#RTA help please. Currently sitting around 1300 rank.

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distant ruin
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For the 5* select this event I picked Sonia. I also just pulled Wind Art Master.

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Usually my draft starts with Vanessa and Seara for a guarantees speed lead. Then I go into Gapsoo, Sonia, Skemett.... Sometimes a Chow or Lakia. Also been using Eshir a bit and noticed some sustain teams crush me and I have done well with some sustain teams where I can keep heals up and my units alive.

zealous axle
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You're leaning very heavily into turn 1 but lacking good following up here, so yes a sustain team will usually crush it very easily

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You'll need to learn how to pivot out of hard turn 1

zealous axle
distant ruin
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Not all, but all of my nat5 which I think are best suited for RTA

zealous axle
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No Oliver or jeong?

distant ruin
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Nope, I thought about getting Oliver instead of Haegang for the 5* select but ended up with Haegang since I already have Vanessa, Seara, and Water Twins for speed leads.

zealous axle
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Fire monkey?

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Also show some drafts that you lost

distant ruin
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No

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Can I tell who won and lost in World Arena info?

zealous axle
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From whether u gain or lost points

toxic meteor
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ok so you can remove a few units crom there to start with, byung, inosukes, rigna, water mk and chakra, you dont need a lot of units

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you need a couple cores

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and then you need to understand drafts

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okeanos and ashour are also iffy if you dont have really good runes and artifacts

distant ruin
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These are all losing matches

toxic meteor
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also dont use dark undine, very fun unit but thats it, its not viable

distant ruin
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I dont have dark Undine... My units are on the left

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These are the only ones I have runed.

toxic meteor
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oh thats better, only thing there that makes little sense is byung

floral shale
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i think personally u either commit to t1 or go t2

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but most of ur units are t1

distant ruin
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You dont like Byungchul?

toxic meteor
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also this, define what you want to do

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byung is a siege mon

distant ruin
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t1?

toxic meteor
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not much more than that

floral shale
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turn 1

distant ruin
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Oh

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Well water art master and wind art master are good T2 units?

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for a control comp?

toxic meteor
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you have adriana right?

floral shale
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when u go nessa and seara then adding gapsoo and laika or gapsoo and chow don't seem to make too much sense, unless they are ur last pick that hard counters enemy draft

distant ruin
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Yeah, havent used Adrianna yet

toxic meteor
floral shale
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people like to go like
nessa fp
then adriana and sonia 2/3 p

distant ruin
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Laika has done well in a couple matches. The sustain has done well for me. Chow never seems to do much, lol

toxic meteor
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get adriana in there if you want to use sonia

floral shale
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then u choose ur 4/5 based on enemy draft

toxic meteor
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laika is just a counterpick, last pick

floral shale
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^

distant ruin
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What if they ban Vanessa? Then I lose speed lead?

floral shale
distant ruin
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You like the Seara pick or think I need to learn how to use water twins?

floral shale
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important is for you to secure nessa+adriana+sonia imo

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with t1 style

toxic meteor
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you have water twins there

distant ruin
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Sonia probably gets banned most of the time when I pick her

toxic meteor
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first pick twins instead of vanessa

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its a way more complete unit than vanessa for most comps imo

floral shale
toxic meteor
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rigna without adriana just stands there

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so avoid rigna

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I would just take her out of the box tbh lol

distant ruin
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That is my Sonia

toxic meteor
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ah that needs a lot of work

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its not gonna ignore much without adriana and too slow and not 100 cr

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plus artis are a bit bad

distant ruin
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She does a lot better since I dropped CD slot 4 and put Attack

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Yeah, she gets Vanessa or Seara lead but no attack buff or speed buff unless I took Eshir

floral shale
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use cr 4 slot

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that will be much easier for you to rune her up

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speed cr attack

distant ruin
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She is at 97%, that is not horrible...

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I think I was waiting on one stone so I could change and get a little more crit to hit 100%

toxic meteor
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3% chance of throwing matches is 3% non wanted odds

floral shale
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anyway i think one thing at a time. ur box is more t1 friendly than t2. so i'd focus on running ur cores on t1 teams

distant ruin
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Is my Sonia fast enough to do T1?

floral shale
distant ruin
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I am at 1267 and was recently 1311...

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Would like to stay above 1300

floral shale
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better runes

distant ruin
floral shale
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staying 1300+ should be no issue really

distant ruin
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Yeah, I farm R5 almost non-stop when I can

floral shale
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overall i think ur swift units are not fast enough

toxic meteor
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ok I would probably advise you to actually try t2 based on your runed

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runes*

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the units are too slow

distant ruin
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So would it be easier for me to go T2 then since you say that?

floral shale
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do u have good vio runes to pull off?

toxic meteor
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ethna is one of those units you shouldnt even consider if you dont have basically g3 runes

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she is kinda useless without really good runes

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I cant rune a proper ethna

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a good one from Dale for example

distant ruin
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That is... fasst

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What rank are you @toxic meteor

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Oh, thats not your ethna? That is "Dale's"?

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@Han I have a lot of violent, I can link some of my vio units

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Violent Units:

floral shale
distant ruin
floral shale
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i think u can have them all ready, and draft accordingly

distant ruin
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I dont know why I put CD on Miles slot 4...

floral shale
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@distant ruin miles dont need cd

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yeah

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vio+shield

distant ruin
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Miles is Vio / Will. Gapsoo is Vio / Nemesis. Byun is Vio / Broken

zealous axle
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Shield over will for miles 100%

toxic meteor
distant ruin
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I think I like swift also better on Miles vs Violent

zealous axle
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I wouldnt really do byung for rta

toxic meteor
floral shale
toxic meteor
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miles needs vio

distant ruin
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I am not attacked to Byun. I am going to remove runes on a few and go back to the same 6-8 units again

toxic meteor
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its one of those units that have foolproof kits

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if it goes 2 turns, something might die

distant ruin
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Miles should be Speed / HP / HP though... right?

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I really have no idea why I did CD, lol

zealous axle
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With a decent vio shield set you're faster than a few swift units because of his passive

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Swift set just wastes his bruiser potential

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Yes

distant ruin
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Adrianna is T2 unit that will help me?

toxic meteor
toxic meteor
distant ruin
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T1 even though no attack bar increase? Thats why I think Eshir has done well for me the attack bar boost has helped me 1st turn a few times.

toxic meteor
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what is adriana base speed

zealous axle
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I dont see tesarion, he'll be quite clutch as a t2 unit

toxic meteor
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and what does her s3 do

distant ruin
toxic meteor
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that should answer you

distant ruin
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I even have Vaness on swift

zealous axle
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Vanessa swifr is fine, but i see basically no acc

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U need acc for vanessa

distant ruin
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So you think T2 focus instead of T1 like I am doing now?

zealous axle
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Yeah. Your runes dont support t1, by a large margin

distant ruin
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Haegang is good for T2, right?

zealous axle
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Only when it makes sense

toxic meteor
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haegang is a counter unit

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aside from specific comps that require him

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like layla comps

distant ruin
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Hey, I get 1st turn maybe 60% of the time... I just dont do enough on 1st turn to really put me with enough advantage.

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Not against a T2 comp though

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So what units should I focus on T2... Like standard 6-8?

zealous axle
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If u doing 1st turn comp, u need to take 1st turn 95% of the time

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U take first turn 60% of the time, and then lose 50% of thay 60%

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Thats pretty bad

distant ruin
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I am not against T2... So what like 8 units would you mostly focus on? Even T2 I want speed right? So I dont get lapped or anything but I can use Violent over swift since it matters less to move 1st?

zealous axle
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You'll need speed that makes sense yeah. Show your whole box and we can see

distant ruin
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Whole box would take a while. I have most 4* stuff. Then the ones I already posted above are my units that are RTA stuff. I mean I have all paladin elements, all lightning emperor elements, Rica/Anavel, Wind Dragon, all macroon guards, Zen... A lot of basic more normal 5* that I dont really see in RTA

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Wind Dragon Warrior

zealous axle
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Whole nat5 *

distant ruin
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I wish there was an easier way to send a full list, loll

austere ridge
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there is

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swgt

zealous axle
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Or use third party apps yeah

distant ruin
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swgt?

zealous axle
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You can do it from collections, takes like 6 screenshots ig

austere ridge
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upload your json to swgt (website)

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and it can show your box like this

zealous axle
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Simi help me extract my json please

austere ridge
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dm me I guess

zealous axle
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Kekw

distant ruin
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wow, swgt is kinda cool. I see some premade like siege teams and stuff trending which is fun.

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Im looking to see how to setup my owned units

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ah, it uploads from Json?

zealous axle
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Json is a file type that you use another app to generate, kinda like a summary of your whole account

distant ruin
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Yeah, doing that now to get updated list

zealous axle
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Then u upload the file to swgt which then makes sense of the file to smth more understandable

distant ruin
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Ah, I can only upload once per day. I tested using an old Json... Can I or should I delete and remake account?

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How do I share my list now?

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Or do you just have to add me as a friend to see?

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@zealous axle Take a look?

zealous axle
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Can just screenshot the box

distant ruin
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Doesnt include Water Spectre Princess, Rica, Haegang, Wind Art Master... I think that is it as far as missing ones goes.

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My JKK units are not listed there. I put them in my 1st pic I posted though

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@zealous axle Thanks for helping and taking a look BTW. This site looks nice

zealous axle
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I'm wondering if smth like Seara miles sekh can work as core. It looks kinda turn 1 but fairly easy to pivot to turn 2 with that opening draft

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@toxic meteor thoughts?

distant ruin
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I liked Sekh since she has a high base speed

distant ruin
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@zealous axle Who would be next or other options after Seara, Miles, and Sekh? Haegang helps with 2nd turn, right or if they just have a high debuff team? With the 3 you listed there is a little control but no heavy damage or heavy control...

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Thanks for the help everyone, I am getting off but if you have more options and comps I should focus on that would be greatly appreciated.

zealous axle
# distant ruin <@293819655011696650> Who would be next or other options after Seara, Miles, and...

From there it really depends on the enemy draft. If you see heavy cc comps with strips, going into juno haegang can work. (Caveat is juno needs decent runes and really good artifacts). If there is heavy aoes strips and dmg without as much hard cc like stuns and freeze, wind monkey is great.

If you feel like you can compete turn 1 somehow, vanessa/ water twink into sonia could work. But your sonia runes kinda doodooo soo thats rough.

If they are doing bruisers with some passives, whip out teaarion. No immunity and snipe and strips, bring in a slow, 100% resist rica. Could throw in a velajuel as a generic bruiser perhaps too. Ashoue honestly is great but as red said, need good runes and arti to function.

Having your three dragon knight as pocket pick would not be bad, but leo might fk your miles so unless theyre doing smth like sonia ciri etc kinda of comp, would be rough to bring with your miles.

toxic meteor
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Ok so I still didnt read it all, but looking at your box, even for t2 something you need runed decently at all times is juno

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veromos is very handy aswell

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I feel like you might be a bit limited vs twins meta t2 wise, you lack a lot of stuff

distant ruin
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What are the best type of artifacts that you recommend or what do I look for with good artifacts?

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@toxic meteor How would you rune Juno?

zealous axle
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Desp rev, nem if no revenge as a second best option. Spd cr hp. Tons of additional dmg artifact

toxic meteor
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Despair anything really, ideally revenge

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with as much efficiency as possible while mantaining good speed and decent cr

zealous axle
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Mine is kinda mid for where I am but just an idea

distant ruin
toxic meteor
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with artifacts focused on addl by speed, hp and atk mostly

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needs more stats than that

distant ruin
toxic meteor
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and definitely not those artifacts

zealous axle
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Artis are a total no go

toxic meteor
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also you can use vamp juno if your despair isnt good aswell

zealous axle
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Runes you can argue will work for that rank

distant ruin
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Artifacts for additional damage prop to speed?

zealous axle
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U want those three primarily

distant ruin
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Juno is on Despair now

zealous axle
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It's not just either or

distant ruin
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Wasnt there old artifacts which could have increased speed based on missing hp? or something like that?

toxic meteor
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yes

zealous axle
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Not for Juno though

toxic meteor
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but those are niche

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you want addls

zealous axle
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Just go additional dmg

distant ruin
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I dont have any of those, I left game for a while and came back when they were already removed

toxic meteor
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read artifact guide on resources

distant ruin
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Would speed up effect be good for Juno since she self buffs? I havent used Juno much...

zealous axle
zealous axle
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It's a bonus if u have to choose between two artifacts of similar additionals but one with and one without

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But your focus is only in additional dmg

distant ruin
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Ok, so bonus damage based on Speed / HP / Def are the best

zealous axle
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Mate

zealous axle
distant ruin
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ok

zealous axle
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Def if you don't have enuf atk versions since your Juno doesn't have much atk, but that's more of a Juno rune issue

distant ruin
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Something like this would be better?

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Add'l DMG based on HP, DEF, and Speed?

zealous axle
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It's a marginal improvement ig

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Just gotta farm more in the meantime

distant ruin
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Yeah, I dont farm many artifacts

zealous axle
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Arti makes or break a lot of units when u are doing rta

distant ruin
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I could drop the based on DEF and HP and greatly increased based on speed if you think that is better

zealous axle
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It's basically the difference between your Juno doing 1.5k dmg total on S1 Vs 6k dmg total on s1

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Unless it's a 130+% additional by spd on one artifact probably not

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I mean, the artifact and runes looks fine for where you are at for now

distant ruin
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I have 109% as highest

zealous axle
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Yeah no

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Just play with what you have first as you farm

distant ruin
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CR fine slot 4 Juno?

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or do I not need 100% crit?

zealous axle
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Yes you do, so people typically use slot 4 cr

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You only do less than 100cr because your runes can't hit it like mine and you settle xD

distant ruin
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This would be worse then even though I get more HP? I lose speed and some crit?

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That is not despair / revenge.... before I was just despair / broken

rain raven
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Ethna takes really really fast efficient runes, ideally your fastest set. She also wants almost every non res/cd stat

distant ruin
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@rain raven non cd stat?

rain raven
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You don't need crit damage on ethna

distant ruin
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Oh, mine is on CR right now

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@rain raven do you use Juno? What do you think of mine and is mine worse losing speed for 4k more HP?

rain raven
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You need more of everything. Hp is ok if you can keep that and get more spd/atk/def

distant ruin
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That change above is me going from Despair/Broken to Despair / Revenge...

zealous axle
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I would keep the old one

distant ruin
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Ok so the +4k hp isnt worth losing 14 speed abd 29% CR and gaining revenge

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@zealous axle This one any better? or the almost 6k HP losing 13 speed and 29 CR is not worth it?

zealous axle
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85 is the lowest I would be willing to drop the cr

toxic meteor
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im a bit late but neither is good, too slow, low stat efficiency aswell

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you may need to farm a bunch more to be able to rune things at least to an acceptable degree and perform in rta

distant ruin
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@toxic meteor I am not a very high rank. Currently sitting between 1250-1350. My goal is just to stay above 1300. You think my rune quality is too low for that rank?

floral shale
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I was around c1-c3 last season with c2 season end finish nd I must say I have better runes than you are

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Nd my box is more limited than yours

austere ridge
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I think your rune quality is fine

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just figure out how to rune things and play cores

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scrolled up a bit, looked through some monsters

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the runes looked okay, just wrong builds (like cd miles)

austere ridge
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@distant ruin Id say seara miles sekh is fine for you

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its better with lds but looks like the best core you have

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make sure to rune oke, wind monkey, masha (maybe ashour?) dominic leo vero tetra juno vela helena (leo counter)

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would also like josephine runed and uh

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oh I missed water twins

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give that a good set

zealous axle
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Except when it comes to my acc then I know shit

toxic meteor
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runes are definitely not fine

austere ridge
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for higher than c1? yes they are

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builds are just wrong