#Sr5 what can i do better

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celest cosmos
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Hi guys, getting like 50% wins n loses in sr5 with this team. Is there units i can change up in the team or is it just rune quality?
Just working on Lulu 2a rn for a more reliable cleanse in team 2. And i didnt come around spliting up jamire and the twins into different teams

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jade drift
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Why is so much stuff 5*

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Also no atkb s1 in the mid team

celest cosmos
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Didnt have the resources to 6* everything yet, just limit testing rn. Ok the atkb s1 will come to mid team.

jade drift
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Also are fedora and jamire skilled up?

celest cosmos
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Ardella over loren would work right?

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Fedora wouldnt be a problem as i should have some dupes but jamire not, thats why im planing to put lulu there

jade drift
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And move loren for verd

celest cosmos
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Verd for more twin attacks?

jade drift
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Tho the problem with changing jamire to lulu and ardella for loren would be that youd have no lead

celest cosmos
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True

jade drift
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Well not bad but not good either

celest cosmos
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Oh you say ardella for loren, and loren for verd, now i understood

jade drift
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Use fedora skill ups as 6* evolve

celest cosmos
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Ye surely

jade drift
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Bella should be 6*ed b4 for gbah

celest cosmos
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I also got raviti with skillups, is there anyone i could replace him with?

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Never used him in gbah as i had whomie

jade drift
celest cosmos
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Kk

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What def lead do i use then?

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Nvm

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Raviti himself

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I guess i need to change team 2 pretty much, a combination with eirgar, water twins, lulu + a lead would be what i need to go for then

jade drift
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You could also do lulu in team 1 and raviti team 2

celest cosmos
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Kk

jade drift
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Raviti lead t2 loren t1 lead

celest cosmos
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Kk

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Ty very much

sturdy vector
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just going to put this here #1186446260404752384

celest cosmos
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Any other units i could use to improve the team?

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@sturdy vector thx ^^

celest cosmos
wooden geyser
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it's very simple

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use monsters recommended in the guide

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do not use any monsters not recommended in the guide

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max everything

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come back when you actually tried

celest cosmos
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Thats boring, for me playing the game is not actually following the guide in every aspect to eternity, its just having fun for a bit at least. Thought maybe you could be a little bit creative with some units you pulled that are not in the guide because there is many teams out there, by many people, that are not completely just The Guide.

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Dont understand me wrong, i try to take some advices and work on my teams depending on what your guide tells me and it is very helpful in many aspects. But would like to bring in some differences rather than followijg like a bot

weak pond
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?fun

sullen totemBOT
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This is #1047269577614164098 : We give advice on efficient progress

wooden geyser
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you are of course free to play the game as you wish

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but don't ask for help if you don't want to follow the standard advice

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also, this is a pvp focused game. there is tons of room for creativity in pvp. pve is trivial and solved. there's no fun in being creative in pve. if you disagree, again good for you but you should stay out of this channel

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#off-meta-fun is what you're looking for

sullen totemBOT
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jx9

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SR5, putting it together with examples

If you've been following this guide from the beginning, check out my graphic for a visual summary of suggestions and building this team. It's the same one from the outline that's shown from the very first post of this guide. I've also shared the exact teams I used on this account. Full stats will be shown in a later post, but rough stat guidelines to aim for are:

Frontline: 220k eHP, with at least 1500 def after lead and towers
Backline: 120k eHP (yes this means that your squishy DD like Ardella may need a slot 2 or slot 6 HP% main rune)

Healers/cleansers have the option of being 100 res. They should have at least 200 speed, more won't hurt.

It's ok if your damage dealers are not 100 CR. It's a good goal to aim for but since you have sustain, you're only look for average damage output and a missed crit won't kill you. 150-160 speed is enough for most damage dealers.

You'll want 15 acc on anything that has a debuff. Not hard to get but you may have to work to get it for damage dealers.

Vio is not required on anything. Having Vio won't hurt, but forcing VIo at the cost of stats is detrimental.

You should expect 1:15 - 1:30 runs at the start. Eventually this style of team can go all the way down to 35-40 sec average.

It won't hurt to run a bit of R4 first if you just need a bit extra of stats. You can get a lot of progress really fast with basic grinds on most of your runes.

Note all of the above are just general guidelines and not firm requirements. There's 18 individual monsters each contributing something and everyone is going to have different exact teams and setups. You can always make up for slightly weaker monsters with stronger monsters elsewhere. Watch runs to see how fails occur which should give you an idea of the biggest areas for improvements (for example, if there's a monster that always dies fast, make that monster tankier).

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celest cosmos
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i mean tien qin is on this picture for recommended units

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and i think you just added him into the list here

sullen totemBOT
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jx9

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SR5, continued

2. Cleanser
At least 1 full aoe cleanse is required on each team. Full aoe means that non 2A Lulu doesn't count (only cleanses 2 debuffs), Vero doesn't count (only cleanses 1 and can get oblivioned). Immunity doesn't count because the boss can strip your buffs. 100 res is recommended for these units, but it's not required (and remember as always, res is all or nothing - if you're not going for 100, don't bother with any). Make sure the cleanse skill is max skilled. If you put anything on Vio, this is the monster to put on Vio.
Kona is too good not to build and use, his S3 has only a 3 turn CD and comes with a heal. For your other 2, here are some suggestions: Delphoi, 2A Lulu, 2A Lala, Amarna, XF, Lisa, Anavel, Ariel, Jamire, Raviti, Vela, Fedora.

3. Attack buffer
Colleen is too good not to use for R5 so everyone needs to build her. Fran is a good second one to use. For the 3rd team, Shannon is decent since she comes with other debuffs and you already have her runed (can stay 5* too), but there are some other options to try instead of Shannon if you need the slot to do other things. Those include Riley (healer), Bastet (lead and debuffs), Hraes (damage), or Kahli (damage). This is another slot where you could consider 100 res and Vio, but it's not required.

4. Attack debuffer
This is the most important debuff. If the boss doesn't have atk break on it's very easy for your team to wipe. You'll want a monster with the attack break on S1 for consistency. Colleen and Fran again are a given. If you've followed this guide from the beginning then you should have an Ardella too. This debuff is so important though that you can even consider more, so here are a few other suggestions: Bastet, Douglas, Berandotte/Ken, Coco, Huan, Tien Qin.

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celest cosmos
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cuz i didnt see him before, or its just me being stupid, if so im sorry for asking

wooden geyser
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you can see last edit on the post. hasn't been changed in months

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the guide recommends 40+ different units. raid team only has 18 units. no one is running the exact same team here

celest cosmos
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🫡

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True

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you are right, cant see the last edit, but him being in the team you used is enough to know ^^

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the only 3 units i dont have in my teams from your guide are shannon ardella and darion, i think that shows that i take your advices anyway

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thought you just put in some examples and not just every monster that is possible to put in tho

celest cosmos
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Who do you guys suggest 6* first?

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units at 5* are bella, colleen, raviti and lulu

wooden geyser
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all

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it doesn't matter which one you do first

celest cosmos
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rip gonna take me a few days

vale nest
celest cosmos
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really?

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wait i didnt understand it right

celest cosmos
sturdy vector
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he said go do something else while the x30 is going so it doesnt feel like it takes so long

vale nest
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Yea what ace said idk why i explained it so complicated

celest cosmos
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oh yeah i am obviously gonna do that

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but there sadly isnt much to do after having the x30 going, kinda capped on pvp content, and toa's are done already. soo

vale nest
celest cosmos
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All good, thats what im doing too. Still gonna take time tho

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Only have 3.000k mana stones left so im kinda limited rn anyway

vale nest
celest cosmos
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This is how my team looks right now and i have to say it is working almost perfectly fine, there is just 2-3 runs failing out of 30 and it kinda takes a while to beat (1min 10 sec avg.), my right team seems to lack a bit of dmg so i put the new geralt in there just to try out as he has max skillups and good runes just from the event.

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jade drift
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water geralt is not good in r5

celest cosmos
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i also have some of the units mentioned in the guide laying around, which would be
Dmg: xiao lin, ardella, melissa, stella, mihyang
Atk buff: a maxed out hraes, riley, kahli

celest cosmos
jade drift
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also ur missin atk break in middle team no?

celest cosmos
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i mean the eirgar s2 has atk break but yeah could be not up everytime

jade drift
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it needs to be s1

celest cosmos
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oh ok

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and sabrina s2 also

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but i get what you mean

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also i have a 2a darion which i could put somewhere

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i guess i will just swap tien qin and another dmg dealer over geralt to the middle team, and put the twins to the right team

jade drift
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ardella for astar and middle team should be perfectly fine

celest cosmos
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kk

celest cosmos
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what would you consider as a replacement for geralt? is mihyang or hraes fine? cuz i already have them decently runed and 6*.

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the others i would need to build

jade drift
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ok so jx said water geralt is decent

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you could just move him to t2 over astar (for atk break) and put a dd on the right team and should be fine

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and if you are still failing it might be just rune issue

celest cosmos
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ok i will try that, cuz i did what i said earlier and put mihyang into t3 and failed 3/6 instantly

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sadly i skipped the record and couldnt see what happened there so i will try what you said first and put ardella into t3

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i guess mihyang isnt consistent enough cuz she has no skillups idk

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also i think i will put darion into t1 over jamire as lulu always casts her cleanse after jamire uses his cleanse and that kinda feels like a waste

trail rover
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skillups shouldnt matter that much, so if mihyang is making it fail then she prob doesnt has good runes since she's more of a dd

celest cosmos
celest cosmos
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i would love to have an atk lead over my jamire spd lead but cant figure out who to use

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this is how it looks rn

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trail rover
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you can help by maknig fran faster so she can apply atk break/cycle turns faster, otherwise you can put in a darion to replace vero bc his 20% damage reduction is crazy good

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it's also ok to run r4 for some time to get grinds to improve

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if you have vio with good stats, thats also ideal

celest cosmos
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she has +95 spd from runes rn, and all my towers are maxed

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+vio

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i could put darion over vero, but that would make my leader problem even bigger xd

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could put stella somewhere for the atk lead