merry moss
Im trying to follow the guide and reusing as many units as i can so i dont need to rune something new. ill rerune if needed but i dont want to sink resources into the wrong place.
im thinking making my team something like this. I think the order of the monsters can change on the teams, and i am open to suggestions changing the units.
Xiong fei was already skilled up 2nd skill.
wet burrow
i would look at ?sr5 again. obviously you read it but i would try to read it more carefully
for example it recommends 2:4 frontline 4 backline
there's no reason to do any other variations than that
and you really want to try and follow the monster suggestions it has
dont add in random monsters
mellow wolf
just try it? that's the entire point of this team, that you don't waste any resources on anything
if you're following this guide/team it's impossible to sink resources into the wrong place. if you are, then you're not following the guide
merry moss
true, im mainly concerned about the lapis and hreas. they were kind of just filler units. but i should just try it. idk what a good 3rd lead would be from the units i already have. so i just added a 24%atk lead
mellow wolf
are you considering reruning units to be an investment?
i mean first of all both lapis and hraes are end game pve units. my main account uses both of them heavily
second if you're that low on mana you have other issues
merry moss
i mean reruning them wouldnt be to bad, i guess ill just try with 2:4 and this and report back. i just gotta 6* the lulu and i should be good
and coleen
mellow wolf
make sure you read the stat/rune guidelines part of the guide
your runes are always going to be much more important than which specific monsters you use
merry moss
btw its working good enough right now, i changed some units. it fails if the middle or left team gets stun locked (i havent actually checked the ehp of each mon). but that can probably change with some more tuning. and its not often enough to where i have to do it right now.
im still probably going to take a day where i find time to make it consistent, and im actually low on mana now
kindred carbon
switch lapis with 2a raoq
is your xiong fei S2 max skilled? if it isnt, i would recommend another cleanser such as fedora/raviti
and from 1 glance, your kona and XF arent runed properly
merry moss
xiong fei s2 is max skilled, i was just using the runes i had available for xiong fei and kona. but what would you recommend?
kindred carbon
if XF s2 is already maxed, use him
merry moss
i think if i put the kona on violent, will the success will go up for me. ill try running it with 2a raoq instead of lapis.
kindred carbon
do not force violent runes on kona if you cant meet the stat requirements for it
merry moss
i might be able to, but im not going to force it. only needs 120k ehp if i put it on violent will right?
The following are some rough numbers to shoot for. Note that these are just general guidelines and not firm requirements. There's 18 individual monsters each contributing something and everyone is going to have different exact teams and setups. Some teams may work with less than the suggested numbers, but at the same time, hitting all the suggested numbers doesn't guarantee your team will work either.
All numbers mentioned here are total stats, including lead and summoner skills. This is because not everyone is using the same lead skills so that needs to factor in.
All frontline monsters: 220k eHP, with at least 1600 def
All backline monsters: 120k eHP (yes this means that your squishy DD like Ardella may need a slot 2 or slot 6 HP% main rune)
In addition to the above survivability requirements, healers/cleansers should have at least 220 speed, the more the better. They will benefit from 100 res and Vio, although neither are absolutely necessary. If you choose to get res, go for 100 or don't bother with any at all. If you aren't running 100 res and also not on Vio, then you should aim to have over 250 speed.
In addition to the above survivability requirements, damage dealers need damage. It's ok if you don't hit exactly 100 CR. It's a good goal to aim for but since you have sustain, you're only look for average damage output and a missed crit won't kill you. 150-160 speed is enough for most damage dealers.
15% is the Acc requirement for R5. Any monster with a debuff should get this, it's not hard anyway.```
following thisyour kona only needs 120k ehp because he's on your backline, not cause you put him on violent
and kona doesnt need will, none of the monsters in ?sr5 do
merry moss
yea, iknow. but if i didnt put him on violent i would need him on more speed. not that the speed req is that bad.
oh, i read that wrong. i need 220 speed anyways. nice catch
kindred carbon
to add on, your right team dont have a consistent source of atk debuff, which is extremely important if you want your monsters to survive
closest being sabrina's s2, but it only applies attack debuff by 1 turn with a 60% chance, and there's a 2 turn cooldown if s2 is max skilled
merry moss
would you recommend i just remove the twins altogether?
kindred carbon
no, twins are your greatest source of damage, you want them both in
what does your riley do in team 3?
merry moss
she was initally there for the atk buff and heal, and i used hreas as a filler unit, but i now see that they overlap
kindred carbon
yes, you already have XF which can cleanse and heal a little, you have belladeon which can heal with s3
hraes s3 attack buffs as well, so there's no need for riley to be there
id remove riley and have XF take his place (this means that XF will need 220k ehp instead since he would be front line)
build XF same with how you build 2a lulu, with the addition of 15% acc as his s1 def breaks
then the last spot could be given to ardella, she does a lot of damage while applying consistent attack debuff (s1)
merry moss
i sent my monster box in the first photo, do you see any other replacement for the riley? just so i know. ardella is a nice choice, ill look into.
thank you for the help btw
kindred carbon
np
merry moss
on a side note, is it worth building teams for the 3 other elements, or do I just naturally progress to where it happens on its own?