my help thread

[north karma]

is hp% gemming for crit rate smart?

[wintry trout]

It's impossible to know

without seeing your astar

[north karma]

for toah and toa I was told there was an astar team for toa I think 2/3 astar and for toah there is dot teams but can anyone say what it exactly is?

[topaz charm]

the astar is to just rush through lower stages. once you start dying youll just use your regular toa team

dot teams suck and not faster than any toa team we have

[north karma]

what is the most optimal toa teams

?toa

[summer spade]

# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE

Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma ?ragleo

• First ToaN (normal) team will consists of the ?justdoit team which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon, Loren and Lapis

• ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Vero, Mav (wind penguin), Fran and 2 of these units below depending on floor

• 2aSpectra, Melia, Loren

• [Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Fran] - Violent-Swift/Any SPD/DEF/HP, Def Artifacts, 200 SPD

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆, faster than mav

• [2aSpectra] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/HP, 100% CR, HP/DEF artifacts, 45% acc, 120K+ EHP

• [Loren] - Swift/Any, SPD/DEF/HP, HP/Def Artifacts, 45% acc, 200 SPD

• [Veromos and Shannon] are runed as they are for ?gbah

Additional Info

• If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do. This is the time you learn what monsters do.
• Will start to be able to auto more floors as your monster runes improve otherwise manual the floors
• Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see ?qstart and ?devilmon .
• Use in Anti-Crit stages (Jultan/Kumae and Art)
• Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages.
• 45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
• Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does.

[north karma]

is the ?toa realy the fastest?

anyone can help me?

[somber trout]

Speed on ToA doesn't matter. You farm during it anyway.

[north karma]

but I was told it is possilbe to make it faster.

and it can also be useful for the free toa eenrgy event.

[topaz charm]

its content u do once a month

you can farm at the same time doing toa

there is 0 reason to make it any faster

its not worth building extra just to speed up toa content

[north karma]

but can I know what u use to copy it.

since the units u use will probaly be used elsewhere right?

[topaz charm]

i just use the ?toa + vigor instead of loren

[north karma]

for toa normal oor hard?

[topaz charm]

both

[north karma]

so veromos fran vigor lapis shannon foor normal?

[topaz charm]

why does it matter

toa is not hard content

[north karma]

and vero mav fran vigr spectra for toah?

[topaz charm]

can you like stop asking useless questions for a second

[north karma]

but the thing is I am struggliong realy hard

[topaz charm]

you can use any bruiser team combination whenever thsts the toa team we suggest or the ones you build for pvp

[north karma]

it won't wrk on autoo

[topaz charm]

you are supposed to use mellia here

[north karma]

huh

[topaz charm]

ragdolls have a crit

mellia is for anti crit floors

when you are of lower rune quality

[north karma]

mella instead of shannon?

[topaz charm]

if you cant auto a floor then you manual floor

sure

[north karma]

and vigor?

vigor insteadd of spectra?

[topaz charm]

i wouldnt vigor this floor

[north karma]

so this owould work?

or any adjustment?

if I max mellia btw

[topaz charm]

depends on your runes

[north karma]

but I meant coonsidering I have decent runes

this team will work right?

[topaz charm]

decent is ambiguous

[north karma]

uhh

so like this is the team u would recommend for this stage then right?

[topaz charm]

does mav has a lot of def, ehp? is fran 1500 def? does she has enough atk to not make her heals weak? does vero has enough ehp after 100% cr and cd slot 4? too many factors to even consider

again just depends on how well runed they are

but considering youre strugglig even with shannon aoe def buff

i doubt it

[north karma]

uhh can I see what team u are using for this

[topaz charm]

like i told you

same as ?toa

[north karma]

?toa

[summer spade]

# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE

Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma ?ragleo

• First ToaN (normal) team will consists of the ?justdoit team which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon, Loren and Lapis

• ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Vero, Mav (wind penguin), Fran and 2 of these units below depending on floor

• 2aSpectra, Melia, Loren

• [Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Fran] - Violent-Swift/Any SPD/DEF/HP, Def Artifacts, 200 SPD

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆, faster than mav

• [2aSpectra] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/HP, 100% CR, HP/DEF artifacts, 45% acc, 120K+ EHP

• [Loren] - Swift/Any, SPD/DEF/HP, HP/Def Artifacts, 45% acc, 200 SPD

• [Veromos and Shannon] are runed as they are for ?gbah

Additional Info

• If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do. This is the time you learn what monsters do.
• Will start to be able to auto more floors as your monster runes improve otherwise manual the floors
• Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see ?qstart and ?devilmon .
• Use in Anti-Crit stages (Jultan/Kumae and Art)
• Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages.
• 45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
• Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does.

[north karma]

but it litterlay says vero mav fran and then 2 extra mellia spectra.

[topaz charm]

and loren

you are correct

but

[north karma]

so loren would be a better fit?

[topaz charm]

this is about runes not monsters

and if you do not have runes

then it doesnt matter because you cant beat it

[north karma]

but I do have runes.

[topaz charm]

so whats the issue? have you even tried mellia? you can manual it and see what happens

take advantage of fran heals, dont use her immunity too quick, use mav provoke high atb ragdolls, kill them asap and leave leo last

rely on vero and mellia stuns

you can take out spectra and use shannon+mellia if you really need that more def

but spectra does has aoe atk reduction and you have cc from vero s2 stun and fran heals and mav reset cd

and if all of that still doesnt work

[north karma]

how about mav?

[topaz charm]

what about mav?

[north karma]

oh wait I understand it I think I use mav s3 when I used all other units skills.

[topaz charm]

yeah

it also helps a lot if all your units that arent on cd builds to be less than 20% cr

fran is not great cuz she will always have 15% more cr on ragdolls so it would be better to use it on leo

mellia can benefit from despair set

but other than that

its just stats

this floor is not relatively hard

[north karma]

by any chance can u expalin ?srbah

?srbah

[summer spade]

Spiritual Realm Abyss (Hard)

• Team and Turn Order:

1. Sieq > Carcano/Shaina > 2aRaoq > +1 > Verde (35-40sec)

• Requirements:

• Sieq: SPD/(CR-CD)/HP, 100k EHP, 100% CR

• Shaina: (SPD-ATT)/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 10% acc

• Carcano: (SPD-ATT)/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 35% acc

• 2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• Verde: ATT/CD/ATT, 90k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR

• Boss Condition:

• The boss decreases all monsters CR by half at the start of wave 4

• Stores one charge every time boss/crystals receive a non-critical hit and when boss/crystals deal a critical hit ( Up to 9 charges can be stored) and does more damage from Magic Power Barrage Passive

• Sieq's skill 3 gives 30% from CR buff and 10% from the 2 buffs (5% CR for each buff)

• Elemental advantage gives 15% CR for fire monsters against wind

• A shield set gives another 5% CR for the first 2 turns

• Other Info:

• All monsters must be 100% CR

• Combat speed for this dungeon is 177, and most monsters will be faster than that with verde's lead for other areas, except astar, so just need tune them for their turn order above

• The plus one can be astar (moves after verde) or another fire nuker and would move before verde

• Shaina has built in acc (25% from passive) so only needs 10% from runes

• Shaina speeds this dungeon up considerable compared to carcano

• Overall the dungeon isnt that difficult

[north karma]

do I use shaina and carcano or only 1?

if only 1 who is the other one

[topaz charm]

read the whole thing and tell me what you think

but there is 0 reason to have a srbah team

[north karma]

oh I didn't knew that I was told I just have to go through #beginner guides from toop to bottom

[north karma]

shaina is btw better ddidn't readd that part soorry.

[topaz charm]

all good

[north karma]

astar is the +1

so doon't build srbah team?

[topaz charm]

its just not needed to have a team to farm srbah, its the worst dungeon in the gsme with worst runes

i wouldnt bother. you can get fight runes from other sources

[north karma]

gotcha

[north karma]

but if i look at this isn't it froom top to bottom the priority.

or is nbah dbah more important?

[topaz charm]

it says "optional dungeon" for fight runes which you dont need at this stage

[north karma]

ahhh

mb I was too focusedd on getting it from top to bottom.

[topaz charm]

dbah you can already farm but its only good rune set is vio and theres no point fsrming it until youre done with beginner guides

[north karma]

I will skip srbah then and go to nbah and dbah

[topaz charm]

nbah would be the next step after pcah

[north karma]

I do goot kyle is the speed team then possible?

[topaz charm]

again its about runes

if you can farm it with the runes u have using kyle then yes

if not

then

you use the prior team

having a higher consistent team is technically faster than a speed tesm thats not consistent

[north karma]

so I think I got the idea of tooah, u use for specific stages liek ragdll melia oor smth. but in general it should be vermos fran mav vigor spectra if this doesn't work since there is a gimmick in the stage u use mellia or shannon or smth extra.

[topaz charm]

yes, thats why we suggest those +2s

[north karma]

also the vigor is that fine?

can I ask why u use vigor insteadd of loren, I got him built but idk which is better.

gotcha I will try veromoos fran mav vigor spectra mostly then.

astar astar lapis raoq icaru does that work?

triple ddogs u mean triple icaru

[hard cipher]

i wouldnt exactly be givin him teams outside of the guides with the kind of questions he's been asking

stick to ?toa for toan/h

leo/rag stage is just

?ragleo

[summer spade]

• See ?toa
• Vero (L) fran mav mellia shannon
• Support units with as low crit as possible.

[north karma]

even not vigor instead of loren?

[hard cipher]

yes

[north karma]

but I do got tyron vigor built.

[hard cipher]

so what

[north karma]

and for toa normal?

[hard cipher]

.....

[north karma]

but when am I ready for improovements actually?

[hard cipher]

when u dont have to ask us how to do a stage of toa/h

[north karma]

I do knoow, it's basically cc the enemy so u won't get hit

[topaz charm]

if you think thats the case you're missing the point of whats mentioned and why we suggest building bruiser teams

the units mentioned in toa team all are supposed to be tanky to handle every wave and take a few hits

[north karma]

ye I got all the units tho.

[topaz charm]

if they are not tanky

then this is just what i literally said from the beginning

[north karma]

but u said u used loren instead oof vigoor right?

[topaz charm]

....

i think you're on your own, good luck with everything

[north karma]

no I realy understand what u are saying runes over moonsters. if u don't goot the runes no team will be able to clear it.

but the thing I am trying to say is I did farm like 2-3months f runes.

[north karma]

Btw do uever 2a belladeon?

[fervent salmon]

no need to 2a bella, waste of resources

[north karma]

and darion?

[hard cipher]

?dhole

[summer spade]

Second Awakening Priority

• Core PvE start: Kro → Spectra → Raoq → Icaru

• Next up PvE + PvP: Lulu/Kahli/Vigor → Shamann

• High priority PvP only: Elucia Eshir Chacha Bernard Roid

• Low priority siege/PvP: (work without 2A): Tractor Copper Bulldozer

• Other notables (mostly siege): Lala Jultan Jubelle Shren

• Rune Dungeon Priority
  Lumel → Kharzan/Ellunia → Khalderun → Sacreon

Use ?dholeinfo in #bot-commands for dungeon guides and more information.

[north karma]

I did most of them but darion is noto there

[hard cipher]

thus u have yr answer

[north karma]

oh that's indeed quite smart, because he is not tehre then it menas he is not worth to 2a otherwise he was in there

[north karma]

is this coorrect as in priority order I am gonna rerune a bit

[neon oxide]

Bro you don’t need rune optimizers to finish toah

[north karma]

is it correct tho

[neon oxide]

The order of mons to build?

[north karma]

ye

[neon oxide]

No it’s not correct if you’re trying to finish pve bc you need to build your toah mons

Galleon isn’t a must rn

Js rune the monsters by hand

It’s pretty valuable and it’ll help you in the long run

[hard cipher]

u build teams

[north karma]

Also do h know where to find labyrinth team hell

[hard cipher]

worry about finishing up #guides

[north karma]

I did but i know there was a lab channel but cant find it

[neon oxide]

Don’t think abt it just follow the guide

[north karma]

I did most of pve but can i see the lab channel for future

[neon oxide]

You have an sr5 team?

[north karma]

Yes

There was a lab channel which shows for hell stages

But i cant find it

[hard cipher]

you in the same breath asking for the order of how to rerune your mosnters, now want to know lab hell teams

like i said

finish #guides

[north karma]

But i can guarantee there was a channel right

[hard cipher]

then u can worry about lab hell teams

there is a place and a time

and at this moment, yr at neither

[north karma]

But can i know the channel when i show i have all pve done?

[hard cipher]

no, ask again when yr done

[north karma]

But rhe channel exist right just for my information

Like with dark hommu

[hard cipher]

......

[north karma]

I will ask again when i am done but do i get answer then?

[hard cipher]

i do dislike having to repeat myself

[north karma]

I am sorry, didn't read that part well.

also is dhole raid team needed, didn't saw it in guide

[north karma]

also I was wondering does brandia/vanessa/hommu worth devilmon?

[hard cipher]

?devilmon

[summer spade]

For New Players

• Veromos > Spectra 2A > Vigor 2A > Raoq 2A
• Galleon if used on your gbah team (S1 and s3)
• Save the rest of your devilmon until #guides is finished and you are ready to start PvP

✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning ASAP (for example, galleon for 100% harmful effect rate on S3). For more information about this, check the 4* skillup part of #1048719420870107227 .

[north karma]

I got all oof these already maxed

[north karma]

kro is not in here btw right?

[hard cipher]

well if he was suppose to be in there, then he'd be in there..

[north karma]

sadly I had veromos alsoo devilmoned but with this event u get him for free max skill

[north karma]

but after this what I use devilmon for?

[north karma]

I see I save then.

[north karma]

I have a question about builds like for example in gbah veromos needs 120k ehp 100 crit 45 acc 180 speed and wants cdmg. but if u reach these stats . how do I upgrade my veromos. should all the stats be converted to cdmg, or should I do smth like 140k ehp 190 speed and more cdmg? or just same ehp and all into cdmg?

[neon oxide]

He’s gonna need more Ehp for sr5

Which you said you already finished

[north karma]

so smth like 150k ehp 200 speed would that be fine?

or where else should I put the extra stat in?

[neon oxide]

js put it into cd for now

[queen rune]

Pve vero is a bruiser. He can benefit from more ehp, more damage (atk or cd), getting on vio, getting faster (as long as it doesn’t mess up turn orders in your teams)

Once you meet minimums, he just wants more stats generally

[north karma]

so u are saying after the requirements extra ehp/att/cd/speed/vio set basically all the stats he needs getting it extra is good?

wait att was not on the requirements

[neon oxide]

pretty much

ill show you my vero if you want

i havent reruned him since sr5

[north karma]

yes if possible

it gives me like an idea what u do with the extra stats.

[neon oxide]

k hes not perfect and i prob need to improve him

heres what i went w

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Veromos

#1 Blade,Blade,Blade

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 31864
DEF: 1180
ATK: 1072
SPD: 201
CR: 100%
CD: 76%
ACC: 55%
RES: 40%
E.HP: 167923
Effcy: 89.25%

#2 Energy,Energy,Blade

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 28361
DEF: 1085
ATK: 1217
SPD: 212
CR: 101%
CD: 79%
ACC: 64%
RES: 30%
E.HP: 140032
Effcy: 88.99%

#3 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 28361
DEF: 1091
ATK: 1025
SPD: 203
CR: 100%
CD: 154%
ACC: 48%
RES: 36%
E.HP: 140628
Effcy: 88.79%

#4 Blade,Blade,Blade

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 32194
DEF: 918
ATK: 1105
SPD: 201
CR: 105%
CD: 76%
ACC: 66%
RES: 41%
E.HP: 140140
Effcy: 88.77%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

are any of these fine?

I assume 3 come close to urs

[neon oxide]

i would run 3

[north karma]

this is without artefact so 3kp hp from artefact too

[neon oxide]

it looks pretty good

[north karma]

I do hp artefacts right?

[neon oxide]

yeah js look for dmg on water if you want to speed on gbah

[queen rune]

You need 100 cr and slot 4 cd. Those are part of the minimum requirements

You’re missing 100cr. This is not a good example to give other people

[north karma]

I took #3

is that good?

[neon oxide]

Sorry I thought he was on 100cr

[neon oxide]

Oh wait mb I gemmed out some stuff for cr but it didn’t save

[north karma]

also can I see ur galleon

[north karma]

or can I see ur galleon?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Galleon

#1 Energy,Swift

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 33016
DEF: 902
ATK: 1062
SPD: 243
CR: 104%
CD: 50%
ACC: 38%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 141869
Effcy: 85.94%

#2 Energy,Swift

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 33247
DEF: 901
ATK: 1143
SPD: 232
CR: 110%
CD: 60%
ACC: 44%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 142745
Effcy: 89.48%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

I got this for galleon

[snow tendon]

Here is your build.

Galleon

#1 Energy,Swift

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 30017
DEF: 1021
ATK: 1102
SPD: 240
CR: 103%
CD: 69%
ACC: 40%
RES: 19%
E.HP: 141485
Effcy: 88.98%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

also why do they say ehp requirement isn't there also an hp requirement? since the giant can reduce defence hp is more valuable.

[neon oxide]

i put more cd on my galleon over hp

[north karma]

can I see spectra too

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Spectra (2A)

#1 Energy,Blade,Blade

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 31650
DEF: 998
ATK: 1083
SPD: 210
CR: 103%
CD: 87%
ACC: 69%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 146634
Effcy: 89.85%

#2 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 25317
DEF: 1039
ATK: 1030
SPD: 210
CR: 100%
CD: 180%
ACC: 49%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 120926
Effcy: 88.78%

#3 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 29198
DEF: 852
ATK: 1034
SPD: 205
CR: 104%
CD: 167%
ACC: 45%
RES: 31%
E.HP: 120354
Effcy: 88.75%

#4 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 27973
DEF: 991
ATK: 1001
SPD: 206
CR: 101%
CD: 163%
ACC: 57%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 128913
Effcy: 88.72%

#5 Energy,Blade,Blade

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 25419
DEF: 1179
ATK: 1004
SPD: 207
CR: 100%
CD: 160%
ACC: 49%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 133869
Effcy: 86.42%

#6 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 30016
DEF: 1088
ATK: 945
SPD: 212
CR: 104%
CD: 102%
ACC: 49%
RES: 19%
E.HP: 148519
Effcy: 86.29%

provided by SWOP

[hard cipher]

of these then, which meet or exceed the requirements for him?

[north karma]

as more enemy hp artifact does it mean, u have to have more hp then enemy?

[north karma]

all exceeded tho.

[hard cipher]

relook at this

2 of those are automatically disqualified

[hard cipher]

think of it as a sliding bar, at one end u have 0 hp and the other 100%, this also the case for how hp condition artifacts work

in this case, the better the enemy hp is, the more dmg the artifact gives you

[north karma]

oohh like that. that makes sense so as more enemy hp u want them to be as full as possible to get most out of it

as less enemy hp is ofc other way around

[north karma]

right, mb forgot about those 2.

[hard cipher]

so of the 4 remaining builds, id go with # 5, not much difference between the builds so going with the higher ehp one

[north karma]

oh right, ye I think I chose that one but it's a nice confirmation I chose correct.

[north karma]

for fran I am trying to think where all the extra stats go after meeting the requirements

I think definitly some extra ehp is not bad also some speed and dump rest into att?

150k ehp seems fien right?

[hard cipher]

well u have the sr5 requirements, speed tuning to yr teams

[north karma]

ye but the sr5 requirements are quite low

?riftstats

[summer spade]

Rift Beast Stats

==============
Monsters used depends on which rift your doing

• Frontline: Fran and Mav will Frontline for all rifts

• 90% SSS rate can be considered acceptable to farm

• Fran - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 200 spd, low CR, 2 def artifacts

• Fran does want some ATT but this comes after meeting minimum req's above

• Mav - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 180 spd, 45% acc, low CR, 2 def artifacts

• Fran should be on Vio, get enough free Vio runes to make this happen

• Mav can be on vio also but if he cant, then use what gets him the required stats

• The accuracy and CR requirements are for ?toa , as accuracy in rift beast is not important

• Lapis - [SPD-ATT]/CD/ATT, 180 SPD after Speed Tower, 85% CR, balance of ATT/CD, attack artifacts

• Can reuse some of the free +15 vamp runes from ?farmer as a base, slot 2 should be switched to speed

• Focusing more on ATT/CD from runes can allow you to use HP artifacts so she's not too squishy still for faimon farming

• Hraesvelg - [SPD-ATT]/CD/[ATT-HP], 90k eHP, fastest DD, 70+ CR, balance of ATK/CD)

• Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 140 SPD, 100% CR, balance of ATK/CD and stats needed for ?gbah , NOT on violent

• Twins - see Damage Dealer below

• if using talia lead, CR can drop to 76%

• **Damage Dealers **- ATT/CD/ATT 140+ spd, 100% CR

• Minimum of +200% attack and 170 CD, Artifacts (ATT/ATT)

• Ardella only needs 75% CR due to passive to reach 100% CR

[hard cipher]

????

[north karma]

it says 1500 def and 15k hp

and 200 speed

and rest into att

[hard cipher]

+15k hp

not 15k total hp

[north karma]

oh

mb

aboout 25k hp?

[hard cipher]

u also have 220k ehp with summoner skills and leaderskills for sr5 frontline

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fran

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25745
DEF: 1523
ATK: 1212
SPD: 203
CR: 32%
CD: 58%
ACC: 12%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 166583
Effcy: 83.89%

#2 Energy,Swift

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25373
DEF: 1539
ATK: 1229
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 165596
Effcy: 79.58%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

both reaches the requirement I think

[hard cipher]

this with just summoner skills or summoner skills and leaderskills included?

[north karma]

this is without artefacts

this is runes

so artefacts is +3k hpo

[north karma]

without leaderskills and skills

just the stats u will see in monster tab

but then also without artefacts

[hard cipher]

that should be enough, though with swop u can turn on both of these to make sure

[north karma]

oh u have too check for urself u get 220k ehp ?

[hard cipher]

yes

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fran

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 28150
DEF: 1517
ATK: 948
SPD: 201
CR: 25%
CD: 61%
ACC: 8%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 181553
Effcy: 80.23%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 26285
DEF: 1523
ATK: 1172
SPD: 203
CR: 28%
CD: 65%
ACC: 6%
RES: 33%
E.HP: 170077
Effcy: 85.19%

#3 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25745
DEF: 1523
ATK: 1212
SPD: 203
CR: 32%
CD: 58%
ACC: 12%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 166583
Effcy: 83.89%

#4 Energy,Swift

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25373
DEF: 1539
ATK: 1229
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 165596
Effcy: 79.58%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

what u think of the 180k ehp just in case

or is att too important?

[snow tendon]

Fran (Light Fairy Queen)

Wikia

Base

HP: 10215 — DEF: 461
ATK: 670 — SPD: 103
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15

Info

Type: Support
Stars: 4
Devils: 16
Farmable: No

Awaken

From: Fairy Queen

Lead

Increase the Attack Speed of ally monsters by 10%

provided by SWARFARM

[north karma]

uhh

[north karma]

what ddo I gotta see in here actualyl?

[snow tendon]

209608 ehp. Deffbroken: 88817 ehp.

[north karma]

oh I don';t got enough ehp?

[snow tendon]

228957 ehp. Deffbroken: 97016 ehp.

[north karma]

this one seems fine

which one is this?

[hard cipher]

after adding hp lead and 2 hp artifacts, the first does reach 220k ehp

[north karma]

I guess that one is my only option then right?

[snow tendon]

232358 ehp. Deffbroken: 95642 ehp.

[hard cipher]

they should all be relatively close

[north karma]

ughh

so should I try to do some extra ehp

to be more secure?

but the thing is the more ehp I wnt the less att btw

[hard cipher]

meaning that they are eithe rgoing to be close or over

[north karma]

which one would u recommend?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fran

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 26285
DEF: 1523
ATK: 1172
SPD: 203
CR: 28%
CD: 65%
ACC: 6%
RES: 33%
E.HP: 170077
Effcy: 85.19%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25745
DEF: 1523
ATK: 1212
SPD: 203
CR: 32%
CD: 58%
ACC: 12%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 166583
Effcy: 83.89%

#3 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 27884
DEF: 1517
ATK: 1015
SPD: 202
CR: 24%
CD: 68%
ACC: 0%
RES: 37%
E.HP: 179837
Effcy: 83.23%

#4 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 28150
DEF: 1517
ATK: 948
SPD: 201
CR: 25%
CD: 61%
ACC: 8%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 181553
Effcy: 80.23%

#5 Energy,Swift

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25373
DEF: 1539
ATK: 1229
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 165596
Effcy: 79.58%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

or should I do the 179k ehp

well I should add 2 def artefacts btw not 2 hp artefacts

that was in the guide

[hard cipher]

that will help with ehp more usually

[north karma]

do u think the 179k ehp one is best then?

[snow tendon]

228784 ehp. Deffbroken: 94171 ehp.

[north karma]

is thi sfor 179k ehp?

[snow tendon]

21469 ehp. Deffbroken: 8834 ehp.

[north karma]

is this including leader skill and summoenrs skills and artefacts?

[snow tendon]

216795 ehp. Deffbroken: 88978 ehp.

[hard cipher]

save build # 5

then see how close u can get using vio

[north karma]

that one is realy low ehp

[hard cipher]

its 4k off (close enough to grind a few runes if need be)

[north karma]

I checked for violent I can't make it, I haven't farmed violent all my violent runes are from events. but I should be able to clear dbah.

[hard cipher]

not telling you to farm dbah

[north karma]

I see let me try to check if I can do 220k ehp without losing att too much

[hard cipher]

im telling you to see from the free runes you've gotten from the game and events to see if u can get close

[north karma]

ahh, I tried I can't my violent runes are not that good.

[north karma]

well bould 1 has 170k ehp

is that one still too less?

[hard cipher]

?

[north karma]

I know u don't like to repeat urself but I am a bit confused which build should be taken.

[hard cipher]

.

[north karma]

but u also said this right?

I am lacking 4k ehp right?

[hard cipher]

correct

[north karma]

but if that's the case isn't build 1 better?

[hard cipher]

a few grinds/gems can easily fix 4k ehp

well no

think back to fran's toa use

what is a condition for supports in toa

[north karma]

they should be able to heal?

or cc?

[hard cipher]

they shouldnt be more than 20% CR

so u can use during anti-crit stages

[north karma]

oh wait right

mb

that is actually a good one

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fran

#1 Energy,Swift

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 25373
DEF: 1539
ATK: 1229
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 165596
Effcy: 79.58%

#2 Swift,Energy

DEF%, HP%, DEF%

HP: 26824
DEF: 1512
ATK: 1142
SPD: 204
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 21%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 172531
Effcy: 81.22%

#3 Energy,Swift

DEF%, HP%, DEF%

HP: 27088
DEF: 1554
ATK: 1095
SPD: 200
CR: 15%
CD: 50%
ACC: 13%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 178211
Effcy: 79.73%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

I tried to find ones with less then 20 crit this is all I can find

shoould I just take build 1?

and try to gem the 4k ehp

[hard cipher]

1

[queen rune]

This is for sr5?

[north karma]

uhh sr5 toah

[queen rune]

You would benefit from more speed, vio, or res

I know Fran isn’t a “cleanser” but she’s a core PVE mon and you should give her a better build

[north karma]

gotcha, but if u look at build1 would u sacrifice att for more speed?

[north karma]

I see I guess I will put him in higher prio build then

[queen rune]

She should have your best support runes the whole time you’re in pve

[north karma]

she is already at top of the prio list actually lol, I guess I need grinds that will probaly help my builds alot.

[north karma]

I think for the moment this is the best I can do right?

[queen rune]

Only you can answer that

But I would guess you have 4 vio runes on your account you could put together to give her

And then cobble together an energy set or broken to fill out her build

Don’t rely on swop

[north karma]

I tried but with violent swop said I can't make a goood build

[north karma]

also for mav is it similair to fran, but fran needs att mav doesn't where do I put extra stats into

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Mav

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 29908
DEF: 1544
ATK: 948
SPD: 180
CR: 19%
CD: 61%
ACC: 51%
RES: 20%
E.HP: 195717
Effcy: 81.44%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 27354
DEF: 1523
ATK: 960
SPD: 185
CR: 15%
CD: 86%
ACC: 53%
RES: 39%
E.HP: 176994
Effcy: 84.94%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

are any of these good enough for mav?

[queen rune]

Like I said, don’t use swop

[north karma]

I tried that too, I checked I realy don't have good vio runes for fran tho.

[queen rune]

Go look at your vio runes and try to find 4 with stats that make sense for Fran

[north karma]

also do u know vigor build by any chance/

[queen rune]

Then the swift builds for Fran and Mav are both fine

Vigor wants speed and hp

[north karma]

ye I guess I just need grinds and more runes to improve it.

[queen rune]

Def/acc next priority

[north karma]

how much acc the more the merrier?

[queen rune]

Extra stats after that can be cr

Aim for 35 acc

[north karma]

and after that cd and att I assume?

[queen rune]

After that you have no more stats

[north karma]

spd/hp/hp right?

[north karma]

ye u are right this is alr plenty stats I guess.

[queen rune]

You’re better off getting lots of the stats the mon needs than a few of every random stat they could possibly get some benefit from

[north karma]

ye that's what I tohught oof

if u got extra room for stats just dump more into speed/hp/def

for vigor case

[north karma]

is more acc better or not necessary?

[north karma]

can I see ur vigor how much speed/hp does it has to have 50k hp + 190 speed or better to dump into more speed?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Vigor (2A)

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 50538
DEF: 1128
ATK: 893
SPD: 190
CR: 21%
CD: 62%
ACC: 36%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 257137
Effcy: 80.83%

#2 Energy,Swift

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 44982
DEF: 1008
ATK: 1045
SPD: 191
CR: 58%
CD: 82%
ACC: 40%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 209975
Effcy: 85.74%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

any of these fine?

[queen rune]

There are reference mons for everything you need to build in the beginner playthrough in resources

[north karma]

or better to have more cr?

[north karma]

ye I know, but for vigor idk I realy couldn't find it

the build I meant

[hard cipher]

200-210 spd, 35% acc, rest into hp

no need for CR

[north karma]

and hoow much def?

[hard cipher]

factor that in when yr looking at the builds

[north karma]

uhm I think 1.5k def is better?

[hard cipher]

those are too slow

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Vigor (2A)

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 44100
DEF: 793
ATK: 872
SPD: 245
CR: 51%
CD: 62%
ACC: 35%
RES: 26%
E.HP: 172673
Effcy: 80.11%

#2 Energy,Swift

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 47985
DEF: 823
ATK: 958
SPD: 204
CR: 73%
CD: 74%
ACC: 42%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 192923
Effcy: 85.03%

#3 Swift,Energy

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 51936
DEF: 910
ATK: 1004
SPD: 203
CR: 21%
CD: 73%
ACC: 39%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 224623
Effcy: 82.73%

#4 Swift,Energy

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 47396
DEF: 1192
ATK: 893
SPD: 201
CR: 21%
CD: 62%
ACC: 35%
RES: 24%
E.HP: 251767
Effcy: 80.91%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

all are 200 speed

or should I do 210?

[north karma]

it seems like 1.2k def? around that is fine?

[hard cipher]

4 would be fine

[north karma]

gotcha, thanks

[hard cipher]

though are you just building random monsters?

[north karma]

no,no doon't get me wrong I am realy following the guide

it was just for lumel5 I need vigor, and it says oon devilmon priority vigor was high prio. so I build according to priority monsters. the one important first so they can get better builds.

[north karma]

like I promise all my monsters are from the guides.

[hard cipher]

what i mean by this though is you should be building monsters by teams, and not 1 monster on this team then the next monster on another

[north karma]

ye ye I just finished gbah andd toa team, now I was doing lumel 5

now I am gonna do beasts team

[hard cipher]

k

u mean sfah

[north karma]

wait u are right

sfah first

[hard cipher]

which u should be including all the other area's into that monsters build when building it

[north karma]

ye I sometimes forgot some part but I will try to remember all the other areas.

2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
I will try to do this for raoq and dump rest intoo att/cd but maybe 180 speed is better right?

oor also more ehp?

[hard cipher]

what other monsters need to be at 169 cmb spd as well and move after raoq

[north karma]

kroo

[hard cipher]

this is all info you need to keep in mind to turn orders and min speeds are still achieved for everything

[north karma]

I see I just follow this with correct speed order and then dump rest into dmg since raooq is a dd after all

the more dmg the better

[hard cipher]

raoq is also used in sr5, which needs 120k ehp for backline

[north karma]

oh

I doo 120k ehp

[north karma]

for lapis:
Lapis - [SPD-ATT]/CD/ATT, 180 SPD after Speed Tower, 85% CR, balance of ATT/CD, attack artifacts
Can reuse some of the free +15 vamp runes from ?farmer as a base, slot 2 should be switched to speed
Focusing more on ATT/CD from runes can allow you to use HP artifacts so she's not too squishy still for faimon farming
what speed/acc/ehp does he need?

[hard cipher]

its mentioned/ na / na

[north karma]

oh right 180 speed

no acc I think?

but does he needs vampire set or does he mention just use some vampire runes?

[hard cipher]

yes the free set that she got to start, and no dont need vamp

[north karma]

are there other areas where I need lapis on 100 crit?

also he doesn't mention how much ehp I guess just soome to surivve faimon farming

?rift-stats

[hard cipher]

whats mentioned in riftstas is all that is important for riftstats

[north karma]

so basically lapis build over all the pve content considered a little bit of ehp tons of dmg, 180 speed?

and 85 crit not 100?

[hard cipher]

get in the habit of 100% CR on yr dmg dealers, you never know when and where u might use soemthing for some other content

[north karma]

ye that's why I was asking, idk if there is a different palce where I would use lapis where I don't have elemental advantage. But I will try to remember this for all dd

[north karma]

btw he says get a bit of hp to farm faimon volcano but whwat is bit of hp, how much ehp?

[hard cipher]

more than 0

[north karma]

ye ofc it's more then 0

but like

bit of hp is kinda hard to estimate right?

[north karma]

can I know how much ehp ur lapis has?

[hard cipher]

overthinking this

[north karma]

mb

[north karma]

if I would take a guess I think I just have to put like 50-60k ehp in case I might use him elsewhere where he needs a bit of tankiness right?

oor is this too low?

[hard cipher]

is it more than 0

[north karma]

wait I thought that was sarcasm

[hard cipher]

nope

[north karma]

but at that pooint he doesn't need ehp at all?

I think 50k ehp sounds fine for now tbh

like he should be able to tank a bit for faimon then

[north karma]

do u also know wwhere I use icaru and what his build is, I've searched the whole server.

[queen rune]

Don’t need to search the whole server, just beginner guides

[north karma]

I found it in necro, but it doesn't say his build

[hard cipher]

found in another team as well

[north karma]

are u sure

I only can find he is acore pve unit

2aIcaru: 3301 total def, 169 cmb spd, 35% acc

found it

[north karma]

any idea if the 100% crit rule also apply for water twwin

[hard cipher]

why wouldnt it

[north karma]

couldn't realy imagine a place wwhere I use water twin without their leader skill, but I guess there is

[summer spade]

aceatall

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
get in the habit of 100% CR on yr dmg dealers, you never know when and where u might use soemthing for some other content

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Nov 3, 2024, 8:20 PM

[north karma]

I am trying to find the place where it says what the build are of sr5 monsters but I can't find it

?sr5

[summer spade]

Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

• First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: ⁠#1166120830921621504 message

• If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

[north karma]

bella build is not here

[hard cipher]

frontline stats

[north karma]

oh

?rift-stats

?rift-stats

?riftstats

[summer spade]

Rift Beast Stats

==============
Monsters used depends on which rift your doing

• Frontline: Fran and Mav will Frontline for all rifts

• 90% SSS rate can be considered acceptable to farm

• Fran - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 200 spd, low CR, 2 def artifacts

• Fran does want some ATT but this comes after meeting minimum req's above

• Mav - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 180 spd, 45% acc, low CR, 2 def artifacts

• Fran should be on Vio, get enough free Vio runes to make this happen

• Mav can be on vio also but if he cant, then use what gets him the required stats

• The accuracy and CR requirements are for ?toa , as accuracy in rift beast is not important

• Lapis - [SPD-ATT]/CD/ATT, 180 SPD after Speed Tower, 85% CR, balance of ATT/CD, attack artifacts

• Can reuse some of the free +15 vamp runes from ?farmer as a base, slot 2 should be switched to speed

• Focusing more on ATT/CD from runes can allow you to use HP artifacts so she's not too squishy still for faimon farming

• Hraesvelg - [SPD-ATT]/CD/[ATT-HP], 90k eHP, fastest DD, 70+ CR, balance of ATK/CD)

• Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 140 SPD, 100% CR, balance of ATK/CD and stats needed for ?gbah , NOT on violent

• Twins - see Damage Dealer below

• if using talia lead, CR can drop to 76%

• **Damage Dealers **- ATT/CD/ATT 140+ spd, 100% CR

• Minimum of +200% attack and 170 CD, Artifacts (ATT/ATT)

• Ardella only needs 75% CR due to passive to reach 100% CR

[hard cipher]

this isnt rift beats..

[north karma]

wait

u are right

huh

where is sr5 frontline stats

[north karma]

wait where is that?

[hard cipher]

u quite literally click on the hyperlink in the sr5 command

[north karma]

?sr5

[summer spade]

Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

• First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: ⁠#1166120830921621504 message

• If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

[north karma]

oh

I didn't saw that sry

I only saw the picture

Frontline: 220k eHP, with at least 1500 def after lead and towers
Backline: 120k eHP (yes this means that your squishy DD like Ardella may need a slot 2 or slot 6 HP% main rune)

Healers/cleansers should have at least 200 speed, the more the better. They will benefit from 100 res and Vio, although neither are absolutely necessary. If you choose to get res, go for 100 or don't bother with any at all. If your cleanser has exactly 200 speed, no res, and is not on vio, then it is NOT meeting the stat guidelines.

Vio is not as helpful on other units, but won't hurt either. Forcing Vio at the cost of stats is always detrimental though.

It's ok if your damage dealers are not 100 CR. It's a good goal to aim for but since you have sustain, you're only look for average damage output and a missed crit won't kill you. 150-160 speed is enough for most damage dealers.
found it

[north karma]

is this 220kehp after leader skill?

oh wait mb didn't read sceond part

[snow tendon]

191700 ehp. Deffbroken: 81450 ehp.

[north karma]

do u know if brandia is worth devilmon?

?devilmon

[summer spade]

For New Players

• Veromos > Spectra 2A > Vigor 2A > Raoq 2A
• Galleon if used on your gbah team (S1 and s3)
• Save the rest of your devilmon until #guides is finished and you are ready to start PvP

✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning ASAP (for example, galleon for 100% harmful effect rate on S3). For more information about this, check the 4* skillup part of #1048719420870107227 .

[hard cipher]

no

[north karma]

also save brandia dupe?

[hard cipher]

can be crystaled

dupes are mostly for siege

[north karma]

gotcha, I wait for now then

also fedora build is 220k ehp with 1500 def right?

I can't find if he needs acc or smth

[hard cipher]

and also cleanser/healer stats

since he's a frontline unit and a cleanser

[north karma]

gotcha

[north karma]

how about acc

[hard cipher]

?acc

[summer spade]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[north karma]

I meant does fodora need acc

[snow tendon]

Fedora (Water Death Knight)

Wikia

1. Deadly Blow

Disturbs the target's HP recovery for 2 turns with a 50% chance with an attack that increases its damage according to your MAX HP.

Levels

Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%

Multiplier

1.4*{ATK} + 0.2*{MAX HP}

2. Check and Destroy

Attacks the enemy 2 times and weakens the Attack Power and the Defense for 2 turns with a 75% chance with each attack. This attack will deal more damage according to your MAX HP. (Reusable in 2 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

{ATK} + 0.14*{MAX HP} x2

3. Decline

Removes harmful effects granted on all allies and grants Endure effect for 1 turn. In addition, grants Immunity and HP recovery effect for 2 turns. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1

provided by SWARFARM

[north karma]

is raids rift raids

[hard cipher]

well its not rift beasts

and do u want him to apply his heal block and att/def breaks?

[north karma]

ye that should be goood

[north karma]

so 15% for rift raids?

[north karma]

wait I just realised fedora and bella have exact same build then right?

[hard cipher]

bellla is just considered a tank

for this

[north karma]

huh I thought he was a support too

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Belladeon

#1 Energy,Swift

SPD, DEF%, HP%

HP: 27456
DEF: 1658
ATK: 648
SPD: 247
CR: 38%
CD: 54%
ACC: 19%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 190627
Effcy: 78.82%

#2 Energy,Swift

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 27065
DEF: 1793
ATK: 649
SPD: 238
CR: 42%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 25%
E.HP: 200700
Effcy: 78.51%

#3 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 32394
DEF: 1518
ATK: 804
SPD: 208
CR: 46%
CD: 73%
ACC: 27%
RES: 22%
E.HP: 209038
Effcy: 85.77%

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[north karma]

is the 238 speed build good enough?

if I put 2 hp artefacts

[hard cipher]

dont need to make him that fast

[north karma]

but where ddoes the other stats go

I also gave him 15% acc

so land his s1

idk if that's needed

or should I build other frontliners first?

[hard cipher]

doesnt really need "more"

[north karma]

I see I build other frontlienrs first then

who is the most stats hungry of my sr5 team?

balegyr is in the empty sopt

[hard cipher]

fran/vero

[north karma]

fedora prob

oh right but I built them alr

[north karma]

after that?

[hard cipher]

then just build yr other frontliners then

[north karma]

fedora first I think

[hard cipher]

sure

[north karma]

is darion and lulu considered healers?

darioon prob not

but idk if u want that 15% acc

[hard cipher]

no but he does want to be about 180 spd while having frontline stats

lulu is a frontline/cleanser

[north karma]

oh I do fedora lulu at same time then

[hard cipher]

bella is just frontline

[north karma]

wait how do I know who wants the 15% acc

[north karma]

healers/cleansers doesn't explicitly need it

[hard cipher]

they have debuffs, why not just give them 15% acc

[north karma]

I see so bella fedora darion lulu all wants the acc right?

[hard cipher]

if they wouldnt typically need more for someplace else

lulu doesnt debuff

[north karma]

not lulu

ye mb

[north karma]

hoow about the dd?

they want the 15% acc too?

[hard cipher]

would worry about other stats first

[north karma]

ye I realised lingling was insane stat hungry

it's like insane

[hard cipher]

15% acc is just 1 acc roll on a rune

[north karma]

240 speed cd att 120k ehp etc

[hard cipher]

u didnt read the footnotes of ?sfah

[north karma]

oh

?sfah

[summer spade]

Steel Fortress Abyss (Hard)

• Teams and Turn Order:

1. Ling ling > Loren > Fran (L) > 2aRaoq > 2aKro (1:00-1:30)

• After PVE Teams

2. Ling ling > Lushen (L) > Loren > Fran > Brandia/2aKro (45-50 seconds)
3. Ling ling > Lushen > Loren > Eirgar (L) > Brandia (35-40 seconds)

• Requirements:

• Ling ling: SPD/(CR/CD)/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 240+ cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• Fran: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd

• Loren: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 239+ cmb spd, 45% acc

• 2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• 2aKro/Brandia: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd

• Eirgar: SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• Lushen: ATT/CD/ATT, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, Must 1 shot waves without attack buff

• Other Info:

• Monsters with same cmb spd requirements, see turn order above

• Artifacts used depends on what the monster needs, EHP (hp/def) or DMG (att)

• Ling should be on some sort of dmg build, CD is ideal while CR works as well

• For team 1, Ling ling can move 3rd if still used in rift beasts and sr5 to give her more dmg

• For team 3, Loren can be slower than Eirgar if it fit with your other teams

[north karma]

ahh I can make her slower

[hard cipher]

if someting is mentioned in a command, its a good bet that its important

so should be reading ALL of it

[north karma]

ye so everryone that debuffs right? so brandia fire harpu konamiya ardella all wants the 15% acc right?

[hard cipher]

what debuffs does kona have?

[north karma]

stun right?

[hard cipher]

can u stun the rift raids boss?

[north karma]

oh

[hard cipher]

can u stun any boss

[north karma]

that would be realy weird

so probaly no

[hard cipher]

indeed

[north karma]

doI treat fire harpu as suppoort/cleanser?

I think yes right

same for konamiya

[hard cipher]

u mean cleanser/backline

then yes

[north karma]

ye

okay wait I will first do the backline then

[hard cipher]

id do frontline first

more demanding in stats

[north karma]

oh ookay wawit I ddo froont first then

[delicate dove]

Vero, fran

He said above

Harder to rune

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fedora

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 28252
DEF: 1722
ATK: 836
SPD: 225
CR: 44%
CD: 61%
ACC: 36%
RES: 32%
E.HP: 202482
Effcy: 81.50%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 32041
DEF: 1515
ATK: 916
SPD: 206
CR: 46%
CD: 83%
ACC: 39%
RES: 35%
E.HP: 206424
Effcy: 85.72%

#3 (Current)

HP: 9885
DEF: 659
ATK: 659
SPD: 101
CR: 15%
CD: 50%
ACC: 25%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 34068
Effcy: 0.00%

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Here are your builds.

Fedora

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 28252
DEF: 1722
ATK: 836
SPD: 225
CR: 44%
CD: 61%
ACC: 36%
RES: 32%
E.HP: 202482
Effcy: 81.50%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, HP%

HP: 32041
DEF: 1515
ATK: 916
SPD: 206
CR: 46%
CD: 83%
ACC: 39%
RES: 35%
E.HP: 206424
Effcy: 85.72%

#3 (Current)

HP: 9885
DEF: 659
ATK: 659
SPD: 101
CR: 15%
CD: 50%
ACC: 25%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 34068
Effcy: 0.00%

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[north karma]

do u know if 225 speed is fast enough>

I dumped all my leftover stat into speed

[hard cipher]

none of these are 100% res since they arent vio

[north karma]

oh wait I forgot the 100 res

wait

[hard cipher]

then 200+ spd

so u have

220k ehp, 1500 total def, 200+ spd and vio/ 200+ spd and 100% res

[north karma]

gotcha, how much leaderskill hp% or def% did I get so I can calculate how much ehp I got to have before

[hard cipher]

whats vero's lead, whats fedora's lead

[north karma]

I get both lead or only 1?

[hard cipher]

both

[north karma]

what the hell

thats alot

[hard cipher]

so u have 44% hp from vero and 20% ? def from fedora

off their base stats

[north karma]

vero is 33%

fedora 25%

but say like

uhm

[hard cipher]

there u go

[snow tendon]

Fedora (Water Death Knight)

Wikia

Base

HP: 9885 — DEF: 659
ATK: 659 — SPD: 101
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 25 — RES: 15

Info

Type: Support
Stars: 5
Devils: 11
Farmable: GS

Awaken

From: Death Knight

Lead

Increase the Defense of ally monsters by 25%

provided by SWARFARM

142250 ehp. Deffbroken: 62625 ehp.

[north karma]

oh wait

uhm

[snow tendon]

159750 ehp. Deffbroken: 67875 ehp.

[hard cipher]

so basically 3300 hp and 175 def?

[snow tendon]

191700 ehp. Deffbroken: 81450 ehp.

[hard cipher]

of added stats

[north karma]

wait leader is of base stats?

[hard cipher]

yes

[north karma]

oh

xd

nvm then it's not that much but still not bad

[snow tendon]

248150 ehp. Deffbroken: 102375 ehp.

[north karma]

so is it preferable to get over 220k ehp or just dump litteraly everything into speed when u got the requirements

or a combination 230k ehp + dump rest into speed

[hard cipher]

more spd isnt really going to save you

[snow tendon]

251295 ehp. Deffbroken: 101722 ehp.

Here are your builds.

Fedora

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, RES

HP: 25918
DEF: 1795
ATK: 836
SPD: 203
CR: 30%
CD: 70%
ACC: 25%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 192376
Effcy: 82.77%

#2 Swift,Energy

DEF%, HP%, RES

HP: 30324
DEF: 1485
ATK: 883
SPD: 202
CR: 32%
CD: 66%
ACC: 30%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 192178
Effcy: 83.68%

#3 Energy,Swift

DEF%, HP%, RES

HP: 29707
DEF: 1538
ATK: 870
SPD: 201
CR: 23%
CD: 50%
ACC: 35%
RES: 107%
E.HP: 193778
Effcy: 80.59%

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[north karma]

these are my current ones idk if it's too slow

[hard cipher]

all relatively the same

[north karma]

wait let me check

does this even reach 220k ehp

[hard cipher]

they should

unless he already has artifacts on im

[snow tendon]

243680 ehp. Deffbroken: 98640 ehp.

[north karma]

it's without artefact

[snow tendon]

233970 ehp. Deffbroken: 96525 ehp.

[north karma]

ye it should be able to reach it

[hard cipher]

correct

[north karma]

does the 20% crit rule

also apply btw

[hard cipher]

no

though its just wasted stat

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fedora

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, HP%, RES

HP: 30324
DEF: 1485
ATK: 883
SPD: 202
CR: 32%
CD: 66%
ACC: 30%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 192178
Effcy: 83.68%

#2 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, RES

HP: 25918
DEF: 1795
ATK: 836
SPD: 203
CR: 30%
CD: 70%
ACC: 25%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 192376
Effcy: 82.77%

#3 Energy,Swift

DEF%, HP%, RES

HP: 29707
DEF: 1538
ATK: 870
SPD: 201
CR: 23%
CD: 50%
ACC: 35%
RES: 107%
E.HP: 193778
Effcy: 80.59%

#4 Energy,Swift

DEF%, HP%, RES

HP: 28871
DEF: 1604
ATK: 870
SPD: 204
CR: 19%
CD: 54%
ACC: 30%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 194994
Effcy: 80.04%

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[north karma]

wait I think I found a better one

204 speed and highest ehp

thats the best right?

[hard cipher]

minimal change

[north karma]

ye true

[hard cipher]

so 3 or 4

[north karma]

uhh but what is so good about 3

I still gotta put 2 artefacts

[hard cipher]

there isnt really a difference between the 2

[north karma]

I see I will prob c hoose 4 then

[snow tendon]

212700 ehp. Deffbroken: 87750 ehp.

210870 ehp. Deffbroken: 89595 ehp.

212310 ehp. Deffbroken: 88830 ehp.

[north karma]

prob 2 def artefcts

I do lulu and friends now next

lulu and friends I just copy fedora without the 15% acc

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Lulu and Friends (2A)

#1 Swift,Energy

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 27113
DEF: 1810
ATK: 902
SPD: 202
CR: 21%
CD: 60%
ACC: 8%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 202669
Effcy: 82.78%

#2 Swift,Energy

SPD, DEF%, HP%

HP: 29827
DEF: 1506
ATK: 990
SPD: 202
CR: 42%
CD: 54%
ACC: 15%
RES: 105%
E.HP: 191220
Effcy: 86.64%

#3 Swift,Energy

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 27314
DEF: 1667
ATK: 951
SPD: 214
CR: 32%
CD: 54%
ACC: 0%
RES: 105%
E.HP: 190501
Effcy: 83.77%

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[north karma]

214 speed is best right?

or the 202k ehp

[hard cipher]

#3 seems fine

[delicate dove]

Ace, would 209 speed tick make a diff here?

[north karma]

gootcha

[hard cipher]

?ticks

[summer spade]

Speed - Ticks to reach 100% ATB

Combat speed 477 = 3 Ticks
Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks
Combat speed 286 = 5 Ticks
Combat speed 239 = 6 Ticks
Combat speed 205 = 7 Ticks
Combat speed 179 = 8 Ticks

[delicate dove]

205

[hard cipher]

im assuming no spd skill is included

either way can always grind to it for most of these

later on

[north karma]

does bella and darion take the same build as fedora?

oh wait they are tanks right?

so no speed needed no res needed?

[hard cipher]

they still want spd

[north karma]

uh 200?

[hard cipher]

ya

[north karma]

so 200 speed 220k ehp that';s it?

and 15% acc?

[hard cipher]

though darion can drop down to 180

220k ehp, 15% acc

[north karma]

gotcha and bella stays at 200 speed, but both don't want res?

what I do with all the extra stats dump it into ehp or speed?

[delicate dove]

Dont need res

[north karma]

extra speed on bella is that bad/

[hard cipher]

sometimes

u just dont need to increase there stats more than what u need to

[north karma]

I see

[hard cipher]

though darion can always use more hp

due to his passive

[north karma]

but idk how to ask for a less well built in swop

[north karma]

I will do darion first then

or bella first?

[hard cipher]

either or

although

[north karma]

wait so bella u realy want it to be between 200-210 speed?

too much more might mess it up?

[hard cipher]

could probably yr kona first since wants res

[north karma]

ooh that's a good one

how about fire harpu and shannon?

[hard cipher]

need less stats, can be done after

yr frontliners

[north karma]

okay I do kona now

what stats he needs?

[hard cipher]

backline/cleanser

[north karma]

let me copy paste it back:
Frontline: 220k eHP, with at least 1500 def after lead and towers
Backline: 120k eHP (yes this means that your squishy DD like Ardella may need a slot 2 or slot 6 HP% main rune)

Healers/cleansers should have at least 200 speed, the more the better. They will benefit from 100 res and Vio, although neither are absolutely necessary. If you choose to get res, go for 100 or don't bother with any at all. If your cleanser has exactly 200 speed, no res, and is not on vio, then it is NOT meeting the stat guidelines.

so I don't have to scroll

120k ehp + 200 speed + 100 res

[hard cipher]

can do the same actually for colleen too

[north karma]

exactly the same?

[hard cipher]

yes

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Konamiya

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, RES

HP: 29053
DEF: 1042
ATK: 510
SPD: 203
CR: 33%
CD: 61%
ACC: 15%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 139076
Effcy: 81.03%

#2 Energy,Swift

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 27399
DEF: 948
ATK: 584
SPD: 204
CR: 43%
CD: 73%
ACC: 27%
RES: 105%
E.HP: 122144
Effcy: 85.93%

#3 Swift,Energy

SPD, HP%, RES

HP: 29032
DEF: 871
ATK: 510
SPD: 224
CR: 24%
CD: 56%
ACC: 29%
RES: 100%
E.HP: 121600
Effcy: 79.24%

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[north karma]

I think #3 right?

I could do a combination and get more ehp

[hard cipher]

yes, can throw 2 def arti's on that

[delicate dove]

Coleen could use 15 acc too

[hard cipher]

yep

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Konamiya

#1 Swift,Energy

SPD, HP%, RES

HP: 29032
DEF: 871
ATK: 510
SPD: 224
CR: 24%
CD: 56%
ACC: 29%
RES: 100%
E.HP: 121600
Effcy: 79.24%

#2 Swift,Energy

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 25369
DEF: 1139
ATK: 526
SPD: 215
CR: 24%
CD: 54%
ACC: 5%
RES: 102%
E.HP: 130054
Effcy: 78.51%

#3 Swift,Energy

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 27505
DEF: 1056
ATK: 526
SPD: 208
CR: 30%
CD: 50%
ACC: 20%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 133014
Effcy: 80.08%

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[north karma]

are any oof these better?

[hard cipher]

id still go with 1 i think, can possibly use as is for ao later on

[north karma]

gotcha

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Konamiya

#1 Energy,Swift

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 25551
DEF: 1098
ATK: 594
SPD: 209
CR: 28%
CD: 79%
ACC: 32%
RES: 132%
E.HP: 127320
Effcy: 85.26%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, RES

HP: 31662
DEF: 1129
ATK: 544
SPD: 203
CR: 33%
CD: 61%
ACC: 15%
RES: 103%
E.HP: 161207
Effcy: 81.03%

#3 Swift,Energy

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 23940
DEF: 1143
ATK: 544
SPD: 238
CR: 28%
CD: 56%
ACC: 29%
RES: 100%
E.HP: 123063
Effcy: 79.36%

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[north karma]

wait i did it wrong, I forgot too level him in swop

tthese are the correct stats

go with #3 right?

[hard cipher]

3

btw u can set runes to auto +15 when shown

bottom right corner (actual/+12/+15)

this shows the main stats as if they were (X)

[north karma]

ye, that is a good one, I already did it tho. it is realy helpful to do it.

is shannon also simialir to konomiya

and colleen?

[hard cipher]

nothing so fancy

spd, ehp, acc

[north karma]

is this correct order?

these are last 5

[hard cipher]

yes u should rune darion/bella before worrying shannon

brandia/ardella doesnt matter

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Harpu (Fire) (2A)

#1 Energy,Swift

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 24711
DEF: 1263
ATK: 1049
SPD: 230
CR: 38%
CD: 79%
ACC: 32%
RES: 125%
E.HP: 137405
Effcy: 87.07%

#2 Swift,Energy

SPD, HP%, RES

HP: 29771
DEF: 882
ATK: 880
SPD: 259
CR: 34%
CD: 62%
ACC: 31%
RES: 106%
E.HP: 125842
Effcy: 80.18%

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[north karma]

I think #2

[hard cipher]

doesnt need to be so fast

[north karma]

ye I did brandia before shannon since they might be stat hungry

[north karma]

oh

is #1 too fast?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Harpu (Fire) (2A)

#1 Swift,Energy

SPD, DEF%, HP%

HP: 30858
DEF: 1580
ATK: 834
SPD: 204
CR: 21%
CD: 50%
ACC: 20%
RES: 101%
E.HP: 205822
Effcy: 78.95%

#2 Energy,Swift

SPD, DEF%, RES

HP: 24711
DEF: 1263
ATK: 1049
SPD: 230
CR: 38%
CD: 79%
ACC: 32%
RES: 125%
E.HP: 137405
Effcy: 87.07%

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[hard cipher]

closer to 200

[north karma]

or I can just take #1 here

204 speed is that one fine?

[hard cipher]

yes

[north karma]

a backline too tanky can that be bad>

[hard cipher]

thats fine

[north karma]

I was worried it might stall the fights if the fight is lost

but I guess it should still be fijne

well most figh tshould be won anyways

[north karma]

do I still take def artefacts or att?

[hard cipher]

doesnt matter

[north karma]

if I remember correctly bella was 220kehp 200 speed 15% acc
darion was the same 220kehp 180 speed 15% acc dump rest into hp for his passive

bella also doesn't want to be too fast so dump rest into ehp too right?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Belladeon

#1 Swift,Energy

HP%, HP%, DEF%

HP: 31049
DEF: 1545
ATK: 632
SPD: 228
CR: 20%
CD: 68%
ACC: 22%
RES: 29%
E.HP: 203293
Effcy: 77.24%

#2 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 27008
DEF: 1798
ATK: 694
SPD: 204
CR: 42%
CD: 80%
ACC: 41%
RES: 41%
E.HP: 200750
Effcy: 84.71%

#3 Swift,Energy

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 29124
DEF: 1937
ATK: 632
SPD: 202
CR: 28%
CD: 72%
ACC: 15%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 230647
Effcy: 77.92%

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[north karma]

either 2 or 3

prob 3

[hard cipher]

sure

[north karma]

since 3 has like 30k ehp moore

it guarantees the 220k ehp benchmark

well 2 has more dmdg but idk, it's not like he is gnna do dmg

[hard cipher]

correct

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Darion

#1 Energy,Swift

DEF%, HP%, HP%

HP: 37186
DEF: 1301
ATK: 730
SPD: 180
CR: 48%
CD: 56%
ACC: 43%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 211718
Effcy: 78.11%

#2 Energy,Swift

HP%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 32817
DEF: 1555
ATK: 924
SPD: 180
CR: 28%
CD: 59%
ACC: 33%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 216017
Effcy: 79.31%

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[north karma]

prob 1

[hard cipher]

ya

[north karma]

brandia ardella are both dd so I assume 120k ehp 15% acc idk about speed but dump rest into dmg?

[north karma]

is this correct?

[hard cipher]

150-160

[north karma]

gotcha

[hard cipher]

ardella only needs 75% CR as well

[north karma]

and shannon btw

[north karma]

is shannon just 120k ehp 200 speed 15% acc?

[hard cipher]

45% acc

[north karma]

and then dump rest into ehp right?

[hard cipher]

dont need to go much over recommended

[north karma]

for shannoon it can be bad?

[hard cipher]

can do 20% CR or less as well but other than that, dont need much more

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Shannon

#1 Swift,Energy

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 16307
DEF: 1898
ATK: 822
SPD: 223
CR: 19%
CD: 66%
ACC: 45%
RES: 33%
E.HP: 126917
Effcy: 79.62%

#2 Swift,Energy

DEF%, HP%, HP%

HP: 27504
DEF: 1367
ATK: 739
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 81%
ACC: 47%
RES: 34%
E.HP: 162947
Effcy: 81.05%

#3 Energy,Swift

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 18387
DEF: 1809
ATK: 772
SPD: 201
CR: 19%
CD: 96%
ACC: 46%
RES: 58%
E.HP: 137378
Effcy: 83.90%

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[north karma]

what would be best?

[hard cipher]

she 6 star or no?

[north karma]

ye 6 star

lvl 40

not 2a

[hard cipher]

then can do 3 and throw 2 hp arti's on her

[north karma]

wait is shannon 2a needed?

[hard cipher]

no

[north karma]

what was the plan to get balgeyr btw

[hard cipher]

?

[north karma]

to beat raid lvl 3

[hard cipher]

u should be able to do it with what you have already runed

[north karma]

but 1 team 1 has member less

[hard cipher]

shouldnt matter

[north karma]

wait middle was fran leader right?

[hard cipher]

loren

[north karma]

ah oaky

[north karma]

who should replace balegyr for time being, vigor? I can't start wwithout choosing a person

[hard cipher]

just throw anyone there

[north karma]

I try spectra then

1 and 2 are realy easy

I do 3 now

[north karma]

wait I forgot is balegyr also stat hungry?

oh lol I realy did it easily

[hard cipher]

no more stat hungry than any other dmg dealer

[north karma]

same as brandia?

[hard cipher]

120k ehp, 150-160 ehp, 100% CR, rest into att/CD

[north karma]

no acc?

[hard cipher]

no debuffs

[north karma]

ah makes sense

Eirgar: SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
this should be correct I think

[hard cipher]

yes

[north karma]

at #1266435499350823014 do u know what the stat requirements are for dhomie. is it stat hungry?

[hard cipher]

not important till you finish all of #guides

[north karma]

I did finish step 2

[north karma]

so that means he is stat hungry right?

[north karma]

I can't find nbah team build

?nbah

[summer spade]

Necro Abyss Hard

• Best team: Abigail(L) > 2aIcaru > 2aRaoq > Astar > 2aShamann (average 1 minute)

• Other teams: Just a examples

• Fran + 2aIcaru + 2aRaoq + 2 damage dealers

• Conditions

• Boss focus: Midboss, Imprisoned Soul > Boss

• Nbah boss takes the monster with the highest attack at the start of the fight and applies a 3 hit shield

• Combat Speed is caped and Attack Bar Manipulation skills do NOT work at the boss wave

• Requirements

• Supports: (Fran/2aIcaru) 100K+ EHP, 35% acc faster than 169 cmb spd

• Damage Dealers:100k EHP, damage dealers 100% CR, faster than 169 cmb spd, 35% acc if they have debuffs (slow, att/def break)

• Vio is ideal but not needed, Ideal mon to try to get on Vio are Fran and Abigail first

• Astar does NOT need vamp

• Astar and 2aShamann dont have a min cmb spd requirement

• 2aIcaru needs 3301 def to bring 3 monsters for team up and 35 acc

• Yes, you can awaken your Abigail

• Commonly used monsters: from best to worst

• Premium monsters: Abigail > Scarlett (unawakened), Astar

• F2p monsters: 2aShamann, Xiao Lin/Lingling

• Make sure to go to the NBAH section in the Beginner Playthrough located in #1048681073502068917 before asking for help in #1047269577614164098

[north karma]

abigail shamann build especially

rest is built.

[wintry trout]

Well

Let's use our brains here

Is Abigail/Shamann Support or Damage dealers

[north karma]

damage dealers.

[north karma]

I have 1 more question, what beginner monster subjugation can Imake and what beginner lab teams can i make. monster subjugation I think lapis astar but idk.

[queen rune]

Discussed in beginner playthrough in #1048681073502068917

[north karma]

are u sure? I think I did read it tho.

[north karma]

also can I see ur guild rival teams. I assume it's mostly aoe dmg dealers right?

[delicate dove]

#update-theorycrafting

[north karma]

when I do ?sfah it isn't saying what the focus order is

[delicate dove]

Straight boss

[north karma]

I can't find it

[queen rune]

There’s a thread for lab in #update-theorycrafting

There’s a section on sub in the playthrough

[north karma]

I meant a beginenr friendly monster subjugation and lab team btw. with the mons I currently have

[north karma]

I thought the rune requirements were insanely high. dhomie right?

[delicate dove]

Not insanely high
Finish #guides first

[north karma]

I finished all step 2

[queen rune]

Use whatever you have built for pve up to this point

[north karma]

but can I see ur monster subjugation lab team?

[queen rune]

Think about which mons you have built work on which states

No

Read the material and put in some effort

Stop asking for shortcuts

[north karma]

I am reading all the materials, which material did I not read yet?

[queen rune]

You can’t build my teams anyway

You’re telling me you don’t know what to use for beginner sub and that you read the playthrough. Jx specifically talks about it

I can guarantee it

[north karma]

realy I am gonna go back to it now

[queen rune]

So if you don’t know what it says. You need to reread

[north karma]

I litterlay couldn't find it

the 2024 playthrough right?

also am I able to build ur guild rival battle team?

[queen rune]

You must be the fastest reader on earth

Use 2 random siege cleaves. It’s the easiest content in the game

[delicate dove]

Read beginner pvp, use ur pve mons

[north karma]

where casn I find all the siege cleaves combo

[north karma]

what kind of stats do I have to think about?

[delicate dove]

U need to understand the logic, dont need people tellin u their comps

Once u understand logic ull be able to identify weak oponents and assemble good comps (with ur pve mons) to counter them

[north karma]

I understand like most of the pve monsters used but not all pvp monsters yet since I haven't used them

[delicate dove]

Post about it on #update-theorycrafting

Make sure u really finished #guides

Otherwise ull just waste ur time

[delicate dove]

U discussed this with ace yesterday, some are dd, some are supps, others bruise, tanks, strippers, debuffers, wtv

[north karma]

I meant the build not the team, I just want to take a look at it see how high the requirements are if it is out of my reach I won't build it. and I did finish #guides step 2

[delicate dove]

Once again, understand logic of team composition, read habilities, identify threats

[delicate dove]

For lab hell, basically toall requirements
Topic of update theorycraftin

[north karma]

and for monster subjugation?

[delicate dove]

U didnt really read 2024 beginner playthrough...

[north karma]

oh I did ctrl+ F

[delicate dove]

Should read carefully, material/guides has 95%+ of the answers u asked on this thread
Could have saved u some time

Learnin op

[north karma]

btw using these differnet DD are they considred a faster team or why are they mentioned actually?

and 1 last question why not use riley instead of fran most of the times? riley isn't mentioned anywhere in the guides.

[delicate dove]

U dont need riley for pve
Fran easier to skill up and is used in all rift beasts and toan toah

U'd just waste resources building riley

[north karma]

well u littearly get a free max skillup riley no?

also max awakend/leveled right?

[delicate dove]

Not when guide was written

[north karma]

so it's barely any resoources I think

oh

actually that makes sense

[delicate dove]

And fran probably more versatille

[north karma]

since then riley was not given for free.

[north karma]

but riley is also used in other aspects tho

[delicate dove]

Just for pvp and some toall content

People dont use riley in dungeons

Fran more versatille
Sfah, toan, toah, all rifts...

[north karma]

well I checked rifts can also be used by riley

except fire

[delicate dove]

And when event ends, people wont get riley anymore

Why would u build a mon that u need to invest more, use less, to get the same result?

Guides are meant to be effective

[north karma]

I just thought u get it for free and they felt like doing the same job

[delicate dove]

.

[north karma]

isn't there another guide for people who started this event (not me btw)

[delicate dove]

Idk

Guides are designed by people that understand a lot

And put real effort to be effective

[somber trout]

You're thinking about this the wrong way.

The guides are not written haphazardly. They are the result of careful forethought and experience with the game. They don't include Riley not because they don't know about her or because she's hard to obtain. They do not include Riley because she is worse than Fran for PvE in every instance.

There isn't a single instance in all of PvE where Riley would overshadow Fran wherever she is picked.

The basic idea is this:

Fran - ATK break, ATB pushback, 2 heals that scale off of ATK, and immunity

Riley - 3 heals, one of which requires her getting hit or gaining a turn to use, immunity, and ATK buff.

Fran's CC alone is way more useful for PvE.

[north karma]

btw for nbah I assume u first attack the monsters before boss right?

[delicate dove]

I thought they were simillar too, ty for clarifyin
Atk break, atb pushback op

[north karma]

mid boss u just attack boss

[somber trout]

Yes. Kill the stolen monster then focus the boss again.

[somber trout]

Yes. Mid boss you just focus straight boss.

[north karma]

ye thanks for clarifying

[somber trout]

As a small aside, Fran's element also allows her to be more effective as a CC. She is light, meaning she does not have element disadvantage against any monster. Therefore her CC is pretty reliable and consistent.

[delicate dove]

Yeah, thought about that
And knew atb break op
But didnt know atb pushback was way more useful

And didnt consider that for pve u dont need 3 heals hhaha

Ty, man

[north karma]

do u also know where I can find hraes build for monster subjugation

[somber trout]

Have you finished #guides ?

[north karma]

ye step 2

[north karma]

dragon is just f ocus boss rioght?

[delicate dove]

Y

Assume focus boss, if not stated otherwise

[somber trout]

Okay. Then start reading through #1048719420870107227 . You'll find a Hraesvelg build in there.

[somber trout]

Yes. Boss focus.

[north karma]

also for the toa stage with 5 monkeys

who I focus

they perma stun

[somber trout]

Show your builds.

[north karma]

nvm manged to do it, I had to manual for a couple moves and it worked

[north karma]

how do I doo the orion stage

[somber trout]

Show your builds.

?statshare

[summer spade]

When sharing monster stats, take a screenshot from the monster storage building rather than the monster menu. This lets you show stats, rune sets, and skillups all in 1 image.
https://imgur.com/bmhiJGs

[north karma]

all my monsters/

[somber trout]

The ones you're using for ToA.

Specifically for this stage.

[north karma]

ah that makes it lots easier

let me take ss after the battle

[north karma]

nvmn I beat it again, it was realy close tho, 2 units died but after I managed to kill 1 of the wind orion I won

[somber trout]

Share your stats anyway. It is concerning that you are struggling this much on ToA, which is trivial content.

[north karma]

last boss is female btw

[north karma]

that is all right?

between nem rage or blade whats best

[north karma]

if u recommend oother units these are my built ones.

[north karma]

and can u hlep me with this question

[north karma]

at the same time can u maybe recommend toah female team

my plan is veromos fran loren spectra mav

[somber trout]

1.) Vigor and Spectra can both be faster. While they do move faster than Mav, they are still really slow. Their turn cycling will increase safety and damage tremendously.
2.) Fran could use a little more accuracy. Her ATB pushback is helpful. Also if you can get her on Vio it's really helpful for her.
3.) Veromos and Spectra could stand to have higher defense.

These builds are alright, but they can definitely be improved to make it so that you can auto all of ToA.

[somber trout]

That works.

[north karma]

gotcha, thank you for the advice I will note it somewhere

[somber trout]

Up to you. I chose Rage personally, but you can choose whatever you'd like.

[north karma]

I chooose rage too then

[north karma]

alsoo none oof my r unes are grinded btw, I jsut started farming sr5 tdy so that should help right?

[somber trout]

Yes. Farm r5 to grind your runes. That will help. Also make sure to spend time farming some artis. You have a white arti on spectra. You can give him a bit better of one now.

But farm r5 more. You need grinds.

[north karma]

ye I will do that after r5. but I only grind runes which are goood right?

so say about atleast 110 rune score withot gem/grinds? is that a good indicatoor?

[somber trout]

Grind every rune you use on a monster.

If a monster uses it and it is bad, replace it or grind it anyway until you find a better rune.

[north karma]

btw after farming sr5, do I farm for violent runes?

in dba

dbah

I feel like i need them

[north karma]

also it was possible to do toa hell stage 1 right

[somber trout]

You're going to farm whatever dungeon you need. PvE you were setting up the teams, and now that you've completed that, you're going to farm based on what you are missing.

[somber trout]

You should be able to complete ToAL Stage 1 with your ToA team, yes.

[north karma]

what is the most efficient to farm in teh booster event I feel liek it's sr5, since most sets are not used.

[somber trout]

R5 is alright to farm. Rift beasts are good. Honestly though just farm whatever you need. The boosters don't really do anything and it's more important to progress than it is to be hyper efficient when you're just starting out with PvP.

[north karma]

also, I don't know who is gonna win in the predicition event can I copy urs

[somber trout]

I don't know either. I am just guessing.

[north karma]

do the advisors here knowo it?

[somber trout]

This is kind of like asking if someone knows who is going to win the Superbowl or the World Cup. There's no guarantees.

[north karma]

but atm I am litteraly just following the higher percentages votes idk if that's a goood strategy or is there a better one

[north karma]

btw when crafting legend runes in the, do I choose randoom rune set or do I take violent?

[somber trout]

That's what a lot of people do. The increased rewards are minimal. Not like you're going to be missing a ton if you get them all wrong. Just pick whatever you like. You'll be fine.

[north karma]

ye that makes the strategy kinda bad, it's mostly choosing based on populairty instead of who is better.

[north karma]

what I craft here

and the craft legend rune part

[somber trout]

I couldn't tell you. I have no idea what runes you have on your account. I don't know what kinds of runes you need.

This is where you need to start analyzing your account and coming up with things you need based on what you see in game.

There isn't a one size fits all answer to anything in this game.

[north karma]

I know, but should I pick the one where u choose the set and main stat

or just get the legend rune

[somber trout]

They use different materials.

[north karma]

I meant to ask aboout that one, what I choose there

[somber trout]

What do you think? What seems like good options?

[hard cipher]

i think he's already been told

[north karma]

hmm I think choose violent rune b ut it cost 6x more

[north karma]

I was?

[north karma]

also can I know what ur strategy is for the prediction event so I can copy it

[hard cipher]

we're not here to wipe yr ass, yr a big boy and can make choices yrself

[north karma]

I didn't meant it like that, but I never get the prediction event fully correct

[hard cipher]

so

[north karma]

are u sure I have been told about the craftin rune?