#Daily Discussion #34 - Envious, Slothful, Prideful Joker Brainstorm

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It's been a while since we did one of these, since the January Demo came out, so let's get one last one in before 1.0.

It's a "brainstorm", but it's just for fun, not necessarily for any practical purpose, unless you want to count modding in the future.

There are the Wrathful, Lusty, Gluttonous, and Greedy Jokers, but that only covers 4 out of the 7 deadly sins. Of course, there are no more suits to make Jokers for, but that doesn't mean we can't come up with ideas for the other 3 deadly sins anyways.

What ideas can you come up with for these jokers? They can try to be similar to the other 3 jokers, or they can be completely new effects, or somewhere in between. The 4 sinful jokers are meant for inspiration, not for having set of strict rules.

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I am still willing to be flexible on these topics if there are objections.

hoary venture
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just add 3 more suits smh

main wraith
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true

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/thread

hoary venture
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this will have no impact on the rest of the game

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trust

outer charm
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Prideful Joker: +4 mult for each card with distinct suit played and scored
Envious Joker: +4 mult for each enhanced card played and scored
Slothful Joker: +10 mult for each card with seal played and scored

main wraith
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interesting ideas

outer charm
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I really want to keep something with +4 but seals and editions are too rare for that

radiant cave
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is it like flower pot where if u have all 4 suits it gives +4 mult per card?

outer charm
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If you play a hand that contains only Hearts and Clubs it’ll give +8 mult

radiant cave
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ohh isee

outer charm
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If you play a hand that triggers flower pot it’ll give +16 mult

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And it’s when scored like with the deadly sin jokers

open eagle
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Prideful joker: +20 mult when no discards used

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Envious joker: +20 mult, -5 mult per unique suit

main wraith
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envious still pushing flushes i see lol

open eagle
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that suit is just envious of the other suits being used

main wraith
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fair enough

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is it +15 base because the first suit is unique?

open eagle
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yeah, seems to strong otherwise

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but didnt know how to word it that the -5 mult would only work from seconds suit on

main wraith
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ah

open eagle
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also massive stone card synergy

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which is cool

main wraith
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yeah i just realized that

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that's very interesting

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ez high card lul

radiant cave
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dont stone cards still technically retain their suit tho

dawn obsidian
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i think we can all agree the spade joker is the most useful

open eagle
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they dont have suits and ranks when being calculated

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Slothful joker: 0 mult, permanently increase mult +5 when blind skipped

radiant cave
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although actually for the main game

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its probably fine

open eagle
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maybe retroactive

main wraith
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i find that design funny

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a common incentivizing skipping for a few mult

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unconditional 20 mult can still put in some work though

limpid karma
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I approve

lavish patio
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prideful joker +10 mult for each wild card played

icy belfry
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I'd like to absolutely keep the "+4 Mult when scored" and suits themes, but that might be unbalanced on some of the designs below. First obvious one I get in mind would be considering stones the 5th suit, so;

Slothful Joker
Played Stone cards
give +4 Mult
when scored

Next, as Pride flag has many colors, I'm borrowing the idea of a Flash-oriented joker (I learnt Flash is the name of a hand with all suits + a wild card) from Math for the next one;

Prideful Joker
Played cards with
a different suit give
+4 Mult when scored
Wild would always count as a different suit, even with all 4 suits + wild to keep some Flash flavor and allow +20 Mult without retriggers.

For the last, I would like to see a cycling joker, so maybe a cycling sinful? But I find it redundant with existing sinful.

Envious Joker
Played cards with Spade suit
give +4 Mult when scored
(Next hand: Heart)
The suit will change accordingly to "standard" cyclical order ( blatrospade > balatroheart > balatroclub > balatrodiamond > blatrospade )

outer charm
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Love that Envious joker idea, as well as the rest too

main wraith
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cycling suits has the downside that converting the deck to one suit hurts it

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also you can prepare your next hand a bit easier with base deck

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so it's somewhat distinct (but maybe in need of 2 more mult)

icy belfry
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Yeah, Envious feels a bit weak because it can't benefit much from deck tailoring, but I was reluctant to break the +4 theme. Also, I fear Slothful would be too niche.

main wraith
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yeah. it does fit the theme though (no suit)

icy belfry
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Maybe Slothful could trigger on wild cards too, so they automatically trigger any sinful and giving it more targets, but then I don't see much of a reason not to allow any enhanced card and that loses the suits theme.

outer charm
dark tide
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Pretty Intresting brainstorm today, if only there was 8 sinful jokers, so we could instead have a set for mult and a set for chips (so imma diss on spades)
Slothful joker: +25 chips per diamond played (because lazy people dont get diamonds)
Envious joker: +25 chips per hearts played (love jealousy)
Prideful joker: +25 chips per club played (no real reason, just yeah)
Localthunk could just always add an extra joker that fits in with the rest so 🙃

main wraith
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lol

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make up a fake deadly sin like the fake phoenician letter

dark tide
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Mhm

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What's a bad personality trait 🤔

outer charm
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Lazy Joker

main wraith
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that's essentially sloth

open eagle
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so the last one is jimbo?

dark tide
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Grotesque

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Idk why that came to my mind

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Grotesque joker: +25 chips per spade played

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The only issue tbh is 3 jokers for each suit, but given it's similar to the "X hand played" its prolly fine right?

outer charm
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The art for these four should be the same but with colorblind colors lol

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Just to confuse people

dark tide
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Evil

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Sinful some might say