ShamPack

[coral sparrow]

https://github.com/GoldenEpsilon/ShamPack
Simple pack with a few jokers, a custom enhancement, and a custom tarot card!

Jokers:
Prideful Joker: Wild Cards give +8 Mult when Scored
Slothful Joker: Mild Cards give +8 Mult when Scored
Envious Joker: Played cards with ??? suit give +8 Mult when scored
Unstable Joker: Becomes a new Joker card every round

Tarot Cards:
The Haters: Enhances up to 5 selected cards into a Mild Card

Enhancements:
Mild Card - Does not belong to any suit

Mainly for a combination idea dump and showcase of how to add jokers and other items into the game.

[fringe nymph]

(note: we're working on Envious Joker still because it requires More Stuff to actually do well)

[solid kraken]

Lmao the haters

Very neat on paper

[fringe nymph]

it might stay as The Haters, but we might move it to a spectral card if I end up with good ideas (or if someone has a good idea to make it work within the spectral theme)

We also have some ideas for Blinds that I'll cook up sprites for later:

The Hunger - Played cards have their rank reduced by 1.
The Virus - Two random cards in your deck are replaced by the first scored card of each hand. Enhancements are not copied.
The Ruin - Played cards are destroyed.
The Reaper - Played cards have their enhancements removed.

[fringe nymph]

alternative idea to the spectral card though, is to just make an entire set of reversed tarot cards a la binding of isaac: repentance where the effects are remixed in some way

[coral sparrow]

btw I'm very curious how useful other people find the add_item function I made

it consolidates a lot of the setup people needed to do into one place

[solid kraken]

What if you used Prudence, XVII, from Minchiate tarot? That deck has some other trumps ala world, lovers, etc. Haters has comedic value tho

Reversed is a nice thought and might work with more types in deck , hard to fill in all 22 blanks

[fringe nymph]

I'll have to do more research into this-- if you want to contribute ideas and such, feel free! We're just going to make stuff for this as we both have the time and energy to do so

[solid kraken]

Perhaps, my energy comes in waves too , we'll see . I do wanna contribute to the mod scene

[coral sparrow]

gonna note that for ideas for this the more ridiculous the better - I get more momentum implementing things I shouldn't be able to than things I should

[fringe nymph]

yeah if you have truly terrible, rancid ideas-- this is the place for them

[solid kraken]

Joker that flips and changes to an entirely random joker every round (or even hand)
Fuck em up

[fringe nymph]

oooh, that'd be a banger actually

the flipping could be times mult or be times chips

[solid kraken]

When you play 5 mild cards, is it a flush?

[fringe nymph]

it's a high card, because they have no suit

they're made just like stone cards

[solid kraken]

Could have Drab Joker - +# Mult if 5 mild cards are played and scored

Like, a flush that's useless as one

[fringe nymph]

also going to leave this very vague & stupid teaser for an upcoming idea we're ironing out

[solid kraken]

Oooooooo

[coral sparrow]

I'd be down for that

sham gimme a name and sprite and I'll implement it

[fringe nymph]

Later

[fringe nymph]

also it'd need to have an interaction with that one final boss blind

that flips and shuffles your jokers

to make it use the side that ISN'T being shown

[little arch]

omh a jokars mod

good jop

[coral sparrow]

oh, I was figuring it'd just regenerate itself each time

[little arch]

the way you fix atlases do you know if that'd work the same way for deck backs?

[glossy goblet]

what is the point of mild enhancement?

i don't quite get it

[coral sparrow]

I like doing jank code way too much

[coral sparrow]

Vampire, Slothful Joker, and removing enhancements you don't want like Stone Card

oh, and Driver's License

so it's very indirect in being good

[coral sparrow]

it should!

or, actually, no

but something similar should

[little arch]

Actually this is awesome

I think you should make it a probability tho

[little arch]

Alright thank you I'll look into it

[coral sparrow]

maybe - I think it cycling quickly is actually to its benefit, though

[solid kraken]

Have you managed to make custom shaders in-engine ?

Also cool to make it an effect like that

[coral sparrow]

I haven't done it yet but I don't get why that'd be hard

there are already the base game shader files, making more is just a question of coding new shaders

[glossy goblet]

isn't that oddly specific?

[solid kraken]

It would be considerable effort but, some sort of palette limiter/posterization that layers over the unstable card to keep one visual style but still reflect it changing

[glossy goblet]

a whole mechanic just to be used with 3 jokers

[coral sparrow]

I mean, it was moreso for the sake of making a custom enhancement

trailblazing and all that

[solid kraken]

Would also let you build a 5oak deck without accidentally changing to 5flush which would disrupt streaks, dodge your planet levelling, etc

[glossy goblet]

it's like a placeholder?

you testing the waters I mean

right?

[solid kraken]

it's for fun

[coral sparrow]

it's not meant to be a Well Balanced And Designed effect, it's meant to be something cool and fun while things are figured out

[solid kraken]

You consider adding some silly seals ?

[coral sparrow]

I'm probably going to be doing seals at some point too, I mainly need an idea and the time for it

[glossy goblet]

well balanced and/or designed effects are the most fun!

[coral sparrow]

since I have a growing backlog of what I want to do

[solid kraken]

Nods nods

[coral sparrow]

not as much fun to make as just throwing things together IMO

[glossy goblet]

I'd personally recommend taking more time and coming up with something that could be broadly used and have a lot of interesting synergies

[coral sparrow]

I'm Not Trying To Make A Designed Mod

I'm trying to make tools and concepts that other people can take from for THEIR designed mods

[glossy goblet]

ahhh

I see I see

sry

[coral sparrow]

no worries lul

[solid kraken]

Reflective Seal - When played, destroy this card. All other played cards become Glass
would be a seal effect and change cards per hand

[coral sparrow]

I've made my fair share of balanced mods in other games, this is just me having fun Doing Things

[solid kraken]

shrug I have a bunch of silly seal ideas and once there's enough of a foothold I wanna try making a few

They're cool...

[coral sparrow]

yoooo that's a neat seal

I don't think it needs to change cards though

[solid kraken]

I'm gonna make a separate thread to not put too much in here
But I've always wanted a type of consumable for seals. Like a sticker page that you can buy and use like the spectral seal cards

[coral sparrow]

I'mma note that it's probably totally doable to make custom layers of effects, too - in essence another type of addon similar to seals and enhancements

[solid kraken]

Oooooooooooo

Sleeved cards that can't be destroyed or modified but do something ..

[coral sparrow]

Sleeves is a good one

also has funny interactions with effects that make cards face down

[solid kraken]

True

[glossy goblet]

I'd say the most fun could be stacking different seals and to prevent bosses from messing things up I suggest this idea for a new Enhancement:

Digital
Can obtain one of each seal. Can't be debuffed or destroyed*.

Jokers with seals?

nah, I'm dummy

sry

it's supposed to be called enhancement

right?

[coral sparrow]

seals and enhancements are different

[glossy goblet]

ik ik I confused editions with enhancements

[coral sparrow]

also the main issue with this is that it'd need seals to be completely recoded to work

the internals are designed around there being only one

it'd probably be easier if you made a completely new kind of card addon for that

although a card not being able to be debuffed or destroyed is kinda nutty as-is

[glossy goblet]

yeah, it can sometimes save your playing card that has special edition and/or seal but that's quite specific (helpful only against bosses), so stacking seals is basically the main feature

[coral sparrow]

well, no, if it's immune to being destroyed that means you can do shenanigans like "sacrificing" it to jokers that destroy cards over and over

[glossy goblet]

if Joker requires a card to be destroyed, then his effect won't activate since this card can't be destroyed

or am I missing smth?

[coral sparrow]

that's not how all jokers (and similar) work

for example, take the spectral card for destroying 5 cards for $20

if you had a hand full of digital enhancements then none would be destroyed for a free $20

[glossy goblet]

true true

damn, that's a lot to keep track of

when making new stuff

[coral sparrow]

yup, it's part of why I'm not worrying about balancing - it's always going to be imbalanced in some way and that's the point

it's part of what makes games like balatro tick

[glossy goblet]

[fringe nymph]

we're just making stuff because we think it's fun

Balance is secondary to Fun

[fringe nymph]

so this joker is getting his own custom sprite (Unstable Joker):

[coral sparrow]

this guy's on the github now

[fringe nymph]

OH GOD INCANTATION CAN SPAWN MILD CARDS

[coral sparrow]

Oh

that's a thing

[fringe nymph]

I mean yeah it should be but also oh god it can spawn mild cards

it works as intended and that's frightening really

also I don't think our jokers are spawning, I would've though I would've hit one by now

[coral sparrow]

Hmm.

I'll do some debug testing and see if I can wrangle up a natural spawn

Hmm, I haven't come across any of them yet, I'll look into it later though

it'd be really odd if the tarot card worked and the jokers didn't

[fringe nymph]

yeah I've been playing for an hour and haven't hit any of them

[coral sparrow]

Huh. I'll have to do a deep dive to figure out what's going on, if anything

I'm doing that later, though

[fringe nymph]

Mod got updated. The jokers can actually show up in gameplay now!

[glossy goblet]

I made a couple Jokers. You can use them if you want!
Hope I can contribute something

I'll very likely be making more in the future

[coral sparrow]

If you want the original effect ideas you had implemented, do you want to put them here? That way I can just check this channel for it rather than try and find your original posts

[glossy goblet]

Sure!

give me a second

Clown Pennywise
If first hand of the round scores 2, 3, 4 or 5, destroy them and gain +2 Mult for each. (Currently +0 Mult)

Mr. Jay
When you sell a Joker, gain its effects. After beating the Boss Blind, loses all gained effects.
(effects trigger in the order in which respective Jokers were sold) <- that's a clarification, not a part of the Joker's description

[coral sparrow]

👍

[fringe nymph]

Hm, Pennywise has an anti-synergy with Hack which is interesting

I would personaly make Mr. Jay be sold or destroyed as well

[glossy goblet]

Pennywise eats little kids (2, 3, 4 and 5s)

[glossy goblet]

After boss blind?

[fringe nymph]

Well there's a fair number of jokers that want to destroy other jokers

Make Mr Jay piggyback off of them

[glossy goblet]

How the effect would look like then?

(im a bit consfused)

[fringe nymph]

The same as what you have, but the jokers that have their effects added can be sold OR destroyed

[glossy goblet]

ohhhh

sounds neat

[glossy goblet]

Split

[glossy goblet]

Thanks to community suggestions we came up with this for Split:

When Glass card breaks, add 2 copies of it to your deck. (5 triggers left)

[coral sparrow]

Oh, I'm gonna note, I'm still going to be doing the suggested jokers and stuff when I get around to it, but I'm gonna be making it in a separated mod from this

when I get a few of them done I'll make a post for that

[glossy goblet]

sure thing!

[glossy goblet]

Stone Mask

Stone cards gain Foil, Holographic or Polychrome edition when played.
(Chosen randomly)

[coral sparrow]

ShamPack is now updated to Balamod!

no new features yet since I wanted to get Balamod up and running as a prerequisite for some of the stuff I was doing

there are some niceties, though - for example, I only need a 1x version of a sprite because of how my custom API works!

[fringe nymph]

(and that means I have to press one less keyboard shortcut!)

[ancient meteor]

Hi
Since the new update the mod won't work with Steamodded at all, right? Sorry if its obvious

[coral sparrow]

It will not, the only way to use it on steamodded is to roll back to the previous version

I might look into adding a way for it to work on both eventually, but there's stuff I want to do that I can't do on steamodded basically at all

(specifically fancier joker descriptions)

[ancient meteor]

Thanks. Sad, too much stuff do not support this loader (yet?).

[glossy goblet]

If first played poker hand of the round is a Straight, destroy all cards scored in it.
(Poker hand changes every round)

[fallen leaf]

Any way to make the new Sham Pack work with the new steammodded? It's still the general mod loader since almost every mod requires it :/

[coral sparrow]

Not really - as-is there aren't new features, but starting the next version I'm gonna be adding stuff that I wouldn't be able to with steamodded

[fringe nymph]

I still have a copy of the newest (and defunct) version of ShamPack that was on Steamodded, so I'll drop that here in a second

[fallen leaf]

That makes sense. Hoping maybe the two loaders get integrated somehow and or easier to install. As of now, on steam deck, both are basically unusable as they can’t be injected into the exe on Linux. Currently relying on another user to give me their steamodded injected exe when they can 😅

[coral sparrow]

Balamod works on linux, since steam deck runs arch

steamodded should too, if you use the python injector

[fallen leaf]

Huh…I’ve struggled with the directions on both ends but I guess I’ll keep trying. Good to know they should work at least.

[coral sparrow]

yeah, both are slightly finnicky, but the balamod one is at least pretty much what it describes itself as - download the executable, throw it into the balatro directory (so it can see Balatro.exe), chmod it, and then run it with -a as a parameter

(chmod +x balamod-v0.1.9-linux to make it so you can run it)

[fallen leaf]

Will give that a shot! Hopefully I can figure out how to do the steammodded one as well cause to my knowledge I’d still need that one for most other mods? Or remind me do steammodded mods run with balamod too?

[coral sparrow]

currently steamodded and balamod are incompatible, seems like effort is being done to fix that though

[fallen leaf]

I'll try balamod next, but did the install directions for linux for steamodded inn konsole and got this: fatal: destination path 'Steamodded' already exists and is not an empty directory.

And balamod's install with your or the git hub's directions basically returned this fom Konsole: chmod: cannot access 'balamod-v0.1.9-linux': No such file or directory

[coral sparrow]

make sure you were in the right directory with konsole

[fallen leaf]

Huh, apologies but how do I make sure I’m in the right directory? Do I do anything besides clicking the Konsole icon like usual?

[coral sparrow]

so, konsole is what's known as a terminal emulator
and the thing with terminals is that they are kinda like file explorers, where they have a "current directory"

the way you switch directories is with the cd command, and the way you see what files and folders are where you are is with the ls command

so what you should do is cd ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Balatro/, since that'll take you to the right directory

and you should see in the terminal that you've navigated there because of the part of the line before where you put in commands

[fallen leaf]

Oh that makes sense! Ok I’d always wondered what the line before my commands was for. I’ll test this out when I can thanks so much!

[coral sparrow]

👍 no worries! I highly recommend goofing around with the command line (SAFELY, of course, don't rm -rf (delete) all your stuff,,,) to learn how it all works, since there's a lot of cool things you can do once you feel comfortable with it (building programs from source code, using imagemagick for shenanigans, etc)

[bright spear]

Very impressing idea！So your cards have already added to ShamPack now？btw，in what software have you done the pixel painting of your artwork？

[glossy goblet]

Can't confirm anything since @coral sparrow is in charge of everything.
I'm using Aseprite for pixel art

[bright spear]

oh thanks, I found out Aseprite has been gathering dust in my Steam Library for a while

[wary trail]

at some point can i ask for help making my own jokers? i have a huge list of like 50 i want to add and can’t figure out how to code them in, even looking at the source code of other joker packs

[fringe nymph]

We decided that we're going to split community jokers off into a separate pack, and that ShamPack is going to maintain its own balance, but feel free to keep discussing them here!

[bright spear]

good to hear, so the community jokers is only open for @glossy goblet or unlimited？

[fringe nymph]

It's for everyone, it's just that I don't know when Golden Epsilon is gonna get around to it; He's mostly doing this for fun so he's just gonna do what sounds fun to program & make

Like I said, the main reason for the split is that I want to try and keep ShamPack tight-knit within its own additional mechanics (and we have some wild plans) & make sure the mod is balanced in a way I feel is good. I wouldn't be against adding community suggestions to ShamPack, but I would want to handle the balancing of those ideas

[bright spear]

Yea I totally agree you

[fringe nymph]

The Community Jokers Pack, whenever it is made, probably isn't going to be balanced as strictly as ShamPack will be

[fringe nymph]

Things like this, for example, aren't quite balanced the way I like, but there are similar effects getting added to ShamPack

[fringe nymph]

Basically this, you can continue to pitch ideas here but unless I really like it, it's going to get deferred to the other mod

& since we've got a fair number of cool mechanics planned, it might be best to wait until we get those rolled out to suggest/make jokers specifically for ShamPack. Again, feel free to continue pitching community jokers in here, because that's how he's keeping track of suggestions & adding them to the other mod

[bright spear]

Thanks dude. I'll open a new post and share links to you guys. There are about 25 jokers in the list which is based on funny mechanics with reference to reality. Things like "Black Friday", "Photosynthesis".

[coral sparrow]

yeah, as-is my goal is to get enough momentum to finish one of sham's jokers I've been putting off along with a few of the inverse tarot cards then set up a post and make some community jokers for fun

(and it basically would be "bring your own art, name, and idea, and I'll make a version of it") (although I'd hold the right to make modifications to the initial implementation if I think it'll work better a certain way ingame)

[fringe nymph]

shhh, they're not meant to know about the inverse tarot cards yet

that reminds me, I need to make a sprite for that one thing

[coral sparrow]

...the haters is already in the mod

[fringe nymph]

yeah but like, there was the potential for that to just be a one-off because it was funny

[vagrant fjord]

so i am trying to bridge this gap between artists and programmers too but for me personally, in this discord its so hard to keep up with all the threads

[coral sparrow]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1215516228525760543
There we go!

yeah, I can agree with that, currently I'm limiting the scope of where I interact so I'm even more sheltered than I imagine most are here

[vagrant fjord]

so idk if i can promo it so no worries if it must be deleted but its literally just me, another artist from fan art in another discord with a lot if good jokers already made, and two other programmer to split the load and basically we all just want to do idea trades and help each other make whatever jokers we want with good art along with it

i could also redirect them to your community joker pack thread! but if you feel like you might be taking on too big of a project, my goal is to try and create a hub for this sort of thing to happen a little bit more organized than the whole of the balatro discord

i still intend on posting here too! just realize that theres so many people that want the same thing but huge discords can be so active, hard to find the right thread

[coral sparrow]

two things to note:

• The talk here about custom joker suggestions is intended to shift over there, as sham has an idea for a full pack so we're splitting it
• I am fully intending the community joker pack to be something anyone can add onto, and if you want to merge efforts I put out in the guidelines for it a whole setup where anyone can add jokers to it if they want to via PR, people can collab on effects and sprites as long as they combine it all into one submission, etc

[coral sparrow]

by the way, just updated GE_API to work with dynamic card descriptions, so that's one of the major things I was waiting on for new content/working on the community joker pack done

[fringe nymph]

new teaser:

coming to a shampack update Eventually™️

[ebon raven]

SCOOBY DOO???

[fringe nymph]

you're taking it too literally I think

[sick egret]

how did you add jokers?

[coral sparrow]

you can take a look at the code for yourself to see

[fringe nymph]

this is everything that is currently planned to be added, pending some adjustments made to stuff, rebalancing, and suggestions to change some effects

Ethereal might get changed to a card Edition if it doesn't feel good as an Enhancement

there's definitely a case to be made that it should be an edition, but that means we have to make a shader for it and I don't know how we'd do that well with just the two of us

[craggy coral]

how would you get Ethereal cards

[fringe nymph]

two of the Reverse Tarot effects generate them

(as it stands, the currently implemented Mild Cards have two methods to generate them and are surprisingly useful considering the effect is so simple)

if any of this strikes your fancy and seems like it'd be fun to code, feel free to give it a shot and I'd be more than happy to make you part of the team for the mod, or at the very least a trusted contributor for it

(currently, all of the spriting is my job, and actual implementation is Golden Epsilon's job, and he's got a lot of projects he's juggling atm)

[craggy coral]

I have my toes in too many places atm so I don't think I would be able to commit to working on a big mod like this atm unfortunately

op, sounds like a similar situation to Epsilon lol

[fringe nymph]

we're literally just making stuff Whenever We Feel Like It

like the entire mod started on a whim when he had the idea to make a modloader, we found out one already existed, and then we both started laughing at the idea of mild cards + The Haters

[craggy coral]

lmao

what do mild cards do

[fringe nymph]

the literal opposite of wild cards-- they make a card act as though they have NO suit

which means they aren't debuffed by boss blinds that debuff suits, don't contribute to flushes, don't trigger jokers that do stuff with suits, etc.

[craggy coral]

Reverse Judgement could say "Destroy a random Joker. Gain a random Joker of a higher rarity" maybe

[fringe nymph]

it's a really simple effect, but it's a REALLY powerful one considering how simple it is and how easy it is to get them

[craggy coral]

that's interesting

[fringe nymph]

(the other effect in the mod that produces Mild cards is Vince Joker, who applies it to scored cards when you play a Flush, in exchange for $5)

and, because it's an enhancement, it can be generated by anything else that would create cards with enhancements, since it's literally just in that pool and thus can be pulled to be put on cards

it also gets stripped away by Vampire giving another way to feed that joker

vince joker btw, I'm pretty proud of this sprite

[craggy coral]

that looks awesome holy bursh

[fringe nymph]

wait hold on I have a better way to showcase all these

[craggy coral]

Comedy and Tragedy seem very underpowered

but the sprites all look great

[fringe nymph]

they can trigger multiple times in one hand

but we'll probably bump the numbers up anyway

[craggy coral]

what if you make it like, an individual card hunt?

[fringe nymph]

that's what Idol does

(which is a basegame joker)

[craggy coral]

it wouldn't be a "turn your deck into one of the same card" type of card hunt though

[fringe nymph]

this one isn't meant to be good as much as it is the potential for a huge dopamine hit when it goes off five times in one hand

[craggy coral]

it could start as Tragedy and say When you play or discard the <card>, flip to Comedy Joker. Card changes at the start of each round and then Comedy could be X3 Mult, flips back to tragedy at the end of the round.
Maybe this would make more sense as like, a Treasure Map and a Treasure chest though than comedy and tragedy, since you already have a planned identity for those

[fringe nymph]

you're cooking with that

we're already making Ethereal cards, so making a card that ALWAYS self destructs at the end of a round couldn't be much harder to do

[craggy coral]

oh this would be a joker effect not a card effect

[fringe nymph]

no no no

you cooked, but I'm improving it

Treasure Map
"At the start of each round, add a Treasure Chest to your deck. Whenever you play a Treasure Chest, this card permanently gains x1 Mult."

Treasure Chests are always destroyed at the end of each round.

[craggy coral]

x1 mult scaling is insane 😅

[fringe nymph]

digging for a single card in your deck is quite a task

[craggy coral]

maybe x.25 would be cool tho

[fringe nymph]

actually this would probably go dummy hard with something like Hologram

(which would already want you to be adding cards anyway)

[craggy coral]

or DNA

[fringe nymph]

true

[craggy coral]

or death cards

or a small deck

[fringe nymph]

well the thing is

copying the treasure chest would be pointless because it's destroyed at the end of the round anyway

[craggy coral]

no it's not

[fringe nymph]

so I guess it's like a strange avenue to thin your deck out

[craggy coral]

you get + xmult and destroy a card

[fringe nymph]

so I guess it benefits both Hologram AND erosion

[craggy coral]

cuz it's per play not the first time you play it

[fringe nymph]

which is... really weird to think about

[craggy coral]

what is hologram?

[fringe nymph]

probably should get bumped to something like x0.1 mult considering that

[fringe nymph]

gains x0.25 mult every time a card is added to your deck

[craggy coral]

I think it should be .25x to start and see where to go from there

oooh yeah

stone joker already does that too tho

sorry marble

[fringe nymph]

certificate also adds a card to your deck every round

yeah treasure map would absolutely need to have 0.1x scaling

because there's a lot of ways to dupe cards now that I think about it

[craggy coral]

I don't think you need to worry about that though

[fringe nymph]

what i AM surprised by is that people are not pointing out the understated chicanery of Reverse Hanged Man

[craggy coral]

because they would go away every round

Reverse Hanged Man should probably just be Cryptid lol

[fringe nymph]

no no

it's distinctly different

sometimes you don't care what kind of card it is, you just need to add a card

cryptid is a lot more targeted and is much harder to get into a consumable slot

[craggy coral]

I suppose

[fringe nymph]

originally, that was a Mega Standard Pack

[craggy coral]

couldn't it also just say "open a standard booster pack"?

[fringe nymph]

I specifically want it to be a consumable

[craggy coral]

wouldn't it still be with that effect?

[fringe nymph]

because there's multiple jokers that scale off of booster packs in one way or another

AND I want to enable Shenanigans involving Perkeo

[craggy coral]

wait

would it add the booster pack to the consumables??

I thought it was adding it to the packs section

[fringe nymph]

I specifically made the wording comply with all the effects in the basegame that add things to your consumables specifically so that people would be just a slight bit unsure about where the booster pack would go until they used it for the first time :)

(but yes, it puts it in your consumables, if we're even able to do that.)

if we can't do that, then we're going to have to rework that one

I want it to feel like that moment that people experience the first time they play Binding of Isaac: Repentance, and find out that some characters have active items in their consumable slots in that game

[craggy coral]

i getchya

[glossy goblet]

Black seal could be like:

When scored, trigger the ability of a random Joker of yours.

[fringe nymph]

nope

black seal is locked in to do specifically that, only the sprite is pending adjustments because uh

It's only as black as the cards in Balatro get, if that makes sense

[glossy goblet]

such effect can go so hard with Jokers that are hard to activate, like 6th Sense

but oh well

[glossy goblet]

we've yet to see Green seal

[fringe nymph]

I'm not adding that because I don't think that's a good idea, that seems too strong to add onto cards as a side effect of an ability designed to make the card self destruct after a while

[craggy coral]

Green Seal could be the "Counts as any rank or suit for Joker abilities"

[glossy goblet]

Also, what is the point of current Black Seal?

[fringe nymph]

makes the card self destruct after 3 rounds

[glossy goblet]

why

[fringe nymph]

Hubris

[glossy goblet]

What is Hubris?

[fringe nymph]

sure you can put an edition on your joker, but at what cost?

Reminder that this mod is trying to balance around itself, but is ultimately trying to be Fun and Goofy

[glossy goblet]

I'm not following your thoughts here

[fringe nymph]

not all effects are designed to be widely good, some of them are going to be VERY niche and will have their uses

[craggy coral]

I feel like just destroying a card would be the same and you could make the black seal do something else that's cooler

[glossy goblet]

We have glass cards for deck thining

and they actually do something

[fringe nymph]

please read the effect of Reverse Wheel of Fortune

[craggy coral]

oooh yeah that makes sense

seals on jokers is a new design space

[fringe nymph]

glass cards don't have a guaranteed chance to be destroyed

it's a 1 in 4 and at best a 1 in 2

Black Seal GUARANTEES it is destroyed, and is also gonna get slapped on jokers

[craggy coral]

what if you replaced Black Seal's effect with the Eternal effect, and then Black Stake could add Black Seals to jokers randomly?

[glossy goblet]

you still get fat x2 mult tho

with black seals you get nothing

[fringe nymph]

don't make me tap the sign

Not Everything Needs To Be Beneficial

[glossy goblet]

There's nothing fun in black seals as far as I understand

???

[glossy goblet]

Isn't there enough bs rng in the game that makes you suffer?

I don't get this logic

[fringe nymph]

I don't think you need to understand my logic to understand that this is my mod and I can add what I want to it

if you don't like that, please leave

[glossy goblet]

I'm here discussing it with you, not throwing hands at you

[fringe nymph]

you also like, didn't like the idea of Mild Cards

but they're incredibly useful even though they seem niche and pointless

look at everything that is there and then think about how ALL of it can be used

[glossy goblet]

Vampire - sure
Slothful Joker - sure
Drivers license - not really because why would you create Mild cards (whatever is the source of them) when you can just use Empress, Hierophant etc.?

And that's all

[fringe nymph]

I did a run w/ Mild Cards + Driver's License and it was insane, actually

[craggy coral]

you get 5 mild at once

[fringe nymph]

again, think about what mild cards are actually doing

and how that affects things in the game

it's way, way WAY stronger than you think it is

[glossy goblet]

No suit or rank means that they are Stone cards without +chips upside

[fringe nymph]

actually-- have you even played the mod?

[fringe nymph]

...they only lose their suit though?

[glossy goblet]

Oh, sure
they are good for flushes, and flushes only (wild card enhancement already exists for that purpose, right?)

oh wait

no suits???

[fringe nymph]

yes, it REMOVES their suit

think about that and how that changes things

[glossy goblet]

Does it? You just debuffed your card

[fringe nymph]

suddenly, all these cards that would normally be useless agains specific boss blinds are usable AND they contribute to other stuff

keep in mind that Wild Cards have their own downsides-- in some cases, it makes a card worse

[glossy goblet]

4 bosses out of 30+ are now in shambles? That's its 1st upside, what else?

[fringe nymph]

• Contributes to Vampire, Driver's License, and one of the modded jokers
• It can just be overridden by a different enhancement when it's no longer needed
• Useful in niche builds when you want to play a specific kind of hand without the flush version of it getting in the way

[craggy coral]

five of a kind vs flush fives when you've been upgrading five of a kind can be an issue

especially if you keep duping the same card

[fringe nymph]

like I said, I think if you actually play the mod you'll understand that it's surprisingly useful to have this since you get so many all at once & they're pretty easy to come by

[glossy goblet]

1. 3 out of 150+ Jokers have "synergy" with objectively debuffed cards (even though it's not worth it to pick Mild enhancement over any other to progress towards Drivers License)
2. Override at any point is not an upside or anything, that's just how all enhancements work
3. This one and 4 out 30+ bosses counter thingy are the only two real upsides to this detrimental enhancement

From what I see it either will never be worth using this enhancement or you really need to create a huge load of different effects that synerged with Mild cards (and I don't see any of that so far)

[fringe nymph]

I don't think I want you here giving suggestions for my mod if you're going to be so closed minded about something that you literally don't have to interact with in any way

[glossy goblet]

Close minded is not agreeing with you on everything? You listed very very niche things as «upsides» and telling that this is enough.
Sure, I will not elaborate any further but please, be yourself open minded to other's feedback

gl with your mod

[fringe nymph]

but yeah keep in mind when giving feedback folks:

1. I don't have to accept or even listen to your suggestions. It's my mod, and what I want for it is ultimately going to be what goes into it.
2. Things are meant to be Fun and Goofy, and balance & usefulness are going to be secondary to that. Not everything has to be useful, there's space for things to just be funny. That's what modding is for!
3. Please, play the mod before giving feedback and suggestions. I'm fairly confident that I'll be able to tell whether or not you've actually played it and seen what everything does.
4. Do not try and force your ideas on me. You will simply just be asked to leave. If you want something added that badly, go and make your own mod.

[fringe nymph]

and, ultimately, another facet of the mod is going to be our attempts to do REALLY wacky stuff and see just how far we can push the boundaries of what is possible before the game starts to fall apart

[fringe nymph]

And to be more specific on the "Fun" part-- we're making something that we as the mod devs think would be fun/funny. Whether or not you find our mod content to be fun is up to you, we aren't going to change it just because it doesn align with your personal preferences. That would be absurd and would frankly not make it our mod anymore.

[fringe nymph]

performed the dangerous act known as "thinking" while I went and got dinner:

• Ethereal and Eternal should BOTH be Editions (in regards to normal playing cards) so that they are mutually exclusive and no shenanigans happen with that.
• This means that Ethereal cards can still have their enhancements, which is really great considering that they're produced as the result of copying a card-- it'd feel bad to have this cool temporary card and not have it work fully as expected.
• This also opens up some really cool new design space.

[fringe nymph]

spoilers for one of our upcoming legendaries

art is unfinished, but we're getting there

[hallow willow]

Dose the API work with steam modded?
(Haven't play the mod, just want to use the API for my own mod, of course with credit)

[fringe nymph]

@coral sparrow this is a you question

[coral sparrow]

Roll back to the version that works with steamodded and it does

but I switched to balamod because I wanted features for the api that don't work well otherwise (specifically better joker descriptions)

[fringe nymph]

This!

[hallow willow]

Oh nice! I'm using the API because it looks very easy to use

[coral sparrow]

Sounds great! Lmk if you have any issues

[fringe nymph]

btw, legendary jonklers coming Eventually™️

[fallen leaf]

Looks like this mod doesn't work anymore? Just getting back into modding...one of my fave packs 😦