[New Deck, Steamodded] Dice Deck

[turbid pasture]

A deck that literally just has its ability be a very niche Joker (but it can stack with that Joker, too!)
Stats are as follows:

• Doubles all listed probabilities (ex: 1 in 3 -> 2 in 3)
• Begin with 1 copy of The Magician

Yeah, this is just Oops! All 6s but as a deck. Genuinely, I really like the idea of Oops!, but I think the fact that it can harm you (glass cards break easier, Wheel puts more cards face-down, etc.), and it's just a slight increase in odds makes it too niche to ever be worth taking on most decks--especially since you have to just find it in a run, much like any other Joker, so even if you do have a run which would want it, you might not get it.

So, I made it into a deck! I don't think there are many passive Jokers I would want to have deck forms, but this is one where it felt justifiable and fun.

EDIT: This has been updated! Please see the latest zip file here: #1213040102138323024 message

[urban bolt]

deck cover no work

this means the house makes all cards invis

[turbid pasture]

do you have any other mods on which affect the Enhancers.png file, like another deck?

i haven't had any visuals problems with this deck outside of when i had other mods on which affected Enhancers, since (to my knowledge, at least) if you have multiple mods affecting the same image file, one of them will be given higher priority

saw your post in #⚙・modding-general , decided to quickly look at Dice Deck's code to see if i wrote something wrong--but everything looks good

i think it might be either how you installed stuff, or you have a different conflicting mod on rn

[olive summit]

this mod seems fun, do I require steamodded to try it out or are there other ways to do it?

[turbid pasture]

yeah you'll need steamodded lol

[frank beacon]

Yeah mine doesn't have a cover for the dice deck either fyi. using steam modded

for me the pact deck was interferring with it since the pact deck also had the enhancers pngs

[turbid pasture]

yeah at the moment there's not really a way (To my knowledge, at least) to have multiple different deck mods on while each has different custom graphics.
i mean, i guess i could make it so both pact deck and dice deck include the other one's graphic in their image? feels weird but it would fix it

probably is something i'd only really wanna do if i made them into like a modpack of some sort though

[olive summit]

played a couple of rounds with the deck, its quite cool

the wheel of fortune turns from a low priority tarot card to one of the best

at the end of each of my runs I have basically all my jokers enhanced

a +10 mult joker at the beginning of the run carries you for long, so you can go for more scaling

wheel of fortune is the most consistent power up that the deck has, but on average I wouldnt rank it very high

lots of fun though, had a run with "oops all 6s" and had a 4/4 chance on wheel and 4/5 chance on all my lucky cards

[turbid pasture]

really glad to hear it!!!! yeah oops! with it giving quadruple odds is quite fun--i've found this deck is particularly good at running Hearts flushes, due to the fact bloodstone is innately 2/3, and then oops makes it guaranteed

[bronze lynx]

I feel like it would be nice if you could start gettinf value from this deck's ability from the get go.
Mb add «also start with 4 lucky Aces of each suit»?

[turbid pasture]

this deck almost began with 4 lucky 7s, actually

[bronze lynx]

It's not necessary or anything but early game feels like a black deck

which is awful

no hand size debuff

but still

[turbid pasture]

but then i decided against it honestly lol--i feel like that just hands you too much early on, especially because, in theory, you could just keep resetting until you got 20$ off a lucky card on the first small blind

which, y'know, a lot of people probably won't, but i don't like the idea of it

i'm not opposed to giving it some kind of a buff--but i think beginning with lucky cards feels a bit too strong

[bronze lynx]

Oh I see

[turbid pasture]

if i were to give it a buff, i'd want it to still like, meaningfully contribute to the deck's identity in some way

[bronze lynx]

Start with a wheel of fortune

[fair axle]

as an oops all 6! enjoyer,i have no idea how convoluted this would be to implement, but maybe make Magician guaranteed from Tarot packs?

[fair axle]

Spectral Deck....TWO!

[bronze lynx]

yeah, I see the parallel

[turbid pasture]

LMAO

[fair axle]

is this about spectral deck 2 or my suggestion

[turbid pasture]

beginning with a wheel is very silly--i think it does have the same issue though, in that you're encouraged to keep resetting runs until you actually get it to proc

[turbid pasture]

nah yours is cool actually

[fair axle]

yay

[turbid pasture]

i think it also fits very well with the vibe of the deck: in luck-based things, you have more guarantees, or at least better odds

[bronze lynx]

Guaranteed

[turbid pasture]

so another random part of the game getting a guarantee sounds nice

i'm gonna do some thinking on if i like it fully or not, but if i do, i'll see if i can add it

[fair axle]

ive tried to make lucky card decks work for a long while and honestly,i think its underrated, but the main issue i had is that magician is simply too inconsistent

its the only source of lucky cards,and unlike empress or hierophant,you only get to buff one at a time.

[bronze lynx]

Mb after each blind get a Magician?

[fair axle]

well thats basically the same but probably easier to code.

[turbid pasture]

after each boss blind i'm assuming you mean?

[fair axle]

so yeah

[turbid pasture]

but also i could definitely see that

[bronze lynx]

every blind

8 lucky cards for 8 bosses is nothing lol

mb 2 magicians for each boss

sounds more reasonable

[fair axle]

7 lucky cards (while thematically appropriate)

cuz you will only get the magician after the 8th boss

[fair axle]

ooo yeah

[turbid pasture]

and i could definitely code that! at one point in time this deck had a programming error where it actually doubled your odds after each blind, which was uh

[fair axle]

destroy 8 times

and we know we can program stuff to trigger on boss blind cuz anaglyph deck so yippee

[turbid pasture]

unfortunately odds going beyond the max don't do anything lol

[fair axle]

is funny to see though

[turbid pasture]

frankly, i think 1 magician after each boss blind still sounds fine lmao. like, power-wise i think this deck is already Alright--definitely on the weaker side, but i think it has good synergies. having 7 (or more in endless/hieroglyph) guaranteed magicians, when lucky cards are already a lot better, sounds really good

[bronze lynx]

sad that it can't go in negative numbers making card unbreakable

[turbid pasture]

2 magicians is like. 14 lucky cards guaranteed. that's crazy lmao

[fair axle]

yeah fair enough i guess

[bronze lynx]

by the end of the game

you're not getting them from the get go

[turbid pasture]

i do think identity-wise the guaranteed magician in every arcana pack is pretty cool though. i'm gonna look at some code stuff to see if that's feasible, as i think it sounds more interesting

[fair axle]

though that's 1/2 odds of +20 for each one so...still.

[turbid pasture]

i mean yeah but it's still a bunch of free arcana

[bronze lynx]

this is busted actually, no? you can farm 3+ lucky cards every ante

[fair axle]

we know we can manipulate packs,seeing how telescope does it...maybe try to investigate how that does it?

[fair axle]

in packs

[bronze lynx]

yes

in packs

[fair axle]

especifically arcana packs.

you arent getting arcana packs in every shop.

[bronze lynx]

you getting AT LEAST one per ante let's be real

[fair axle]

yeah.

[bronze lynx]

and that's worst case

[fair axle]

though ive had a few where i dont

[turbid pasture]

i'm gonna be real: i don't know how that would be overpowered while 2 magicians per boss blind would be balanced lmao

i'm not necessarily claiming the guaranteed magician is--but between those two options, it definitely seems like the weaker one

[bronze lynx]

It kinda also kills any variety provided by Arcana packs

you always pick magician pretty much

unless hermit/wheel

[turbid pasture]

hmm. i suppose that's a fair point

[fair axle]

yeah...telescope effects are pretty strong.

[turbid pasture]

okay--i think if the deck is going to receive a buff, it's going to be the 1 magician after each boss blind one. i'm gonna see if i can code that (should be able to?), i'll do some test runs, and if i like how it feels, i'll push the update

[bronze lynx]

do you have access to the code of already existing Jokers?

cuz mb you can use the code of the Rocket

it upgrades after each boss blind iirc

[turbid pasture]

that part of the code's the easy part--i already have Pact Deck made, which does an "after boss blind" mechanic
the tricky part is making it spawn a specific tarot. spawning a tarot (any kind) i know how to do, but trying to figure out how i'd word it to do magician is the struggle

[fair axle]

check Fool's code? @turbid pasture

[fair axle]

how's it going Blackbando?

[indigo iron]

Hello there! @turbid pasture, do you need some help?

I think the code you are looking for would be this:

create_card('Tarot', G.consumeables, nil, nil, nil, nil, 'c_fool', 'deck')

I did a quick test, usign your Pact Deck and it worked

Just change c_fool to c_magician, in your case

[turbid pasture]

oh, thank you! yeah i was really struggling to figure out how to do this lol

sweet--in that case, i can implement this and do those test runs i was talking about, see how i feel about it

um

UM

@indigo iron it would appear the code just like. makes them? like, you don't GET a magician, there's one just. floating around?????

if you look at the initial screenshot you posted, you have 0/2 consumable slots despite that Fool being there--so it doesn't appear to be that i put in the code wrong or anything lol

[bronze lynx]

mb it only spawns a visual entity?

not the functioning card itself

[bronze lynx]

also shadow wizard money gagn let's gooooo

[turbid pasture]

something like that! they DO have descriptions and stuff though

so i do think this is an improved version of the deck, as it allows you to construct Mecha-Magiciatron for one of your Jokers, creating the strongest force in Balatro

however unfortunately boss blinds do not recognize it as a real weapon

[turbid pasture]

another thing: i did a full run there, got to ante 10, bought arcana every shop (had both clearance vouchers), had a vagabond

Magicians never actually showed up a single time, outside of the broken ones spawned by it

makes me wonder if the code here somehow like... breaks magicians themselves? so it IS spawning a "real" magician, but some other part of it makes it so Magicians don't work at all

[indigo iron]

Sorry about that, I was in a hurry and did not test it properly, I think I missed some lines. Let me get back to you on this

Ok, I think I got it now 😅
I tested it and it is usable.

These are the lines I missed:

local card = create_card('Tarot', G.consumeables, nil, nil, nil, nil, 'c_magician', 'deck')
card:add_to_deck()
G.consumeables:emplace(card)

[bronze lynx]

mf assembled the whole Hogwarts

[turbid pasture]

so the second test run of this new change definitely went well

i'm gonna run a few more test games, because it's hard to tell if this was just because this was really fortunate luck (i did get lucky cat decently early on), or if i should actually worry that now the deck is too good from the free magicians lol

....i also just now realized that Magician didn't show up in the arcana packs this run either

again, could just be coincidence--but getting free magicians, while packs just can't have them, isn't a terrible balancing factor

even if maybe an unintentional one

[severe pebble]

I need to get rid of my other mods or something
Dice Deck has no back

[bronze lynx]

that could be pure unluck and I won't be surprised at all lul

[severe pebble]

ok i removed stuff and it works now

wheel of fortune, my beloved

[turbid pasture]

from what i can tell, as of this moment you can't have multiple different mods change the Enhancers.png image and be compatible like that--so one of them will have priority. as a result, having multiple deck mods on (assuming they have custom backs, that is) will make all but one of them have no back

[severe pebble]

see that's weird though because i DID have multiple deck mods active with working backs

[turbid pasture]

lol it's possible, but i doubt it. i'll be running more test runs though, so at some point i'll either see one and be proven wrong, or i won't and it's highly likely it's disabling them

[turbid pasture]

were they just using default ones?

[severe pebble]

noooope

all unique graphics

[turbid pasture]

hmm. which mods were they?

[severe pebble]

borrowed, pact, dynamic, all were working with this one not

[turbid pasture]

if there is a method to make stuff more compatible like that, i'll update my decks to use that framework

[severe pebble]

i have a hypothesis as to the issue

i think MAYBE the other decks beside pacts were just lua

borrowed and dynamic were lua and maybe they used unused content without my realizing it

[turbid pasture]

yeah i just checked lol

Borrowed isn't using unused content (it's just using the Lucky card image), and Dynamic is using one of the other backs in Enhancers.png

[severe pebble]

oh derf

i figured borrowed might be

so i guess Pact is conflicting with Dice

[turbid pasture]

yep! that'd be the case

at this point i think i'll probably push out an update so both dice and pact deck include each other's backs in their enhancers.png image, since a lot of people want to have both on

[severe pebble]

modding is pain™️

[turbid pasture]

it won't hurt either deck to do so, but it will mean that you can see both backs with both on

[severe pebble]

did you also do pact

[turbid pasture]

yeah i made that deck as well lol

[severe pebble]

wow! based

i love playing pact

[turbid pasture]

glad to hear it!!!!

[bronze lynx]

@turbid pasture can you recommend a mod installation guide?

[turbid pasture]

uh, like what do you mean exactly

https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded?tab=readme-ov-file#installation here's how you install steamodded, and if you scroll down a bit it says how to install mods too

[indigo iron]

One solution I did myself for this was to edit the Enhancers.png file to merge together the different backs in paint (if they don't overlap in the coordinates, but even so, you can just edit the deck's .lua file to handle the new coordinates

[turbid pasture]

yeah it's not actually very hard to solve for like, specific decks? i just figured it probably wasn't worth doing, as most people would likely only check out one of my decks (if any at all), and we'll probably have a solution later on in this game's modding history which lets us not need to even cite Enhancers.png for deck backs

but now that this is the second or third time someone's mentioned using both pact and dice and thus having this issue, the next patch for Dice Deck will include this--and once it does, i'll push out another patch for Pact Deck that also includes it

[fair axle]

cant wait for the update to drop

will be my first balatro mod downloaded

[bronze lynx]

same!

[turbid pasture]

Dice Deck has been updated! I ran through a lot of different options, and what felt best ended up being this: getting to pick one specific card to start as Lucky felt nice for getting the mechanic online, while having too many free Magicians was just a bit too much.

to go into a little more detail: getting a magician after each boss blind made the runs kinda feel too same-y since luckys are way better for this deck

but starting with just 1 felt fine

originally i wanted to avoid that since it's like "you could just keep resetting"

however since Erratic exists it's like. the game already officially has that?

it's mods so like, if someone really wants to do that then they can lol

this does also have the enhancers.png change i mentioned, so you can have both dice deck and pact deck on simultaneously

[worldly moth]

Even after grabbing gthe update I'm still having the same issue someone else did where there's no back to this deck

[turbid pasture]

did you get the updates for both of them?

you'll need it on whichever one the modloader loads first--i don't really know what controls that rn, so i recommend just getting both updates

[tame maple]

so true. i'm never going back to that now that i've gotten the gold stake win for it

[bronze lynx]

You said you don't want to give Lucky card from the start to prevent constat restarts?

oh wait, I read the rest

nvm

[olive summit]

had a nutty run with it today, was consistently scoring 1.000.000+ very early on

[turbid pasture]

oh my god

that looks like a crazy build lmao

[olive summit]

it was basically this, minus the negative jokers, from Ante 5, deck was full of +10 mult, lucky, Kings of Heart

[turbid pasture]

no lucky cat though? sad day....

[olive summit]

I think I saw it at some point, but didnt have space for it, most of the scoring came from the stone

[tame maple]

the negative on the right is steel not glass right?

[olive summit]

yea steel

[tame maple]

sad day....

[turbid pasture]

glass joker is probably pretty good with dice deck, yeah, since you can very consistently break glass

especially with oops lol

[tame maple]

tbh i've started rating glass joker higher even on default decks because my glass cards keep breaking instantly

[turbid pasture]

i've run it a lot! it's a good joker--sometimes i take it and then use hanged man on glass cards to get some xmult

[tame maple]

had a brainstorm dna glass run recently and within about 2 antes after selling dna i went back down to 5 glass cards

[turbid pasture]

lmao

[turbid pasture]

holy shit

[low fiber]

you made a pretty funny mod!

[turbid pasture]

thank you, i'm glad you enjoy it!!

[low fiber]

is there a coded hard cap for levels

[turbid pasture]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i don't know!

it seems like you might find out???

[low fiber]

HELL NAh i got this way too late im barely scraping by these blinds

[turbid pasture]

[New Deck, Steamodded] Dice Deck

[spiral anchor]

Deck doesnt work with the space joker that ups the hand?Does the effect not work on jokers?

Or was it 1 in 4 the default? And it upped it to 1/2

[tame maple]

1 in 4 is default yeah

[thick ferry]

When I heard Dice Deck, I thought it would only have A, 2-6 and was like - that seems easy to get 4+ of a Kind

[spiral anchor]

Hey great mod but would you happen to know why the card back doesnt work at all?I have tried looking in the code but it seems ok, tried loading the original zips assets and turning the mod off and on again but the card backs are invis

I just unzipped the dice deck zip in the mods folder

Also do you know how i can delete all mod info from this mod to try and redownload it fresh? When i deactivate and reactivate it keeps my progress with stakes and such

[tame maple]

i think the mod info for stakes and stuff is just stored in your save file

the deck back thing i think i know the reason for but i've said enough things recently that i had to correct like 5 minutes later so idk lmao

[tame maple]

yeah i'm 99% sure i do know the reason for the back not working. currently it won't work with enhanced enhancements or mods made by crimson heart (other than re;shuffled the rest will be updated soon to fix the problem on their end), basically anything that replaces "enhancers.png" is incompatible

[spiral anchor]

Οh thanks you have been super helpful today

I dont know which mod is at fault i have a bunch

Maybe kuso mods that also have enhancers.png

Maybe i can override just the deck functionality in the lua code to get a dice esque deck in a kuso deck that i dont need

[tame maple]

kuso does also have enhancers.png yes, if the mod loads in the right order (random afaik) then both deck mods can work

if you're gonna go into the files and stuff then you can rewrite the deckback part by following the steamodded wiki example

i would go ask kusoro for permission to send the thing with the deckback part updated but tbh i'm tired so maybe tomorrow. kusoro also seemed opened to updating for stuff like that so idk if kuso would mind doing such a simple fix

[tame maple]

also ty thats nice to hear. i just try to answer any questions i see and am not too clueless about, that combined with keeping up with way too many threads means i answer a lot of questions

[spiral anchor]

Me too man (edit or woman i guess) going to sleep will try tinkering when i havw the time

[tame maple]

woman is preferred lol, but i see that usually as more of a gender neutral thing

[tame maple]

@spiral anchor got permission from blackbando so heres the version with the deck back thing changed

[spiral anchor]

Oh thanks a bunch you didnt have to be bothered with it

I will check it out

When i can and let you know

[spiral anchor]

Ok i just sometimes say thanks man and was like oh i dont know from just the avatar and i edited cool tho

[tame maple]

mhm, thanks for that btw the inclusivity is appreciated

and the change was really simple (like 2ish lines of code simple) so it didn't bother me really, i mostly just wanted to be able to use it myself and i had been going through and doing the same for other stuff too

[spiral anchor]

Yep the card backs work now!Got to e22 with it today!

[spiral anchor]

Uh but the saving didnt work messed it up myself and now it does

With the stakes i mean

[latent fossil]

This is really cool! Stumbled into an early oops all sixes and ended up with 2 Lucky cats at over 75x mult each 🙂 \

[spiral anchor]

If anyones stakes dont work when you win I have the fix on top of coros fix

[tame maple]

huh, they don't work? what causes that?

[keen heron]

I modified this great mod to play a bit with the probability and legendary jokers.

To be more specific. At the start, you get all the jokers You can see above. They are all negatives, so it won't take any space in your run.