#[WIP] MORE STAKES

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harsh sapphire
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Look, I know we all hate how unfair Gold stake can be and how it can make you basically reset for the perfect run.
But what if there was more wouldn't that be kinda cool i think it would be cool for people that like to put themselves through pain for really hard challenges

UPDATE: @ilikecheese is working on this! #1219931890320932864 message

Brown stake- Required score scales EVEN FASTER for each Ante
You gotta have this one in at least to keep the pattern up. I don't actually know how much worse the scaling gets from green or purple stake, and the wiki doesn't tell, but hey, modders can figure that out :D
Also if you take the green purple and brown stakes you get the ugly gradient

Cyan Stake- -1 Hands
It always Irked me that the blue stake is the one that removes the red number but whatever
Pretty self-explanitory. Probably the smallest climb in difficulty out of all of these ideas.

Lime Stake- Blinds no longer give reward money past Ante 4
At least you've got interest, I suppose. At this point the money doesn't do that much (or at least it shouldn't if you want to win), so it really should be fine right :)

Blood Stake- The Ante Boss has an additional x1.5 Base Chip requirement.
i ran outta colors
Yes, the perfect addition to the "ante scales faster" group: the ante 1 boss is 5 digits!
I thought it would be boring if I just scaled it faster, so here you go. Rule of fours.

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Achromatic Stake- Uncommon jokers cost $2 more, Rare jokers cost $4 more
You get one joker at the beginning of the game and you stick with it dammit

Emerald Stake- Starting shop price rerolls scale with Ante
God i just hate shops oh my god
It scales by $1 per Ante. It makes Reroll surplus/glut Worse, and it makes Chaos the Clown absolutely busted. Cool! Never reroll again.
also this one glows like the gold one, and so does

Diamond Stake- -1 Joker Slot
Hey, if painted deck can do it

Yes, these are unfair on purpose. I think it's something nice to keep top players entertained for at least a little while, or to see if anyone actually beats diamond stake. IF they beat diamond stake, though, yes I will definitely add more are you crazy

Also, I don't know how to mod this game but it shouldn't be that bad to add the stuff I said above right?

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opaque turret
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imagine trying to do all these stakes oh god

harsh sapphire
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yes that is the point

opaque turret
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ngl i would see someone trying to do all of them

harsh sapphire
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do you enjoy pain? well do i have the mod idea for you!

opaque turret
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real

worldly hazel
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how do i download?

solid crag
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this is only a concept

worldly hazel
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:(

worldly hazel
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i have to much time

harsh sapphire
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Same

tame matrix
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wtf - i love it

harsh sapphire
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Again, this shouldn't be hard

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To code

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I just don't know any lua

worldly hazel
harsh sapphire
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wow every word is misspelled in this sentence well done

worldly hazel
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hehe

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my keybard desnt icup sme prsses

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ThE FUCk/

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HY

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WH

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WHYY

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thr

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NO

worldly hazel
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wish this was a thing

harsh sapphire
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me too

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get someone that knows how to mod

cerulean cloud
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cyan is easily a difficulty spike, if black deck has taught us anything

harsh sapphire
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I think everything is a difficulty spike

cerulean cloud
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for sure, but I think you're wrong saying it's the smallest climb in difficulty

harsh sapphire
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Meh

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I mean if you don't win in one hand you usually die immediately

cerulean cloud
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play some black deck

harsh sapphire
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i did

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i think it's fine

cerulean cloud
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also what do you mean I'm not making it past ante 1 big blind jokerless? no base game stakes change the scoring targets for ante 1

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tbf that doesn't mean modded stakes can't

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but I think it would be unfun

harsh sapphire
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yeah ante 1 boss would make more sense

cerulean cloud
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sure that's still beatable jokerless, just look harder for straight flushes

harsh sapphire
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fair

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but that is harder with -1 hand

cerulean cloud
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also -1 hand size from gold stake

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good luck with that

harsh sapphire
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Such fair

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I just want

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a stake that is virtually impossible

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because i know SOME people like that

worldly hazel
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meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

worldly hazel
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cerulean stakes: all negitive odds are doubled and all positive odds are halved.

open spruce
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yknow why not? im down to make this

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i do think that some of the stakes need to be less just rng

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also be harsher on the late game rather than early

worldly hazel
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yha.

worldly hazel
open spruce
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@harsh sapphire i really, really don't like lime, achromatic and emerald stake. it seems like at that point it doesn't matter how good you are a player at all, it's just how long you spend grinding, and while i get that that's somewhat the point, it feels like it's been taken a bit too far. can i suggest some alternatives for each?

  • lime stake: blinds no longer give reward money past ante 4. original lime stake seems ridiculously weak, and we need some things that make the late game harder rather than having the player reset a ton at the start and then sail smoothly when they luck into a good combo
  • achromatic stake: i don't really know what i would swap this out for, but lots of rare jokers are fun and can motivate the player to keep continuing a run even if they'll lose eventually, and they're often more fun to play than they are powerful. remeber, if we remove enjoyment to an extent, people will just not play the mod. it isn't a part of the base game
  • emerald stake: reroll prices increase exponentially per reroll. this sort of achieves the same purpose of forcing the player to make do with what they get offered, which i think is a really fun way to play, without encouraging too much resetting.
    let me know what you think. i think the other stakes are great and well-balanced, but if you want to 'keep top players entertained', the stakes first need to actually reward the high skill levels of these players rather than dumb luck, and also be entertaining. you absolutely don't need to take on my suggestions as i've written them, but i think it's important to stay away from being evil just for the sake of it as this is becoming an actual mod i'm putting effort into.
sonic estuary
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is there a stake api in steamodded?

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how do you plan to make this?

open spruce
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i'm coding it myself

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the stakes already basically work

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just adding n the actual gameplay features

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maybe we should add a stake api to steammodded

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i'll look into that

worldly hazel
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great thanks

harsh sapphire
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Thank you for deciding you wanna make this

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Really excited to play it when it's done

open spruce
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i actually love these ideas, i'm super happy to add them in

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maybe for lime stake i'll put 'upgraded vouchers are replaced with blank' just to make it a bit more of a challenge.

open spruce
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ok nvm seems like that doesn't work

worldly hazel
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I wait in extreme excitement. I will see if I can provide an uneddited vid of me doing the final stake with no other mods. I will include all fails.

harsh sapphire
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Dear god

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I will definitely also make a video about the mod

harsh sapphire
open spruce
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@harsh sapphire i heard that localthunk was intending to rework some of the higher stakes soon, should i still work on this now or wait until that's finalised so it doesn't create compatibility issues?

harsh sapphire
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I don't see why it would make compatibility issues

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Even if the stakes change, the update itself will probably break the mod as is lmao

open spruce
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hmm true

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ok, i'll keep going

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we might want to rework some of the stakes for balance later on though, but it shouldn't be too difficult

worldly hazel
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yha

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well I'm exited

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flying to New York this Sunday so what else do I have to do on the flight

open spruce
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damn it might not be done by sunday, i’ll give it a go though

harsh sapphire
open spruce
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i've already got ideas for other stakes as well

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some of them are a bit gimmicky and might work better as challenges

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but a few work well

harsh sapphire
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You no longer make any money

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Yellow deck is now the only deck that can win

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If you have more than 10 money you die instantly

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The challenge is now impossible

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Have fun 👍

open spruce
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you could get credit card tho

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credit card stake - credit card is debuffed

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there we go, fixed

harsh sapphire
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Lmao credit card stake

worldly hazel
radiant plinth
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if the achromatic through diamond go after brown through blood, the diamond stake is literally mathematically impossible to clear. so uh, might need to rethink a bit here. (unless you get god pull negatives i suppose, but even then...)

worldly hazel
radiant plinth
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melina?

worldly hazel
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whatever it is

radiant plinth
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i don't know what you're referring to

harsh sapphire
radiant plinth
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there isn't a common/uncommon joker strong enough to defeat the final blind in one hand. there isn't any way to make an economy (especially with 1 hand), and the increased price of boosters wouldn't allow you to level up a hand and scale a joker to a degree to beat a 1.5x on an already scaled up a8 boss.
consider, the flat boss without additional scaling is alreaedy 540,000 chips. assuming it's 50% higher from scaling, that's 810,000 chips.
assuming you have something like a vampire with x10 mult that' youve somehow managed to upgrade, as well as a level 10 flush five you've also somehow managed to luck out on, as well as a deck able to make a flush five without DNA (just expensive boosters and deaths from expensive boosters),
a level 10 flush five is 560 (+55 if aces) chips x 46 mult x10 = 282,900.
if you bought the 2 hand voucher, and somehow have 10 aces, that's 565,800, barely enough to beat an unscaled boss. meaning you need them to also be polychromed/holographic.
but when you consider money, there isn't even enough money available to achieve what i've stated this far.
meaning you need basically either: roll constant hermits or get very good negatives to even have a chance to beat it.
so mathematically impossible? exaggeratory if we assume negatives (probably, the money might make it so).
if it isn't, then we are looking at a 10,000 + hour grind to have any sort of chance, with the amount of things that need to go right.

harsh sapphire
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oh i forgot to update some stakes

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lime achrom and emerald are different now

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also yes it is kinda the point of this
there are people who would grind for hours on something like this

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i am one of those people

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I would do my best to beat Diamond stake

radiant plinth
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i'm just arguing that there isn't enough economy be able to mathematically beat your challenge.

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so you'd be grinding until the universe ends o.o

harsh sapphire
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I changed some stuff

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You can now get rare jokers

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but all the changed blinds fuck with econ so

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the 'Initial jokers and booster packs in the shop are free' Skip is gonna be doing some REAL heavy lifting

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basically you'd have to get that round 1

radiant plinth
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but every time you skip, you lose out on a shop, and you have a maximum of 22 shops.

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like, can you even theorize a run where you clear?

harsh sapphire
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i think trying to theorize a run like that would be insane

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the game is Large

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i think we'll have to see when the mod is finished if it's practically possible

radiant plinth
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it isn't really that hard, when you consider there are only a few jokers strong enough to make it possible

harsh sapphire
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i might nerf some stuff

radiant plinth
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i mean, if you allow legendary, its just hunt perkeo on ghost deck till u win , but otherwise i think it needs a lot of reworking.

harsh sapphire
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simple

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we ban legendaries

radiant plinth
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but then its impossible o.o

harsh sapphire
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Good

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Let people try >:)

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I think this is good enough for what I want out of this mod

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Either way, the mod doesn't exist yet

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maybe I am overreaching, underreaching

radiant plinth
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i'm just saying, if you want someone to make a mod for you, at least make it make sense before troubling them. good luck ~

harsh sapphire
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I didn't trouble anyone, ilikecheese saw this post and wanted to make it lol

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they actually gave me ideas to rebalance stuff

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that was very cool

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they are working on the mod as we speak

mighty mica
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Idea if Diamond gets beaten
Platinum Stake: -1 Booster Pack Slot
Glitzy Stake: Duplicate Tarots can spawn in the shop

harsh sapphire
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Glitzy‼️

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I've already got an idea for the next stake

worldly hazel
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How long a vid do you want?

harsh sapphire
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:)

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one indicative of how hard it is

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i mean, preferably until you don't wanna play it anymore

worldly hazel
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we should name the final stake masacism mode.

worldly hazel
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almost to gold on plasma deck

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if someone actualy manages to beat the final stake of this mod they deserve the title: Modded Masocist

open spruce
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i'll release the first two stakes now so people can work on grinding them. i'll probably have the next two out very soon

📎 MoreStakes.zip
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oh wait dammit there's still a bug

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ok so i forgot to fix the bug that acts exactly the same as the old steamodded modded deck one, so just make sure to play on a profile you're fine to delete if anything goes wrong

worldly hazel
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thanks

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this happens whenever i try to go up past gold stakes

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this is my mods folder

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worldly hazel
worldly hazel
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flight leaves in 11 hours. prob have like 9-10 hours to get the mod and have it working.

sonic estuary
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just brown and cyan for now?

sonic estuary
open spruce
open spruce
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@worldly hazel unfortunately i can't seem to reproduce the bug. no promises i'll have it fixed by your flight, sry

worldly hazel
worldly hazel
harsh sapphire
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also I'd argue I should be credited aswell

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maybe not as important, but i still came up with the idea

harsh sapphire
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this is fucking wild

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open spruce
harsh sapphire
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This mod is brutal holy shit

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GOOD

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I WANT IT TO BE BRUTAL

open spruce
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ok so localthunk pushed an update changing base ante scaling, so i’ll probably change brown stake ante scaling in the next release

worldly hazel
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kk

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just got to NY

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woo

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I had extremely rare ocurance. the plane was 20 mins early.

harsh sapphire
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Or are there other changes

open spruce
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in the next release when i add the next two stakes

harsh sapphire
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I meant the main game

open spruce
harsh sapphire
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Fucking wild

open spruce
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ikr

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i still think to do list is a bit op with the new change

harsh sapphire
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beat brown stake

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harsh sapphire
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dude i had a RUN going for cyan stake with card sharp but i got psychic, lost a hand like an idiot, then proceeded to play PAIR INSTEAD OF HIGH CARD and DIE

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it was gonna win so hard dude

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it was breaking all the ante 8 boss scores

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i had a negative for v leaf

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it was PERFECT

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had i not fucked up i would've won there i am 100% sure of that

glacial quiver
novel furnace
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oh god what is this

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add negative stakes that make the game easier lol

harsh sapphire
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True...

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[WIP] MORE STAKES

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I can actually do this now

novel furnace
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so currently this is:

  • small blind no reward, and no reward past ante 4
  • scales faster per ante x3
  • boss blind are 3x base now (1.5x2 = 3)
  • eternal, perishing and rental jokers appear in shop (or old orange/gold applies?)
  • 1 less discard, hand and joker slot
  • reroll cost scaled with ante
  • uncommon and rare cost 2 and 4 more dollars

hmm im thinking of some stupid ideas
new types of stickers like eternal, perishing and rental:

  • entropic (theres a 1/3 chance it doesnt work this round)
  • rotting (every hand played, become >2.5% worse)
harsh sapphire
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How do you quantify 2.5% with some jokers

open spruce
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spades and clubs count as relatively similar suits

harsh sapphire
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"Some might say that spades and clubs, and hearts and diamonds are the same suit"

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"and this Joker may or may not agree"

mighty mica
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97.5% chance that a clubs effect triggers on spades

surreal owl
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this ever getting updated? i like the idea of adding more stakes for those of us who want more challenge

open spruce
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i think someone else is making a mod with additional stakes

rough trench
vestal raft
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?

mighty mica
vestal raft
mighty mica
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If you go to the mods tab and click on a mod, you get the option to change the settings for some mods

vestal raft
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oh

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cool

ripe sierra
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can confirm

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vestal raft
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COOL

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I like that

rough trench
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Feel free to only enable Stakes

vestal raft
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Does it require a restart

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Oh

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nvm im stupid LOL

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it pays to read

ripe sierra
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reading the config tab explains the config tab