#White Whale Seed Searching

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teal forum
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I will definitely say that when I sort seeds, it will be by number of negatives, with Ectoplasm having slightly less worth than other negatives due to the drawback

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expanding the range to 100 could help; that's about as far as drspectred was able to get in the glitchless WR score run

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and then maybe a second blueprint in jokers 6-25, and both dusks in jokers 26-100?

vivid void
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I mean if we're working on constellation we might try to work with telescope

rocky oyster
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Im down

teal forum
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telescope is very finicky with burglar+8ball

rocky oyster
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^

teal forum
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since those are basically antisynergy

rocky oyster
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I dont think constellations a 100% goody

teal forum
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that was discussed in the original search but later removed

rocky oyster
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but its not the worst thing either

teal forum
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these are more like the ā€œminimum requirementsā€ for an insane seed, and then from there the best one can be determined

vivid void
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Imo it just makes you play different hand types with 8 ball

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Like what drs did

gleaming eagle
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Telescope is unbeatable, non-negotiable. Worth giving up Blackboard, Loyalty, and Burglar. That said, Burglar + Telescope is demonstrably doable and perhaps desirable.

teal forum
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I will add that to the filter then šŸ‘

vivid void
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Also for final hand if we are trying to improve we should look for non random negatives but negatives that we will actually use in verdant since in the end we want extra space for other jokers

gleaming eagle
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also, it's relatively "low cost" in terms of search criteria because there are so few Vouchers.
Ante 2 or 3 Telescope is probably optimal.

teal forum
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I'll probably filter for ante 1-3 to increase chances

gleaming eagle
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Ante 1 is very hard to make work, especially if we need to spend our money on Jokers

vivid void
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Like 2 negative dusks for example will allow for both idk loyalty and blackboard

teal forum
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sure, then ante 2-3

teal forum
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I can filter for more later

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the run from my video is higher than current WR just from flush house levels

vivid void
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Yeah I think this can bring a nice improvement but like after this I think it's just a race of good negatives

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Final world record will be 5 negatives lmao

teal forum
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lol

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that would be insane, the current WR seed where you are in poverty has only 4 negatives

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and only 1 is even used

vivid void
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Oh no not the balatro poverty

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The poker debt is coming to balatro

rocky oyster
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Lol

gleaming eagle
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Ante 3 or Ante 4 Crystal Ball so you can BP BP Ball

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Not necessary by any means, but, man, do I want to ride that lightning

vivid void
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33% more tarots when you think about it

gleaming eagle
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50% more, yeah?

vivid void
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Idk math but it's good

gleaming eagle
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yeah, math is hard idk

vivid void
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What's the voucher order we even want for this run

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Telescope to crystal ball?

rocky oyster
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From2 to 3 is 1.5x

teal forum
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I think I will also order seeds by how many criteria they satisfy until they fail

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I probably will make poly aura first, followed by all the jokers, and then vouchers

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maybe reorder so the Xmult jokers are before telescope

rocky oyster
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Ima sleep while you guys do the work before the work

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My secret projects not gonna do itself tmr

gleaming eagle
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Mm, Telescope precedes xmult imo. Maybe not even include any xmult in initial search criteria because we're already using 4 slots on BP and Dusk

vivid void
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Do we want wasteful? For flush house it's good to have extra discards

gleaming eagle
rocky oyster
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I feel like 8 ball for flush house really

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Maybe no burg and get crystal ball

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But Im not drspectred so gn

vivid void
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One thing about burglar is it's gonna make loyalty card hard so if you wanna play with both good luck xd

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Never liked that combo

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I mean with dusk in play also

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Not only the two

gleaming eagle
vivid void
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Yeah that is gonna be hard for any normal player

gleaming eagle
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fair

vivid void
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Managing hands for telescope and hand amounts for loyalty

teal forum
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this run wouldn't focus on approachability though

gleaming eagle
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idk
no glory without doing at least a little bit of work
can't rely on the seed searcher to do everything for us
need to be able to make lemons out of lemonade

teal forum
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that's kinda why I started out with seeds that just had the white whales and let people play them out in the start

vivid void
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True but the timing is approaching too hard xd

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Like it's for 99% of players will become too much

teal forum
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tbf it's just as hard as the last run, except you have 2 more joker slots that must be filled up

vivid void
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Even I don't think I'll be able to try for an optimal run

teal forum
vivid void
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Yeah good luck routing something like this

teal forum
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I wouldn't even be surprised if a community effort might be needed, since follownig the same route will gave the same outcome

vivid void
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Unless we can automate routing

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Atleast the logging of the routing

teal forum
gleaming eagle
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Automated spreadsheet population would be nice tho

teal forum
vivid void
teal forum
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ah

gleaming eagle
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Ok, hear me out. I don't actually want to see Poly Aura in Ante 1

vivid void
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I mean if we looking into the future it'll help with alot of other extreme seeds we try

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Especially in 1.0

coral lichen
teal forum
gleaming eagle
teal forum
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I only have dark mode for sheets on mobile

coral lichen
teal forum
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lol I used that for less complex routes

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my WR speedrun route is just a text file

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coral lichen
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lmao

vivid void
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I mean for individual runs sure even I can sit one day and run attempts to figure out but in the end the more we use it the more time it'll save

coral lichen
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use chatgpt

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itll automatically tell you the best route (trust me)

teal forum
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but that's a 1.0 issue

gleaming eagle
coral lichen
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non-suspicious file šŸ§

teal forum
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yo we both used asterisks

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gleaming eagle
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ye ye ye

teal forum
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also, nice color coding

gleaming eagle
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Ok, back on topic.
You want to avoid taking skip tags, even for Poly Aura.
The amount of value derived from different sources for one blind is equivalent to about 10 shop rerolls.

teal forum
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Would a negative tag that procs be worth it?

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depending on shop rerolls it might counteract the loss of money, especially if it goes on a beneficial joker

gleaming eagle
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Could be worth it, in theory, in, say, Ante 4 or 5. Low probability of it "working out" though.

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Poly Aura in Ante 3 or 4 is optimal. The later it occurs in the run, the more control you have over what card it lands on. You can even make the card Glass before it becomes Poly.

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Suggested search criteria: One Spectral pack in shop at any point in Ante 2 through the end of Ante 4. That spectral pack gives Poly Aura, of course.

teal forum
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that's one of the main reasons why the location of a spectral wasn't checked in the searcher; just that it exists

teal forum
gleaming eagle
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We gain some seeds by being able to extend the Joker window further

teal forum
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besides money becoming problematic, that ended up working out fine in the last seed I posted

gleaming eagle
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Also, having a skip tag in Ante 1 is fine, you just don't pick it up

teal forum
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the window increases but the number of jokers needed goes from 7 to 9 (including all Xmult jokers)

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removing the Xmult requirement will def. add more room for seeds

gleaming eagle
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Sure. I guess my thought was
Having a Spectral pack only from skip tag VS having Spectral pack in shop
is the difference between
searching for double jokers in the first 80 Vs searching for double jokers in the first 100

teal forum
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agreed

gleaming eagle
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Immolate in Ante 1 is a huge boon

vivid void
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Black immolate I assume?

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Or wait that's a different card

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Immolate is money

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Sigil is suit xd

teal forum
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Immolate was actually the name I had for the searcher back when I was the only one working on it

gleaming eagle
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great word
great name

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rip

teal forum
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00001H has done most of the work on the C++ version, so I'll leave it up to him if he wants to continue that

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the code repository is called baseed, but that's just temporary

gleaming eagle
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terrible name
lol

teal forum
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base(e)d

gleaming eagle
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'm not completely sold, but you do make a compelling argument

teal forum
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the old ver only checked the contents of the first pack, but this can check for the contents of all the packs up until Round 12

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that automatically eliminates packless seeds and gives more opportunities for plays like immolate ante 1

gleaming eagle
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Proposition: SB1 Immolate skip unlocks Ante 1 Telescope and/or the 20% of seeds which are invalidated by shop 1 being too expensive.

teal forum
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I'll definitely make note of that, although I was looking more at shop spectrals

gleaming eagle
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ah, well that would be preferred, yeah

teal forum
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all spectral packs have an order so looking at just the shop narrows it down to one possibility, making it easier to find aura at the optimal time

gleaming eagle
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You could use the Small Blind to manipulate which cards get Immolated

teal forum
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that, too

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gonna head out now, feel free to discuss more
I added these ideas to the initial message, so whatever the consensus ends up being, I'll implement that into the searcher

gleaming eagle
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Grabber instead of Burglar might be "good enough" and easier to find

teal forum
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Of which Xmult jokers and negatives are the big ones

rocky oyster
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Dang

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You guys did a lot

teal forum
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Now hopefully we can find a seed with all of this

gleaming eagle
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I'm not sold on the need to have the second BP as early as number 25. What are we even copying?

Also, having done the previous run, I think Constellation occurring later also might just be better.
If we level up Constellation too early too fast, we lose the ability to play the maximum number of hands.
The difference between constellation x3.5 and x5 is less than the effect of one Polychrome.

rocky oyster
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So when so you start searching seeds

teal forum
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tomorrow maybe? Depends on if I can write all the code tomorrow

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If not then Sunday

rocky oyster
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Ok

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Guess I have time for my project

teal forum
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Probably more balanced like that

rocky oyster
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Need locals thoguhts on some ideas tmr

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FoFor noenow gn

gleaming eagle
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Tier 1 search criteria (with other tiers being verified only by subsequent searches):

1.1) Shop 1 contains Immolate (from Spectral Pack)
1.2) 8 Ball and Blueprint in the first 5 Jokers.

1.3) Telescope in Ante 1-3
1.4) Spectral pack in Ante 2-4 giving Poly Aura.

1.5) Second BP in the first 100 Jokers
1.6) Two Dusk in Jokers 30-100

Theoretically, the addition of the Immolate criteria enables Ante 1 Telescope or BP + Ball in the same shop. Also, getting 8 Ball even one round earlier is huge. Immolate would enable rerolling the first shop for 8 Ball if needed.

Poly Aura in Ante 3 is ideal. Ante 2 is definitely viable. Ante 4 is possibly viable. In all cases, we want it to be a pack from the shop.

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Tier 2 search criteria (sort criteria), not yet sure what order

Number of Negatives
Number of Polychrome Jokers
Jokers until Burglar
Jokers until Egg
Number of xmult Jokers
Crystal Ball
Polychrome from Wheel (I think we ruled this out in a previous discussion)

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With 2x BP and Dusk, Todd shoots up in value. Possible include as a Tier 2 filter. Though, since it's common, it should theoretically be "free." Second Todd (from WW) is worth more than a Polychrome but less than an x2 mult.

untold zephyr
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any consideration for WW BP or 8ball early with crystal ball voucher to accelerate even faster?

gleaming eagle
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Worth considering when we're down to maybe 100 seeds. Would require the second BP to occur earlier which may be too restrictive for the initial search.

digital lintel
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From what I experimented, best case scenario would be 2x BP very early, as it enables 3x whatever you want (like 3x 8Ball, this one needs Crystal Ball tho), so Immolate shop 1 into 2x BP + 8Ball in first few jokers, Crystal Ball 1st voucher, Telescope 2nd? What about Cartomancer to dig harder through tarot/planets?

We need DNA by the time we hit poly glass also (confirm ante 3-4 is fine, the last seed had only 1 Justice after round 14 but turned up pretty well), don't we? Or is 3x 8Ball enough Death cards to have our poly glass scoring hand? And cloning many 8s can stonk hard with 3x Burglar, no (let's say you play 88 then 888 then 88xx then 8888 before playing Flush House on every round, so not to kill Telecope) ?

2x Dusk is only needed for the high score hand in the end, so the later the better (within a reasonable jokers range).

With at least 2 negative jokers, should we consider early WW Constellation? Or do you think it will lose us too many 8Ball procs? Then WWs order should be WW BP very early, WW Constellation quite early, WW Dusk late (as setting up a WW disables a previous WW setup for jokers you see in collection if I remember correctly?).
Because final jokers being "BP BP Dusk Dusk Constellation Constellation +empty slot from sold joker" sounds sick to me.
Talking about this empty slot, does Judgement gives a joker from the shop joker list, or a list of its own? xMult joker that replaces sold joker would be nice.

teal forum
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also, DNA isnā€™t really necessary because of the sheer number of 8ball tarots and shop rerolls used

coral lichen
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The tarot cycle could just hate you and not give death

teal forum
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better as a ā€œTier 2ā€ criteria if anything

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the glitchless run didnā€™t have DNA iirc

digital lintel
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Was just wondering for DNA, if you say 3x 8Ball is enough I trust you.

coral lichen
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I mean, I guess if we don't have dna, what should be replace it with?

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Because bpbp duskdusk concon is 6 out of 7 jonklers

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I'm thinking juggler

digital lintel
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Plus 8Ball you sell on Verdant. Thus why I ask about Judgement.

coral lichen
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Oh wait your keeping 8ball to the end?

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I assumed you'd sell it for dusks

digital lintel
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Don't know yet, but 8Ball is a lot of cards. Depends on the run if you'd still need to carve the deck I think.

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And as we need a joker to sell to Verdant, I went "why not keeping it?"

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(After playing your non-last hands of course.)

coral lichen
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Fair

digital lintel
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Then if you ask about an eventual 8th joker if the seed provides 3 neg, I'd go with Loyalty.

coral lichen
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Then ww it if there's 4 negatives lmao

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But like, how high can constellation max out on

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Cuz my highest is around 3.6 3.7

vivid void
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drs has done 4.4 but i imagine with more money you could probably do 5

digital lintel
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Mine too was below x4, but with 3x 8Ball I expect this to escalate quickly.

coral lichen
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8ball doesnt spawn planets

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only high priestess

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same with cartomancer

digital lintel
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High Priestess & Fool is 4 planets (provided you have room).

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3, my bad, as for the 4th you'd need to use a planet before Fool.

coral lichen
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no just spawn highpreistess

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its 4 planets

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but like, thats a lot of cycling šŸ˜

digital lintel
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Oh yeah, I'm dumb, just HP > Fool > planet > planet > HP > planet > planet.

digital lintel
coral lichen
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i guess

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but its hard to get a extremely ideal tarot cycle (and i dont think we want to push mathif)

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ngl i think tarots are kinda useless except death hp fool and justice

teal forum
gleaming eagle
teal forum
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22 types of tarot cards across 250 instances gives a curve that looks like this

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This is what a random selection of the number of a type of tarot you get would be

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Itā€™s not like you can just find a seed that has 3x the amount of a specific tarot, when thereā€™s so many instances of tarots being used and a large number of seeds already filtered out

coral lichen
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fair

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but like, still speaking, with dna you only really need 1 or 2 tarots at best no?

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or im really dumby dumb

teal forum
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biggest use of tarots now is for money ā€”> rerolling

coral lichen
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so hermit and temperance

teal forum
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ye

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that way you can dig deeper in joker pool for dusk, Xmult jokers, etc.

coral lichen
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ye

digital lintel
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Oh no, ok, that's drawn from Poisson distribution above. Sorry I misunderstood.

gleaming eagle
digital lintel
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I thought of 8Ball with Crystal Ball for extra tarot, or "freeing" WW setup for WWing Constellation.

gleaming eagle
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Tradeoff between more strict search criteria "eliminates" more seeds vs access to more money for more rerolls "enables" more seeds (you're able to look for Dusk in the first 100 jokers instead of 80).

Crystal Ball is relatively "low cost" as a search criteria because there's a 1 in 8 chance you get it in any given Ante. So it's fine as a "first pass" search criteria.

Blueprint is, ya know, rare. It makes more sense as a "sort" criteria. As in, once you've filtered down to seeds which have the second BP in the first 100 Jokers, you can sort by how early it occurs.

rocky oyster
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one thing to mention is you need the 2nd blueprint to appear before the 1st dusk (or at same time)

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because then you cant ww the dusk

gleaming eagle
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Ah

digital lintel
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Or even before 1st Constellation, if we can imagine going for WW Constellation, this is what I meant by "freeing the WW setup".

gleaming eagle
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Aha

rocky oyster
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or loyalty if do loyalty instead

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but loyalty is bad if dont buy them at same time

gleaming eagle
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In that case, we still sort by how early the second BP appears. And the after do a second ranking for how many xmult jokers appear after the second BP.

coral lichen
rocky oyster
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true

coral lichen
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i think it is worth for 2nd bp to show up early

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even if you dont x3 something theres always negative chance, and if really needed just x2 a mult joker for surviving

rocky oyster
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how many tarots are there again

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I should know this

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its like 21

untold zephyr
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22

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so close

rocky oyster
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šŸ˜­

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so first tarot 1/11 chance for hermit/temperace then 2nd 2/21 chance and then 3rd would be 1/10 chance so like, thats a lot of chances

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thats 1/4 chance if add them, and then you could get death, strength, fool, 1 suit convertor which are all also helpful so triple 8ball just cracked

gleaming eagle
rocky oyster
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8ball makes easy to survive

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just flush house

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especially with poly

coral lichen
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idk

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ngl i think personally id prefer cartomancer over 8ball

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its less tarots but whatever

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easier use

rocky oyster
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Id do superpos if early cons

coral lichen
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maybe

rocky oyster
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actually straights are hard

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I take that back

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ruins telescope flush house

coral lichen
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lmao

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sort of same with 8ball tho, ig you can play flush houses with it tho

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with 8ball i end up with pairs, probably one of my 8ball issues

rocky oyster
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its one of your 8ball skill issues

coral lichen
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yes

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other one is forgetting that its okay to not have poly glass 8's with 8ball

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my preferabble seed for highscore would be as follows:

Aura ante 1
WWBP ante 1-2
Some sort of WWXmult (preferably loyalty) (if loyalty, Ante4-5)
Dusk ante 4-5
A couple of negative/ectoplasms around ante2-4
maybe cartomancer
DNA ante 3-4 (late 3-early 4)

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i dont ask for much lmao

rocky oyster
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gl getting planets

coral lichen
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moner

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also i dont need conste

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lvl 3-4 flush house more than enough to shatter 100q

rocky oyster
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who says we are going for 100q

coral lichen
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me

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1quint prolly ends up relying with insanely high constes

rocky oyster
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dream bigger buckaroo

coral lichen
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listen man, 1quin is possible, but id rather roll smaller numbers first

rocky oyster
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(same)

coral lichen
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aha we can agree bozo

teal forum
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boutta jump to 2 quin with the new seeds

rocky oyster
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yayyy

coral lichen
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Yippee

gleaming eagle
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@teal forum
ping me when you start
If the initial search (ifrst few minutes) is returning too many results, we can talk about how to tighten our "first pass" criteria for an overnight search

teal forum
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Iā€™ll ping both of you

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Will be like 8/9 PM ET at the earliest

vivid void
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<t:1702173600:R> to those who are interested

teal forum
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also will send updates of me working on it in this channel

rocky oyster
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inpatientness really showing rn šŸ™ƒ

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(for me)

coral lichen
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Same

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also its been 3 hours

rocky oyster
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1 more hour to go

coral lichen
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As much as I want to see 100quad, even maybe 1qui. The fact that we're brute forcing it takes alot of the fun out

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Like it was way more fun to figure out routes from the original 800+ seeds mathif generated

teal forum
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theyā€™ll all just be generally more promising seeds

rocky oyster
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yeah

gleaming eagle
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I think what they meant is, what's fun about unseeded gameplay is you don't know what you're going to get. It's exciting when you find things like Poly Aura.

And even when filter down to seeds which must contain Poly Aura, there's still some mystery left. They might get excited about finding DNA, for example. Or excited about finding a Negative.

It may feel arbitrary saying "800 seeds is fun but only 50 seeds wouldn't be," but each filter condition is one less thing to get excited about.

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For me personally, I just want to Do The Thing and have it be done with. One thing kind of disappointing about the 177T run was I couldn't get 01H to implement the more restrictive search criteria, so I searched for less than 10 minutes and used one of the first 10 seeds fitting the less restrictive criteria.

rocky oyster
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yeah

coral lichen
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Yes, actually exactly what I meant lmao

teal forum
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Iā€™ll share the list of seeds so people can try a variety of them, but we can also look at filters from there and find ā€œtheā€ seed.

rocky oyster
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its 8-9pm est

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it do be that timeish

teal forum
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True

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I think I will start programming now

rocky oyster
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yay

teal forum
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with drspectredā€™s initial filters

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Iā€™ll ping when I start testing the searcher

teal forum
gleaming eagle
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It was later mentioned, the second BP needs to occur before the first Dusk for WW to work properly

rocky oyster
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Says he will ping when starts testing
2 seconds later pings to get easy access

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XD

teal forum
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thatā€™s a discord feature that some ppl never use lol

rocky oyster
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I forgor you can do that

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because I dont know how to

teal forum
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Iā€™ll check the speed of each of these filters separately, and mark them here, along with the success rate

rocky oyster
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okey dokey

untold zephyr
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it's so strange reply without ping isn't the default

teal forum
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combined this will allow me to mathematically calculate the fastest search filter order

rocky oyster
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Idk how to make it that way

teal forum
untold zephyr
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why in most convos? you can see who's being replied to already; pings are for getting attention

rocky oyster
untold zephyr
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discord replies in a nutshell:

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rocky oyster
teal forum
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Iā€™m running into the issue that printing the seeds on screen takes more time than finding them lol

rocky oyster
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lol

teal forum
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Let me just remove those print statements for now

gleaming eagle
teal forum
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Even though it was printing every 100, 15% of seeds pass poly aura check so the screen just gets flooded

rocky oyster
coral lichen
coral lichen
rocky oyster
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that makes sense

coral lichen
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Lmao

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Also pog seeds

teal forum
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Out of a sample of 10 million seeds, for the poly aura filter:
15% of seeds pass at 1.67M seeds/sec

coral lichen
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That's pretty good

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I think...

teal forum
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Remember the old program

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It was like 0.3 seeds/sec

rocky oyster
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lol

teal forum
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but also its vision based so that was different

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funny typo lol

rocky oyster
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really has improved a lot

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(the typo)

teal forum
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shoutout to worldā€™s cutest void for telling me to look at the game code, that changed everything with seed searching

rocky oyster
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I miss them

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use to do hand dupe glitch with them

coral lichen
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Ngl seed searcher mod would be cool

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In full realease

rocky oyster
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I think they plan to

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and make it easy to change block code to get what you want instead of actually coding

coral lichen
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That or just a massive checklist

teal forum
rocky oyster
teal forum
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Did you see my run with like 700 cards

coral lichen
rocky oyster
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nah I saved a file from when I did the bug a few months ago and was like "might as well"

coral lichen
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Morse code in balatro

teal forum
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Anyway, back on track

rocky oyster
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I suck at reading mb, thought you said do instead of see

teal forum
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Let me add some more of drspectredā€™s criteria

rocky oyster
coral lichen
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60k flat šŸ«”

rocky oyster
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yeah

teal forum
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Joker filter (just first 5 jokers):
5.52M/sec, 0.14% of seeds remain

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Let me save them to file so I can check if I coded that right lol

coral lichen
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lol

teal forum
gleaming eagle
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15% is the chance that Aura gives Poly.
This doesn't include the chance that Spectral actually gives Aura
or that Spectral actually appears

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1 in 8 to get Spectral skip in Ante 1
1 in 6 to get Aura
1 in 6 to get Poly

teal forum
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Still, even compounded with the pack giving aura and from a spectral skip it was ~0.5%, and wouldā€™ve been slower

untold zephyr
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i'm getting 0.176% for aura poly šŸ¤”

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total

teal forum
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lol, we can find more seeds now

teal forum
teal forum
untold zephyr
teal forum
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odds are also slightly higher for aura and lower for spectral skip because of repeats being checked/not, but that doesnā€™t rly matter

gleaming eagle
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Shop 1 immolate is going to be a low yield filter
I expect

teal forum
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yeah, the question is speed

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there are a few layers of calculations to that so Iā€™m curious what will happen

gleaming eagle
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oh, yeah
you have to check multiple layers

teal forum
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The random calls are the slowest

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There are 5 random calls for joker, while there are 5-7 for a spectral pack depending on how many cards there are

teal forum
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The first random call eliminates 90% of seeds, so weā€™ll see what happens

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joker code works btw, just checked the first seed that satisfied it

teal forum
gleaming eagle
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I can DM it to you
I expect a lot of activity here tonight

teal forum
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No worries

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Should be done coding in a half hour or so

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Ok, Immolate is a much better filter than I expected

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16M seeds/sec, 0.2% success rate

coral lichen
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immolate is stronk

teal forum
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That feels wrong though

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the success rate

coral lichen
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0.2%?

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ignore me ic ant do maths

teal forum
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Wait I read it wrong lol

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Should be 2%, which does check out

digital lintel
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So excited to see what will come out of this! But 3 in the morning here, should probably go to bed but feel like a kid waiting for seed Santa. X)
See you all tomorrow!

gleaming eagle
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1 in 10 for Spectral pack
1 in 5 for Immolate
šŸ¤”

teal forum
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Itā€™s just weird that itā€™s under 2%, when it should be slightly over because of pack sizes

coral lichen
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spectral packs are general a size of 2 tho

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not sure if your thinking they have 3

teal forum
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I think I know why

gleaming eagle
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no, but they could have 3, so the probability of immolate should be slightly higher

teal forum
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Not accounting for retry conditions

gleaming eagle
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ooooo

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And that's fine we don't, right?

teal forum
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I just assumed RETRY=-1, but when 00001H reorganized this they didn't add that
ah well, one line of code to change

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coral lichen
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this math and rng stuff hurts my bwain :whine:

teal forum
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when the game genereates Soul or Black Hole (two spectrals that aren't in the demo) it just rerolls

gleaming eagle
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mm ok

teal forum
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but they're still in the list

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same for vouchers, but there's a lot more rerolling

gleaming eagle
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same for retries with vouchers

gleaming eagle
teal forum
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yes

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I fixed it, we should see speed slightly decrease and odds slightly increase

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15.95M/sec, 2.3% of seeds pass

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last criteria to check for speed is telescope

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the later jokers and spectral pack have to be checked later

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For vouchers:
5M/sec, 33% of seeds pass

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Here's a little table:

Criteria  | Speed | Remain
Poly Aura | 1.67M | 15%
Jokers    | 5.52M | 0.14%
Immolate  | 15.9M | 2.3%
Telescope | 5.00M | 33%
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now we do some math to find the optimal order

gleaming eagle
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Hm.
Not all math is fun imo

teal forum
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agreed

gleaming eagle
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teaching Differential Equations is ass

teal forum
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Ok I came up with a function that determines the effective speed per second of eliminating 50% of seeds

gleaming eagle
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šŸ¤”

teal forum
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So the order I should search is:

  • Immolate
  • first 5 jokers
  • Telescope
  • Poly Aura
gleaming eagle
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That was my guess, too

teal forum
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After the first two filters only 1 in 35k seeds remain so it doesnā€™t really matter

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Now we just have to put everything together

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And add the other filters

gleaming eagle
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optimizing the filter order is huge

teal forum
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Maybe we can hit like 60M/sec on my PC

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that would be huge

gleaming eagle
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power trip

teal forum
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you could search the entire Balatro seed pool in under a day

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I thought we would need GPU support to achieve that!

gleaming eagle
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What's the target "successes" per minute?

teal forum
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idk

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Probably around the range of 1

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Biggest thing at this point with the massive speed boost is to get a lot of good seeds, and optimize the list later

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Even if it was like 1/sec theyā€™d all be incredible high score seeds compared to the currently known ones

gleaming eagle
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true true

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only 1440 minutes in a day

teal forum
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Let me scroll up now to add the other requirements lol

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Ok, Iā€™m going to take a small risk here

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Iā€™m not checking for repeated spectral cards, but that could result in a small % of seeds having aura in the first pack

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that can be analyzed later though

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Time to start running the search

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@rocky oyster ping because you asked

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Gonna prototype it for a bit and then let it run overnight

gleaming eagle
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seems fine

teal forum
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111H65CT
first seed to pass all filters

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I'm getting one every 20 secs or so

gleaming eagle
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about 1500 for an 8 hour search then, yeah?

teal forum
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More, because this isnā€™t on my PC

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Maybe like 6k

gleaming eagle
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6k seems... fine? idk lol

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For a first pass
without filtering for Negatives
and not even including Burglar yet

teal forum
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Surely my filters all worked šŸ¤”

teal forum
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Iā€™ll start the seed search on my PC now

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111H65CT
1156WYY2
118V9BC4
11CGPV5F
11DDA1CD
11EHFW7T
11I2AGTW
11IDUXJ2
11LKZ1L2
11N4YJU7
11NQNHAG
11ORHPUG
11S7OLSZ
11UGZV9S
11UM8IHO
11X38HTM
11Y7WARV
11Y8WFFV
11YKT7ZR
11YNFE7P
121PIEGH
122UQDNQ
1232A2Q7
123KNVCL
126IQG3C
126QAL6C
I found these

gleaming eagle
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I'll probe a few now, yeah

teal forum
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want to know the crazy thing? that was 2138801186 (2.1B) seeds. Already. That fast.

gleaming eagle
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insane

teal forum
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let's see the speeds on my PC now, just have to change a few parameters and send it over to that computer

coral lichen
gleaming eagle
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111H65CT
has Jumbo Spectral, Immolate is the third card
Reroll for Blueprint and 8 Ball

First two Tarot are Hanged Man and Judgment.
Judgment gives List on Full House for +$4

Second two Tarot are Devil and Star for Flush House vs The Head

coral lichen
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ofc you go and do the first one on the list

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also should i be running these on abandoned, given that immolate is shop 1

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lmao 126QAL6C has immolate, but also poly aura in the same spectral

gleaming eagle
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Next Tarots are Hermit, Moon, Death, Strength

Round 3 shop has Spectral,
Sigil, Aura, Grim
confirmed Poly

teal forum
coral lichen
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i know, just kinda funny that it did give poly aura

gleaming eagle
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If you get a second Aura later, it will give you the Poly

teal forum
coral lichen
gleaming eagle
teal forum
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Moment of truth, letā€™s see the speed

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40M/second :O

gleaming eagle
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šŸ˜®

gleaming eagle
coral lichen
teal forum
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It will take 16 hours to search every seed in Balatro (without punctuation)

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With punctuation itā€™s 30 hours

coral lichen
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every seed is a bit overkill

teal forum
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thatā€™s good

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Wait until I filter the thousands of seeds I collect for negatives

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We already hit 100 seeds on my PC

gleaming eagle
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1156WYY2
Immolate from Mega Spectral
Blueprint is first
Rerolls offer Tarot rather than jokers
8 Ball is the second Joker, occurring in the "fourth" shop

coral lichen
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alr wait, selling tarots does go through the pool right

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im not like going insane?

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dammit i got polychrome on a 5

gleaming eagle
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118V9BC4
Shop 1 Immolate.
Buy Blueprint and reroll for 8 Ball
Telescope is in Ante 1 but can be purchased after round 2 because of 8 Ball money.
Poly Aura confirmed (by Spectral skip)

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the filters appear to be working

teal forum
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yay

gleaming eagle
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Also, I'm feeling more convinced Immolate was the right call

coral lichen
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yup i agree

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insane jumpstart on moner, and abandoned cycling is so free

gleaming eagle
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Round 1 Blue Ball without skip is huge

coral lichen
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126QAL6C feels really strong right now, crystal ball, telescope, triple 8ball, surviving off a bus

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only issue is that flush house isnt most played hand

gleaming eagle
coral lichen
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yeah

gleaming eagle
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anyway, have fun, kids

coral lichen
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its currently 3flh to 7hc šŸ„¶

gleaming eagle
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I'll sit back and wait for round 2

coral lichen
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im not getting justice šŸ˜­

teal forum
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gonna sleep overnight on this, then send all the seeds and start filtering

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Itā€™s 45M/s now

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idk why

coral lichen
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idk

teal forum
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we also just hit 600 seeds

coral lichen
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ngl i think dusk 30-100 might be a bit too high-

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i had around 100-200 dollars post ante 4 and i didnt see the 2nd dusk lmao

teal forum
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Glitchless WR reaches ~100 into the seed pool

gleaming eagle
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I think the Negative Todd was like 97

coral lichen
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huh

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maybe im just conserving too much moner

gleaming eagle
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Watch the run LOL

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You might learn something

coral lichen
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i dont feel like learning

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imma do my own thing

gleaming eagle
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WW BP DNA is pretty hilarious ngl

coral lichen
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it is

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imma run a few more seeds then go snoze

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lmao just immolated with the drawn cards being (A, 9, 8, 8, 7, 7, 6, 4) it deleted everything except the 8's and 4's lmao

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its like it wants me to use 8ball

teal forum
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One hour in, and over 2000 seeds!

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Seeds already start with 3Gā€¦

rocky oyster
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Just got back

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WhatWhat I miss

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Nvm other chat

untold zephyr
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every seed searchable is insane

teal forum
teal forum
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Update: every seed has been searched

untold zephyr
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holy hell

earnest veldt
gleaming eagle
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Trust me, I'm a doctor