#PVP Teams needed

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limber portal
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Hi, I've been playing SW again after a long break and have now got my PVE teams all up to scratch and are all running at a stable 30 seconds approx.
Now I want to tackle PVP.
My arena team so far has been Tiana Pung Galle CP. But it's not doing so well anymore. Not fast enough and often not strong enough or there are too many counters somehow.
I'm not actual in RTA and not really BK either.

What can you currently play well in Arena in the Cleave and what would be good for RTA and BK or where can I find current teams, preferably also directly with information on which stats you have to have and which runes.

Arena I am at C3 and would like to go up 1-3 levels. RTA I can barely manage C1 and would also like to be P1. BK we are at P2.

I have most of NAT5, All Nat4 incl. LD

LD5: Qitian, Nigong, Veronica, Bedict, Ella, Giselle, Leona, Alexandra, Silvia, Dark Dancer purpu-phönix

river geyser
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?ao

modest furnaceBOT
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  • Fat Lushen: Psamathe, Kabilla, Kona/Teon/wind Nezuko, Lushen

    • Used against squishy speed ADs such as Psama Triton Sav Kaki.
    • If no Psama, use Gin. If you're really poor, use Susano Orion/Wayne Kona.
    • If no Kabilla, use Eshir or Bernard.
    • Against slow tankier ADs, you can use attack lead such as Alicia and Mirinae/Miriam instead of Kabilla .

  • Tiana Galleon: Tiana Galleon +2 DD

    • Used against tanky bruiser AD such as Karnal Nora Xing Abellio.
    • If you have Deborah, it's common to run Deb + Kaki/Pung.
    • See ?tianagalleon for detailed info.

  • Bomb team: Seara Tiana Miriam +1 bomber

    • Used against stall AD such as Vanessa Juno Cami Cami.
    • Hongyeon/2A Colleen is an alternative to Miriam that lets you race ADs with swift strippers.
    • For the + 1 bomber, John > Liebli > Sian.

  • Leo Christina: Leo Delphoi Galleon Christina

    • Used against tanky AD with weak stripper such as Vanessa Amduat Cami Abellio.
    • Delphoi can be replaced with Tiana against ADs with immunity buffers.

  • Leah (light Chun-Li): Chiwu Adriana Leah Truffle/Jasmine

    • Used against many things such as Vanessa Zen Cami Byungchul.
    • If no Chiwu, use Gemini.
    • If no Adriana, use Kahli.
    • A worse but still strong variant of this team is Chiwu Eshir Galleon Leah.

  • Double snipe: Jamire Adriana +2 ignore def single target DD

    • Used against against speedy stall ADs such Vanessa Juno Cami Byung.
    • If no Adriana, use Kahli.
    • If no Jamire, use another speed lead such as Seara.
    • The best ignore def single target DD is Rigna. Other options include Bethony, Sonia, Covenant, Kahli, Claire, Taru, Odin.
    • A poverty version of this is Praline + 3 ignore def DD. The poverty refers to the monsters, it actually takes higher rune quality to pull this off.

  • Dot AO: Haegang + 3 dotters

    • See ?dotao for more detailed info.

  • Lamiella Amber: Vero Tr1x Lamiella Amber

  • See ?lamiella for more detailed info.

outer crescent
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quick question but what's BK?

river geyser
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Should read beginner pvp in resources aswell

outer crescent
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i checked online and i get BK as Barb King, but then i dont understand what it means by being P2 rank in BK

merry kestrel
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assume its siege in a different language

outer crescent
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ah fair enough

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for ao, when's the last time you rushed with tiana galleon?

limber portal
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BK is Siege

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Tiana Galle last rush 2 y ago i think

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Lushen no chance. F1 i fail 100%. Everyone to much HP or too fast.
Christina Team works only few times. Most of time im too slow. After Leo turn i get killed 😄
Leah loose many times too.

I tried Jamire Adriana with sonia and claire. For BK i used same (no Jamire) and it work fine, but arena ppl are too fast. My Adriana has +201 Spd

outer crescent
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firstly, both tiana galleon and lushen offense are still meta

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both capable of getting you to g1 at the bare minimum

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if you are struggling at F1 with lushen offense, you're either not hitting the right defenses, your booster is too slow, or your lushen/speed lead are too weak

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and arena has been revamped so its much easier to get higher ranks now compared to last time

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and to add on, you're not expected to beat every defense you see

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as long as you can beat 1 defense per refresh fast enough, u will climb during rush

limber portal
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Im able to hit 1 per 5-6 refresh.
My Lushen has +2151 ATK und 250%CD
Adriana +210, Bastet +211, teon +192, kona +193

Tiana +185 swift and second tiana +151 shield shield will

C1 Arena most outspeed this or get only little dmg and kills me 😄

river geyser
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Thats better than my lushen and I got p1 last rush with lushen being my only AO

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What type of defenses are u attacking with lushen?

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Also u don’t need all 3 of those pretty sure

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U want a 2nd dmg dealer to clean up

outer crescent
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may i know what your entire lushen team is?

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that tiana is kinda slow, but its sufficient in C1

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feels like you're not attacking the right defenses

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or you do not know what defense lushen and tiana galleon ao can hit, thats why u somehow can refresh 5 times for 1 hit

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dont expect 1 AO to be able to hit every single defenses you see

bright trout
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yea something is very wrong here

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you are missing very basics of the game

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start from the beginning. focus on one team. show builds on that team. show what you're hitting. what you're not hitting

limber portal
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i dont think so.
Its just, that most outspeed me and even if i make 76k dmg, every camilla stay there with half HP and laugh about me.

WIth Lushen i try attack defs without bruiser. I cant kill any byung, camilla, vanessa (90% defs have this). DMg is not enough.
My Lushe cant kill Vanessa, but everyone uses Vanessa in def. So i used Pung for vanessa or other reviver. Worked well 2 y ago, but now theres always one Monster who can avoid his dmg.

Many has Vanessa, Byung, Abellio + ld5. None of the teams you called can win this.

Some Teams has Vanessa/Psa, Triton, Savannah, Tian/devilsmaiden/.... They are all to fast for me. Dont get any hit.

river geyser
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ur not supposed to lushen a vanessa byung abellio defense

limber portal
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Lushen Team i tried some variations.
Most of Time Psa Lead on Rage and low HP, to finish. + 2 ATB Buff like Teon, Bastet, Bernard, Adriana, Kona...

river geyser
limber portal
river geyser
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but u wanna hit fast defenses with low hp

limber portal
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yes, but everyone is fastger in c1 arena

river geyser
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my fastest swift set is +204 and i got p1

limber portal
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+200 spd is not enough

river geyser
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i sometimes get outsped by a triton but thats about it

outer crescent
limber portal
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every opponents monster get a turn before i can use my atb push

river geyser
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?spdtune

modest furnaceBOT
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Speed Tuning
Teams with boosters must be speed tuned. To do this, open https://sw-tools.net/optimizer. Select your booster (Tiana/Draco/Praline/etc) for monster For Rune Speed, put the bonus speed (for example: 96 + 175) of Tiana in. Then select the rest of your monsters in the correct turn order. Make sure that your monsters are runed with the minimum bonus speed requirements, otherwise the comp will not function correctly.

outer crescent
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psama + lushen, and what are the other 2?

limber portal
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f.e. adriana+bastet

outer crescent
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that doesnt even make sense

river geyser
outer crescent
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your lushen wouldnt even be able to move without a resurger (kona/teon)

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a standard lushen team is spd lead (that cleans up), lushen, booster, teon/kona

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best would be kabilla, if you have

limber portal
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yees, i tried this too

outer crescent
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otherwise, eshir works too

limber portal
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kabilla never works for me. dont know why

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and i dont have more spd sets. next step ist 15o

river geyser
limber portal
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only called monsters has higher spd.

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ofc speedtuned

outer crescent
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its very easy to tune teon to kabilla

limber portal
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i use a aexcel sheet for it

craggy isle
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her only purpose is to contest first

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i think you just need to stop asking questions and read #1048719420870107227 , there's already a good ton of info there that explains a lot of basics

bright trout
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the more you talk the more you reveal that you know very little about how this game works

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you are trying to run before you know how to walk

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and complaining that you're tripping while you're trying to run

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you're saying "oh but im not some newb, look i have all these good shoes for running"

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but you don't know how to walk

limber portal
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sorry, i play since 10 years and only last 2y it doesnt work well. All these infos are not new for me, but all of this teams dont work cause im too slow or weak against all those bruiser defs. thats why i am looking for new teams who can beat these defs.

i build all these teams some time ago and watched videos about them. BUt against same defs i never won with this. f.e. i never killed any monster with christina team.

bright trout
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if you are willing to learn we can help

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if you want to keep pretending that you know more than you do, i'm sorry we can't help

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you can try the other discord

limber portal
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I have rebuilt the teams mentioned. I also attacked the defs that should or can be attacked with them. But I rarely get these teams as opponents. As I said, it's usually Vanessa Byung Camilla +1. None of the teams described above can compete with them. I've tried this many times. Speed tuning is fine. I always build it so that the monsters only have 1 speed difference (atb buff included).

The problem is that the opponents either have such strong defences that they can easily absorb the damage from Pung, Lushen, Christina etc.. Or they are so fast that I don't get a single attack. The third possibility is that they block Chiwu's strip, for example, and then I can't land a defbreak.

If you say I'm doing something wrong, I'd like to know what it is. The teams are modelled 1-to-1 from videos, but they don't give me the same result. Most of the videos and guides are also 2 years old or older. So something will certainly have changed in that time. I've only played PVE sporadically in that time. Are there any mechanics or buffs/nerfs etc. that have affected these teams? I can't find any info on this.

I can only say that it doesn't work for me as described here. It has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to help. on the contrary. I don't understand why people say that. I haven't refused anything and I've never said or given reason to think that I think I need more and don't need help. It would be nonsensical to write here.

limber portal
bright trout
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start from the beginning. focus on one team. show builds on that team. show what you're hitting. what you're not hitting

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you haven't shown anything yet

limber portal
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Dont understand.
I told: Theres 90% the same team in Def: Vanessa, Byung, Camilla +1
None oft the teams shown work for this.
There are no other teams i can hit or not. So theres no question about it.
If i can hit this team, im sure to get higher rank.

bright trout
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as long as you can beat 1 defense per refresh fast enough, u will climb during rush

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you should be skipping 90% of defs

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you don't need to hit Vanessa, Byung, Camilla +1

limber portal
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i skip 99% xD

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i need, cause this is 99% def. others are high spd teams

bright trout
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you are exaggerating numbers

limber portal
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no

bright trout
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bye