As title states, I was doing a Jokerless challenge run and Verdant Leaf activated its gimmick, practically nulling my whole deck
#Verdant Leaf still activates its gimmick if you have never acquired any Jokers throughout the run
topaz hearth
Because I really don't feel like doing this challenge a second time (because it could be Leaf again), I'm just gonna wait until this is fixed
royal valley
This is not a bug. Verdant leaf requires you to sell a joker to remove the debuff from your cards. In order to sell a joker, you must have acquired a joker.
topaz hearth
But this was not the case in the demo.
If you had never acquired a joker, its gimmick simply didn't activate.
Needing to sell a joker, in a challenge where you CAN'T get any jokers, is simply not something that should be a thing
It used to be why people could do Jokerless in the demo - Leaf didn't activate if you had never acquired a single joker
I did that in the past, and I can vouch it used to be like that
urban topaz
with a demo being a more expansive playtest, you can't expect things to be identical in the full release
topaz hearth
Why would you changw -this- though
You can't sell a joker if you can't get any jokers
urban topaz
I wouldn't, as worded it makes sense. although I agree that it almost completely neuters a jokerless run, there is still workaround
topaz hearth
And you're not always gonna get the tape, or enough money to buy the tape
Of course there are workarounds, but they should not be a requirement
"Oh you got Leaf as the boss, and you never saw the casette tape, guess you die"
urban topaz
when you impose a strict challenge, there is going to be many scenarios requiring a workaround
I don't think you understand how restrictive jokerless is
topaz hearth
Sorry if I sound upset - but that's because I am
urban topaz
I do get that you're upset over losing a jokerless run to the final boss, but you attempted a pretty difficult challenge, so it's not that unreasonable
topaz hearth
But I didn't lose because of the challenge itself
I lost because of the game wanting something of me that I couldn't even do
urban topaz
a boss shouldn't be reworked simply because of 1 single challenge run
urban topaz
if it was a built in challenge, then yeah, I could see that happening
it would also be considerably easier if it was actually a built in challenge, since jokers just wouldn't show up in the shop, taking up space
topaz hearth
...what do you mean
urban topaz
if it was a built in challenge, the restricted jokers would be, well, all of them
that means they can't show up in the shop
which means, more tarots, planets, and playing cards (if you get the voucher)
which are the bread and butter of a jokerless run
urban topaz
not exactly, in a self imposed jokerless, you can still find jokers in the store, taking up space
which can deny a tarot or planet
which are vastly more important to this run
topaz hearth
???
urban topaz
I am not sure what other way I can word this
In a jokerless run (self imposed) there will be many times where you cannot buy from the standard shop (boosters and vouchers excluded), in a supported run, you will always have valid purchases from the standard shop
topaz hearth
I'm just gonna wait until this is changed in a future update, if this even is changed.
Sorry for wasting your time
urban topaz
I highly doubt it will ever get changed, and don't worry about it, if I felt I was wasting my time, I would just leave
vague gorge
if it was a built in challenge, the restricted jokers would be, well, all of the...
Jokerless is a built in challenge
pale anvil
if it was a built in challenge, the restricted jokers would be, well, all of the...
Gotta agree with op on this
weak ocean
This is not a bug. Verdant leaf requires you to sell a joker to remove the debuf...
The bug is that this happens even in the built-in challenge deck where you can't obtain jokers.
royal valley
The bug is that this happens even in the built-in challenge deck where you can't...
Verdant leaf doesn't know what challenge your on. Hard coding verdant leaf to not follow the rules of the game as an exception means that the player experience will be inconsistent with the rest of the game.
pale anvil
Surely you could force the boss to be bell or vessel
royal valley
It's possible. Id rather see Verdant leaf be impossible to find on the challenge than have verdant leaf behave differently under special circumstances
drowsy iron
If you had never acquired a joker, its gimmick simply didn't activate.
I remember in the september demo it always debuffed
young pike
heavy cliff
I haven't done this challenge yet, but I would definitely not be happy about this either. That RNG is pretty unmanageable, and punishes deep into the run... Agree that "Verdant leaf will not appear" should be added as a modified/custom rule
pale anvil
I think only bell and vessel should show up, cuz the other 3 are joker related
urban topaz
then that's my mistake, I've only unlocked 3 extra challenges past the first 5, it was never made clear that it was an actual in game challenge
heavy cliff
I haven't done this challenge yet, but I would definitely not be happy about thi...
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How has this not been addressed yet, I am honestly pretty mad about this, I should have just waited for a patch
I have been going at this challange for hours and when I finally reach Ante 8 with a good shot at winning I get this boss
This is my only challenge left, and there is no way I am spending another 3 hours just to get to 20% chance to just lose
I would have literally have won :(
Is this even a issue getting fixed? There is a "Not a bug" tag