Post your box here too. That way defense and offense crafting can be a little easier.
#pyo's siege
oblique trellis
vivid scarab
oh okay
i saw simi post his box using a website
im pretty sure
what website did he use
vivid scarab
okay i got it working ty
this is a bit older
i have a few more units built but it should be around the same
hardy quiver
vivid scarab
ty 
so this is my current clara build
im probably going to make her slower
for stats and to be tuned to my other units
i just needed some context clues on how to rune her
from jumping around threads i have something in mind
vivid scarab
so this is my current clara build
wait this is 5 despair lol
from what i see
clara speeds to be built on spd cd hp
i dont have great cd runes so i went for the alternative route which is cr slot 4
my acc on her is fairly low too
also wondering on what subset to use
i couldnt find many clara builds laying around
the pvp guide one uses rev
the ones i saw being simis and donkeys use seal and nem
could i really just run about anything in there?
oblique trellis
There's plenty of ways to build Clara. I think there's probably some really easy metrics for you to attempt first before you try anything else.
First, get her to 286 tick/5 tick
Second, get her on Vio
While you can run despair, Vio is just too good to pass up.
oblique trellis
And on defense, taking any set other than Vio requires some really specific reasoning or important setups for it to work.
Procs are what make defenses win most of the time, and if you take that away, it makes it much harder for your defense to even pose a threat.
vivid scarab
what offset would be good
oblique trellis
There's several you can try. Nem, Will, Seal, Shield can all work.
Personally I put mine on Will, but you can try whatever offset you'd like to see what you like best.
Will also happens to get my clara better stats than other offsets.
oblique trellis
how much acc should i go for
That's going to depend on what you're attempting to beat with your defense.
oblique trellis
Well think of it this way:
What would you try to take into your Clara team? What kinds of teams would you use?
vivid scarab
i would probably lushen it
unique harness
What’s the rest of your Clara team?
vivid scarab
clara hraes vigor
unique harness
You should know by now don’t build anything in a vacuum
vivid scarab
jayke already knew the defense im building i think
since hes the one who brought it up
unique harness
Yeah fair enough. But if you want others to weigh in too it helps to keep all the info in this thread
unique harness
Np
oblique trellis
i would probably lushen it
Okay, what other things would you attempt to hit it with? Let's pretend you already used all your Lushens.
vivid scarab
i could probably go leah there right?
if its not cleave i have zero ideas
still trying to understand how people do bruisering stuff
oblique trellis
Bruisering involves AI manipulation and specific unit choices. There's a good guide on it in #1048719420870107227 that you can look at.
vivid scarab
ill check it ty
oblique trellis
But let's just focus on cleaves. Let's say for example that we want to build this defense to defeat a cleave. How would that work?
half coyote
oblique trellis
What would Clara need to look like to beat your Leah cleave for example? What about Vigor and Hraes? What would make it so that your Leah cleave loses into this?
vivid scarab
nem?
oblique trellis
Nem might do it, but let's go further. You were asking about if Clara needs max Acc or not.
What kinds of stats do you need to beat a cleave?
vivid scarab
being tanky
oblique trellis
Yes. Being tanky is definitely a part of it. You can also beat cleaves by outspeeding them. If your monsters move first and stop their monsters from doing their thing, they can't cleave you.
vivid scarab
i dont think i can outspeed with my team
oblique trellis
Alright, so that probably means you'll be attempting to build a team that can survive a cleave and then beat the other monsters because they didn't expect you to survive their attack.
So what stats would you want on Clara to make that happen?
vivid scarab
like overall?
oblique trellis
You'd want HP and DEF for sure. I don't think Res would be useful for Clara, so we can skip that. I believe some accuracy might be good, but I'd be willing to sacrifice accuracy for more HP and DEF.
vivid scarab
does that mean i skip cd
oblique trellis
that might be wise if you need to get more stats to survive a Lushen or a Leah cleave.
Doesn't matter how much damage Clara does if she dies turn 1 right?
vivid scarab
yea true
oblique trellis
Keep in mind this is just one way to build this defense. There's many different avenues you can take. You can go a super fast Vigor that uses S2 and then allows Clara with max acc to go next and strip/stun/def break their whole team T1 so that Hraes and Vigor clean them up.
You can build Clara to be swift so that she attempts to outspeed stuff and stun things right off the bat.
There's all sorts of things you can do. All you have to do is determine what you want to beat.
vivid scarab
i was thinking on deterring slower bruiser teams more
oblique trellis
Alright so let's take a quick example. Let's say I run Tractor Windy Tetra into your defense. How does your defense beat Tractor Windy Tetra?
(This is a really bad offense to take into this by the way, I'm just giving an example)
vivid scarab
im guessing hraes would do a lot of the heavy lifting with vigor helping him
with slight damage from clara
oblique trellis
What would Clara's role primarily be then against a bruiser comp?
vivid scarab
doing damage
oblique trellis
You just mentioned that Hraes and Vigor would be doing the heavy lifting right?
oblique trellis
Sure she can be built on damage, but I think Clara would be better off attempting to disrupt the team with strips, def breaks, stuns, and atk breaks.
Hraes is going to give her attack buff anyway so she'll get a nice boost from that.
So most likely you'll probably want Clara to be on max acc and some extra damage to boot.
oblique trellis
Yeah, atk% rolls would help her damage a lot.
Especially since the buff from Hraes will multiply that by 50%
oblique trellis
I'd rather get the acc than addls on Clara. You need her to make the bruiser team fail to take meaningful turns.
So you can kind of see how deciding what you want to beat leads in to how you build the defense yeah?
vivid scarab
yea
oblique trellis
You decide what kind of things you want the defense to do, and then you build it to do those things.
But remember you're building the whole team, not just Clara. You also want to think about Vigor and Hraesvelg and how they should be built for this defense to work how you want it to.
vivid scarab
the other two would want to be cd with decent eff right?
just so that they can kill the stuff and not die too fast
oblique trellis
Right. Give them good stats, but put them on higher damage CR/CD builds.
Try building the defense the best you can, then post the end results that you were able to put together. Then everyone here can give you advice on how to improve it.
Remember to explain what you're hoping to beat so that way they can tailor the advice they give to the proper defense builds.
vivid scarab
okay i finished my builds
i think this can do okay against bruiser comps
the thing is that my hraesvelg is very very suspicious
i do not like his stats at all
i also dont like the fact that their speed difference is pretty noticable
oblique trellis
Your monsters need to be fully skilled up on defense.
vivid scarab
i skilled up the stuff ye
still waiting a few for vigor
i skilled them up earlier though
should i ditch it for now then
since vigor isnt skilled up
oblique trellis
So clara and hraes are fully skilled?
oblique trellis
It isn't ideal but you do what you can with what you've got. Watch the guild shops like a hawk for burger king pieces.
vivid scarab
okay
well i think im taking mimirr from the hoh soon
i could send one into hraes
unless i read the event wrong
oblique trellis
Vigor's accuracy is really low.
oblique trellis
Typically you want him with higher acc. Somewhere around 30 is fine. You just want him landing def breaks and heal block.
vivid scarab
okay then
i ran really low on runes trying to make this defense lol
my runes are terrible
oblique trellis
That's okay. Building defenses is tough when you're starting out. It's why the recommendation is to only build one or two at first.
oblique trellis
Build this one with the best runes you can and then make it a priority for rune upgrades when you find them.
vivid scarab
okay
oblique trellis
For just starting out these aren't terrible. They definitely need more stats, hraes especially like you noted, but they aren't as bad as they could be.
vivid scarab
i have another siege defense built
i built it a while ago
i think i could make a better vigor if swapped my shuns runes around
its geld shun cich
should i just drop that defense to rune up the other one better
my cichlid isnt skilled up anyways
and its using my decent runes
i had zero clue what this defense does ngl
i just followed what my guildies told me to do
outer prawn
yea don't use unskilled on siege defense prob
the best play for siege defense is to run your strongest possible runes
oblique trellis
Work on one defense at a time.
outer prawn
yeah that too
oblique trellis
That's fine. You can remove it if you want.
But don't try to build multiple defenses at once. Build one defense and work on it until you're happy.
Then you can think about the next one.
vivid scarab
okay
outer prawn
I made this like a few months ago
Turn order Clara>Vigor>Hraes(obviously)
It's 239 tick because I wanted to focus a lot more on tankiness at the time since I wasn't comfortable with my strength on 286 tick
This defense wins about like 50% of the time in g1
vivid scarab
ah u built ur vigor tankier
outer prawn
yea definitely
outer prawn
don't use this vigor
Scarlet once told me that the only way for siege defenses to win is for u to basically land a defense break and violent proc like 3 times in a row
vivid scarab
my team is very closely tied now btw
outer prawn
what are ur speeds?
vivid scarab
clara 292 vigor 291 hraes 291
outer prawn
that's really good lol u basically can't be cut
vivid scarab
ill post runes wait
outer prawn
this defense will be really really difficult to beat for a lot of people I imagine
outer prawn
hm I don't think so
I imagine this defense will be really really difficult for anyone to beat
vivid scarab
@oblique trellis any thoughts?
outer prawn
my defense has a 50% wr in g1 siege and your defense just straight up has more stats
u can probably gatekeep a lot of people because u only need 1 defense to hold an entire tower
vivid scarab
my defense has a 50% wr in g1 siege and your defense just straight up has more s...
bro is op
btw what artis do i get for hraes
outer prawn
good question
he benefits from a lot of stuff
I think first attack crit damage is great because he only hits one time
atk/def up effect would probably be a good line too I imagine as he does have attack buff
vivid scarab
okay got it
oblique trellis
Vigor and hraes need more skillups.
You can use devils for Vigor if you have some.
vivid scarab
ispent them all yesterday on vigor p sure
oblique trellis
The accuracy on Vigor is pretty high. You can lower than in favor of more HP, DEF, or CR
Probably DEF though.
If you're going for anti-bruiser (last I remember that's what you had said you wanted to build) try testing a bruiser comp into this and see how it does.
Then adjust from there.
vivid scarab
okay
vivid scarab
The accuracy on Vigor is pretty high. You can lower than in favor of more HP, DE...
i just checked through my runes
if i were to go less acc
i would probably lose a lot more stats
oblique trellis
i would probably lose a lot more stats
That's fine. You do what you can. It just means you're using less efficient runes and can look for some better ones later.
vivid scarab
ill be on the lookout then
vivid scarab
ok i tried bruisering my own team
i was attacking it with tractor triana hraes
idk how real that is
but i hit my defense around like 4 times or so
and won each time
i think this is just due to the fact that my team just doesnt do enough first turn
outer prawn
do you mean you won on defense or your offense tractor triana hraes won?
I imagine that tractor +2 wind is probably strong
against this type of defense that only has one defense break and a wind branding
sweet stratus
i missed this thread
sorry
what're we doing
oh so for starters if you're trying to beat bruiser you probably are going to want destroy on hraesvelg
hraesvelg is a very stat hungry monster
i always find it weird when people only post runes and not artis
artis are super important, they make or break defense a good amount of the time
vivid scarab
do you mean you won on defense or your offense tractor triana hraes won?
my offense won
vivid scarab
i always find it weird when people only post runes and not artis
ah sorry i should probably send those too
ill do it when i get home
ty for telling me
vivid scarab
oh so for starters if you're trying to beat bruiser you probably are going to wa...
i went will because its my best offset
i can see destroy being a lot better
i just lack destroy runes
sweet stratus
Try farming better runes