A collection of personal QoL mods I'm creating, compiling, and releasing on my birthday. (Monday, April 8th, 2024)
[EDIT] Now on GitHub!
[EDIT 2] Now with changelog!
#NumBalatro
thick mesa
What I have so far:
- Planned
- The Order: x3 -> x4?
- Crazy Joker: +10 mult -> +24 mult
- Devious Joker: +100 chips -> +200 chips
- Séance: Now also grants X0.5 mult per Spectral card used this run.
- Implemented
- Black Deck: "-1 hands per round" replaced with "Start with the Hieroglyph voucher."
- Superposition: Now also allows straights to loop around from high to low.
- Saturn: +2 mult -> +3 mult
- Neptune: +3 mult -> +4 mult
- [NEW] Magic Number: Played 3 cards will either grant +33 chips, +3 mult or x1.33 mult when scored.
- [NEW] Punch Clock: Played 9 and 5 cards grant +40 chips when scored.
@misty zenith sorry to ping you again, just want to keep you in the loop
thick mesa
fair; maybe x3 or x4... but i want straights to be really rewarding for how hard they are to build
sick bone
straights aren't hard to get though
thick mesa
it's the hardest deck type to build around is what i'm saying
especially without joker support
sick bone
four fingers / shortcut makes building around them trivial though
thick mesa
yeah, straight support jokers typically make straights less strict, rather than making them stronger
my point is:
- flush builds may not scale well, but all you have to do is "see suit, take card." additional note that leaning into this also makes at least one hand type in the following categories stronger, because a hand that is both flush and that specific hand type has an even stronger multiplier. the only downside is that you are sometimes completely screwed by finding the wrong one of four boss blinds that debuffs the suit you're building.
- x of a kind builds (including pair and high card) are slightly harder, but there's a lot of ways to make sure your deck is all one rank. after that, it's all about playing the number of cards that gives you the strongest hand. (flush five is the single strongest hand type in the game, and five of a kind is third.)
- two pair and full house are both slightly harder than that because you need to stack your deck for two separate ranks, but can lean into some pair / three of a kind support. (flush house is the second strongest hand type in the game.)
- straight is the hardest deck type to build for, because there aren't a lot of options for it. four fingers and shortcut exist, sure... but that's two jokers out of... 150...? and if you don't find either of them, you might just brick because you didn't find the one rank you needed to get your straight. (straight flush is the strongest "normal" poker hand in the game.)
it may not need "x5" help, but... it needs a little more, i think. the other "score if contains a straight" jokers DEFINITELY need the help i have planned.
i might also throw in a "half joker" type custom joker that helps straights out, if i can figure out a theming.
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this gives straight builds a luxury that flush builds have: a huge mult bonus.
that may be enough for me to cancel the Crazy Joker buff
i don't even mind that high card could make use of this with splash, because that's actually a cool synergy!
shadow trench
my point is:
- flush builds may not scale well, but all you have to do is "see s...
Re: Straights you also need one or both of those jokers to enable consistently playing the hand, before any improvements of how many chips or mult it gives you
Meaning to consistently pull it off you almost need to forfeit a joker slot to one of those, further narrowing your space for numerical bonuses compared to almost every other hand in the game
High cards, pairs, Three of a kinds get a direct benefit from half joker, flushes can be made easier without dedicating a joker at all by using tarot cards, especially the lovers, smear joker benefits more than just flushes by also easier to trigger suit specific cards, but shortcut only benefits straights and only in the sense of making them easier to do
It's both one of the hardest to pull off consistently and has multiple cards that effectively act as crutches for it that don't give it a numerical benefit on their own
Plus, several of the possible straights involve face cards making it even more hostile towards ride the bus
It's just a rough hand
shadow trench
yeah, straight support jokers typically make straights less strict, rather than ...
Also sorry some of what I said is redundant considering this but you get what I mean
misty zenith
What I have so far:
- Planned
- The Order: x3 -> x4?
- Crazy Joker: +10 mult -...
thanks for the ping, i appreciate it!
thick mesa
putting the updated version of this design here; tentative idea for what this does is something akin to the mask, but for 3's
where any 3 would gain a random enhancement just before being scored.
fresh wharf
What I have so far:
- Planned
- The Order: x3 -> x4?
- Crazy Joker: +10 mult -...
Finally straights might be playable
All of these points were taken into account during the first demo where saturn was buffed to +30 chips and +3 mult. I was shocked straights were reverted so quickly in the main game
the last demo had four fingers, seance, and shorcut in the 45 joker pool so straights and straight flushes were overrepresented. That's why i think saturn and neptune got the hammer
but thats not relevent here im just happy straights are getting some much needed support
thick mesa
but thats not relevent here im just happy straights are getting some much needed...
yeah man, i just want people to be rewarded for how hard a straight deck is to stack
make them less reliant on the slim chance of getting 1 of 2 jokers out of the 150 in the game, plus however many you have modded.
fresh wharf
if you are taking requests it would be great if the neptune could be returned to what it once was (+40chips +4 mult)
olive plaza
these are really nice changes, good job
thick mesa
if you are taking requests it would be great if the neptune could be returned to...
you got it
fresh wharf
thanks looking forwards to the release
olive plaza
would appreciate if you checked these tag balance changes i put in modding suggestions a while ago #1210670452716994600 message and added any you like/feel are necessary
thick mesa
would appreciate if you checked these tag balance changes i put in modding sugge...
here's what i think works:
Uncommon Tag: The next Joker to spawn in the shop will be Uncommon and 25% off. (Does not stack with Clearance Sale.)
Rare Tag: The next Joker to spawn in the shop will be Rare and 50% off. (Does not stack with Clearance Sale or Liquidation.)
Foil Tag: Also gain $1 immediately.
Holo Tag: Also gain $2 immediately.
Polychrome Tag: Also gain $3 immediately.
Negative Tag: Also gain $3 immediately.
Boss Tag: Gain a one-time free use of the "Reroll Boss" button.
Satellite Tag: Your most played hand gains 2 levels.
Orbital Tag: Unchanged.
Handy Tag: Gain $1 per unused hand.
Clumsy Tag: Gain $1 per used hand.
Hoarder Tag: Gain $1 per unused discard.
Garbage Tag: Gain $1 per used discard.
Juggler Tag: Grants +3 hand size for the next 3 rounds; counting skips.
D6 Tag: Grants one free reroll for the next shop, which also generates new Booster Packs. (Might also give this to Chaos the Clown)
i will happily explain my reasoning for any.
olive plaza
i'll look the through again tomorrow when i'm not so tired
olive plaza
changed my mind and looked through now. i like the additions you've made aside from orbital remaining unchanged and hoarder tag being a thing
pretty sure i've used orbital tags less than i've used The Soul spectral
also less than Black Hole
thick mesa
yeah, but i'm just keeping it there for that crazy "mid run pivot" factor
like, nothing you're playing really works, so you just go all in on whatever orbital gives you to try and stay in the game
orbital tag being a situational "hail mary" isn't bad
and "hoarder" is also something that's situationally useful
olive plaza
like, nothing you're playing really works, so you just go all in on whatever orb...
i've never had that happen tbh. maybe increase it by 1?
thick mesa
i made clumsy and hoarder for those fringe cases where you're playing around "unused discard" cards
and clumsy also pairs well with burglar
i agree that handy and garbage make sense the other way around, for thematic reasons
but there are situations where you want it the way they are now
like, if you have banner or hourglass
or you're trying to upgrade a specific hand type with burned joker
runs that reward you for the suboptimal way of play
i don't want every tag to be worth considering all the time
that's not the point of the game, tbh.
even in red stake, where you get no money for a small blind
olive plaza
i don't want every tag to be worth considering all the time
fair enough
thick mesa
your standard for skippage is lower there, but... how do you make things like buffoon or top-up worth considering when you have full jokers?
olive plaza
my main problem with some of the tags is that they're not good enough at the point in the game they're supposed to be used, like top up is an early game tag and its often decent for that purpose, but orbital has never been worth it for me mid game when going to a shop after the blind gives me multiple hail mary chances, or garbage (now hoarder) not being very good late game since it scales by up to 3 each blind by default meanwhile handy scales by 4 and economy tag doesn't even really need to scale
most times i have a lot of unused discards its because i'm scaling green joker, which again means the tag for hands used is better and more importantly my guaranteed scaling is often better than either choice
thick mesa
yeah, there is an issue where skipping feels superfluous because it's very rare that the skip is worth the opportunity cost of playing the hand; but... i also feel like that's kinda the point...?
i did add the sort of tags that will reward playing "optimally"
but i think skips are mostly supposed to be used when your run is in trouble and you're not getting what you need from shops
misty zenith
i skip a lot more than i should honestly, it's probably why a lot of my non-nuts runs flounder
olive plaza
but i think skips are mostly supposed to be used when your run is in trouble and...
we have different ideas of what skips should be for, which is fine
i will say i think speed tag and throwback suggest they're supposed to be used multiple times in a run
could definitely be fixed the other way tho by making throwback scale faster and either speed giving more money or a secondary effect
actually i think maybe it'd be better for them to just scale based on tags gained instead of blinds skipped, would make both insane on anaglyph deck which i feel they should be
thick mesa
i will say i think speed tag and throwback suggest they're supposed to be used m...
that's the thing; different jokers reward different styles of play. like i said: hourglass (delayed gratification) and banner reward for unused discards, but mystic summit rewards burning your discards early. in similar veins, card sharp incentivizes you to focus on a singular hand type, while jokers like the duo allow for synergy with multiple hand types (pair, x of a kind, two pair, full house)... and jokers like hiker and 8 ball actually don't mind low scoring hands, because it lets you farm resources and scale.
so if different jokers reward different styles of play, why shouldn't different tags reward different styles of play?
while you think about the answer to that question, i'm gonna go pass out x.x
olive plaza
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olive plaza
that's the thing; different jokers reward different styles of play. like i said:...
i think some are rewarded way too much compared to others. tags and throwback aren't good enough to survive most times whereas green joker banner gets you through like 3 antes, and burglar mystic summit can carry you a similar portion of the way as long as you have any chips
multiple play styles is good but personally if one playstyle is so much worse that it has a higher chance to be detrimental than it does to benefit in the best circumstances then i'll never go for it
the same way straights are playable skips are usable, but why would i do either when i can play flush/high card/pair/full house and scale my supernova/green joker/square joker/spare trousers/wee joker/madness/campfire/flash card/bull/bootstraps
olive plaza
my point is:
- flush builds may not scale well, but all you have to do is "see s...
the same way you describe straights is how i'd describe tags, theres 1 joker out of 150 and every other build almost always prefers to play the blind instead of skipping
you brick orbital and buffoon when you have full slots and your choices are 0.5x mult on throwback or everything else in the game
olive plaza
skipping often is not so much a playstyle, its more like a mistake
thick mesa
well, with the benefits a shop usually grants you... more often than not, skipping often does end up coming back to bite you
i'm not saying there couldn't be more jokers oriented around skipping to make it better as a playstyle.
and i'm willing to add them.
the build i'm throwing out tomorrow won't have these changes implemented, obviously; but they are in the plan i have
thick mesa
ugh, finally...
thick mesa
as promised, here's the first version of the mod. have fun, and please ping me if you find a bug!
thick mesa
[WIP/Concepting/Early Alpha] NumBalatro
austere torrent
happy birthday
thick mesa
while i'm thinking about it...
thoughts on an idea i had for four fingers, where it would score the fifth card in the hand regardless of fitting in the straight?
sorta like an innate splash. not that good, but could be useful i think.
thick mesa
+8 mult / +50 chips per unique pair in scoring hand
+16 mult / +160 chips if scored hand contains 4 of a kind; +4 mult / +40 chips if contains 5 of a kind
+12 mult / +120 chips if hand contains 3 of a kind; +3 mult / 30 chips per additional unique rank
gilded olive
the same way you describe straights is how i'd describe tags, theres 1 joker out...
It’s a bit of a nitpick, but I think rebalancing and quality-of-life are different things.
I don’t have much to say about the changes themselves since, while I have my own thoughts about changes I’d make, this is your mod, for your personal changes.
Regarding Tags, I agree with the thought they’re playable in the same sense that Straights are playable, but overall too weak. Their greatest crime, in my opinion though, is that by skipping you play less of the game. There’s some interesting tension to be had between choosing to scale a Joker or taking a Tag, but they’re mostly not worth the hassle, so in the end that tension fails to be interesting to me. At the same time, rewarding the player for not taking a challenge is counterintuitive, and ultimately if Tags were too good that would be an issue.
Those thoughts lead me to consider an alternative to the Skip mechanic, which I can share if you’re interested, but otherwise those are my two $ about it.
olive plaza
not my mod 👍idk if you meant to reply to me with that but yeah not mine
gilded olive
not my mod 👍idk if you meant to reply to me with that but yeah not mine
You were talking about Tags and made balance suggestions regarding them so I thought you could be interested
olive plaza
i am interested yeah just like wanna be clear
thick mesa
honestly, i think the best way to make tags more appealing would be to completely change the game...
reducing the ante scaling, and increasing the finisher blind ante to compensate
so instead of needing to go up to ante 8, you have until ante 10 to scale up to the same level
have endless scale identically to how it does now, regardless of whether it starts at ante 11/10 or ante 9/8
thick mesa
and what's more, having the finisher blinds being a secret "fourth" blind every 10 antes instead of replacing a regular ante boss would also be nice; especially if you could see the finisher blind before you left the shop.
i always liked that about the demo
where viridian would spawn as ante 6/5
thick mesa
here it is!
thick mesa
just made this, intending it to be a scaling full house joker.
i call it, "Brick by Brick"
thick mesa
did some small tweaks and made a 2x zoom version
thick mesa
aight, who here is available to give opinions on these joker adjustments?
@olive plaza thoughts?
olive plaza
yoooooo i was thought of for joker adjustments, awesome
thick mesa
wording for square joker is kinda scuffed i think, but i hope it conveys the basic idea
olive plaza
sorry for being late though i'm playing balatro. i like all of these, i'm not sure square joker needed such a large buff but its fun and fits with the joker
thick mesa
yeah, that's fair. i think it just kinda takes too long to scale
and if you don't do it by 4's
why not do it by perfect squares?
makes a lot more sense than how it was adjusted on live
olive plaza
i hate how it is now in base game
thick mesa
ye
worse early, barely better late, not thematic at all
i like how i made it scale by 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81, 100, 121, 144, 169...
it's better scaling than live after the third 4-card hand played
hits the same chip count as release after the fifth
and then just scales like crazy from there
might make it rare, just so i can make it cost 9, and sell for 4
just for the theming
so if i can make it a good rare joker at the same time, then it's worth that hefty price tag
olive plaza
based
thick mesa
yep
you like what i did with the "x of a kind" jokers btw?
trying to make them focused on hands with their own number, instead of just "oh stack us together for a shit-ton of free chips/mult!"
the idea is to only consider stacking wacky and jolly if you're playing full house
and each one has synergy with other jokers now
fading thorn
aight, who here is available to give opinions on these joker adjustments?
I love the Superposition square Joker
thick mesa
yeah, i wanted to make superposition into a "makes straights more possible" kind of joker
fading thorn
yeah, i wanted to make superposition into a "makes straights more possible" kind...
I like the changes, straights needs more love
fading thorn
I have a question
thick mesa
what's up?
fading thorn
What about the clever and mad jokers not being 2 pairs?
thick mesa
i reverted them to four of a kind
like they were on release
because wry and jolly work for pair AND two pair now
because if you're playing two pair
how many unique pairs are in your hand?
olive plaza
you like what i did with the "x of a kind" jokers btw?
yeah but they seem a little wordy, other than it being wordy its so perfect i don't know why they aren't like that base game
thick mesa
that frees up mad and clever to be for four of a kind once more
thick mesa
yeah but they seem a little wordy, other than it being wordy its so perfect i do...
bc i think they're afraid of making dual-effect jokers
olive plaza
cowards
fading thorn
yeah but they seem a little wordy, other than it being wordy its so perfect i do...
Maybe:
+42 if played hand contains three of a kind
+105 chips if hand is exactly a Three of a kind
olive plaza
i think it'd be funny if vampire removed debuffs too, highly unnecessary and niche but a one off situation it counters certain blinds
fading thorn
aight, who here is available to give opinions on these joker adjustments?
Oh wait, wily Joker gonna give me the extra chips if i play Hight card but choose other 2 random cards?
thick mesa
i mean, i guess?
but you don't get max value
crazy half joker synergy tho
wait, actually
it's a when scored trigger (which i should clarify in wording)
so basically, if you play a perfect 3OAK
you get an extra 63 chips, plus retriggers
extra reward for fully leaning into 3OAK
same deal with clever and 4OAK
fading thorn
Oh, now i love more these changes
thick mesa
mhm!
fading thorn
I like that they are basically their own archetype.
thick mesa
mhm
that's what i wanted to do with them
i kinda want to make the duo and the trio check specific hands instead of using the same contains logic
so:
duo = x2 mult if hand is pair, two pair, or full house.
trio = x3 mult if hand is three of a kind, or full house.
family can stay x4 for contains four of a kind
idk, i don't like the whole "XOAK stacking" build
kinda just feels boring
gilded olive
I think it’s fine if common Jokers work like that in the base game, although I’d like to see more Jokers encourage specific hands
fading thorn
Because if You have the deck manipulation to have 3oak reliable then nothing is stopping You from going directly to Full house or 4oak
gilded olive
i like how i made it scale by 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81, 100, 121, 144, 16...
Quadratic scaling is stronger than existing forms of scaling AFAIK
fading thorn
How do you feel about the marble joker? @thick mesa
thick mesa
Quadratic scaling is stronger than existing forms of scaling AFAIK
that's the idea
most expensive joker in the game, and the strongest scaling
thick mesa
How do you feel about the marble joker? <@149384465548967936>
if anything, i think it should add the stone card to the HAND instead of the deck, similarly to certificate
fading thorn
Or maybe transform a card in your hand into stone?
viscid briar
Certificate just adds it despite going over your hand size
olive plaza
was just about to say "otherwise it'd be goodbye hologram synergy"
real gamers use it for the blue joker synergy
thick mesa
yeah; literally, how this joker works. except they become stone instead of gaining a random seal
@fading thorn understanding the idea now?
viscid briar
ah yeah, I thought you meant something different by "after you draw your first X cards"
thick mesa
yeah, that's what i meant
olive plaza
i forget, did you already mess with stone joker?
thick mesa
i have not, yet
i am thinking of what kind of theming to use for a stone synergy joker
because i want a joker to have the effect "Stone cards count as their own rank."
olive plaza
geologist?
fading thorn
<@430213024914341888> understanding the idea now?
Ohhh, i get it now
thick mesa
geologist?
ooh, perfect!
and for the record, stones would count as five of a kind. not flush five.
olive plaza
yea with that description that makes sense
fading thorn
and for the record, stones would count as five of a kind. not flush five.
Rock of a kind 
fading thorn
XD
summer ermine
ore of a kind*
i missread that as one of a kind lol
thick mesa
here's all the changed jokers i can think of for now.
and dropping this here, as a reminder that even as i work on all these ideas... you can download the RAR file and get access to at least this one now.
and on that note, good night.
olive plaza
good night numbuh
olive plaza
for when you wake up: what do you think of ride the bus decreasing by a large amount instead of fully resetting when you score a face card? i feel it'd lose the flavor "crashing the bus" if you make the punishment too light but losing 20+ mult for 1 mistake is not great when green joker exists
gilded olive
You shouldn’t make mistakes tho 🤔
olive plaza
so true
the 2x for magic number is wrong in that latest zip btw, dunno if you already have it fixed in your files though
thick mesa
🤔 maybe down to the nearest multiple of 10...? but i do feel that ride the bus should be a situational sort of joker; taken for synergy with abandoned deck, or jokers that want to do other things with face cards. (baron, shoot the moon, hit the road, canio, reserved parking, etc.)
and i know the numbers are wrong; it's called a patch preview
olive plaza
? the sprite i mean
thick mesa
the 2x for magic number is wrong in that latest zip btw, dunno if you already ha...
it was initially +33 chips, +3 mult, and 1.33x mult; and that's what it still is in-game. i will probably upload the latest build to github and put the link in the initial post, which will have it changed to +30 chips, +6 mult, and x1.2 mult; because it's a reference to the schoolhouse rock song for multiplying by 3.
it won't have brick by brick implemented or the changes to the pair/3OAK/4OAK jokers, but those will be in the pipeline
thick mesa
and maybe there is a discrepancy between what's shown and what you actually get?
i'll have to look into that
but i don't know what you mean by "the sprite"
olive plaza
the image for magic number is blurry and portions of the border seem double wide, i haven't checked the asset folder but something is wrong in game with the pixel smoothing setting on
thick mesa
oh, that blurring is intentional; the sprite is a reference to this shot from the music video for it
olive plaza
icic
thick mesa
and i made it blurry because a lot of people would remember watching it from a VHS
look the song up on youtube; it's probably how i got so good at my times tables as a lad
olive plaza
here
turned my pc on just to make sure i wasn't bothering for no reason lol, i guess if you don't have the 1 pixel transparent border it stretches
olive plaza
yeah the border
the blur i didn't realize was intentional but that idk if you already have fixed so i thought i'd mention it
brisk scarab
i think i know an effect that could be slightly better for that card
one sec
it seems like the one you're using is the one on the right
but the left one could be more "vhs-ey"
thick mesa
yeah, i probably overdid it a little
could just add some noise on top as an overlay
and tone the blurring down
brisk scarab
if you have aseprite, the effect i used here is blur-3x3-hard in the convolution matrix
thick mesa
there. i think that works a lot better to sell that "old vhs" kinda look
thick mesa
yeah, that's why i had the border around it
like this
white text with black border is easiest to read
thick mesa
@here github repository created, new version uploaded.
thick mesa
fixed
viscid briar
@here github repository created, new version uploaded.
Is there a link?
viscid briar
Thanks :3
thick mesa
progress report: the effects are not implemented yet, but... i have the methodology in place to where i can more easily replace other jokers as well.
(and yes, i find it amazingly thematic that square joker is now a rare joker)
i could even make it replace the atlas, if i so desired... which i obviously will need to do if only to revert clever and mad joker.
olive plaza
hey small incredibly specific side note: can you move the tags in the title to the end instead of the beginning? its hard for me to find in my insane list of threads
wait better idea, i'll just suggest adding those tags to the actual tag options for modding threads next time i see a mod
thick mesa
oh right
thick mesa
hopefully this problem is fixed. let me know if it isn't.
i'm currently in the process of moving to alpha, so i'll dump my code into an alpha branch and maintain this one once i'm sure it's finished
all 0.9.8 version changes are untested, as i'm not downgrading for the sake of testing them.
current itinerary:
- implement brick by brick mechanics
- create art and implement mechanics for mountain climber card
thick mesa
New version released!
- 7 new Jokers!
- 8 rebalanced Jokers!
Full changelog will be worked on after I wake up. Enjoy!
thick mesa
okay... so i fixed a lot of bugs, and fully implemented some changes that were either partially implemented or fully unimplemented
writing changelog now
thick mesa
NumBalatro
viscid briar
Very cool looking mod
As I said in the main chat, I'm just not sure about all the reworks and I also have to think about other people who use my modpack caring about jokers getting changed that I rarely even use
thick mesa
yeah, i kind of tried figuring out exactly which jokers either needed a better use case or a less degenerate use case
for example, the changes to the hand type jokers
viscid briar
Yeah I don't like how you nerfed 5oak ngl
thick mesa
that's fair; i should probably add direct 5oak support at some point
viscid briar
Yeah I don't like how you nerfed 5oak ngl
But I rarely use those specific jokers so it barely matters to me
I just don't want people who play with my modpack to be upset at vanilla jokers being changed unexpectedly
thick mesa
though i think the climbers is really good for 5oak, as well as the two special flush hands
gives you free upgrades for pivoting to a stronger hand type
viscid briar
Oh yeah I do like that a lot
thick mesa
but yeah, i might add direct joker support for 5oak soon
viscid briar
Oh yeah I do like that a lot
Will make transitioning from flush to flush 5 a lot easier
But legit if you just add a config, which I know can be a bit of a pain, it'd make me a lot more comfortable putting this in my modpack (which is meant to represent my exact personal setup)
Ideally all the reworks would have separate check boxes, but 1 is sufficient
Tbh if you don't want that work going to waste, which I don't really want wither you cooould have an option to load the reworks in as separate jokers and just like use soul_pos to have an overlay to differentiate them
thick mesa
who knows; i'll figure out what to do from here after i get more feedback
i kinda want jokers to be stronger when you plan them around a hand
instead of just "haha slam all type jokers on 5oak"
viscid briar
that's all well and good, and as I said this has little to nothing to do with how I personally feel about the changes. Modularity is good practice in any case
thick mesa
yeah, i'll look into giving people the option to revert the rebalancing
thick mesa
i won't lie
i nerfed duo and trio because i really don't like the idea of stacking different "hand type" jokers to get x24 mult on 4OAK and 5OAK
just feels like those kinds of jokers should force me to commit to that certain hand type
viscid briar
fair enough I guess. I'm a flush/flush 5 player anyway, and I play with tons of mods, so I end up having better options
thick mesa
mhm
i could very well add some "5oak" jokers for the chip, mult, and x_mult department
but i feel like that's something a lot of mods do anyway
viscid briar
tbh no? I rarely if ever see it
full glacier
Cryptid did it
eternal cosmos
The only cryptid I know is a wendigo spectral
there's loch ness monster, bigfoot, mothman, chupacabra, etc
kraken
eternal cosmos
imagine scp 096 was in the hiker joker sprite
thick mesa
well, regardless of everything, the option to enable or disable my vanilla joker alterations is now implemented
it's a little more primitive than i'd like, but smods is limited
thick mesa
quick @everyone here just to get attention on it
summer ermine
well, regardless of everything, the option to enable or disable my vanilla joker...
cool cool
summer ermine
quick @everyone here just to get attention on it
^ i dont think this works lol
thick mesa
i set it to silent
it shouldn't give a notification ping to devices, but it will show the red 1
upper ferry
I tried it once and apparently it did nothing
thick mesa
¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper ferry
well, regardless of everything, the option to enable or disable my vanilla joker...
Where does the config stored, inside the mod folder or outside the Mods folder?
thick mesa
Where does the config stored, inside the mod folder or outside the Mods folder?
in the root of the mod's folder
thick mesa
hmmmmm... what other mods do you have? this seems like a problem that results from my mod patching over top of another one.
viscid briar
I'll try to figure this out
I very much doubt it matters, but wanted to point out that you're using the bad lovely beta, not 0.6.0
upper ferry
This might be because of old lovely version, because it is gone after I updated lovely
upper ferry
But this persist
But this persist
thick mesa
wait what
thick mesa
huh.
wait, did you try enabling the altered vanilla jokers and do something with them without restarting?
thick mesa
oh, that's what it is?
upper ferry
I see you added the assets, It boot now but doesn't load the proper assets
It's all jimbos
thick mesa
weird. i have the _joker part added into the code
...is there like
a setting where you use the 2x assets?
upper ferry
Yes
upper ferry
Graphics>pixel art smoohing
thick mesa
yeah, i have no idea what the problem is, then. sorry.
genuinely cannot reproduce the bug
i'll see if updating steamodded does it for me
nope
seems like a compatibility thing
all i can suggest is to go into NumBalatro.lua and try turning the priority from 214 to -214
see if that helps anything
thick mesa
i literally just threw that in for shits and giggles
if it fucks up mod compatibility i can change it or remove it
upper ferry
I'll try again see if that helps
opal ledge
Malverk will fuck with custom sprites for jokers depending on how they’re done
Or rather, if people change the default sprite
thick mesa
which i have indeed done
rather, all my modded vanilla jokers use individual assets to maximize mod compatibility
upper ferry
Curiously, the trio (and some others) is correct
thick mesa
mostly because those are holdovers
upper ferry
Holdovers?
thick mesa
from before i figured out how to selectively exclude some of the vanilla jokers i rebalanced
because i straight up did not change their atlas
opal ledge
Id suggest using the original sprite sheet and positions would be better for mod compat
opal ledge
Changing just the atlas value rather than the atlas and position value means there’s less places for things to clash
thick mesa
yeah, that's probably a factor
viscid briar
it's probably malverk that's the culprit already tbh
or not really the sultrit, as that's just how it works, but the reason
thick mesa
i mean, i'm gonna try to make a cross compatible version anyway
viscid briar
yeah, I like malverk, and will probably end up using it for jokers too if there's ever a joker texture pack that I like
opal ledge
yeah Malverk doesn't like people altering original assets
viscid briar
yeah Malverk doesn't like people altering original assets
tbh some parts of how malverk is designed feel a bit unthought out, like it doesn't seem like it could ever retexture mod objects
not without specific compat
maybe I'm mistaken though
It seems to have a lot more hardcorded than I'd assume is nessacary basically
thick mesa
yeah
opal ledge
it works fine for mod objects
viscid briar
it works fine for mod objects
my bad
thick mesa
i'd figure the way that i code it is "nicer"
viscid briar
why does it need the list of vanillia objecs then?
because they're not smods objects?
opal ledge
it needs a list of keys for what you're applying the textures to
thick mesa
it probably just uses the whole-ass sprite sheet
the same way it appears in the default game
viscid briar
it needs a list of keys for what you're applying the textures to
I figured that'd be defined by the pack
opal ledge
yeah it can be, but if you don't define it it just defaults to the full set
viscid briar
but I'm speaking from ignorance, so my bad
opal ledge
so for full texture changes you don't need to define the keys, it'll do it for you
viscid briar
Yeah I can see the benefit there
just have a full modded atlas and bob's your uncle basically
opal ledge
yeah but if you want to just change a few objects you can specify the keys
viscid briar
very fair. Maybe if it could dynamiocally grab the keys and pos for the current atlases for those objects, it'd be useful, for compat I know you said you'd have to give the originals so it'd know what to use on the full modded atlas, but after looking at the current structure that doesn't seem too unreasonable
opal ledge
it does dynamically grab positions
I think it's skipping out on the atlas name for when it sets it back to default
viscid briar
What I mean is if the position isn't the original, then it won't work, because ir applies that position to the modded atlas, which is just a re-skin of the original
The bunco thing didn't bther me to turn it off, but I can see some legitimate use-cases for mods to edit sprites and not want to just include a modifed copy of the vanillia atlas
though I guess there's nothing wrong with doing so being the convention
I mean mods as in not melverk texture packs
general mods
not at all a big deal or even relevent, saying that Num is gonna fix it. Just... to be frank a kinda unisghtly thing, to just have a copy of the original atlas if you want to include 1 or 2 texture changes with your otherwise non-texture mod
opal ledge
yeah, I hadn't considered people wanting to change the texture of something via take ownership
thick mesa
i have a fixed version up now. should fix @upper ferry's problem.
upper ferry
Let me see
thick mesa
github is updated
upper ferry
Looks great now!
hollow raven
hello, To The Moon doesn't show the XMult correctly