my help thread

[hard cipher]

you arent crafting specific main stats

or slots

[north karma]

and sets?

[hard cipher]

does choose sets cost extra now?

[north karma]

yes

oho wait

[north karma]

yes it does

it didn't before?

so most efficient is just choose no specifics?

also no specific set?

[hard cipher]

it costs no extra to craft specific set high runes

[north karma]

oh but I meant the other one

craft legend rune

for high rune u have to choose specific set but I know what to craft there

but for legend rune

[hard cipher]

still doesnt cost any extra to choose the set

[north karma]

click sset not selected

left top

[hard cipher]

oh indeed it does

[north karma]

soo what is the optimal choice?

[hard cipher]

what do u typically craft for green/red/purple symbols?

[north karma]

greeh swift

violent for red

purple I haven't relay had many

[hard cipher]

now remember what ?runechoice says

[north karma]

?runechooice

?runechoice

[summer spade]

No matter where you are in the game, choose Violent anytime you get to pick the set for a rune event reward. Anytime you get to pick an artifact, pick Attack type.

[north karma]

I see so the 6x cost for choosing violent is worth it?

is it also worth farming dragon if I need moroe violent sets?

[hard cipher]

but u arnt finished with #guides , so dbah isnt a farming option

[north karma]

btw for ancient runes I assume lumel right?

[north karma]

but I am done with step 2 I thought

[hard cipher]

u just runed yr sr5 team yesterday

...

[north karma]

ye but all the other teams are also runed

pcah/dbah

are working

[hard cipher]

just because they are runed, doesnt mean yr done

[north karma]

but what is the answer to this one

[hard cipher]

you shouldnt be coming here asking for toah help if you were done with #guides

[north karma]

also is this correct?

[hard cipher]

will get back to you

[north karma]

but I just finished toah 100

[hard cipher]

yes ancient runes = lumel

toah can be a day 3 finish...

[north karma]

so I don't farm violent for now?

[hard cipher]

no

[north karma]

but so many units want violent fran etc

[north karma]

I have 1 last question all the places where riley is being usedd can I just use fran instead? so for example in monster sub I see him being used in recent runs can I copy it and replcae riley with fran?

[hard cipher]

well since riley shouldnt have runes or be built, yes

[hard cipher]

this is exactly why ?runechoice is a thing

[north karma]

I realy have riley not built

I can make screenshot

[north karma]

do u know if I have a team which is suitable for arena offense.

[hard cipher]

none till your done with #guides

[north karma]

but what do u consider done

[hard cipher]

the fact yr having problems with toa stages

you just built yr sr5 team yesterday

[hard cipher]

after deliberation, not worth the x6 cost

[north karma]

do u know what the best skin is to get, also how can I see which skin improves animation time.

[hard cipher]

they are all cosmetic

no reason to treat them otherwise

[north karma]

I thought some improve animation time

[somber trout]

It will not improve yours until you have sub 20 second dungeon clear times.

[north karma]

so save the skin currency gfor now"

[somber trout]

You can make decisions on your own, you know. You don't need approval from anyone to make decisions.

Stop asking meaningless questions like "should i save skin currency for now". Just decide and move on with your life.

[north karma]

got it, I will dedciddde to save since I will need it for sub 20 second dungeon team and buying the skin now might be dumb as the meta changes.

and atm I don't have sub 20 second team, so by the time I do I will ask what the team is and whose skin to buy

[north karma]

there is only prediction for EU SIEGE but didh e made one for worlds too?

@hallow saffron I think u forgot 2 matches to predict.

oh wait mb havoc loses so the other party wins u meant that I think.

[hallow saffron]

you have to click on a picture to view the full pic

[north karma]

ahh my bad, that makes alot of sense.

are there also predictions coming for worlds?

[hallow saffron]

probably not, it can go either way

while these early siege rounds are very predictable if you play siege at high level

[north karma]

I assume worlds is not? also the siege rooundd 2/3/4/5 will there be another post?

[hallow saffron]

2/3 yea, but 4/5 can go either way

[north karma]

I see u also play league of legends, can u compare worldsd of league preddiction same as SW?

[hallow saffron]

nah I play league casually, am not knowledgeable on the esport teams

[north karma]

I see, but the worlds preiction of SW are hardD?

[hallow saffron]

I can't confidently predict it at least

[north karma]

I know but it's better then randomly predict right?

like I have totally no clue whoo is gonna win, so following someone else prediction who have somewhat knowleddge is probaly better.

I feel like the post is gonna help tho.

[north karma]

Hello, dooes anyoone know how rta rating works. when I win I get +15 when I lose it depends, but on what does it depend?

[hallow saffron]

on your points, the enemy's points, some internal stuff

beating higher players gives more and if you lose to them you lose less, that's about it

[north karma]

Is there a guide how to beat every dimension hole level 5 for the statue?

still need ruins of silent death castle of forgotten heroes and sanctuary of dreaming fairies

[fervent salmon]

#update-theorycrafting threads

[delicate dove]

u can crystal revive to clear khalderun/sacreon, if u think u r close enough

others should be doable

[north karma]

right is fine right?

nvm add dmg proprional to hp is ba

[north karma]

do I craft gem or grinds? also what aboutlegend gem/ or legend grind and 1 last question ancient gem or ancient rune?

[queen rune]

Craft what you need

Lots of players don’t like farming rift beasts and rather farm r5, so you can craft gems with claws you get from r5 and more or less skip rifts

If you have ancient runes from a dungeon you don’t farm that you need to gem/grind, can craft for those. Otherwise more rune crafts = more pulls on the magic rune slot machine

[north karma]

is that because gems are diverted over multiple ones?

[queen rune]

Few reasons. Slower to farm, most rifts only drop gems for like 1 good set compared to a bunch of bad sets, and in general you need more grinds than you do gems

[wanton grail]

hey just asking what this runes are since i messed up runes in beginners guide but already cleared gbah with a 50% chance winrate

runes for Vero, 2akro etc

[wintry trout]

Make your own thread and we'll be happy to help

[wanton grail]

ok ill be making

[hard cipher]

u were told #1049393485372993567 and ?justdoit2

[north karma]

I need help what to gem

[queen rune]

?whattogem

[summer spade]

There's never just a single correct way to gem a rune. Don't gem anything until you're ready to use the rune. If you need help deciding what to gem, figure out who the rune is going on first.

[north karma]

for the event what gem grinds should I roll for?

[fervent salmon]

?runechoice

[summer spade]

No matter where you are in the game, choose Violent anytime you get to pick the set for a rune event reward. Anytime you get to pick an artifact, pick Attack type.

[fervent salmon]

also applies to gems/grinds

[north karma]

legend only?

[queen rune]

Focus on your runes first

See how much time and how many points you have left for gems and grinds once the runes are done. Then you can decide how picky you can afford to be with them

[north karma]

do u know how to make an speed sr5 team?

[raven schooner]

?sr5goes up to like 45 seconds if you rune it right

clear #guides first before worrying about anything faster

[north karma]

how

[north karma]

what team

and I saw people getting to 30 seconds

[raven schooner]

getting better runes

[raven schooner]

.... ?sr5

[north karma]

but ?sr5 gives like alot of optiosn what ur tema is gonna be I meant like which units did he choose also do u need to tune it?

[raven schooner]

?sr5

[summer spade]

Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

• First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: ⁠#1166120830921621504 message

• If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

[raven schooner]

any of these options I assume will get you to 45 seconds

I guess twins are ideal if you have them

but stop worrying about the speed of this team so much

and worry more about being able to actually build it

[north karma]

water twins?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

ye I do have them

[raven schooner]

where are you in #guides

[north karma]

step 3

[raven schooner]

so pvp?

[north karma]

y

[north karma]

so I need to work on ao and ad right?

[raven schooner]

well you do what you want

I recommend putting focus in siege and arena yes

[north karma]

can u herlp me

[raven schooner]

....

#1048719420870107227

[north karma]

I will read it in a sec, can I ask 1 more question

does the free trial of ascension happen 1 weekend per reset?

or multiple weekends?

[raven schooner]

I dont know

[north karma]

but like usually

it seems like every reset it happens atleast once

[raven schooner]

I dont pay attention to it but yes at least once

[north karma]

1 more question in the guide it says don't invest in ad untill guardian

[raven schooner]

dont invest specifically in ad and its not really 'until guardian'

[north karma]

but someone else said to invest in giselle for ad, did he meant when I hit guardian then start using giselle?

[raven schooner]

you build teams for siege, and use those monsters in your ad

its just perfectly possible to hit punisher ranks without a proper ad so theres no need to invest in it

[north karma]

so fat lushen is my first goal?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

also where can I find the skins which reduces animation

[raven schooner]

reddit most likely

or ask in #general-sw

[north karma]

do I got an world arena special league team btw?

[raven schooner]

?rtahelp

[summer spade]

RTA is a complex and constantly changing game. It's not possible or even helpful to learn it by just reading a guide or having someone tell you what units to use.

To get started, watch some videos on YouTube, check out some streams on Twitch, and bookmark these 2 websites: https://m.swranking.com and https://swarena.gg. These websites contain databases of RTA monsters and show you what are the most meta picks and counters right now.

Next and most importantly, just rune up 7-10 monsters and just hit play. Don't stress about having everything perfectly built or synergized at first, as you'll likely want to change everything as soon as you play a few real matches. Focus on slowly improving, one step at a time.

Once you have an idea of what's going on, feel free to start a post in the #1047269577614164098 to ask specific questions. Tell us what monsters you normally pick and exactly what you lose to. Share screenshots of drafts and ask how you could have drafted differently. If you want recommendations on which new monsters to invest in, show us your current team/box. Just make sure everything is as specific as possible with real examples.

TL;DR - do some work and research yourself first. We can't help if you just say "build my team for me and teach me RTA, thanks bye"

[raven schooner]

?rtabeginner

[summer spade]

1. There is no 'best team' in RTA. It's a relatively complicated gamemode where you pick based on the opponent's picks to try to counter them, usually by using the current meta units. This is not something you learn in a day, it takes a lot of RTA matches to get familiar with what works. Posting your box and asking what you should use is not a very useful question as it takes trial and effort to find what works for your account.

2. It's recommended to check what the meta units are (https://swarena.gg/), and to check other people play rta to see if you can replicate any playstyle. To see others play, you can ask friends, see what streamers use, or simply use the ingame replay tool. In the replay tool, you can sort by specific units to look for. The one video we do recommend watching is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2G7niC97s but please note only this specific video and not any other videos from this channel is recommended.

3. Once you try a bunch of stuff and find some playstyle and core of units that you are comfortable with, you can ask better questions in #1047269577614164098 like asking which runes/artifacts are recommended for a unit, or you can show a draft you lost so others can give their opinion.

4. Also remember that RTA is tough endgame content, if you aren't somewhat well farmed in all areas like runes, artifacts, grinds/gems, or are missing key units, it might be too early to focus on RTA. You can still play it to get rewards, but it's not necessary to take a lot of time to optimize your RTA builds yet.

[raven schooner]

this is for you

[north karma]

so it's not even optimal to make 1 offense team?

[raven schooner]

at your stage you will likely lose every single game and not enjoy it one bit

better to just auto normal rta for the rewards

[north karma]

but I need atleast an auto normal rta team right?

[raven schooner]

just use whatever, if you want to try something check the rta section in #1048719420870107227

for basic cleavev

[north karma]

do I even got basic cleave unitS?

[raven schooner]

check the guide...

[north karma]

does nayone know if the ancient trans scroll or 3 legend scroll or 3 devilmon is more important to buy?

[queen rune]

3 legend scroll is lowest priority

devils are good

if you are missing key units ancient trans gives you a chance at pulling one of them

should be farming enough to buy both the devils and the ancient scroll

[north karma]

gotcha that will be my prio

[north karma]

do I gem the cdmg or att?

[queen rune]

answer is always the same

?whattogem

[summer spade]

There's never just a single correct way to gem a rune. Don't gem anything until you're ready to use the rune. If you need help deciding what to gem, figure out who the rune is going on first.

[north karma]

do u know what kind of will rune subs is wanted?

[raven schooner]

will is very diverse

theres not really an answer to this

[north karma]

how about despair

[raven schooner]

these are not great questions, have you read #1278187593594572841

[north karma]

I know units like neph can use despair. so supports stats like hp% def% speed acc/res

but how about dps units

is this usable?

[raven schooner]

despair isnt only used on support monsters

id say this rune is usable yes

[north karma]

so u look for combiantioons like either support or dps or tank right?

[raven schooner]

you look for a good harmony of stats yes

[north karma]

and the 3 harmony that exist are the ones I mentioned right?

[raven schooner]

you just said, support stats like hp/def/spd/acc/res

[north karma]

also tank stats and dps stats

oh wait there is also bruiser

[raven schooner]

yes this rune would be good on a despair bruiser in a leo team

[north karma]

is this piece usable

it looks like bruiser stats

[raven schooner]

yes this is usable if you dont have better/similar

read #1048719420870107227 , this will help you understand more what runes are useful for what

[north karma]

this one is purple grind only right?

btw it's either crit or flat hp to gem right?

[raven schooner]

yes one of those 2 once you know who it goes on

wouldnt say 'purple grind only' if you are using a rune and you have legend grinds, use them

[north karma]

these are my legend grinds

[north karma]

is there one which is general better

I think hp% for crit or attk% for flat hp

[raven schooner]

?whattogem

[summer spade]

There's never just a single correct way to gem a rune. Don't gem anything until you're ready to use the rune. If you need help deciding what to gem, figure out who the rune is going on first.

[raven schooner]

...again

[north karma]

but these are the only choices I think?

[raven schooner]

yeah you are hoarding for no reason

[north karma]

right

[north karma]

so use?

[raven schooner]

doesnt matter what the 'options are' the options only come when you know what it goes on

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

any of these are usable?

[raven schooner]

check if you have any better (doesnt matter what set) and compare

you shouldnt have to ask about every rune

[north karma]

hello is there an guide for speed sr5 team?

[raven schooner]

not in this server

?sr5can go plenty fast already

35 seconds ish

[north karma]

wait what team is being used

and are we talking average

?sr5

[summer spade]

Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

• First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: ⁠#1166120830921621504 message

• If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

[raven schooner]

with good runes yes

[north karma]

which 5 units

[raven schooner]

whatever you have

[north karma]

also what is the reason there is speed gbah dbah etc but no speed sr5 actually?

are they more important

[north karma]

all of the combination of 5 units can reach the 35 sec?

[raven schooner]

because ?sr5 is more than fast enough

advice for you is not to worry about it

if your sr5 team is working, more than good enough

if you really want to build a speed sr5 team, theres teams on youtube

[north karma]

but speed sr5 team like those on yotuube I assume those require crazy runes which u want to save for pvp right?

[raven schooner]

I have one of those spd teams runed up and it uses laughable runes

but its not worth the effort for you

focus on more important things

[north karma]

laughable runes means like good laugable or

do I understand it wrng

[raven schooner]

bad

[north karma]

wait it uses bad runes + realy fast?

why is that not recommended?

[raven schooner]

its not worth the effort

when you can just use the ?sr5 team you already have

[north karma]

but u just say there is like no downside on making the team, low runes requirements speed team.

what is the disadvantage?

[raven schooner]

.

this is my advice

dont overthink it

[north karma]

alr, but can u atleast recommend a team which is like quite fast?

and can i also know which video speed team u copied

[raven schooner]

I wont because I dont think its optimal for you to build atm

can just google some spd teams

if you have your mind set to it

[north karma]

but I don't know which one u use.

[raven schooner]

mine uses some nat5s

premium options

[north karma]

which video ?

[raven schooner]

I dont remember.

like I said, I dont recommend you build it

[north karma]

which one do u recommend to build, and can I know why u builded it

[north karma]

but what I do

[raven schooner]

nothing.

focus on #1048719420870107227 or #guides wherever you are at

[north karma]

how about speed gbah and dbah teams are these recommended?

[raven schooner]

.

imo theyre not worth investing time/recourses in if you dont know why you would need it

[north karma]

for the free energy event

[raven schooner]

now thats a good answer

if you want to try it, give it a go

commands are ?teshgbah/?kylegbah

and ?kyledbah

dont be surprised if your rune quality is too bad for it tho

[north karma]

like how many months of rune quality are we talking about

[raven schooner]

cant tell, if you try building the team and cant make it work, its not enough

if it works, its enough

[north karma]

but thjere is no hidden sr5 command?

[raven schooner]

no

?sr5or go to yt

[north karma]

what u think of this one?

he says 23 sec

[north karma]

I can't copy urs?

[raven schooner]

this remains my advice

[north karma]

I ffinished all the pve part just started pvp part

but I do have like quite some time farmed runes

[raven schooner]

my advice wont change

if you absolutely want to build a faster team, build whatever you can find on yt

but I cant help you with that

[north karma]

but my current team is taking too long

[raven schooner]

.

if you want to improve it, my advice would be to just improve the runes on the team

[north karma]

I amn using this with bvrandia in the open spot

is tihis realy my best choice to do?

[raven schooner]

no youre not

[north karma]

this is an older picture he is maxed now

[north karma]

but u realy don't think I should copy ur team?

[raven schooner]

im not gonna keep repeating myself

you know what I said

and if you dont, scroll up

[north karma]

u said I don't build it. so I just have to improve this team runes and keep it like that?

[raven schooner]

thats what I said yes

[north karma]

also is it not worth to build a faster rift team for the rift energy event?

[north karma]

can I ask 1 more question which are the best 2 cleansers and 3 DD u can choose from this picture?

by best I meant the fastest

[hard cipher]

how about actually reading the info in ?sr5

with it, u can speed up yr sr5 team

[north karma]

can I ask 1 more question if I make kyledbah, can I use the same kyle for gbah. the posts give differente speed requirements so I assume u can not u need a different kyle?

[hard cipher]

then u didnt actually read the command

[north karma]

we talkinga bout this command right

[hard cipher]

?kyledbah

[summer spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378618513306157056/1325650288056471616/image.png?ex=677f328a&is=677de10a&hm=3dfc8594263662f43ae0440f6232155f171aa741101dd4fdf14fa950e564a408&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=883&height=662

[hard cipher]

plz stop with teh adhd brain

[north karma]

ye u see one is +61 speed and the other is +62

[hard cipher]

focus on 1 thing

[north karma]

sorry

[hard cipher]

there will be no other comments on this thread, till you tell me the difference

[north karma]

the difference is kylegbah needs +62 speed and the kyledbah needs +61 speed

so basically 2 different builds

so I was wondering if the same kyle which +61 speed can be used for the other content aswell

[hard cipher]

wrong

[north karma]

in one build he is the leader the other not?

[hard cipher]

and...

[north karma]

can u give me a hint

I've read the posts 2 time alr

[hard cipher]

no

"you've finished pve" this is something you should know

[north karma]

in kyledbah kyle is a dmg dealer

in kylegbah he is not?

[north karma]

then there is no difference?

except the 1 speed

well the 1 speed is actually game changing, as it mess the turn order

[hard cipher]

again i refer u back the the original question

[north karma]

I try to find the difference the only difference in build of kyle is the 1 speed I can't find anything else

are u saying there is more difference between teh builds?

[north karma]

also do u save 10 year anceint trans scroll or use it

[summer spade]

aceatall

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
there will be no other comments on this thread, till you tell me the difference

Req. by aceatall. Quote from · Jan 13, 2025, 3:44 PM

[north karma]

but I have gone through every single possibility of difference. can u give me a small hint

I have read the commands 10x by now

[hard cipher]

but you havent

[north karma]

ye in dragon team verde is the leader

but that has nothing to do with kyle build right

[hard cipher]

....

[summer spade]

aceatall

[Message Link](#1049393485372993567 message) to #1049393485372993567

• How to Calculate Total HP/DEF/ATT and Combat Speed

(base x [ 1 + summoner skill + leader skill+ team set] + runes) x (1 + buff) = total

• Base:
• Monsters base stats
• **Summoner and Leader Skills and Team sets: **
• Turn percent into a decimal
• Team sets include: Enhance/Fight/Deter
• Buff: ATT 50%/DEF 70%/SPD 30% buffs
• Turn percent into a decimal
• Dont worry about this unless Speed tuning with spd buff or another special case
• Total SPD: Combat Speed (cmb spd)

Req. by aceatall. Quote from · Mar 11, 2024, 7:00 PM

[north karma]

but wait the speed in blue is the speed u have to get from gear right?

[hard cipher]

[north karma]

so it says for kyle gbah 179 cmb speed (+62)
and the other is 206(+61)

so the difference must lie in the speed here

[hard cipher]

.

[north karma]

oh the difference is made by the leader buff of verde

28% speed

[north karma]

right

[hard cipher]

so the answer to this is

[north karma]

u can use the same kyle?

[hard cipher]

[north karma]

but still 1 build uses +61 speed and the other +62 right?

[hard cipher]

now answer this, does +61 give you enough spd to get to the 179 spd tick for this team?

[north karma]

these questions keep getting more complex

well it says +62

so I assume u need +62?

[hard cipher]

good, because ....

[north karma]

otherwise u go to 178 spd?

[hard cipher]

which is NOT at the 179 spd tick

?ticks

[north karma]

so I need +62 kyle? but

[summer spade]

Speed - Ticks to reach 100% ATB

Combat speed 477 = 3 Ticks
Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks
Combat speed 286 = 5 Ticks
Combat speed 239 = 6 Ticks
Combat speed 205 = 7 Ticks
Combat speed 179 = 8 Ticks

[north karma]

if this one gets +62

kyle moves before tali unless I move tali faster

oh

whait ican move tali faster

right

[hard cipher]

ohhhhhh

[north karma]

so I can use the same kyle then/

[hard cipher]

🎉

[north karma]

that was eas

can I ask 1 more question

[hard cipher]

at long as he's ....

[north karma]

well u just need to speed tune everything correctly

and u are fine right

if u go for kyle +62 this team needs talia with a little higher then 206 cmb speed

[hard cipher]

as long as he gets to 179 in giants, and 206 tick in dragons w/ verde lead, then yes, same kyle

[north karma]

do u know this too

[hard cipher]

never a reason to save scrolls outside of ms for 10 +1 events

[north karma]

is it smart to buy blessings for it?

[hard cipher]

why would it make any difference

[north karma]

well with blessing u can choose

[hard cipher]

so

no different than summoing a nat 5 with any other scroll

[north karma]

I will just use it then

[hard cipher]

to which, see ?ancientcrystals

[north karma]

I only have 1 more question

?ancientcrystals

[summer spade]

What to buy with your ancient crystals:
Will start by saying a lot of this is dependent on a lot of factors and changes often. Some of these factors including but are not limited to: how progressed, how many ancient crystals one has, and how much one spends on the game
If you have a question on if you should buy something or not can create a thread in #1047269577614164098

• Premium Runes:

• These are going to be Vio slot 2 SPD, slot 4 HP%/CD and slot 6 HP% Runes with acceptable innate (prefix)

• Substats do not matter as these runes are more than likely key reappraisal (reapp) targets

• To see what are acceptable innates (prefix) see the ?reapp command

• Save enough to buy 2 or more of these runes (200 ancient crystals)

• Other things that could be bought:

• Desirable runes may include: Vio slot 4 or 6 HP% with no innate and matching subs and slot 2/4/6 with innate and matching stats on a needed sets

• Reappraisal Stones/Devilmon: Limted to 30 reapps and 3 devilmon per month

• Legend Grind/Gems: Vio SPD/HP%/DEF% Gems and Vio/Swift SPD Grinds, or another set a late game players may need

• Not going to be buying these unless you specifically know what your searching for or need

• LD Scrolls: unless a whale or have high nat 5 income, these wont be bought ever

• Whale: Those that spend quite a bit of money on the game

• Blessing: horrible value and should NEVER be bought

• There are multiple balance patches a year and just because a monster is good/bad now doesnt mean that will be the case later on

[north karma]

so blessing should never be bought

Reappraisal Stones/Devilmon: Limted to 30 reapps and 3 devilmon per month

so should these be bought or nah?

it isn't saying

[hard cipher]

Other things that could be bought:

[north karma]

ooh

[north karma]

also when does it reset the rune choosing in ancient crystal

once a week>?

[hard cipher]

yes at the start of mondays

[north karma]

so he is saying only slot 2 speed slot 4hp% cd pr slot 6 hp% all on violent set only right?\

[north karma]

I still don't know this one

[hard cipher]

yes

[hard cipher]

bad question

[north karma]

when speedtuning kyledbah and kylegbah. do u have to have EXACT same speed or can it be a little different

?kylegbah

[summer spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378618513306157056/1325651793232920586/image.png?ex=677f33f0&is=677de270&hm=d356b1d01d9bcaf619293ca72364d6b1791207f165ea9c6f9033c3c341a8b717&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=541&height=437

[north karma]

for example if I have prilea on 300 speed he still moves first is that acceptable? I think 300 would be too much and he might get 2 turns. I assume some difference isn't a big problem say for example prilea on 250 speed should be fine right? but as long as it is not too much?

another question can luna be used too?

and 1 last question how do I get fight runes when it's not recommended to farm spiritual realm?

[hard cipher]

• they have to be tuned (move in the correct turn order)
• they have to be in their respectful speed tick bracket

?ticks

[summer spade]

Speed - Ticks to reach 100% ATB

Combat speed 477 = 3 Ticks
Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks
Combat speed 286 = 5 Ticks
Combat speed 239 = 6 Ticks
Combat speed 205 = 7 Ticks
Combat speed 179 = 8 Ticks

Ticks are calculated in a different way for R5 and RTA.

[north karma]

Also how do i know the buid of the 5 units

Its not in the picture

[hard cipher]

very simple

dmg

[north karma]

All 5?

[hard cipher]

kona just resurges

so fight runes

prilea fight runes, and maybe dmg

[north karma]

And this

[north karma]

So kyle julie whomie dmg

[hard cipher]

fight runes dont have to be good, just so that she's spd tuned

[north karma]

And what set does these 3 need

No violent right

[hard cipher]

correct

[north karma]

?kyledbah

[summer spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378618513306157056/1325650288056471616/image.png?ex=677f328a&is=677de10a&hm=3dfc8594263662f43ae0440f6232155f171aa741101dd4fdf14fa950e564a408&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=883&height=662

[north karma]

How i know build of these units

Except loren on fight which is written

But the other 4 builds are not written

[hard cipher]

think

[north karma]

I would say all dmg

Well water twin and verde is dmg i would say

[hard cipher]

there u go

[north karma]

But kyle too?

[hard cipher]

why not kyle too

[north karma]

But how van i know these things without it being written

Do i have to ask build for every unit?

[hard cipher]

because your at the stage

of the game

where u should be able to

see and team and

think

hmmm this should be dmg

or this should be a supportish type build

[north karma]

How

[hard cipher]

wtf do u mean how

[north karma]

Like these units are obvious water twin is just pure dmg

But say

I got an arena team recommended

These units are not so common

How i know the build

[hard cipher]

the entirity of step 2 of #guides

[north karma]

But i finished that

I mean how i know build of a unit i havent familiariazed with

[hard cipher]

u asked how you should know

that was the answer

[north karma]

But thats only build of pve units

[hard cipher]

it doesnt take rocket science to figure out how to build a pve monster for a spd team

[north karma]

Also for sr5 units in the screenshot the builds of the units are not written how can i know the build?

?sr5

[summer spade]

Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

• First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: ⁠#1166120830921621504 message

• If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

[north karma]

For example how can i know build of colleen

[hard cipher]

this serious

[north karma]

Is it a bad question?

[north karma]

Oh

I went straight to the picture

But say a team is mentioned and the build of the team is nowhere to be found do I hsve to ask it here?

[hard cipher]

deductive reasoning

[somber trout]

Can you give an example? If that happens it means there's a gap in the guides that needs to be addressed.

[hard cipher]

he's talking about the ?kyle teams

[north karma]

Well water twin and verde were written in the guide beofre so its obvious they follow the same build path but its the first time i see kyle prilea julie so thats why i asked about the build so i feel like i asked a not bad question right

[queen rune]

if you are trying to build speed teams, you are far enough into the game where you should be able to do a little bit of thinking

a good place to start is reading skills for each mon and considering what role it plays in the team

another thing to consider is turn order - this is never an accident and should give you a hint as to how the different mons fit together in the team

that being said, if you don't have sr5 built yet you shouldnt be worrying about speed teams

[north karma]

no I do have onje built it's only kinda slow

[north karma]

also the use of fight runes on the kyle teams, is mostly for the set right? ofcourse u need s ome requirements on the stats but u don't need insane fihgt runes

[raven schooner]

as long as its the right tick/acc on none damage dealers other stats dont matter

if you wanna put a damage dealer on fight runes it takes a good fight set

but for stuff like prilea/loren

it doesnt matter

[north karma]

wait that is not needed right?

[north karma]

so basically just get the required speed and acc, but does loren and prilea need extra dmg/hp?

[raven schooner]

ive never used the team, but im assuming you dont let anything take a turn, so no hp is needed

dmg is cool if you can manage it but it barely has any effect

not enough for you to go farm srbah for fight runes

[queen rune]

Any damage on prilea or Loren is just bonus. Get the right speed and acc and you’re good. The real damage comes from giving your DDs strong runes and artifacts

Whomie doesn’t need all that much in terms of rune quality for the kylegbah team, so you can try to get him on fight sets too if you have a few dd fight runes lying around. Julie and Kyle need real runes

[north karma]

but since when is fight rune so important, I thought violent will and swift where like the top 3. it's the first time I have heard fight runes being used so much

u sure it's not worth farming spiritual realms?

even not for a little bit/

[raven schooner]

a lot of speed teams have 'dead' units with no purpose other than land debuffs and be fast enough, you can add extra utility to them by adding fight sets, that way they boost the rest of your team

however these runes dont need any stats at all and are not great outside of spd teams (I run a fight set here and there on ao or snipe comps in siege)

you should probably have enough fight runes already to build speed teams by just random runes (runecrafting/random event runes/world boss... etc)

[north karma]

so it's mostly purely for the set bonus, the stats are mostly extra as long as u get the required stats.

[raven schooner]

if you dont, can just run a single x30 in srbah and you should be fine

[raven schooner]

yep

[north karma]

are the other runes of srbah bad?

[raven schooner]

the set bonus applies to the other (harder to rune) monsters on your teams

[raven schooner]

yes

theres some use for seal runes but not at all for you

[queen rune]

I farm srbah for fight whenever there’s a rune fix event so I don’t waste any energy on the rest of the shit sets. The rest of the time I forget that dungeon even exists

[north karma]

I have another question about ?kyledbah and ?kylegbah

so loren and prilea and kona need fight sets, but the only required stats are correct speed tuning + 65% acc on loren and 30% acc on prilea. can't I just do slot 6 acc main and rest go full speed subs. like I am confused what other stats I am needed

there is nothing being asked about hp/def/res/att/crit/cdmg

[hard cipher]

prilea 34% acc, and there is no other stats needed

[candid drift]

Seal is generally better than fight

It's a good set

Both are good though

For early game player you should def do it with fight

[north karma]

Where do u use seal never seen it being ised

[north karma]

But there must be some hp% def% nedded? They are 1 ahot otherwize

[hard cipher]

nope

[raven schooner]

some pvp cases

[north karma]

So where does all the extra stats go atkk?

[hard cipher]

no where and everywhere

[north karma]

Seal was to disable violent etc right

[hard cipher]

liike i said before, they dont need good fight runes

[raven schooner]

disable all rune effects (despair/nemesis/violent, etc.)

[north karma]

Ye but like having some extra atk wont help the run anything at all?

[raven schooner]

it doesnt disable ‘stat sets’ tho (like swift etc)

[hard cipher]

lets not confuse this

its just that simple

[north karma]

But even if u got the choice to give extra stats sicne there is like lots of room for more stats

Whwre do i put the stats

Take loren as rxample

[hard cipher]

it doesnt matter

dont confuse it

[north karma]

After the speed and 65% acc

Do i just ignore getting the right stats after that?

[raven schooner]

none of the stats after the requirements have a noticeable effect on the run

straight up ignore eveything else yes

[north karma]

I see so u said noticable so there is an effect?

[hard cipher]

...

[north karma]

Just not significant?

So it must mean it can speed the run up by a bit?

[hard cipher]

dont concern yrself with anything besides the spd tuning, if they need acc and fight sets

[north karma]

But what stat is he talking about which do have an effect?

[hard cipher]

..................

[north karma]

I feel like its even possible to do this with purple maybe even blur runes

Isnt that a bit bad

[hard cipher]

i feel is possible that yr overthinking

something

that doesnt need to be overthought

[north karma]

But to get the required stat is like way too easy

[raven schooner]

some things are easy

[north karma]

Slot 6 acc main slot 2 speed all the other just geg speed sub

[hard cipher]

checklist goes as follows:

• spd tuned
• acc needed?
• fight sets

thats it

[north karma]

This is even possible wirh blue runes

[raven schooner]

correct

[north karma]

But did u follow this too?

[hard cipher]

simi, im out

[north karma]

Because at this point i dont need to swop it

[raven schooner]

were not making it ‘easier than it looks’ for you because we think u cant do the ‘harder’ version

its just that simple. for everyone

[north karma]

I guess i just get the stats and dont bother what extra stats i get then

[raven schooner]

the difficulty is in runing the other monsters. not prilea/kona/loren etc

[raven schooner]

yes

[candid drift]

Refer to the "early game player" message, dont overcomplicate it for yourself, that info was for sokker, not you

[north karma]

I have a question my kona is awakened what I do now

is it possible to unawaken him

or am I doomed now

[raven schooner]

make a new one

its only a 2* monster

[north karma]

is kyledbah or kylegbah harder to rune?

[raven schooner]

weird question. youre not gonna rune whatever is 'easier'

[north karma]

no I meant then I know which I rune first

since the one I rune first takes the better dmg runes

[raven schooner]

would just stick with gbah if I were you

[north karma]

also do I rune julie or kyle first?

[raven schooner]

they take different runes. both

[north karma]

huh, they are both dmg?

[north karma]

wait what are their builds its a bit confusing I thought it was just dmg and correct speed order

[raven schooner]

well yeah both need dmg and the right spd.
Julie has a clear 'exact amount of dmg' she needs to deal (-> enough to clear the crystals)
Kyle is just stacking as much dmg as you can

[north karma]

wait can't I overexceed the dmg for julie?

what if he deals more?

[raven schooner]

it doesnt mess it up or anything but its just a waste of 'better runes'

[north karma]

what set does julie usually get

swift blade?

or fatal blade?

[raven schooner]

whatever gives you the stats to clear the crystals

[north karma]

100 crit right

[raven schooner]

yes, you should know that by now

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Julie

#1 Swift

ATK%, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 16473
DEF: 771
ATK: 2623
SPD: 206
CR: 103%
CD: 177%
ACC: 5%
RES: 22%
E.HP: 63231
Effcy: 99.39%

#2 Blade,Swift

ATK%, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 15982
DEF: 784
ATK: 2579
SPD: 212
CR: 102%
CD: 179%
ACC: 13%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 62074
Effcy: 98.63%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

is this enough?

[raven schooner]

test it

it has to be able to kill the crystals in one skill

[north karma]

but I meant which build do u prefer

these are the dmg

I thoguht it would show up in teh command too

[raven schooner]

it does mention the dmg you need

[north karma]

but u said it is a waste

[raven schooner]

its very simple, does it clear the crystals?
yes? leave as is
no? improve

[north karma]

but the thing is thats why I want to know who is the hardest to rune, so I can rune him first otherwise julie get runes that is too good for him

[raven schooner]

dont overthink it

my question: does your julie clear the crystals?

[north karma]

well in theory it should right

it says it need 5450 dmg

[raven schooner]

is this number against 732 non def broken target?

[north karma]

how do I check

[raven schooner]

the easiest way: put your julie in giants and see if it clears it

[north karma]

but is julie the hardest to rune of this team? because I still ahve the rune the other 4

[raven schooner]

do you have prilea and kona ready? on fight sets?

[north karma]

well that should not be too hard to rune right?

[north karma]

wait my julie is lvl 17 is that a big difference?

[raven schooner]

thats a huge difference....

[north karma]

I am lvling him first

gimme asec

[raven schooner]

to check if you have enough dmg:

'damage options'

honestly just search up a guide on youtube on how to use swop

[north karma]

shouldn't I do cdmg insttead of hp%?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

let me check

[raven schooner]

all you need is dmg and spd on julie, so

[queen rune]

a huge part of julie damage is artis. do you have any? are you factoring them into damage calcs in swop?

[north karma]

and now?

[north karma]

I am not actually

[queen rune]

then this is pointless. you wont hit the damage number without arts

[raven schooner]

I dont use swop myself. im not the best person to explain it to you

would go to youtube

think seishizo has a decent guide on it

[queen rune]

i can help with the swop rn

[raven schooner]

ah thats great

[north karma]

realy

[queen rune]

on that screen

[north karma]

what I do

[queen rune]

select s3

[north karma]

thousand shot?

[queen rune]

click max skillups

yes

[north karma]

what is s3 called

ah okay

[queen rune]

where it says enter enemy defense, write 732

[north karma]

and then

and after?

[queen rune]

activate guild skills as well as the skills you alr clicked

enter leader skill (you use kyle here)

[north karma]

what was kyle buff again

[snow tendon]

Kyle (Water Poison Master)

Wikia

Base

HP: 9555 — DEF: 593
ATK: 747 — SPD: 101
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15

Info

Type: Attack
Stars: 5
Devils: 10
Farmable: No

Awaken

From: Poison Master

Lead

Increase the Attack Power of ally monsters in the Dungeons by 33%

provided by SWARFARM

[north karma]

is this correct

[queen rune]

did you click something on enter multipliers, or is that automatic?

[north karma]

automatic

i didn't clicked it

[north karma]

what I write?

[queen rune]

okay, those settings should be all set then

click apply

are you using fight sets?

[north karma]

ye fight sets haven't rune yet

but

I am

[north karma]

wtf I am not even close the 5450

[queen rune]

add them here. 6 sets (kona and prilea) or more if whomie or anyone else has any

[queen rune]

i told you

[north karma]

where?

[queen rune]

the more button at the top opens the extra menu i screen grabbed for you

click fight 6 times

[north karma]

oh

[north karma]

wait how big of a difference does artifacts make

like how many dmg

[summer spade]

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
a huge part of julie damage is artis. do you have any? are you factoring them into damage calcs in swop?

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

[queen rune]

you will see in a second

[north karma]

but are these runes so bad?

can I see ur julie stats

[queen rune]

no

focus on yours

did you add fight sets?

[north karma]

ye 2x time right?

[summer spade]

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
add them here. 6 sets (kona and prilea) or more if whomie or anyone else has any

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

[north karma]

oh

okay it starts getting closers

[queen rune]

i'm really trying here

[north karma]

and artifact?

[north karma]

mb if I am following bad

[queen rune]

uncheck 'disable artifacts optimization'

check 'use current artifacts only'

for filters, set the speed requirement (should be 189 assuming you did not select skills at the top)

please confirm you did not select 'display result values with summoner skills' at the top

it will double count skills in the damage calcs otherwise

also for filters, set 100 cr

[north karma]

wait speed should be 205 no?

?kylegbah

[summer spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378618513306157056/1325651793232920586/image.png?ex=677f33f0&is=677de270&hm=d356b1d01d9bcaf619293ca72364d6b1791207f165ea9c6f9033c3c341a8b717&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=541&height=437

[queen rune]

that's including speed skill

[north karma]

oh

[queen rune]

like i said, don't use the speed skill for these calcs or it will double count

[north karma]

ah okay wait speed 189

[queen rune]

yes. and cr 100

[north karma]

okay it's getting close

[queen rune]

now we do artis

take the top damage build, select it

click equip runes

now swop thinks that build is on your julie

go back to the build tab

click 'use equipped runes only and fill empty slots'

[north karma]

but I feel like if my artis

is a little better

it could work

[queen rune]

go to artis. make it look like this

[north karma]

why is artis doing like so much dmg

[queen rune]

have you read the artifact guide or beginner pvp?

multihitters get tons of value from additionals

its extra true damage on every hit

[snow tendon]

Julie (Water Pierret)

Wikia

3. Thousand Shots

Throws numerous cards to attack all enemies. The damage increases by 50% for each beneficial effect on the enemies. Attacks 6 times when this attack is used with full HP. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

1.2*{ATK} x6

Pos. Effects

Buff Bonus Damage (50%)

provided by SWARFARM

[queen rune]

6 times true damage makes a big difference

once you set your arti settings to the same as i showed, optimize again

damage should be higher

[north karma]

wait I only need 189 speed right?

[queen rune]

yes. with tower its 205

[north karma]

ye i got my tower maxed

[queen rune]

as long as you unchecked the 'use summoner skills' tab at the top

[north karma]

like fully maxed

ye its all uncheckled

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Julie

#1 Fatal,Blade

ATK%, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 16935
DEF: 679
ATK: 2882
SPD: 190
CR: 101%
CD: 177%
ACC: 24%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 59551
Effcy: 98.12%

#2 Swift

ATK%, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 15208
DEF: 771
ATK: 2623
SPD: 191
CR: 102%
CD: 191%
ACC: 10%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 58375
Effcy: 96.52%

#3 Blade,Swift

ATK%, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 14892
DEF: 850
ATK: 2721
SPD: 189
CR: 100%
CD: 180%
ACC: 15%
RES: 28%
E.HP: 61280
Effcy: 97.99%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

the fatal says to be highest dmg

do u think it is enough?

[queen rune]

is that with artis?

[north karma]

without

the optimization with artis

is weird

[queen rune]

take the highest damage one

[north karma]

ye the fatal is the highest dmg

it says

[queen rune]

do what i said to equip the runes

so you can optimize again for only artis

[north karma]

ye I know how that part works

[north karma]

ahh thjat is smart

never knew tthat was possible

[north karma]

I did the runes

how do i seperalty for artis only

how do I disable ruine optimization

[summer spade]

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 17, 2025, 7:37 PM

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
click 'use equipped runes only and fill empty slots'

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 17, 2025, 7:36 PM

[north karma]

but he takes rune into consideration tehn

but the amount of permutation goes crazy that way

is it not possible tto turn off rune optimziation

[queen rune]

click the tab for use equipped runes only

that turns off rune optimization

[north karma]

where is that?

btw how does he know that my enemy is watter type

[queen rune]

your enemy is not water type

crystals are type neutral

[north karma]

oh

[queen rune]

but in the damage options menu you can set enemy element

[north karma]

but where is this

[queen rune]

when you click that button, swop will not consider any new runes in the builds. only artis

[north karma]

but where is this button

[queen rune]

so now when you click optimize, it will try to get you the most damage possible considering only artis

at the top. i screen grabbed fro you

the middle menu box at the top. bottom of the box. right side. under totem

[north karma]

found it

[north karma]

so how it works?

[summer spade]

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
when you click that button, swop will not consider any new runes in the builds. only artis

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 17, 2025, 7:49 PM

[north karma]

is this correct?

[queen rune]

as long as those left two buttons i cant see are not checked, yes

[north karma]

gotcha

[north karma]

why does it give me these bad ones

[queen rune]

why are those bad?

[north karma]

hp main

[queen rune]

have you read the arti guide?

[north karma]

arti guide?

[summer spade]

jx9

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Artifact Main Stat considerations

How to value arti main stats is a good question. In general you should prioritize the arti substats over whatever the main stat is. For bruisers or other monsters that benefit from all 3 stats of Atk, Hp, Def, you can almost completely ignore them as all 3 will benefit the monster. For more specialized monsters like nukers or tanks, then sometimes you do have try to place a value on the main stat. +1500 HP on a Lushen doesn't do anything, and likewise +100 Atk on a Rina isn't doing much either. For a Lushen who has a base atk of 900, +100 Atk is approximately 11% Atk. And if you've at least somewhat balanced your Atk and CD on Lushen, 1% Atk is approximately equal to 1% CD. That means that compared to having HP or Def main, having the Atk main stat on Lushen is worth approximately 2 high rolls of a S3 CD arti, or 2 high rolls of an add dmg by atk arti substat. For your right side arti this is a considerable amount, so 99% of the time you can't really use HP or Def main stat right artis for your nukers.

The calculation for how much the flat stat is worth compared to +/- ele damage on left side artis is a bit tougher as it depends on many more factors. I don't have enough room to do the math here, but if you trust me then in most cases the correct main stat is worth approximately 2-3% +/- ele. This works for both +dmg dealt and -dmg taken. For example, if you have a Lushen for giants, then a left side arti with Atk main stat and +10% dmg to water is about the same as an arti with HP main stat and +12-13% dmg to water. If you have a Malite runed to tank a Tesa, then a left side arti with HP main stat and -10% dmg taken from fire is worth about the same as an arti with Atk main stat and -12-13% dmg taken from fire.

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Apr 16, 2023, 6:01 PM

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btw do I choose left or right

[summer spade]

jx9

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Rune Crafting Event: Substats

Your goal is to get 4 ideal substats with high rolls. Do not take any rune with a single bad substat, even if the other 3 substats are perfect max roll ideal substats. There is no +6 in this event and you want to maximize your chances of ending up with a useful rune without needing to reapp.

Slot 2 Spd: you MUST have Atk%, HP%, and Def%. The 4th substat can be either CR, Res, or Acc.
Slot 4 HP%: you MUST have Spd, Def%, and Atk%. The 4th substat can be either CR, Res, or Acc.
Slot 4 CR: you MUST have Spd, HP%, Def%, and Atk%.
Slot 4 Vio CD: you MUST have Spd, Atk%, and HP%. The 4th substat can be either CR or Def%.
Slot 4 Swift/Rage CD: you MUST have Spd, Atk%, and CR. The 4th substat can be either HP% or Def%.
Slot 6 HP%: you MUST have Spd, Def%, and Atk%. The 4th substat can be either CR, Res, or Acc.
Slot 6 Vio Atk%: you MUST have Spd, HP%, Def%, and CR.
Slot 6 Swift/Rage Atk%: you MUST have Spd, CR, and CD. The 4th substat can be either HP% or Def%.

These event runes can also come with an innate/prefix stat. You should always aim to have an innate and not settle for any rune without an innate unless there is not much time left in the event. The ideal innate stat is any one of the "4th" substats for that type of rune. For example, on a Vio Slot 4 HP% rune, the ideal innate would be CR, Res or Acc. Getting one of the 3 must-have substats (for example, Spd, Def%, or Atk%) as an innate instantly makes the rune bad, since those are the stats you want multiple rolls on. Getting any of the other substats that aren't mentioned (for example, flat HP/Def/Atk) may be acceptable and would depend on how much time is left in the event and what you're willing to settle for.

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Dec 27, 2024, 2:14 AM

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ahh it basically says arti subs are more valuable then the main stat

[queen rune]

correct. on this point, that's what it says.

[north karma]

both got teh criteria

tho

[queen rune]

but if you're at the point where you're trying to build speed teams, you should read the whole thing and try to understand it

[north karma]

I feel like left right

since it has higher basse

[queen rune]

cd is not an acceptable substat on an hp6 vio rune from this event

[north karma]

oh I didn't knew

didnt read it well

[queen rune]

that's why i linked you the guide

[north karma]

so left here right?

even with teh innate?

[queen rune]

there are soooo many resources on this server that helpers and advisors put time and energy into to answer as many questions as we can anticipate

you should treat those as the first step in answering any questions you have

[north karma]

ye i understand it's just sometimes hard to find

[queen rune]

this is a closer call. acc 8 innate is god tier reapp target, but you dont want cd rolls

[north karma]

so it's a dilemma?

[queen rune]

either is fine for now. what do your other event runes look like?

[north karma]

would u pick left or right tho

[queen rune]

right because worst case i reapp it. but dont take either yet. work on the cd4 instead

either of these are much better already than that one

[north karma]

cd4?

oh

crit dmg 4

[north karma]

oh didnt realise res was not a option

[queen rune]

slow down. read the resources. think things through. nothing in this game happens on anyone else's clock except rta

[north karma]

gotcha

okay back to runing my team

[queen rune]

i have to go

you have all the instructions you need to finish using swop for julie in this thread

kyle and whomie are easier. as much damage as possible at the right speed

left side arti +water, right side damage

get the best builds you can, then go test and see whether it works or not

gl hf

if you have more questions after working through these, feel free to post and i can help later or someone else can help now

[north karma]

how does convert work and are tehy woth converting

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tyty

[queen rune]

yes. take a shitty line you don't want on the arti and turn it into a good line you do want

left one turn damage on dark into add by speed

if right one is a julie arti, turn s3 acc into s3 cd or smth. but that line is nice on a lot of units and has two high rolls into it. so i wouldnt convert it out here

[north karma]

after every converet it gets more expensive

[queen rune]

correct

there are conversion gems/stones something (forget what theyre called) you can craft each week

that let you pick the line

you should craft those

[north karma]

add by speed is this the only goood one?

[north karma]

wait what

[queen rune]

its the best one here for julie. its not the only good line possible

[north karma]

the nromal adn hhigh one?

[queen rune]

just craft the normal. not worth burning nat4s for these to craft the high one. only difference is the minimum roll is higher. max is capped either way

craft them every week with your reapps and whatever else refreshes. use atk type nat3s of wind/water/fire element

that will give you a good mix of useful conversions

[north karma]

ohh damn, I needed to choose the correct element/att too

[queen rune]

yes it impacts what type/element of gem you can drop from crafting

[north karma]

wait is it called spd up effect

or add dmg by speped

oh I got it

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?kylegbah

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378618513306157056/1325651793232920586/image.png?ex=677f33f0&is=677de270&hm=d356b1d01d9bcaf619293ca72364d6b1791207f165ea9c6f9033c3c341a8b717&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=541&height=437

[north karma]

wait why does homu not need acc?

doesn't homu needs 35% acc?

does this build still hold or is he now jsut full dmg?

[north karma]

no acc whomie?

[fervent salmon]

full damage

prilea does the def break

[north karma]

like guaranteed?

[north karma]

wait the kona I use for gbah is diffeerent then the kona in sr5?

[fervent salmon]

kona in gbah just needs +65 on runes

for speed

prilea guarantees def break on monsters immune to stun

but the accuracy requirement still needs to be reached

[north karma]

ye only 35

[north karma]

does this work?

[fervent salmon]

run a 1x30 gbah run since you already runed them all

will tell u whether they are good enough

[warm ingot]

level up ur mons 😭

[north karma]

all to 40?

[fervent salmon]

your whomie seems to have too much speed, should only need +4

[north karma]

but are the runes good enough

[warm ingot]

Yes?

am I getting rage baited

[north karma]

is he in the wrong tick?

?speedtick

?tick

?gbah tick

[summer spade]

Giant's Keep Abyss (Hard)

• Team Upgrade Order, Turn order, and when to move to next team

1. ?justdoit2 team
2. Darion > Shannon > Belladeon > Vero(L) > 2aKro
3. Shannon > Belladeon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > 2aKro
4. Belladeon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > Wind Homie > 2aKro
5. Galleon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > Wind Homie > 2aKro
6. See ?teshgbah or ?kylegbah for spd team

Upgrade Info For Above Teams:

• Upgrade to Team 2: Correcting team stats and adding damage

• Shannon/Bella/Darion Spd/HP-DEF/HP, 35% acc, Correct turn order (see above)

• Vero: Spd/CD/HP, 100% CR, 45% acc, 180 cmb spd, 120k+ EHP

• 2aKro: ATT/CD/ATT, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd (can be lower early on), 100k+ ehp (can use a slot 2 or 6 HP% early on)

• Returning Players start here, if you cant than start with ?justdoit

• Upgrade to Team 3: Replace Darion for 2aSpectra

• 2aSpectra: Spd/CD/HP, 100% CR, 45% acc, 120k+ EHP

• Done before moving to ?toa

• Upgrade to Team 4: Replace Shannon with Wind Homie

• Wind Homie: ATT/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 35% acc, 169 combat spd, 80k+ EHP

• How to make ?whomie and can be added during Rift Beast step

• Upgrade to Team 5: Replace Belladeon with Galleon

• Galleon: Spd/(CR/CD)/HP, 100% CR, 35% acc, 120k EHP

• Can be on vio if you can manage

• Wants skill 1 and 3 maxed for best Defense Break Chance before adding

• Upgrade to Team 6: You move to the speed teams mentioned near the top of command AFTER yr done with #guides guides.

• What is EHP? See command: ?ehp

• EHP values are a rough estimate, being above is always better

• The minimum requirements must be met first before adding more DMG

• Upgrading to the next team depends on current step of #guides

• Artifacts depend on what one needs, Att for more dmg or HP/DEF for more EHP

[north karma]

wtf

[warm ingot]

Higher level is faster more consistent clear

[north karma]

but are the runes good enough

[north karma]

in kyle dhbah does talia need 85 or 100 crit
same for homu does he need 100 crit or 85

[queen rune]

Kyle looks a little weak and is missing skillups. Why is he on swift? He’s a nuker here with a pretty low speed requirement

Homie is fine on 85 cr for this team. His only job is to nuke final boss

Kona is too fast. It needs to move after Kyle to resurge

Show Artis for Kyle and Whomie

It’s honestly hard to evaluate builds when stuff isn’t fully leveled. You are missing base stats which makes all the rune bonus scalars weird

For Talia, she helps clear crystals in waves so she won’t get attribute advantage. More cr will make her damage more consistent

[north karma]

do u think it's too early to switch to speed teams?

[queen rune]

Level everything up and try it. If the teams work, you’re ready. If not, you need to farm more first. There’s no other way to answer that question

[north karma]

that simple?

[queen rune]

What else is there? Besides the Julie damage for crystal clear, there’s no objective measure

[north karma]

what was the requirement of julie 1 shot first wave right?

[queen rune]

She needs enough damage to wipe all the crystals. It’s expected that the golems will survive and Kyle finishes them

[north karma]

how about the mini boss should he get a turn?

[queen rune]

No. Kyle 2 turns plus 2 bonus turns after resurge needs to wipe mid boss

[north karma]

I feel like I am too early

should I go back to my other giant team then?

[queen rune]

That’s barely any hp left. Honestly if you farm artis for a week or 2 you should have enough damage for Julie for this team

See what happens on mid boss and final boss

[north karma]

well the whole turn order gets messed up

since he doesn't 1 shot it

thge mini boss gets turn

because the team is gonna use skills

[north karma]

but i actually h ave another question is it smart to make this speed team work, or use the r unes for arena team or smth?

[queen rune]

Manual it

[north karma]

what u mean

[queen rune]

Do a manual run where you select the skills so you can see what happens on mid boss. If you aren’t close on damage into midboss then you aren’t ready for this team

[queen rune]

You have to decide for yourself how to prioritize your runes

[north karma]

there is no recommendation?

[north karma]

also I ahve another question am I ready to make an arena team like do u usually make an arena team before speed team or after?

[queen rune]

There’s no usually. Everyone approaches things differently and has different resources on their accounts

[north karma]

how did 1 die

[north karma]

I see, what is ur recommendation

[queen rune]

Like I said, you’re right on the threshold of enough damage from Julie

[north karma]

but I had to check miniboss right

what skill I use now?

[queen rune]

To decide for yourself what you care about and want to prioritize

[north karma]

it depends am I ready to make a decent arena team? if I am able to make decent arena/siege teams etc I prefer to get those done before speed team. but if I am not be able to get a decent arena team etc. might aswell use the runes fora speed team

[queen rune]

Prilea s3, Julie s2, Kyle s2s1, Kona resurge Kyle, Kyle s2s1. See how close that gets to working

[north karma]

wait I am currently on kona turn

kona moves before kyle

[queen rune]

I told you to fix that

[north karma]

oh

oh my kona is too fast

[north karma]

fixed it

[north karma]

wait they died

wait the miniboss died too

nvm second wave they didnt die

okay so

what I think is

I litteraly need 1 artifact upgrade and it should already be enough dmg

[queen rune]

Then that’s what you farm

[north karma]

so I keep the speed team?

[north karma]

wait what if I change this arti

[queen rune]

You have to decide for yourself how to prioritize your runes

[north karma]

but what is ur recommendations

[queen rune]

To play your own account the way you want

[north karma]

I do have 1 more question

am I ready for an arena team?

actually I do have another question can I ask it

[queen rune]

If you finished basic teams for all of #guides you can start building things for PvP

You can start with arena, siege, rta or some combination

[north karma]

ye i actually did have basic teams, although now my giant team is a bit messed but the galleon one did work

[north karma]

I actually have another question the units I use for this speed team kyle/julie are they versatile can I use them anywhere else?

[queen rune]

Julie is a core siege offense mon. Her siege build works in this team

Kyle is pve only

But as you saw he is used in speed dragons too

[north karma]

oh then he is actually pretty good to build

[north karma]

but her siege build is it even more rune heavy?

[queen rune]

Depends on your level

[north karma]

the thing is, if I am gonna build this speed team I basically have not as good runes for lushen anymore

is that as mart choice?

[queen rune]

Why are you taking lushen runes? Totally different type of runes

[north karma]

oh realy?

whose runes am I taking

[queen rune]

Lushen wants 0 speed max damage

[north karma]

oh I see, can I ask 1 last question about my arena team

[queen rune]

…

[north karma]

too many questions?

[queen rune]

Just ask

[north karma]

oh

what arena team should I go

[queen rune]

Did you read beginner PvP ?

[north karma]

ye he gave some recommendations

like fat lushen

[queen rune]

That’s the first ao and siege offense you should build

[north karma]

is it not outdated?

[queen rune]

No

Nothing in the guides is outdated. They get updated as needed

[north karma]

btw this speed team does it have a 100% consistency?

or is the consistency lower then that of galleon?

[queen rune]

Built properly it should be 99% +

[north karma]

and the galleon team?

[queen rune]

The same

[north karma]

I was looking at my box, I think by runing julie I am sacrificing raoq runes right?

[queen rune]

How would I know that

[north karma]

btw I read the guide about defense not being important etc but I do got the unit of a decent defense team is it still not worth building it?

[queen rune]

Not when your are just starting out

You already have no runes

[north karma]

ye I actually barely have runes for a proper ao team tbh

[queen rune]

If you try to build a defense, now you have negative runes instead of 0

[north karma]

lol

[north karma]

but I have a question is fat lushen a general good ao team? I need to make an ao which is against the popular defenses I don't have the runes to make multiple ao if u know what I eman