#Boss Blind Rerolls
grand sedge
starting this thread to keep related discussion in relevant suggestion
also i disagree with having the mechanic - personally i think part of the struggle/fun is building a deck that can handle the challenges of the boss blinds, and if there r any that outright kill the build then maybe it is too specialized
jade gate
I could see an argument for both cases
Because on one end if the boss blind counters your build you could do a build pivot if you aren't that invested but on another end its kinda annoying if you already committed so much to your build that you can't pivot anymore
little atlas
The thing is at the start of a new blind you have 2 shops to fix your build that is not enough time to prepare an entire counter.
grand sedge
true, but i think having the foresight of "i know this mechanic exists that can kill me, so i need to have enough alternative power that doesnt rely on my builds primary strength to get past it" is a pretty important/central part to a lot of games that rely on building something (deck, character, city, etc)
jade gate
Yeah that's the difficult spot right because you don't have enough time to fix your build
little atlas
Like I said in ante 3 or 4 fine you can do that 6+ its too hard to do that.
jade gate
Because in STS you can generally find enough time to at least give yourself a chance to beat the act 3 boss if its mechanic hurts you that badly
But generally its a known issue
So you are preparing for it
grand sedge
yeah i cant comment on the later antes - i do not have the ability to test
but i think that further goes to my point of it requiring foresight, and knowing that putting all ur eggs in one basket is not necessarily going to be successful, even if it can cause higher scoring
jade gate
But I'm not sure if that's fair for balatro
little atlas
it just feels bad to know your build is doomed if you get one boss blind late
I think this last patch made the game really hard to its just an extra feels bad man
jade gate
Yeah from what ive seen
grand sedge
it definitely looks like a lot of people r struggling with 0.8.8
jade gate
Hmm alright what about this you can reroll the boss blind but you must take a multiplier hit if you do so
little atlas
I just see gothic die on ante 6 and 7 every run lol
little atlas
-100 base chips
jade gate
I could see that
little atlas
leftmost joker is disabled
grand sedge
that compromise actually seems pretty reasonable - some sort of negative/hindrance (not just money) for the actual fight, and the reroll wont necessarily guarantee it will be easier
little atlas
well money is now a huge resource
jade gate
Its a way to avoid the feels bad of getting completely countered while rewarding players who are able to pivot
grand sedge
yeah but if its just pay $10 to not die, of course ur gonna take it (unless u have less than $10)
jade gate
^
grand sedge
like, the money doesnt directly impact the current fight, if uknow what i mean
little atlas
i said 20 I wasnt trying to make it cheap
grand sedge
i just mean more that the money, while important, especially for future fights, won't actually affect the boss battle at that point in time, which i think should be a requirement if ur going to reroll it
little atlas
I go back to what i said at the start, I think a base mechanic is you should be able to re roll any one blind for 20 bucks and the voucher makes it 50% off
jade gate
But honestly I think the debuff would actually be a better system
grand sedge
i assume interest is still a mechanic? i think most people would be holding $25 anyway in most cases if it is
little atlas
yes
jade gate
Yeah it is still in
little atlas
but then that shiny foil is for sale...
grand sedge
so i still posit that rerolling would be too easy, especially as u generally only need it once (most builds only have 1, MAYBE 2 specific boss blinds that kill it)
if it was just money for the reroll i mean
little atlas
THE ARM!!!!
jade gate
My thoughts was it was too easy to reroll with money as well
So I think taking a debuff would actually be fair
And if you are willing to pivot
Now you have $20 to pivot with so get creative
grand sedge
another option would be (rather than outright rerolling) some sort of "delay" mechanic - pay to delay this specific boss, giving u potential time to pivot build to deal with it later on, but it is guaranteed to be there later
jade gate
I see that
little atlas
Voucher idea: The Scout: you can every boss ahead
could be a starting deck you know every boss blind ability
jade gate
Honestly would be a great voucher and starting deck
grand sedge
i think every would be too strong, but maybe like 2/3 boss blinds ahead
jade gate
Yeah not seeing all the boss blinds
What is instead of seeing bosses ahead you just saw the last 3 boss blinds with the starter deck?
brave delta
thanks for turning this into a thread