sale to lower blind maybe??

[outer heart]

😂 I'll make a custom sprite for it and everything for ya but my idea essentially boils down to this:

Game: Deltarune (Specifically Chapter 2)
Specific Reference: Spamton / Spamton's Shop Mechanic
Joker Name: [[NumberOne]] JOKER [[1997]]
Joker Effect: Has a 1 in 4 chance to randomizes price of items in shop items (can range anywhere between $0 to $20.

[obtuse rock]

Burst - uncommon?
If sold on first hand of blind, double profits (does not include interest or joker related stuffs)
if sold on any other round decrease blind by [0.25x]

again fighting game thing

[vale pecan]

might as well bring all of my inscryption ideas here

Ring Worm:
If this Joker gets destroyed, make all packs become free when skipped

Bell Tentacle:
Adds the rank of leftmost played card to Mult

Corpse Maggots:
Can only spawn when a Joker is destroyed
+10 Mult

Amoeba:
Turns into a random Inscryption Joker when blind is selected

The Daus:
Creates 2 temporary copies of leftmost card when blind is selected

[outer heart]

and 2x ofc

[wet musk]

so to make suggestions do i have to do the whole github thing or can i just add to the sheet and make accompanying art

[gaunt harbor]

You can comment it on the sheet

[wet musk]

swaggy

time to add a ton of ultrakill references lmao

[wet musk]

hey uh

can we make tarots, planets, and spectrals?

there's some awesome potential there

i have a devious idea for a spectral

if so

[full onyx]

getting over it , if you have the joker for 20 rounds it will give 6x mult

[gaunt harbor]

You technically could

[wet musk]

yorick but even yorickier

[gaunt harbor]

The system used for having branches could support it

As long as the lua file return is something that's compatible with :register() used by steamodded it should work?

[wet musk]

i'dunno none a that i only like making concepts lol

lua nerds can probably figure that out and test for sure before i do anything regarding consumables

[foggy meadow]

þis actually tracks yeah

[outer heart]

weird b??

[vague skiff]

thorn (þ) = th sound

[full onyx]

oh yh i forgot

hmmm discards tho r easier

make it

1 mult

every 4 rounds it gets 1.5 mult

so then its like you're progressing

or that could be too op

0.5 mult

[vague skiff]

maybe include some sort of chance to fall all the way back to the start?

[full onyx]

i was just abt to say that

a 5 percent chance to go down 3 levels

1 percent chance to go to the start

or 2 percent

[wet musk]

i love how detailed my reference explanations are and then there's just Spamton G. Spamton right below it

[outer heart]

🙂

Oh yeah I edited it to make it clearer @wet musk 😂

[wet musk]

yes

i like

sorry for having so many ultrakill jokers lmao

i have more varied ones coming up later

including TF2 and Buckshot Roulette

[opaque pilot]

feedback pls on my 7thbeat card

[gaunt harbor]

This should be all 5 jokers from the Inscrybed Joker mod ported!

[wet musk]

THAT SLAPS

i love the tutorial zone background

[opaque pilot]

It was a pain to remake

[gaunt harbor]

Cooking

[wet musk]

this is making me wanna tear off a chunk of my heart and play balatro in 7/4 even though its music already is in 7/4

🔥

[opaque pilot]

thanks for the nice words, this is my first time doing pixel art

[outer heart]

They look great ♥️

Is this gonna be Steamodded or Balamod?

[gaunt harbor]

Steamodded

[wet musk]

i can probably make some pixel art of the Earthmover

[outer heart]

based 😎

[wet musk]

anyone have a joker card template i can throw into aesprite?

[gaunt harbor]

Here's the 1x version I have

[wet musk]

youre the goat thanks

[outer heart]

Hopefully the spamton j spamton sprite isn't too bad, I tried to do it based on Spamton's shop as well to eminate the vibe

[wet musk]

time to E A R T H M O V E R

[opaque pilot]

yoinking this so i dont have to remake everything every time

[wet musk]

theres so many angle references to go with, which one of these would be best looking when made into a jonkler art

[opaque pilot]

imo the one with the white background

or the yippie benjie

[wet musk]

omfg

benjabrain

[opaque pilot]

maybe this one?

[wet musk]

i think i might go black and white aesthetics with the third image's pose, with the chibi's proportions

[opaque pilot]

sounds neat

[outer heart]

imagine a diamond or netherite enhancement

[wet musk]

that would go hard

diamonds become stone cards

[outer heart]

I mean we got steel and stone already

maybe a smithing table card or something, custom tarot

increases rarity of one selected card (from stone, to steel, to diamond, to netherite)

[wet musk]

oh shit

uh

my aesprite is gone

[opaque pilot]

like uninstalled or remvoed from your steam library?

[wet musk]

i have no idea if i had a dissociative episode and uninstalled it without knowing or what but like

it gone

i paid for it damn it >:/

[opaque pilot]

Is it no longer in your steam library?

or is it just not in a shortcut

[wet musk]

i didnt get it through steam

[opaque pilot]

oh, whered ya get it through?

[wet musk]

the official site

i cant find the download email either (if there even was one, i forget)

[opaque pilot]

oh thats through humble bundle

[wet musk]

i'll figure out a solution later, me exhausted

[opaque pilot]

try signing in to humble bundle and checking in your purchased area

https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/202340394-Finding-Missing-Orders

b/c you should have gotten a steam key with it as well

[wet musk]

ok wtf either i didnt sign up with my main email that i use for literally everything else or i hallucinated the entire thing

[opaque pilot]

https://www.humblebundle.com/resender try this

worst comes to worst contact humble and send them as much info/proof of purchase as you can

[wet musk]

apparently i dont even have a humble bundle account to begin with??

????????

ok yknow what im gonna use that other pixel art app i have on my phone instead

i havent used that in literal years

[opaque pilot]

maybe try making an account with the email you think you used or contact humble support because aseps 20$ and rn 20$ is a lot of money

might just be a lot for me b/c still in school but idk

[vague skiff]

why the border? and [redacted]. i forget i have dumb visual settings on sometimes

[wet musk]

ok real quick before i add this to the sheet

Debuffed and face down cards have a 1 in 4 chance to be normal.

is this broken

[gaunt harbor]

Depends on what jokers we add that debuff or flip face down cards

[vague skiff]

not at all

[wet musk]

swag

adding it then

Lid@r System

:D

[vague skiff]

quick question flowwey for jokers you personally are coding is there any criteria i should be going for when submitting ideas? like the game should use cards in some way or needs to be some level of recognizable? i don't plan on coding any jokers i suggest myself so i wanna know whats worth suggesting

[wet musk]

i mean im including some pretty obscure games in my references later on

if only to shed them some more light

(and also bc theyre just cool af)

[vague skiff]

so true

[wet musk]

swirl w@tch is absolutely terrifying and i want more people to recognize it

hence Lid@r System

[vague skiff]

imma comment the things i already suggested on the sheet 👍

[gaunt harbor]

The only requirements for jokers I have in mind rn are requiring a tooltip saying the game this joker is based on

Rest should be free game

I guess there also the fact that the idea needs to be doable xdd

I also prefer that we have a combination of games that are well known and unknown.

[wet musk]

welp i just added a joker that's four references in one

[vague skiff]

sick

i'll try to make my suggestions be an equal amount of known and unknown

[wet musk]

same here

[wet musk]

yeah i think this is like my ultimate contribution to the mod, nothing else i make is gonna top a quadruple reference

across 3 games mind you

[gritty ether]

There is actually a Paper Mario game that involves cards (Colour Splash), so I made a card for it. I don't know what exactly the effect would be, so I'll let you guys decide!

[wet musk]

ooh i like that

lemme think of one

Battle Card Joker
+3 Mult for each suit contained in played hand.

cuz like, multicolor

[gritty ether]

great idea

i'm certifying that as the official name and stats

[vague skiff]

redownloading a game just to improve the reference....

[vital lantern]

is it possible programming-wise to make a joker that changes appearance based on the state of the effect?

like visible change between 1/7 and 7/7?

[gritty ether]

also draw 4 cards

[vague skiff]

how do i translate "2/4/6 - sorcerers repeat their attacks once every 4/3/2 attacks" into balatro other than some weird retrigger thing? current joker effect is "Jokers that gain Mult each have a 1 in 7 chance to give X4 Mult. Jokers that gain Chips-"

gain +25 chips every 3rd hand played?

i'll put it as that on the sheet comments and get back to the other stuff i was doing

[foggy meadow]

yes, Lyman did it idk how þo

[opaque pilot]

programming wise, yes. Art wise, No, im not redrawing an alt version for 7/7

I got schoolwork and finals to study for, I made this on my 45 min break

[outer heart]

brug

[vague skiff]

so true

[opaque pilot]

I blame the american schooling system

[outer heart]

college is a scam in the US I don't blame you

[vital lantern]

simply procrastinate

make your life worse but like only later

[vague skiff]

me frfr

[outer heart]

fr

[opaque pilot]

i've got other card art to work on plus I dont have any ideas for the 7/7 one (besides changing the large pulse to yellow)

besides, it activates and resets every 7th card played so its not really needed to have an alt art for activated

If someone could do the pixel art of the girl on the cover of MARENOL, i'd be happy, and code the joker for it because I cant draw people (sad)

[timid pasture]

you can have the image be a love2d canvas #⚙・modding-general message

[opaque pilot]

part of me just wants to run the original album cover through a pixel art filter and call it a day rather than scrap my idea because I cant draw the card art

[opaque pilot]

Ive ben attempting to draw it for the past 30 minutes but nothing comes out good T-T, I just cant draw people

aight i give up scrapping marenol, if anyone wants to take it over go ahead

[vague skiff]

can you send a reference?

[opaque pilot]

doing it w/ some irl peeps I know, dw

[vague skiff]

👍

i found the thingy and idk how you're supposed to turn that into a joker either, i mean one of them is doable but the other is not

[opaque pilot]

its this one if any of you were curious https://remywiki.com/images/thumb/0/03/MARENOL.png/300px-MARENOL.png

[vague skiff]

yeah the other ones that pop up are uhhh, not allowed so makes sense

[opaque pilot]

im still thinking I just wanna shove it into photoshop and turn the pixelation up and then just do the rest

[vague skiff]

sounds fine to me

[opaque pilot]

heres what I got from throwing it into photoshop

[vague skiff]

yeah thats pretty good to start. make sure you clean up the antialiasing

[opaque pilot]

ill put that next on my todo list as im working on the ADOFAI card rn

[vague skiff]

i have a dumb as fuck idea for an osu joker's art and its almost dumb enough for me to make it

this but with jimbo. image from a twitch streamer's emote

[opaque pilot]

omg thatd be hilarious

if we can integrate sounds, discards are the combo break sfx, and game over is the track failed sfx

[opaque pilot]

am I cooking so far with the ADOFAI card? (its not done yet I need to make the trails)

[vital lantern]

they look a bit blurry but idk if thats because its 1x or its like that

[opaque pilot]

their designed to be blurry, it matches the origin game art style for the orb

its a mix of colors

shades of red and blue

the orbs at least

the stars look blurry because i tried to make them dim but large'

[hollow violet]

honestly the only thing i have to say about the art so far is that

a lot of them dont have the word joker in em

[opaque pilot]

I thought we were supposed to put the origin game name instead of the word joker

[hollow violet]

were we?

i didnt know that

[gaunt harbor]

I might scrap that idea

Since the art we currently have doesn't make that look good

[hollow violet]

anyways
the stars in the background effect is neat but i think the blurry-ness isnt very fitting

[opaque pilot]

blurry of the stars or the orbs?

[hollow violet]

you could try maybe keeping it to like 1 color and then giving them a more distinct star shape?

stars

[opaque pilot]

I can just do white dots or lessen the spread

[hollow violet]

maybe both
like, the style you see on planet cards

[vague skiff]

i'm gonna try making this 👍

i grabbed the default joker base then realized i'm not using any of it...

[opaque pilot]

@vague skiff and @hollow violet this look better for the stars? (ignore the border jank i fixed that already)

also we got marenol card courtesy of my irl friend RoyalFy!

[vague skiff]

they did really good, just need to balatro-ify it now

[opaque pilot]

im on adding the boarder and text rn

plus finishing up the adofai card rn

[vague skiff]

i'm a little busy trying stuff so i might not always answer questions. they look kinda like comets imo, prob need to change the color

[opaque pilot]

tbh im tired and its late so im just gonna say its fine as is rn the red and blue planets are the main focus

fire and ice final

[vague skiff]

its 5am here...

i'll stop after i make the base of the background since you reminded me sleep is good

[opaque pilot]

marenol done!

[vague skiff]

i think you should swap the colors to balatro colors

[vague skiff]

also i have no idea how to properly translate this to 71x95 so i may or may not just unsuggest the whole card if i don't figure it out tomorrow cause i'd rather it not exist than exist with different art

[austere sage]

undertale soul joker ideas i was told to post here

Control (Red) - [benefit], but your jokers cannot be rearranged during blinds
Bravery (Orange) - [scaling benefit] if at least half of a blind requirement is gained during the final hand
Justice (Yellow) - Glass cards give x3 mult instead of x2, but have a 3/4 chance to break instead of a 1/2 chance
Kindness (Green) - Gains [scaling benefit] when a joker is bought, loses [scaling benefit] when a joker is sold (does not apply to other methods of acquiring or losing jokers, benefit cannot go into negatives)
Patience (Cyan) - Gains $1 in sell value for each hand played
Integrity (Blue) - xN mult, where N = 4 x (# hearts / deck size)
Perserverance (Purple) - Saves you from death (without being destroyed) if your current chips are at least 50% of the blind requirement, but halves the levels of all your poker hands

"benefit" and "scaling benefit" are just placeholders for chips/mult/xmult because idk what would work better lol

[vale pecan]

you could comment those in the sheet lol

[austere sage]

scaling just means it's not constant and increases over time

i'm on my phone someone else can if they want

[vale pecan]

just gotta format it so it doesn't look like a paragraph

[austere sage]

actually maybe integrity would be better if it just applied to the suit you have the most of rather than hearts specifically

also perserverance might be too good now that i think about it because of eternal jokers

i originally had it so it halves the levels of all your poker hands but idk if thats too much or too little of a drawback for its crazy benefit

[wet musk]

Bravery with J1 would go hard as fuck

i approve

[austere sage]

also maybe patience would have a stronger identity if it started off at x0.5 mult (so actually making you weaker at first) but went up +x1 for each hand, so it'd be at like x3.5 on the 4th hand

maybe thatd make it too bad though

[wet musk]

it could work?

maybe something to do with cards played instead of hands

[austere sage]

the idea was that it's trying to encourage you to wait to play your winning hand later

ie patience

but starting at x1 would probably do that on its own honestly

[wet musk]

yeah most likely

or maybe like

oh wait i know

wait no nvm thats basically what your idea is

xD

altho

patience might be filling a similar niche to Acrobat here

it feels redundant

changing it into an economy joker might make it cool

[austere sage]

true actually

something to combat the loss of money from wasting hands

[wet musk]

maybe... gains sell value per hand played??

uber patience go

[austere sage]

maybe yeah

cause then youre not only being patient with your hands but youre also being patient in selling it

that actually works really well

[wet musk]

also what i meant by this statement is: imagine this with bravery

since youre encouraged to ULTRAKILL your opponent ten times over

that with bravery would go so hard

[austere sage]

that's cool actually

[austere sage]

i wonder if gaining $3 in sell value for every 2 hands played would be a good sweet spot

that's basically $1.5 per hand

so like an extra half dollar of compensation for not getting interest-able money

[wet musk]

that sounds about right

better make it uncommon so as to not usurp egg tho

[austere sage]

but then again being able to play more hands without losing out on the hand cash is already a pretty good benefit so idk

[wet musk]

hmm

maybe...

make it give money at the end of the round, but lose a dollar for each remaining hand left

wwait thats

dumb

no

lmao

uh

damn we're at a loss here huh

[austere sage]

i think sell value works better for the theme

[wet musk]

yeah true

[austere sage]

$1 per hand played is probably fine

[wet musk]

it could debuff itself if you win in one hand

/j

[wet musk]

hey guys lets give some cool shit to jacks

"face cards are debuffed"

wdym? that jack is clearly a 6

"if played hand is a single 6, destroy it and create a random spectral card"

that jack is clearly a 6, let's nuke it

[vale pecan]

Jackth Sense S tier

[woeful crag]

i've finally made all of the cards

neon white is pretty cool...

[vague skiff]

so true

i need to play it again

i got all aces and a few reds on console but i kinda wanna go for all reds on pc

i remember i accidentally got a red on some level before i knew they existed cause i knew like 1 more skip than the dev

[austere sage]

i commented all the undertale jokers

i can do the art if they get added

[gritty ether]

am I allowed to comment this idea?

[vague skiff]

yeah why not

[gritty ether]

hell yea

[opaque pilot]

is there a good beginners guide for modding balatro since ive never touched lua code before in my life

[vague skiff]

heres this btw. i didn't work on it at all cause i got distracted but everytime i go past it in my folder i think it looks fine smaller

just don't look close and its fine 👍

[timid pasture]

here's a whirlwind tour of the language that i point people to https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/lua/

[outer heart]

Oh yeah dumb suggestion but a pack where you can get the Jonkerverse Jonklers called like the Buffooniverse Pack would be fun

[wet musk]

that's good

[outer heart]

Buffooniverse 😂

[opaque pilot]

So I wrote the code in the fork I made from the central mod setup but it isn’t loading in game, steamodded shows zero mods loaded

[full onyx]

knew it

those cards are amazing

[outer heart]

🤔do you have a steamodded header?

[opaque pilot]

yea, its in the file

[gaunt harbor]

When I had downloaded from the fork it did seem to load (with a ton of syntax errors)

[outer heart]

did you git clone the fork?

or did you download code

[opaque pilot]

may I see what the errors are? also its my first time ever writing lua lol

[gaunt harbor]

Looked like improper assigning of variables

Missing an = iirc

[opaque pilot]

in which line?

[gaunt harbor]

1

Looking at the file rn

oh yeeeaah

ok

[opaque pilot]

the branch one or the VGRMod-main one

[gaunt harbor]

These need to be jokers_def = { and Joker_Info = {

[gaunt harbor]

Your branch

[outer heart]

wait is there a github?

[gaunt harbor]

Yes

I did post my branch but the message wasn't pinned

Couldn't figure out how to xdd

[outer heart]

i see

can you link it again?

[gaunt harbor]

https://github.com/GauntletGames-2086/Into-the-Jokerverse

[opaque pilot]

okay now I get bad argument #1 to ipairs [table expected, got nill]

[gaunt harbor]

Pretty sure this should be local not let

[opaque pilot]

yea I fixed that, I got so used to JS

still throws that bad argument error tho

[gaunt harbor]

Is the error from LOAD_LOC

[opaque pilot]

yep

[gaunt harbor]

The order of the stuff in the SMODS.Joker:new() could still be incorrect

In the github it puts sprite_pos data into the loc_def slot

And config data into sprite_pos slot

[opaque pilot]

yep, but now it errors at attempted to index atlas (nil value)

I swapped and fixed the lines

[gaunt harbor]

VGRMOD_Jokers isn't a valid atlas

[opaque pilot]

i may be stupid

I forgot to even add the atlas 💀

[vague skiff]

hey chat is this like even 1% recognizable if you like really stretch your brain and also guess?

[gaunt harbor]

The one I use is VGRMod_Jokers (not like you should be using someone else's atlas anyways)

[opaque pilot]

if I just want one img per card, could I just bypass using the atlas?

[outer heart]

I think so yeah

[opaque pilot]

yay img loads, now to fix on every ERROR card played, this card gains ERORR chips

fixed it, it was the ##

okay, now when starting a blind, it throws attempt to compare nil with a number

[vague skiff]

can i get up to 5 guesses on what this is supposed to be? its an outline

[gaunt harbor]

fishie...

[outer heart]

starwalker deltarune

[opaque pilot]

bruh now I apparently cant add to zero

like what

[vague skiff]

god thats a good guess but no

[outer heart]

can you give me a hint

[opaque pilot]

oh im stupid, lua starts from 1

like WHY, every other language starts at 0

[vague skiff]

its meant to be an icon

[outer heart]

hmmm

idk freddy fazbear

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-bars-gif-22121369

[opaque pilot]

its some clown I vaugely recognize the outline

[vague skiff]

ok cool within 4 guesses you got that its vaguely a clown thats good enough for me

its supposed to be like the jimbo on riff raff

[outer heart]

ah i see

not freddy five bear?

[vague skiff]

not freddy five bear...

[opaque pilot]

bruh I changed the 0 to a 1 and it still says its a nill value

[vague skiff]

i don't like fnaf enough to try making one, but it'd probably just be freddy's eyes in the darkness if i did

also if you have any idea for a better tiny icon to represent balatro tell me

[gaunt harbor]

There's the jimbo seal on Baseball Card

Slightly bigger iirc

[opaque pilot]

Okay, so I pushed the mostly fixed code to my repo, now Its just calling seventally a nil value even though its set

[vague skiff]

oh yeah thats just the same as the riff raff one i'm basing this on

i refuse to make it bigger for no good reason

[opaque pilot]

can someone who knows lua well tell me why the math with the seventally variable isnt working?

https://github.com/JoshDoesStuff/IntoTheJokerverse-Joshs-DLC

its declared, its not set to zero/nil, but when trying to do math with it it claims its a nil value

crash img if that helps

[outer heart]

did you assign seventally a value

[opaque pilot]

yea,

heres the whole bit if it helps

function Joker_Info.seventh_beat.loc_def(center)
    if center.ability.name == 'On The 7th Beat' then
        return {center.ability.extra.curr_chips, center. ability.extra.chips_add}
    end
end

function Joker_Info.seventh_beat.tooltip(card, info_queue)
    info_queue[#info_queue+1] = {set = 'Other', key = 'rd_ref'}
end


Joker_Info.seventh_beat.calculate = function(self, context, seventally)
    if seventally == 8 then
        
        seventally = 1

        self.ability.extra.chips = self.ability.extra.chips + self.ability.extra.chip_mod
        
        return {
            extra = {focus = self, message = localize('k_upgrade_ex')},
            card = self,
            colour = G.C.CHIPS
        } 
    else

        seventally = (seventally + 1)

    end

end

[outer heart]

try doing local seventally

rather then just seventally=1

you need to reference it into Lua code so that it's a local variable that can be called on by other objects, if you don't it's just looking for something that doesn't exist

[opaque pilot]

nope, still errors

[outer heart]

can you send me the whole lua file?

so I can check out the code and see which line is 65, because whatever you're referencing on that line is making it nil

🤔

[opaque pilot]

its in the repo I linked above lol

[outer heart]

Weird 🤔

it's specifically referencing the

if seventally < 7 then as being nil I believe on github

[opaque pilot]

hmm, for me its seventally = (seventally + 1)

i think its any math operation with seventally

[vague skiff]

i am very very slowly updating this. maybe going to make the bottom text box longer

[gaunt harbor]

What if you made seventally a variable inside the card's config?

[opaque pilot]

so, I made a change in not passing seventally in to the function, so instead of
Joker_Info.seventh_beat.calculate = function(self, context, seventally)

its now
Joker_Info.seventh_beat.calculate = function(self, context)

but now when scoring any hand that isnt a high card causes this error

let me pull it up rq

actually any card count above 1 crashes it, even if you play a second high card

[gaunt harbor]

674 is a vary familiar error line

one sec

You probably need to exclude context.repetition

[opaque pilot]

hmm, I dont have context.repetition in my code, do I just add

exclude context.repetition?

[gaunt harbor]

Add and not context.repetition to the first if statement

[opaque pilot]

it now doesnt crash, but it doesnt tally for some reason

and by no tally theres no upgrade

so by proxy its useless. The upgrade does trigger once every maybe 7 hands (not sure if thats the trigger) but it doesnt actually add the chips for some reason

idk if thats the actual trigger it just shows "upgrade" occasionally

not when it should

(every 7th scored card)

[gaunt harbor]

From what I see that's because there isn't a specific context

so it's triggering on every calculate_joker call except for repetition

Probably would do something like if context.individual and context.cardarea == G.play

[opaque pilot]

okay. Now, it still shows the blue square under it when interacting with a two, and when it triggers upgrade, it gives this

plus it still isnt every 7th card played, idk when its triggering

[umbral timber]

idea for a LIVE A LIVE joker: odious joker
upon pickup, it's a card depicting 0D-10 from the far future, with the description "It would be in your best interests to stop. These cards are my domain, and I their master."
each round, it transforms randomly into any of odio's forms throughout time periods, each with different effects

[wet musk]

that would be cool

[tame fjord]

hi chat

am i too late to the party

[wet musk]

nope

[tame fjord]

great

how do i get in on this

[wet musk]

theres a sheet earlier in the thread

[near phoenix]

I also want to contribute :>

[tame fjord]

yeah im on the sheet right now

[wet musk]

just comment on it with your ideas and most likely the team'll cook something up with it

[near phoenix]

Okay

[wet musk]

make sure its balanced tho

[mystic vale]

Hey

[wet musk]

and talk abt ideas here if possible

[tame fjord]

im boutta persona all over this bitch

[mystic vale]

I have ideas im interested in

Can i have acsess

[wet musk]

on that note i want to offer an idea if yall wanna hear me out

[wet musk]

its public access comment only

[mystic vale]

Also does someone have a tutorial for how to code in this language?

[near phoenix]

Sure

[mystic vale]

Ok

[near phoenix]

Idk

[tame fjord]

https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/lua/

[mystic vale]

Thank you

[tame fjord]

anyway i was wondering if it's possible to make more jokers with the conditions that glass joker and co. have

where you need e certain enhancement to get them to show up

[wet musk]

Salvo (References the weapon of the same name from Nova Drift)
Stockpiles +4 Mult every round. Upon selling this Joker, add all stockpiled Mult to this hand's base score.

get this early on

get to final boss

have fun with your tactical nuke

[near phoenix]

Fr

[tame fjord]

surely it is right

[wet musk]

it might be

we gotta ask the big brain people

[near phoenix]

Now i have the idea

[wet musk]

does this seem fun

[tame fjord]

no

you spend a whole joker slot which could be used for other things on this and its just not that good

unless you get it early and don't skip very much

if you get it mid to late game then it's not gonna be worth taking

[wet musk]

would increasing the stockpile rate per round help

like to +5

[tame fjord]

that is something that is only visible in practice

[near phoenix]

Steve (Minecraft reference)

Destroy stone cards, +(balanced number) or either chips or mult (you can decide as i am not good at deciding) for every stone card destroyed that way

[wet musk]

the idea of a super mega death bomb that you keep in your back pocket is hilarious to me

[wet musk]

oh that SLAPS

[near phoenix]

Ikr?

[wet musk]

marble joker go hard

stone cards actually kinda good

[tame fjord]

what if it just removes the stone enhancement and gives the card a random seal

imitating ores you'd find in the stone

[near phoenix]

Fr

[wet musk]

oooo

sounds yummy

[near phoenix]

Hold on i might make some art for this once i get on my pc

[tame fjord]

steve is very easy to make art of

[near phoenix]

Yeah

[tame fjord]

i'm not really good with art stuff my only experience is in pixelating images and getting them to look halfway decent

how do yall feel about that approach

[near phoenix]

I tried pixel art once

[near phoenix]

Seems okay

[wet musk]

another nova drift thing

Reconstitution
Aces and 2s are considered the same rank

[tame fjord]

anyway persona brainstorming time
i wanna get the mcs from 3/4/5 and maybe one or two characters from each individual game

[wet musk]

Joker Joker

[tame fjord]

does anyone have any favourites

[wet musk]

c a t

[tame fjord]

no

unless it's morgana's rotting corpse i'm sure as hell not doing it

[wet musk]

lmao ok

[tame fjord]

that thing can burn in every circle of hell

[wet musk]

would this be too broken do yall think

[tame fjord]

uhh

if it's a rare or uncommon then i think it's alright

[wet musk]

uncommon likely

[tame fjord]

the existance of scholar and wee joker do scare me with that

uncommon should be fine

[wet musk]

K Q J 10 2 royal flush would be so cursed

[tame fjord]

ah yes my favourite royal flush
2 K J 10

shortcut four fingers reconstitution

[wet musk]

[tame fjord]

so i should use comments to "claim" idea spots on the sheet

is there any other stipulation i should worry about

[wet musk]

i think you should be ok

actually thinking about it now Reconstitution could have a better name that's more accurate to another nova drift mechanic - the ability to cross from one side of the screen to the other seamlessly, so i'm probably calling it Warp Strike

[tame fjord]

im gonna finalise some ideas before i claim anything

[wet musk]

makes sense

[near phoenix]

Ok

[tame fjord]

resisting the urge to call the joker joker jjookkeerr

okay but fr what would i call it

joker joker doesnt seem very intuitive

and more people know him as joker over his actual canon name

well anyway

[near phoenix]

Batman

(Rimshot goes here)

Other idea:

Handsaw (Buckshot Roulette)
Last hand has X2 mult

(It's because handsaw doubles the damage in said game)

[tame fjord]

but that is just

acrobat

[near phoenix]

Oh

[tame fjord]

acrobat gives 3x mult on final hand of round

[near phoenix]

Didn't pay attention to it lol mb

[tame fjord]

i almost said thats a canon joker

i meant to say thats a vanilla joker

[near phoenix]

Yeah

Ay but i have an wilder joker idea form the same game

Double or nothing (Buckshot once again)
Doubles base ante prize
Doubles the income from antes

It can't be common for certain imo

[wet musk]

actuaally

[tame fjord]

magnifying glass buckshot roulette
when you sell it it will tell you what boss comes after the next boss

[wet musk]

Expired Medicine (Buckshot Roulette)
X2 Mult or X0.5 Mult

[near phoenix]

Yooo nice

[near phoenix]

Well i heard someone made the idea before but nice

Brb

[tame fjord]

oh yeah guilty gear exists

[wet musk]

what do we think

Warp Strike

i chose spades and diamonds because theyre listed at the top and bottom respectively

[peak jacinth]

might as well share this thing i made a while ago, i think he fits the theme nicely

[wet musk]

OOOO

love the joker text being portaled

[peak jacinth]

oh god i just realised the bottom K is wrong

fixed it

[wet musk]

lovely

[near phoenix]

yoooo, nice

[wet musk]

coff

[tired kayak]

I could work on the Dungeons and Degenerate Joker

[molten solar]

hehe portal

[wet musk]

JESUS

[fervent rock]

I dunno if a card with an effect like this exists already but it would be cool if there was a Yo-Kai Watch themed card that “inspirits” a random card in hand each turn, and that card when scored earns X3 mult

Of course the exact effect of the ability could be changed for balancing

[true whale]

crazy inscryption stuffs

me like

[molten solar]

yeah thats uhh

thats a lot

[fervent rock]

Fair enough, that’s probably hard to program in

[mystic vale]

I had an idea for one

Earthbound- gain +0.4 mult for each consecutive full house

[woeful crag]

thats awesome

[fervent rock]

Niiice

[opaque pilot]

Necroing this to say im still actively working on my couple of cards, got 5 completely finished, and 15+ still in the works!

[mint bramble]

thread join message

[gaunt harbor]

Wanna revive this someday but I'd have to rethink how this would be managed.

And I only really have a week or two before I have to deal with finals

[gaunt harbor]

(no this is not an april fools joke)

[peak jacinth]

maybe you could try something like what is in reshuffled (with a google form and sheet to get and keep track of submissions)

idk if there is automation for that but it could really help with it automatically filling the sheets with submissions while you work on something else

[jagged warren]

COGMIND IS IN THERE

PEAK

[gaunt harbor]

How we feeling about a ConsumableType based on plants?

The SV seeds jokers are a bit much for a joker effect but an enhancement would be neat.

Expands this past jokers so we can shove more refrences in.

Like we can have each of them as an "X seeds" consumable which would also let me sneak Core Keeper and a couple farming sims in.

Also opens the idea for other kinds of cards other than Jokers, which would make suggestions easier.

[tame fjord]

there is no automation

I manually place submissions on the sheets from the google form

the form submissions for art do work really well though

and it's probably the best option for organising art submissions

[gaunt harbor]

yeah that's what I last remember integrating a google form into a sheet

[tame fjord]

well what do they do that makes them different from other consumables

maybe they have some kind of counter and activate an effect after their condition procs a certain number of times

like X5 mult every 5th hand as a basic example

emulating "growing" a plant and reaping the benefits

[gaunt harbor]

I was thinking growth, but in a different manner

Something like this.

[peak jacinth]

oh that sucks

[tame fjord]

yeah it's a damn nightmare

thats why i have a team of 4 people doing different sections

[peak jacinth]

very fair when you think about it

[tame fjord]

i don't understand this

wait, enhancements?

thought they were onsumables

[gaunt harbor]

Yeah forgot to clarify.

But I thought it would be easier to approach "consumable type based on plants" if they apply some status onto a card.

[gaunt harbor]

Only really indicated here

Scatterbrained rn cause Silksong got announced

[tame fjord]

yeah silksong is real

[gaunt harbor]

The consumable would be the seed bags that then apply something (likely an enhancement) to cards.

[tame fjord]

the enhancements could perhaps give negative benefits when played for X charges until they bloom and become really good

lots of opportunities

[gaunt harbor]

It'll be a bit before I have this fully set to, so for now be my guest and leave suggestions for jokers, consumables, and any other card type here.

The only real submission "rules" is
1: I don't want too many suggestions of the same card type from the same game (to avoid crowding out other cards).
2: although I'm fine with cards being more powerful than vanilla this still isn't Cryptid so nothing extremely unbalanced.