Nederlands

[ornate glacier]

Comment in this post with any feedback, issues, or bugs with this language

[copper mirage]

I think just (Nu X1 Multi) should be light gray to be the same as for English.

[foggy kayak]

agree

[copper mirage]

The translation for Creditcard makes it sound like buying it will just set your money to $-20. I think something like Mag tot $-20 in de schulden zitten would be more clear.

[foggy kayak]

all of the mult jokers say multi instead of mult not just that mult joker

[copper mirage]

The description for Flower Pot is incomplete and inconsistent (adding -card to the last two suits but not the first two). Maybe something like this:

X3 Multi als gespeelde hand een scorende ruiten-, klaveren-, harten- en schoppen-kaart bevat
The dash between the last suit and kaart isn't necessary, but I believe they've done this for clarity for other descriptions. Just like how Tarotkaart (Tarot card) would be one word, but they chose to write it as Tarot-kaart

[foggy kayak]

translation seems off, Would change to:
Als een pokerhand Straight Flush is, maak een willekeurige spectrale kaart (Moet ruimte voor zijn)

So adding a "is" in the first sentence and removing a "een" in the second sentence

also dont know for sure if seance translated to dutch is Séance

[copper mirage]

https://www.vandale.nl/gratis-woordenboek/nederlands/betekenis/seance looks like no acute accent, yeah

[foggy kayak]

zou gezichtskaart niet duidelijker zijn of denk je dat ik er teveel over nadenk

[copper mirage]

Green Joker has a typo. weggooide should be weggegooide

[foggy kayak]

fleanderp

[copper mirage]

been a while since i've heard dutch terms relating to card games so i didn't really have an opinion on it. the dutch wikipedia page for Kaartspel has these: figuurkaarten (plaatjes/honneurs/popkaarten)

figuurkaarten would be more intuitive yes

[foggy kayak]

would change from first picture to the second picture

[copper mirage]

yeah i also didn't think it added anything

it can't be to the left of it if you don't own it

[foggy kayak]

I think kopiëren fits more then verdubbelen

[copper mirage]

what's your opinion on this one? the example clearly shows 2 gaps of course, but the description sounds like you can only make 1 gap. the English description says "with gaps of". Maybe a more clear description would be

Je mag sprongen van maximaal 2 rangen maken voor Straights

[foggy kayak]

text almost gets off screen

[copper mirage]

this one i could go either way.

[foggy kayak]

I think the wording isnt clear enough, but i wouldnt know how to rewrite it in a clearer way

there is a spacing inconsistency when i compare english and dutch vouchers (2X and 2 X)

[copper mirage]

The Club boss blind (and possibly all suit blinds) make it sound like cards that are buffed somehow lose their buff. Maybe instead of "lose their buff" it could say "are deactivated" (like Alle klaverenkaarten zijn gedeactiveerd

[foggy kayak]

I would change Verdien with Krijg. its the difference between Earn and get. after you buy the voucher you get something

[copper mirage]

apparently "boss blind" is translated as "blind van een baas" and I get it, but I'm hoping there's a better translation available

[foggy kayak]

fleanderp any ideas? this one just seems off with Multikaart'en

[copper mirage]

hm, that apostrophe seems out of place

[foggy kayak]

hierophant has the same issue (bonuskaart'en)

[copper mirage]

if they want to be consistent with what they did for suits it should use a dash instead of apostrophe, or they could remove them from both Klaveren-kaart and Multikaart'en

I don't like that it says "Rethrows the boss blind", it's not clear that it's rerolling to me, but I have to think of an alternative.

[split raptor]

Don’t know any Dutch but shouldn’t this be -1 per discard?

[copper mirage]

Well spotted

Did not notice the 2 +'s, you're right

that would have annoyed some Dutch players

[foggy kayak]

was only paying attention to the spelling and not the mult part

now we know on which version to play for green joker highscores

[copper mirage]

Maybe just "Vervangt de blind van een baas met een ander". also, maybe they should just start saying boss blind instead of "blind of a boss"

[foggy kayak]

I think Veranderd de blind van de baas would fit

[copper mirage]

yes nice, so "Verandert de blind van de baas"

[foggy kayak]

a slight issue with planet cards

[copper mirage]

The standard tag is incomplete, missing op at the end
Also, spaces are inconsistent

[foggy kayak]

would keep it lvl.1 or level.1, but not level1

or level 1, so with a space in the middle

[copper mirage]

Buffoon Tag description is missing "Mega"

[foggy kayak]

a bit much, its says the cards its adding has a number has a number

so could remove quite a bit of the text

[split raptor]

The third line being so long is killing me

[copper mirage]

discard turned into "weggooimogelijkheid" which is killing me

[foggy kayak]

i cant express how much is dislike that wording

[copper mirage]

D6-tag has the dollar sign + space issue kas found somewhere else as well. Also, translating "Rerolling" as "rethrowing" isn't clear. any suggestions, kas?

Verversen?

[foggy kayak]

I would change it to:
voeg 4 willekeurige verbeterde cijferkaarten toe aan je hand

or just remove either one of the following from the sentence
met een getal
met een cijfer

[foggy kayak]

I cant think of a better word, but its not quite right either. Still a lot better then the current wording

Maybe if it explained what it would ververs

[copper mirage]

"maakt verschijnen" sounds archaic. since the original says "create up to", i think you might as well translate it as Creëert tot 2 gewone Jokers

[foggy kayak]

yeah, same thing with a few of the tarots, would also change those to your idea

another spacing error with the money part

same issue with wraith

[copper mirage]

same with gold seal

[foggy kayak]

i think symbool would be better then kleur. kleur means color and symbool means symbol.

is the spelling of the name right?

[copper mirage]

all seals say "this card" (deze kaart) except purple seal which says "this (one)" (deze). It's nice that it fits perfectly in 3 lines but it is inconsistent with the others

[split raptor]

One common thing I’m also noticing from your screenshots is that while the English version has all words of the card name with capital letters, this isn’t the case in the Dutch version

[copper mirage]

yes

[foggy kayak]

inconsistency with polychrome and polychroom

[copper mirage]

I believe it's due to this

Title case as it is used in English is not commonly used in Dutch. The "standard" way of spelling titles is with just the first word capitalized.

[foggy kayak]

also holografische and holografisch (should be the second of the 2)

[copper mirage]

Just realised for the seals, every seal except "Gouden zegel" is missing -e after the colour

So Rode zegel, Blauwe zegel, en Paarse zegel

"Rood zegel" is weird, right, kas?

[foggy kayak]

again, would change kleur to symbool, since kleur means color and color doesnt specificly mean 1 suit. symbool(symbol) does specify that it can be any symbol

[foggy kayak]

yeah, 100%

I have dyslexia, so noticing slight errors in spelling isnt my strong suit

[copper mirage]

I feel like this should be rephrased as well. It's supposed to sound like a warning that you can only have 1 of each type of enhancement, but this sounds more like informing the player they can stack an enhancement, edition and seal

maybe just ééninstead of een would already be an improvement

[foggy kayak]

what if you said:
Speelkaarten kunnen elk een verbetering, een editie en een zegel hebben

i think that would improve it

[copper mirage]

yeah you're right. it's slightly longer but so be it

i think één should be clear enough but yours is more explicit

[foggy kayak]

did foil get buffed or is it just stronger in the netherlands

[split raptor]

Foil Green Joker

[copper mirage]

it's like that in English as well

Wild card = Wildkaart
Not liking this one so much 🤔

maybe Wildcard

but the other cards use just kaart

[foggy kayak]

no clue what would be good for that one

[copper mirage]

i guess that's why they translated it like that

[foggy kayak]

i get that other tarots specify that they can enhance up to 2 cards instead of just saying 2, but saying 1 out of 3 maximum is wierd. it isnt like those 3 would be less for any reason

all the packs share that issue

[copper mirage]

while i agree, it's similar in the original English description right

[foggy kayak]

a random line got added here for no reason

[copper mirage]

the glass/steel/stone card translations are a bit inconsistent
Glazen kaart, Staalkaart, Steenkaart.
I'd think you'd either go for Glazen kaart, Stalen kaart, Stenen kaart
or Glaskaart, Staalkaart, Steenkaart

[foggy kayak]

dont understand why pokerhand should be between [], but english translation is the same

[copper mirage]

i think it's just to indicate that it takes from a list of possible values

[foggy kayak]

good point

[foggy kayak]

wait, why does it already have mult

shouldnt it be 0 in the collection screen

[copper mirage]

i'd think so yeah. the tag that gives you money for every blind skipped was at $5 already as well

but I expect these are general bugs, not related to language

@foggy kayak where have you seen the word 'ante'? I'm currently looking at the stats screen and i think it's the first place I'm seeing that word

[foggy kayak]

the blinds in the collection say ante

at least the bar on the left of the blinds

[copper mirage]

ah right

[foggy kayak]

the credits page hasnt been translated

take note of the bottom right

nederlands selected

all the tabs within credits also have not been translated

Seed would translate to Zaad, but i dont know if thats better

unreadable

[copper mirage]

oof hadn't seen it in action yet

has to be split into two lines, don't see another way

[foggy kayak]

needs a space between level and 1

choose your next blind seems off

is there much of a choice?

[copper mirage]

skipping right

[foggy kayak]

at least this is readable

again we need a space between level and 1

this text is too small, would change it to ververs

[copper mirage]

yeah ververs or vernieuw

[foggy kayak]

it was only a visual bug, still does -1

could we use neutraliseren instead of verlizen hun buff?

[copper mirage]

i prefer deactiveren

[foggy kayak]

thats alot better then my idea

anyway i gotta go, its late

[copper mirage]

good night

i think we've gotten through most of it

[foggy kayak]

think so too

[copper mirage]

Description for reserved parking is an incomplete sentence, should be something like

Elk plaatje dat je in je hand hebt heeft een kans van 1 op 2 om $2 op te leveren
(I'd also replace "Elk plaatje dat" with "Elke figuurkaart die", but that might be preference, although I'm not sure if "plaatje" is more commonly used than "figuurkaart")

[copper mirage]

it would be nice if boss blind descriptions was a single font size

[burnt kestrel]

also it says +1 both times

[copper mirage]

yup, mathisfun noticed it as well

i didn't check other languages, maybe some did the same thing there
edit: looked at green joker for all languages and only the Dutch translation has the +1 for both hand played and discards

[median horizon]

discard text is unreadable

[signal leaf]

i dont see any particular reason for there to be a hyphen for the anaglyph deck while magic and blue dont

"weggooimogelijkheid" is such a weird word to use

i see "afleggen" used as the dutch equivalant of "discard (verb)" but i cant think of the noun version of it

i see no reason for this to be anything other than Ramen tbh

this currently says +1 Mult per used Tarot card (Currently +0) without any mention of it being in the current run. for consistency it should say +1 Multi per gebruikte Tarot-kaart in dit spel (Nu +0)

cuz this one does it

shouldnt the bracketed text be more grey?

language specific issue it seems

the wording on Raised Fist feels off, maybe Voegt tweemaal de rang toe can de laagste vastgehouden kaart in de hand naar Multi would be better

translated word for word that'd be Adds twice the rank of the lowest held card in hand to Mult (my thing, not the one in game)

idk if somebody already commented on this already but Tarot and Planet Merchant both have unnecessary spaces between the 2 and the X

why is the last bit of text so small lol

the enhancements are currently inconsistent with naming

to be more consistent with the original English, i think the naming convention should be adjective card

so that'd be Bonus kaart, Multi kaart, Wilde kaart, Glazen kaart, Stalen kaart, Stenen kaart, Gouden kaart and Boffende kaart

(im having doubts whether or not "Boffende" is a real dutch word but eh)

[foggy kayak]

same its like saying: possibilty's to throw away (cards) instead of discard.

[foggy kayak]

gelukskaart?

[signal leaf]

no but then you still dont have a space between the adjective and the noun

for consistency's sake

the alternative is making it all one word so Glazen kaart would become Glaskaart and Gouden kaart would become Goud(s?)kaart

which doesnt sit right for me somehow

[foggy kayak]

boffen(de) just doesnt feel like a word you would normally use

[signal leaf]

i know right

but "Gelukkige" sounds off somehow

[foggy kayak]

geluks kaart?

[signal leaf]

that works

[foggy kayak]

doesnt feel right though since it might be better to spell it in 1 word for that one specificly

but i guess you just want something better then the current thing

[signal leaf]

yeah

[foggy kayak]

also why the - everywhere?

[foggy kayak]

already posted that one

[signal leaf]

coolio

[signal leaf]

theyre consistent with it at least

except for HERE

[foggy kayak]

true, but still think they are used for no reason, is it also english or just nederlands?

[signal leaf]

also i dont know if there was discussion about the use of kleur for suit but that is just correct dutch

[signal leaf]

lemme check

spaces

[foggy kayak]

i think symbool fits better then kleur

[signal leaf]

from the dutch wiki page on playing cards

[foggy kayak]

I hope we will get a updated demo before the release of the game so we can double check if all the issues have been fixed

[signal leaf]

huh, interesting. they refer to the face cards as "honneurs" here

[foggy kayak]

i have never once used that word for face cards

[signal leaf]

same lmao

ok so the face cards are just referred to as "figuurkaarten"

i think thats the best translation for face cards tbh

[signal leaf]

but "plaatjes" also seems to be fine

why is Flush Five "5 flushes" now?? that's the only poker hand name that got changed

it should keep its English name, it shouldnt be changed

all instances of Maakt...verschijnen should probably be replaced with Creëert

shouldnt there be a space between the colon and the dollar signs?

[copper mirage]

yes

some of this has already been mentioned

[signal leaf]

ok

was this really the best translation for Immolate??

lmao

[copper mirage]

i think it's like that cos anaglyph isn't an adjective

[signal leaf]

makes sense ig

ive got an English to Dutch van Dale here, im gonna go look it up

[copper mirage]

Brandoffer would be more in line with the others, I'd say

[signal leaf]

i agree, this one sounds better

so yeah change that translation to Brandoffer for Immolate

Déjà vu is correct spelling afaik

[copper mirage]

mhm

but seance is without the acute accent, mentioned yesterday

[signal leaf]

yeah

another case of "just use creëer instead of maak"

although maak is a simpler verb, idk if that simplicity is worth deviating from the original text

because Creëer is the closest translation of Create

may have been mentioned before but this should be polychroom not polychrome

[copper mirage]

it should?

[signal leaf]

yeah

every other instance says polychroom

that's the dutch spelling

[signal leaf]

am i going crazy?

[copper mirage]

you pronounce the -e, just like groot -> grote

[signal leaf]

i see

also, the boosterpack wording is weird

but you guys have mentioned that already

[copper mirage]

any suggestion for "blind van de/een baas"?

[signal leaf]

why not just go with Baas Blind or Boss Blind

we already are going with English for the Small and Big Blind

absolute warcrime lmao

[copper mirage]

Baas Blind has to be Baasblind otherwise it's anglicised Dutch, but that or Boss Blind I think would be better

[signal leaf]

i think Boss Blind is fine tbh

i also really dislike the way the levels are displayed

add a space for god's sake

was the chip thingy always offset like that?

[copper mirage]

gonna check

old screenshot but no such spacing here

[signal leaf]

hmmmm

possible bug?

[copper mirage]

could be

could ask in the general localization chat

[signal leaf]

why does this say Kiezen? shouldnt it be Kies?

singular?

[copper mirage]

yeah for sure

[signal leaf]

regardless of number

this wording sucks and i hate it

but i dont have a better alternative rn

same issue in standard pack

and i assume every other pack

[copper mirage]

my suggestions were Ververs or Vernieuw

[signal leaf]

Vernieuw seems like the best option

it's a very simple word and you can intuit what it does if you havent seen the word before

also itty bitty & Gebruiken

i know that's just the word but lol

[copper mirage]

another whitespace problem?

looks like there's an empty line

[signal leaf]

yeah it looks off somehow

not an issue but i like what they did for even steven

although

[copper mirage]

lol confusing

[signal leaf]

so true

Dutch Balatro is just the alternative universe where Steven took up the position Todd left behind

[copper mirage]

more lore

[signal leaf]

loooong tabs

not an issue just funny

[copper mirage]

I wonder why they didn't translate the Banner joker to Vaandel

[signal leaf]

oh yeah

youre so right

and changing Ramen to Noedels

very dumb choice imo

[signal leaf]

hm

[copper mirage]

I'd go for "Gedeactiveerd"

[signal leaf]

yeah, same

this is some pretty bad formatting ngl

[copper mirage]

can "even" really be translated as "gelijk"? "gelijke getallen" means "equal numbers" not "even numbers"

so while "Gelijke Pijke" and "Oneven Steven" is fun (although it's missing the double meaning of the original Even Steven and Odd Todd), it might be wrong

their joker names might just have to be the English names

[signal leaf]

i dont think it’s that much of an issue

nvm youre right

ok so apparently “Deven” is a name people have according to this https://nvb.meertens.knaw.nl/populariteit/naam/Deven

so having “Even Steven” and “Oneven Deven” should be fine

also coming back to the mess that is “weggooimogelijkheden”

i see zero reason why it cant be “[het] afleggen”

[copper mirage]

how would you translate "for every discard"?

[signal leaf]

“voor elke keer dat je aflegt”

something like that

[copper mirage]

fair, still shorter than "voor elke weggooimogelijkheid"

[cinder bluff]

"Kan tot -20 in het rood gaan" sounds more natural.

[signal leaf]

horrid word

i doubt its even a real word lmao

can someone pull up the current dutch Ramen wording for me?

[cinder bluff]

The -1 handomvang should make more sence to make it -1 kaart

[signal leaf]

“weggegooide kaart”

eww

[copper mirage]

[signal leaf]

i still dint get why they changed it to noodles

“X2 Multi, verliest X0.01 Multi per afgelegde kaart”

boom

looks so much better

[cinder bluff]

We also use a lot of English IRL so having some words translated is Eww as well 😄

[signal leaf]

literally everybody calls discarding cards “kaarten afleggen” in dutch so i bloody hate “weggooien” being used

also shouldnt it be a decimal comma?

and seperating periods?

because thats how we dutchies do it

[cinder bluff]

In Belgium we don't say kaarten afleggen that often, weggooien sounds okayish.

[signal leaf]

can somebody get the Fool wording for me rq? i remember something bugging me about it

[cinder bluff]

De dwaas

[signal leaf]

like the description

[signal leaf]

ty

more of the bad “maakt…verschijnen” wording

[woeful valley]

Creër de laatate tarot- etc?

[cinder bluff]

Ah yes,

Maak een kopie van de laatst gespeelde tarot- of planeetkaart die in dit spel is gebruikt met uitzondering van de dwaas

[signal leaf]

the hyphenation is wonky and having “de dwaas” so small at the end must be a bug

[woeful valley]

Laatstw

Ik moet niet met bevroren vingers typen 😅

[signal leaf]

i think “Creëer(t)” is the best verb to use since it’s the best translation of the original

[signal leaf]

just use immolate

[copper mirage]

don't forget the third e in creëert

i think maak is fine as well

[cinder bluff]

But it is a copy of the last played card. Unsure.

[woeful valley]

Ik neem aan dat jullie het al over “Verliezen hun buff” hebben gehad?

Mijn suggestie was “Afgezwakt” voor debuffed

[copper mirage]

ja, mijn suggestie was gedeactiveerd

[signal leaf]

Afgezwakt is better imo

simpler word

and fits with the intent/feeling of “debuffed” imo

[cinder bluff]

Geen waarde is also correct in that case.

[copper mirage]

but that's a bit ambiguous cos of the jokers

[cinder bluff]

True

[signal leaf]

Waardeloos is also a word

[cinder bluff]

Dutch is the most active in the localization tab btw. Letsgoo!

[signal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/jurgen-vlag-goede-huizen-vlag-makelaar-vlag-flag-gif-17411240

[cinder bluff]

🇧🇪

[signal leaf]

donder op stoute belg kom terug deel zijn van brabant /j

[woeful valley]

https://tenor.com/view/samson-en-gert-gert-verhulst-shock-gif-20969707

[signal leaf]

anyways, how do we feel about “plaatjes” for face cars?

[copper mirage]

too truttig, figuurkaarten ftw

[cinder bluff]

I feel sad with "Plaatjes"

[signal leaf]

id prefer “figuur kaart” but “plaatjes” work fine too i suppose

[woeful valley]

Eerste keer dat ik plaatjes zag dacht ik dat er iets mis was maar bedacht me later dat ik er ook geen beter woord voor had

[cinder bluff]

There is no translation for face card in Dutch.

[signal leaf]

yeah there is (sort of)

[cinder bluff]

In Afrikaans there is: Prentkaart

Sort of yes 😄

[signal leaf]

plaatjes / figuur kaarten

lol

[copper mirage]

figuurkaarten (plaatjes/honneurs/popkaarten)

[cinder bluff]

In Belgium we say beeldekes.

Prentjes.

Meh sounds awefull

[signal leaf]

dat is een van de belgischte dingen die ik gehoord heb

[cinder bluff]

Mensenkaarten
Nummerkaarten

Alez maar ja.

[signal leaf]

how about the way they translated “drawn face down”?

for stuff like Mark, Fish, House

because i dont like it

too long

[woeful valley]

Ik vind plaatjes niet ideaal, maar iedereen zou het wel snappen toch?

[signal leaf]

ja dat idd

[copper mirage]

idk, ik legde de connectie eerder omdat ik wist dat er oorspronkelijk face cards stond

[cinder bluff]

That is somethin where face cards also works.

[signal leaf]

i propose that this be
“[de sneue kaarten die de sjaak zijn] worden gedekt getrokken”

[cinder bluff]

On Wikipedia they also not have a word for face cards, just heer etc

gedekt getrokken sounds uhm, sexual...

[signal leaf]

lmaoooo

[cinder bluff]

liggen andersom?

zijn omgedraaid

[signal leaf]

rotated 90 degrees

lol

[copper mirage]

this description doesn't sound complete. it should say something like "Na elke gespeelde hand worden kaarten gedekt getrokken"

[cinder bluff]

But to what side?

[copper mirage]

achterstevoren has to be flipped sides right 🤔

[signal leaf]

can you pull up the original english text?

[woeful valley]

Ondersteboven?

[signal leaf]

sorry for asking you to do that the whole time lmao

[signal leaf]

ty ty

[cinder bluff]

Then you just have to turn your head around to see the card.

[copper mirage]

nah that one just sounds like rotating it 180 degrees

[signal leaf]

“Kaarten worden gedekt getrokken na elke gespeelde hand”

[woeful valley]

True true

[cinder bluff]

Liggen met hun prentje naar beneden

[signal leaf]

de zooi waar je geïnteresseerd in bent kan je niet zien omdat det achterkant naar boven zit

just that

[signal leaf]

i still think this is leagues better that that word spaghetti

[cinder bluff]

This has my vote.

[signal leaf]

would you bat an eye if the Hands/Discards section said
Handen/Afleggen in Nederlands?

because i prefer that over weggooimogelijkheden any day of the week

actually, im gonna go sleep

[signal leaf]

actually before i go let me bring up this for you guys because i think its good

in place of “opnieuw gooien” for “reroll”

actually gonna sleep now

[woeful valley]

Plaatje naar beneden word ook wel “Dicht” genoemd. Plaatjes worden dicht uitgedeeld

Voor reroll moet het ook werken met de Boss Blind

Vernieuwen moet werken dan

[copper mirage]

you could also have "verander de boss blind" and "vernieuw" in the shop

[woeful valley]

Dat werkt

Afleggen vind ik ook de beste optie

Iedereen weet wat een aflegstapel is denk ik

Weggooien komt denk ik van Klaverjassen, maar in deze context werkt het niet lekker

[soft storm]

Blind wordt ook als "inzet" vertaald, dus kleine inzet, grote inzet, inzet voor de baas / bij da baas / baas inzet zou misschien dan beter zijn

[soft storm]

of je behoudt de engelse termen zoals ook bij poker gedaan wordt en dan heb je Small blind, big blind, boss blind, een combo van beide is nogal contra-intuitief

[soft storm]

"Krijg een (random?) nieuwe boss blind"

[soft storm]

Zeggen jullie plaatjes? In het Vlaams zeggen we beeldjes

De bijvultag "Maakt tot 2 verschillende jokers verschijnen" is die al besproken want die zin klopt niet echt 🙂

[woeful valley]

Ja, ik vind "Maakt verschijnen" niet top. Ik denk dat het gewoon "Creëer" moet worden overal

[ornate glacier]

Is there another shorter translation for 'discards'? I don't know how I'll get it to fit in the UI with the current length

[woeful valley]

I think the consensus is "Afleggen" for the Discard button, but Dutch verbs can vary a bit in lenght

The main button would say "Afleggen" but if card text is "Discard your hand" it would be "Leg je hand af"

I'll finetune that in the actual doc if needed

[ornate glacier]

Oh sorry I was mistaken I thought it was worse

[woeful valley]

The troublesome one is the Discard counter

[ornate glacier]

Oh right that is what I meant

Sorry

Is there no other option?

[woeful valley]

I think the best fitting option would be Handen / Afleggen still

It's a "You get it, right?" solution

Otherwise you're back at "Afleg mogelijkheden" 😄

[foggy kayak]

i dont think there is a perfect solution with the dutch language, but the current text is so long that its near unreadable. So something would need to be done

the word used in the discard counter is just too long

what about aflegkansen?

relatively short and should convey all needed information

@woeful valley

[woeful valley]

I’d understand that and gives just a tad more clarity

[signal leaf]

maybe something like

keer
afleggen

works?

with that formatting

id need to see “aflegkansen” in game to see if it’s good or not but it also feels too long

good contender tho

[signal leaf]

Hit the Road says Resetten at the end of the round

that feels wrong

just Reset or Gereset should work, right?

just noticed this wording

Elk plaatje in hand heeft een kans van 1 op 2 om $1 op te leveren
maybe this wording is better?

Each face card in hand has a 1 in 2 chance to give $1
translated to english

[signal leaf]

shouldnt it be kaarten, plural?

...4 willekeurige verbeterde kaart toe...

[woeful valley]

Looks like that is pulling from the wrong "card" string

Because "cards" / "Kaarten" does exist

[copper mirage]

idk if it's dynamic like that

[woeful valley]

The yellow text is tool tip text, but "kaarten" might be in a different general column. That is fixable

[ripe wadi]

After seeing the state of the Dutch localisation I felt like some help was needed 😅. And since I hate writing long messages in discord I wrote all my feedback down in a google doc here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTZCC5MAVKdur5ksZA0l25ACYGM3T3hmGqxbOZiepQM/edit?usp=sharing

Hope this helps! I've tried to include everything I could find that was wrong / odd :)

I'm sure much of what I've put in the document here is said above already, and if anybody wants to add anything, feel free to ping me and I'll give you access. Maybe we can make this document a central point for the feedback

[copper mirage]

isn't "overgebleven afleg" just as long nvm you're talking about "remaining discards" in joker descriptions

[ripe wadi]

yeah, such a tough word to translate! Dutch really doesn't have a proper translation for discards

[winged leaf]

this looks so small, its almost to difficult to read

i think maybe in stead of "speel-kaarten" only "kaarten"

[copper mirage]

nee, dan kunnen spelers denken dat er planeet/tarot/spectrale etc. kaarten tussen kunnen zitten

al staat er wel kaartspel

mb for switching languages. i think being explicit doesn't hurt there

[winged leaf]

true

Maybe instead of "1 van maximaal 3 speelkaarten" , "1 van de 3 speelkaarten"?

[copper mirage]

there used to be a reason for it to say up to X cards for packs but i think that has been changed

however, since it hasn't been changed in the original English texts (yet) it should stay here as well i think

[winged leaf]

Is een Bofkaart een luckycard?

[copper mirage]

yes

well

idk what you mean, in-game or irl

[winged leaf]

Why not instead of Bofkaart the use of Gelukskaart?

[copper mirage]

has already been suggested by kas, and today as well in this spreadsheet

[winged leaf]

i see

[copper mirage]

lots of what was in that spreadsheet was also already mentioned here 😩

[arctic basin]

Shouldn't it have -1 mult per discard, and not +1?

seems redundant for "toe" to be shown twice on Familiar

[signal leaf]

known issue

[signal leaf]

this is undocumented afaik tho

[copper mirage]

Second toe was mentioned in wootscoot's google doc

[hard tangle]

For pack, I think 'pakket' should be 'pakje'. The former is the translation for package, most Dutch people would use 'pakje' voor a pack of cards

[copper mirage]

bètafase en suggestieknop shouldn't have spaces

it should say "Jokers" (plural) in riff-raff's description

To The Moon
another occurrence of a space between the dollar sign and the value. I'm also not sure whether it should be translated to Dutch as it's a reference

Flash card
This description is nonsensical. Translated back to English it would say something like "...for each to rethrow..."

as mentioned before, we'd prefer seeing something like "vernieuw" (renew) in the shop instead of "opnieuw gooien". the Flash card description would then be something like

+2 Multi voor elke keer dat de winkel wordt vernieuwd

or to be explicit that the user has to do the shop rerolling

+2 Multi voor elke keer dat je de winkel vernieuwt

This sounds very awkward, "Play a hand with 5 cards with just 5 gold cards", I'd go for

Speel een hand met 5 gouden kaarten
(Play a hand with 5 gold cards)

Crystal Ball voucher should be translated as Kristallenbolvoucher https://taaladvies.net/aaneenschrijven-drieledige-samenstelling-of-woordgroep-algemeen/#4

Same with Nebula deck's description. Telescoopvoucher is a single word.

Ghost deck has bad grammar. "verschijnt" should be "verschijnen" and to make this a nice sentence:

Spectrale kaarten kunnen in de winkel verschijnen, en je begint met een Hexkaart
there also shouldn't be a dash between Hex and card

[copper mirage]

also, i don't remember it mentioned here yet, but besides the +1, +1 issue for Green Joker, it also says "+1 for each discarded card" instead of "-1 for each discard"

oh i should post this on the google form instead of here

[hard tangle]

Something like a spreadsheet would be great to see what has already been reported/suggested, and makes it easier to search too

[copper mirage]

yeah i definitely agree

i think using that feedback google doc is too tedious, as it's 1 submission for every fix

and like you said, we have no idea who already made the same suggestions

[ripe wadi]

if somebody would set a spreadsheet up I would happily port everything over that I submitted in the doc :), I'm terrible with that sort of stuff haha

[stiff skiff]

Hi everyone, for all the feedback and suggestions, please submit them through the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6yq5-EGDKdzisaTBu6OkKIz1ZfpvD98CVb2JNKp35SSZqAQ/viewform

[copper mirage]

it's a lot of work to submit fixes one-by-one and we don't know what has already been reported

[rustic lynx]

There is a repeating "als" on the Marmeren Joker's description

[lean badger]

The grammar in this tutorial text is incorrect. It should be "Je kunt ook tot maximaal 5 geselecteerde kaarten Weggooien om een nog sterkere hand te krijgen. Probeer maar!"

Edit: Also submitted through the Google Form.

[lean badger]

I've already submitted the form about 8 times. The translation is of such poor quality that I'd like to either have more direct influence, or I'll stop contributing as this is a very tedious way of working.

I'm the largest contributor to both Deep Rock Galactic and Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor, that both use Crowdin for community translations. That is an absolute joy to work with.

Additionally, currently it is very hard to compare the translation to the source string, which makes it hard to spot mistranslations.

[copper mirage]

no point in contributing through the form anyway cos we have no idea what has already been reported. it just feels like a waste of time

and we don't know what changes the translators have already made themselves

[lean badger]

Yeah, feels like it…

[coral plover]

"Cavendish" Joker should be translated to "Cavendish" and not to the currently named "Aanmatigend"

[lean badger]

Please use the Google Form #1207805892997812254 message

[coral plover]

doing so rn

[dusty pine]

dunno if this would be supposed to go into the form as well, but several achievement descriptions on steam don't match up

just happened to notice while looking at my achievements

feel free to throw it into the form with the proper descriptions if it does need to go there

[mossy kayak]

lmao thats so weird

[blazing maple]

is there any way Weggooimogelijkheden [Throw-Away-Possibilities] can get atleast somewhat shorter, this is almost unreadable

[foggy kayak]

Has been discussed for a bit in this chat already, i think the best we came up with was aflegkansen or something like that

[empty root]

dang, dit's dood

[weary wedge]

okay I know this is like dead as hell and I am new but why not change Weggooimogelijkheden to weggooiers

[empty root]

Echt geen idee zou wel makkelijk zijn ig 🤷‍♂️

[blazing maple]

Can I please propose [Aflegstapels] instead of [weggooimogelijkheden]

[copper mirage]

But aflegstapel is the thing they are going towards

[blazing maple]

Then I would like to propose [Afleggers]

[empty root]

That looks like ur talking about people

[blazing maple]

It's either way better than Weggooimogelijkheden

[blazing maple]

ok so i hate this word

[latent ingot]

Hi

Yeah

[dusk garden]

I agree, weggooimogelijkheden does not work

[blazing maple]

I still prefer my proposal of [Afleggers]

[latent ingot]

I like that

Or just form of other dutch ish word

[blazing maple]

yeah!

readability is to me more important than word accuracy.
As long as you know what they mean with the word, there is not an issue

[dusk garden]

true

[latent ingot]

Wegwerpers might be a little more accurate but sounds weirder imo

[dusk garden]

maybe change [discard] to [wegwerpen] and [discards] to [worpen]

idk, everything sounds weird to me but thats just the dutch language i guess

[high hollow]

Might be worth it to do:

Sidebar:
X discards = X afleggingen

Button:
Discard = Afleggen

"Kaarten afleggen" works in Dutch when playing card games for "putting away(/discarding) cards", so it would be relevant and a shorter word to use.

[blazing maple]

I fully agree with that

[empty root]

alright guys

[empty root]

we can now suggest any changes via crowdin, so we can get on discussing!

[empty root]

afleggen of afdekken?

[high hollow]

Afleggen probably makes more sense. I haven't heard Afdekken used in this sense afaik.

[empty root]

just came up in my head

[high hollow]

afdekken sounds a bit off imo

[empty root]

lol

agreed

[high hollow]

@empty root I see you added one in, nice, I've added a couple more that you missed

[empty root]

i am just working down my list :D

just from top to bottom

seeing u working there as well

[empty root]

just think we need some different words depending on the sentance

[high hollow]

yeah that's true

[empty root]

😭

'legendarische' for gods sake

i think we got all discard(s)

:D

[mossy kayak]

gratis upgrade

[gentle coral]

lucky cards are called bofkaarts, which is already incorrect grammar to begin with, but i would also change them to be called gelukskaarten
also cavendish is just some random word for some reason? it should just stay cavendish since its a name

[halcyon linden]

flush 5 isnt capitalized also not sure if this is a great translation

[blazing maple]

it annoys me too that the dutch names for poker hands arent used, like Straat, Vier dezelfde, etc.

[empty root]

Y Tf u want street?

[mossy kayak]

straat

not street

[blazing maple]

Straat (dutch for street) is the common name for Straight

[empty root]

Straight= recht but i never been to the casino so i might be wrong

[mossy kayak]

ever played yahtzee?

[patent hawk]

If you literally translate it then yes, but in card game terms it's 'straat'.

[empty root]

hmm

[blazing maple]

in yatzee there is a Korte Straat and a Lange Straat. meaning short and long street (short street is a straight consisting of 4, basically using four fingers lol)

I'd like to suggest.
High Card - Enkele Kaart
Pair - Paar
3oaK - Drie/3 Dezelfde
4oaK - Vier/4 Dezelfde
5oaK - Vijf/5 Dezelfde
2pair - Dubbel/Twee Paar
full house - Full House
straight - Straat
straight flush - Flush Straat
flush house - Flush Huis
flush 5 - Flush Vijf/5

please share your opinions

[empty root]

3oaK - Drie/3 Dezelfde
4oaK - Vier/4 Dezelfde
5oaK - Vijf/5 Dezelfde
2pair - Dubbel/Twee Paar
flush 5 - Flush Vijf/5

i don't really like the 1 words

[blazing maple]

roger

[halcyon linden]

is it known that "bevat" is the wrong colour here

[mossy kayak]

does it even need " bevat "?

[copper mirage]

yes, full houses and flushes can contain two pairs

[blazing maple]

Deze joker levert +2 Multi op
Als gespeelde hand een Two Pair bevat
(Momenteel +2 Multi)

[halcyon linden]

negative isnt translated in the ankh desciption

also "uit kopie" shouldnt be grey i think? not sure about that part

and maybe "van kopie" sounds better? not sure about that either

[halcyon linden]

the "+3" should be blue right?

[blazing maple]

yep

there are a LOT of issues with those things

lemme show you my [least] favorite example

Straight [Capital, Yellow]

straight [Lowercase, Yellow]

Straight [Capital, Blue]

Making a custom localisation file just to fix all of these mistakes & missed translation opportunities

the thing that i want to fix the most is when descriptions have a line with a single word

what even is this man, there is literally an empty row here

[blazing maple]

handsize contains an extra space

extra space in the money

[blazing maple]

Also, made a small custom modification to the face cards for the dutch words [Heer, Dame, Boer]
probably need to make the D & B more distinctive but I am still happy with the result

[blazing maple]

The anaglyph deck is named after the effect red-blue 3D glasses use - In dutch, its written with an F instead of a PH

Anaglyf

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyf

[halcyon linden]

oh awesome

i also noticed Lucky Cards are translated to Bofkaarts instead of Bofkaarten

i also think Gelukskaarten sounds a lot better, bit that has a very different seperate definition

[blazing maple]

i also approve of gelukskaarten

[halcyon linden]

oh wow this translation is so good actually

not really sure about the capitalization though

oh wait nearly every joker has bad capitalization 😭

every joker where the second word is "Joker" has the J capitalized

but almost every other name only has a capital first letter

[halcyon linden]

Cloud 9          = Op wolkjes        -> In De Wolken
Hack             = Bedrieger         -> Prutser
Cavendish        = Aanmatigend       -> Cavendish
Lucky Cat        = Boffende kat      -> Gelukskat
Flash Card       = Flash-kaart       -> Flash Kaart
Golden Ticket    = Gouden kaartje    -> Gouden Ticket```
here's some other weird translations  with suggested changes

also Shoot the Moon = Bereik de maan doesnt really work i think
should probably be one of these three options since its related to the game Hearts

is there like an easier way to maybe edit stuff like this other than having to submit every individual change to the form 😭

[blazing maple]

Fully agree with this

[halcyon linden]

Kiezen 1 😭 how did i miss this

[blazing maple]

gdhjgfsjh

[blazing maple]

Cannot fucking believe the dogshit dutch localisation made it trending on twitter (which is 100% justified)

[high hollow]

we suggested a better one a while ago, even added it to the crowdin 😭

weggooimogelijkheden is essentially "discard opporunities" instead of just "discards" and currently uses a dutch word that is very long and very unusual in card games. "Afleggen" is definitely more well known and way shorter.

[blazing maple]

proposing afleggen as singular and afleggers as multiple

Je hebt 3 afleggers over.) for example

[halcyon linden]

vaguely looked into dutch poker terms and it seems like they use "ruilen"

so instead of throwing your cards away and having them replaced with new ones, youre just trading them for new ones instead

it does sound nice but it might get too confusing when used in some descriptions

so maybe Afleggen is better

[trail heath]

Afleggen definitely sounds a lot better yeah

I tried playing the game in dutch because seeing things in my native language is really funny, but I really think this localization could be really good

[blazing maple]

also voting for Afleggen

so multiple would be Afleggers?

[blazing maple]

[im sorry if i brought that up so many times by now

[halcyon linden]

i guess?

idk if thats like a real word people use

[trail heath]

Don't think that's a real word, but I don't know a better word for it that's still short enough

[blazing maple]

This description is really confusing to read

also [1 op 2] needs to be green here

[halcyon linden]

is harten supposed to be a differently coloured red?

[halcyon linden]

"Voegt de rank van de laagste rang kaart in de hand dubbel toe aan Multi"
is this better?

maybe a comma between hand and dubbel? idk if thats gramatically correct

[formal siren]

I already used an ectoplasm earlier but it still says -1 hand size

also green joker currently says "-1 mult per discarded card" instead of just per discard

but yeah discard is already really akward to translate so idk what would fit better

[burnt lily]

“Voeg dubbel de rang van de laagste rang kaart toe aan Multi”

[burnt lily]

Making this “1 op 2 kans dat gespeelde kaarten met de kleur harten 1.5x Multi geven bij scoren”

Would be more logical Dutch

“Kaartspel aanpassen” should be “Kaarten aanpassen”

“Kaartspel” = Cardgame
“Kaarten” = Cards

Description should be “Wanneer [de blind] geselecteerd word zal de joker aan de rechterkant van deze joker vernietigd worden en dubbel zijn [verkoopwaarden] permanent aan de [multi] van deze joker toe”

“Trouwheidskaart” could be “Spaarkaart”

I think that everywhere where it says “kans van [odds]” should be “[odds] kans”

“Ijsco” should be “ijs” or “ijsje”

“Ijsje” is little ice cream

Description should be “Deze joker krijgt [0.1x] Multi ieder keer als een [Planeet kaart] word gebruikt

Card seal names should be

“Rode zegel”
“Blauwe zegel”
“Gouden zegel”
“Paarse zegel”

[blazing maple]

🔥🔥

[burnt lily]

Could be “Gezichtloze Joker”

Why not just call it “Cavendish” it’s a banana species name

Make it “Blauwdruk”

“De idool” or “Idool

“Het idool” is incorrect Dutch

“De opgehangen man” (The hanged man) or “De hangende man” (The Hanging man)

The rest of the translations look good in my opinion

This is what i would change

[copper mirage]

you sure? https://www.vandale.nl/pages/gratis-woordenboek/idool

[blazing maple]

yeah im pretty sure Het Idool is correct

[burnt lily]

Y’all are right

My bad

[woeful ridge]

"de hangende" 💔💔💔

[burnt lily]

Whats so wrong with that

[woeful ridge]

niks

thought it was funny

[halcyon linden]

"de gehangene" is just what the tarot card is called in dutch

might be good to check if the other tarots are also using these dutch names for them

[burnt lily]

They are correct

[burnt lily]

An alternative for “Weggooimogelijkheden” could also be “aflegbeurten” which could be used in this context

Afleg (afleggen) is a synonym of discarding in this context

And “beurten” meaning turns in this context

This is a lot shorter than what currently is in the game

[polar swan]

Definitely seconding this

"Weggooimogelijkheden" is too long and feels pragmatically incorrect

I'd perhaps opt for simply calling it "Afleggen" (lit. "Discarding") because it's shortest while still conveying the correct meaning

[white pebble]

idk if a comment has been made about this because im too lazy to read this entire thread, but the colors on smeared joker just are not right

[white pebble]

in my head i alwasy thought about "pas" but "aflegbeurt/afleggen" is way better yeah

[white pebble]

(also this discussion has probably been had but lucky cards should really be "geluks" kaarten instead of "bof" kaarten)

[polar swan]

Also "Smeared Joker" should be "Uitgesmeerde Joker"

[white pebble]

I think both are technically correct?

idk it's not like I speak this language everyday or smth

it's not like I live here or anything

[polar swan]

If you're just gonna be snarky, then maybe just don't say anything.

"Besmeurd" in this context means more like "smeared with something", while "uitgesmeerd" means "smeared/smudged across something", which is clearly more what the card depicts

[white pebble]

i was just being sarcastic bro😭

I genuinely just have no clue

[halcyon linden]

bringing this up again but i feel like "weggooikansen" would be a really easy way to make "weggooimogelijkheden" just a little shorter without finding a completely new word for it

[gentle coral]

aflegkansen...

[halcyon linden]

youre so right

[blazing maple]

also shoutout to Bofkaarts

[gentle coral]

lowkey need to summon everyone in this thread

trying to make a mod that makes the localizations Good

and no way im doing 4.3k lines of localization alone

[halcyon linden]

i thought @blazing maple mightve been working on that at one point? but idk i might ve imagined it

[gentle coral]

i have no clue

i didnt know of anything like it so i wanted to be the change

[blazing maple]

i know jack shit about making mods but I am/was working on a more optimised NL loc file

[gentle coral]

i see

[blazing maple]

like i can translate and work on the file but i dont know how to work that in a Mod™

[gentle coral]

i mean getting localization in game via a mod with steamodded isnt too difficult and for without steamodded i got a bit from ruby thats used in Overflow to add localization

so i already have that set up

its just editing the localization atp

[blazing maple]

Im not at home rn but I can share my file like tomorrow

[gentle coral]

oh awesome

unfortunately ill be away for the next 4 days but ill look at it after

[blazing maple]

thats alright!

[halcyon linden]

assuming there's just like a text file i can edit for this i wouldnt mind helping a little

[gentle coral]

since its currently all on a github repository there isnt really a way to directly edit it without git and repository access, though if you drop some improved translation in here or in dms i can just add it myself

I should probably make the repository public first though so people can actually test and see whats already changed

[gentle coral]

https://github.com/borb43/betternl/blob/main/localization/nl.lua alr its public now so you can check here to see whats already there