RTA specific help for c1-c2 climbing

[upper tapir]

• valantis/giselle/giana/zeratu/celia/tablo/deb

[zealous hamlet]

valantis is a little squishy but those sets probably are fine

imo you want to make sure you have a moore tuned too

and then you can deal with tuning units that fuck juno/hae so you can actually use your lds

[upper tapir]

Getting moore to also be on relevant | will is gonna be pretty hard

he needs to be what, at least +155

Actually ig that doesnt sound insane

ok I didnt think it'd literally be 155

[zealous hamlet]

this with atk artis is probably fine

little low eff but should work

then masha can obviously be much slower

she needs to move behind ur strippers even with lead

[upper tapir]

Masha on vio nem right?

[zealous hamlet]

yes

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and preferably a bit fat? or damaging?

like obviously both a bit, but, yknow

[zealous hamlet]

id run more damage for your comp

[upper tapir]

so a cr slot 4 wouldnt suffice for this probably, huh

[zealous hamlet]

not really no

cr masha makes sense if you want max acc

but junos arent ever res

[upper tapir]

if I use 85 cr as the bare minimum

[zealous hamlet]

yes

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this is sadly the best I get

[zealous hamlet]

thats probably fine

masha is relatively hard to rune

should probably also rune praha

shes p helpful as a pivot sometimes

although idk if you can tune her still

also this is the point where id rune giselle

[upper tapir]

the good thing bout giselle is she has options

Like, I know it gets salted on, but Giselle on Vamp Nem or Vio Nem or Vamp in general can be nutty

also the leeway on masha is 11 speed anyways

so it's not like she can be THATG much faster

this is still doable

6 pts slower than masha

[zealous hamlet]

in a perfect world this would move infront of masha

[upper tapir]

hmm

Okay

oh actually that might be doable

pog (vio will)

[zealous hamlet]

looks good

[upper tapir]

just need to change artis then if she's not relying on cr anymore

there, max s3 acc and def+ eff up

Giselle and moore seem pretty tightly tuned now

So I guess the main issue now is there's only 1 speed lead

Although if we're using Sagar Giselle Valantis maybe Jamire is a pog lead?

[zealous hamlet]

jamire is defo not bad

can do cr if you want on him

[upper tapir]

Question is how fast should he be

[zealous hamlet]

2 options here

either we sekhproof

[upper tapir]

yeah

[zealous hamlet]

and put him in front of shit

or we tune him last

i actually like the infront of shit angle

can be swift even tbh

and on nem preferably

(dont use your best swift here)

rather put those on giana

[upper tapir]

I dont have nem cr/swift cr runes worth using on jamie is the issue

[zealous hamlet]

other units we probably want to rune are: Karnal as bruisery fire cc, Miles as anti juno/vero, Tesa for the same reason

[zealous hamlet]

can also try cd but its probably a little hard

otherwise fuck nem

[upper tapir]

the idea is jamire goes right before sagar right?

[zealous hamlet]

and just go like blade or sth

yes

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and preferavly before Valantis?

[zealous hamlet]

preferably infront of strippers

after that theres like a couple of situational units

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so that's asking to outspeed 290

[zealous hamlet]

like Taor, Rica and Federica

[zealous hamlet]

huh

[upper tapir]

so 150 is all he needs

Valantis is 99+167+24%

[zealous hamlet]

oh with lead

ye

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so jamire "only" meeds a 150 set

[zealous hamlet]

yea

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im not sure if tower speed solves the 3 speed there

[zealous hamlet]

i think with 24 lead its fine

sec

ill swop

also thats a p nice set

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yeah I didnt think I still had this

but the slots are coincidentally perfect

[zealous hamlet]

bad news

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😦

[zealous hamlet]

we need 2 more speed

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we do? rip

305 vs 304

we do

damn

orrrrrr

we solve it that way

[zealous hamlet]

works

[upper tapir]

#tuned

still outspeeds sagar

[zealous hamlet]

yea now we need like

a bunch of counterpicks/supporting units

id defo rune miles and ur swift units now

swifts is probably ethna and giana id assume

[upper tapir]

A big q is, is et-

ok

haha

[zealous hamlet]

and miles just vio shield and tanky with acc

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that's what ethna's on rn

[zealous hamlet]

miles is also a good option into the vero/juno/racunis

okay yea thats not gonna work

you need like

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I know

kek

[zealous hamlet]

1k more atk

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ok so it's not 1k more

[zealous hamlet]

thats prob fine

its not great but it should work

why do u have so much acc lol

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coincidence

[zealous hamlet]

ig at least u land ur s2

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one happens to have it as innate

the other had it gemmed for giana initially

[zealous hamlet]

yea but like

u have 47

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ah

that makes more sense

[upper tapir]

technically this is the other highest atk% I have

but no ancient grinds for it

[zealous hamlet]

yea that needs grinds

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so might as well make s3 land

[zealous hamlet]

and an hp gem

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lol

[zealous hamlet]

its a really nice rune tho

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this hurts me mentally

the atk is a lot cleaner but that 199

[zealous hamlet]

id take the 2 speed here

1350 is fine

you also lose a little hp

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god I hate runing giana

[zealous hamlet]

you dont have to be +200 on giana imo

just gotta outspeed vio units

[upper tapir]

hahahahahahahaha

sorry that was really funny

[zealous hamlet]

+190 can work

[zealous hamlet]

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what?

[zealous hamlet]

suspiciously cut off

at acc

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hahahahahaha

[zealous hamlet]

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ok so I know this isnt ideal

but she is 82 on s3

[zealous hamlet]

its not that bad

tbh

id just run adds anyway

fuck acc

[upper tapir]

my adds arent good enough for that trade-off tbh

[zealous hamlet]

okay fair

[upper tapir]

im waiting for abyss like everyone else

for the att one at least

currently I have her on bomb damage+ and whatever addl I can manage

[zealous hamlet]

dont use bomb damage

that line kinda sucks for everything thats not a pure bomber

you really dont wanna be a 500 per hit giana

[upper tapir]

I have no cloe how much this one would do

I think it's ~1.1k

miles

[zealous hamlet]

good miles

i approve

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im not sure where trhis puts him tuning-wise though

miles is awful to tune

[zealous hamlet]

this outspeeds

ethna

[upper tapir]

yeah it probably does

[zealous hamlet]

thats fine tho

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both shield runes are +27

im kinda happy with them

[zealous hamlet]

now u can rune counterpicks

tesa/taor/federica

probably also need another wind unit somewhere

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The good news is I haven't used my +32 swift rune yet

[zealous hamlet]

oh for tesa

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so Taor can juice on that

[zealous hamlet]

do cr

ye

[upper tapir]

Federica isn't skilled fwiw. I can put her on the priority list (aka devil her when I can) though.

or use the support one gg

so this was the original taor

but he doesnt fit at all into the speed tune now, I think

[zealous hamlet]

yea do

but also

just rune her anyways

shes that good

[zealous hamlet]

yea you want slower with some acc and hp imo

[upper tapir]

some acc you say

That's te "fastest" vio set, just kinda wanted to see what it'd be.

the issue is the cd goes down hard

(I can aslo rune him off vio, though)

This is low HP again

this is the in-between

as for Tesa I can manage this

and federica

[zealous hamlet]

i like this the most

tesa and kass look fine

better would be a little more eff on tesa

but its probably okay

[upper tapir]

you picked the only one where I cant see what the set was

🥲

[zealous hamlet]

the 150 one with less cd but with acc and tankiness

[upper tapir]

@zealous hamlet I forgot a unit when I showed my box

[zealous hamlet]

[upper tapir]

@zealous hamlet bit late for this but thanks a lot for the help

I know pulling Oliver changes things substantially but the runing help (esp stuff like Miles) has helped tremendously

[zealous hamlet]

no worries :)

[upper tapir]

now I just genuinely need a better counter to haegang + juno

seems I run into it like every other game

[zealous hamlet]

i usually take snipe into that

[upper tapir]

tessa goated obviously, but it doesnt help when they use it as like, cc speed contest

[zealous hamlet]

well

sonia

[upper tapir]

yeah sonia nuking hae

WOULD be big lol

[zealous hamlet]

you can try pivoting with rat miles maybe

[upper tapir]

ive been doing that pivot a lot

[zealous hamlet]

yea i think here we pivoted a little early

cause after rat miles

you cant go back into cc really

so you just lose to charlotte shiz

[upper tapir]

yeh it does sorta lock you

I banned shiz and won fwiw

[zealous hamlet]

good ban

who did he ban

[upper tapir]

rat

[zealous hamlet]

ah

yea thats a misban

masha is the ban there imo

[upper tapir]

definitely

but im happy, my last record was like, 1435

[zealous hamlet]

yea ur climbing

[upper tapir]

😄

I cant see a use for lionell though

as much as I think he looks cool

I think I already lack damage to a high degree

[zealous hamlet]

lionel is really tough to use

if you have a maxi hes cool

but we dont

[upper tapir]

lol

I will say, Oliver Moore Giselle Giana Valantis has that "fuck you" vibe

@zealous hamlet ok this is just bullying

[zealous hamlet]

this happens if ur up really good lol

ur right tho this sucks

you cant really win these

[upper tapir]

that was trhe game

[zealous hamlet]

draft isnt bad

but this dude probably just runegaps you p hard

[upper tapir]

banned rat, and managed to snipe the giou, but then he double procced out of oblivion with both MHW and Camilla and Camilla nuked for 16k lol

[zealous hamlet]

yea tesa here is a little fake

u gotta ban rat to get value

and even then

[upper tapir]

I picked tessa with the explicit idea ban rat value ethna

[zealous hamlet]

too many passives to oblivion

[upper tapir]

they banned Giselle obv

[zealous hamlet]

i think ethna sucks into bruisers tbh

[upper tapir]

she one-tapped the giou

[zealous hamlet]

thats good but

she dies immediately afterwards

[upper tapir]

L

[zealous hamlet]

and you lose a giant threat

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I always struggle against

these shizuka/kinki fps

not those specifically but like, the archetype

[zealous hamlet]

you either want to commit cc or comitt bruiser

its really annoying tho yea

[upper tapir]

Comps like that are why I re-runed my feng yan

[zealous hamlet]

ye

[upper tapir]

@zealous hamlet this might be a tad cleaner

[zealous hamlet]

id drop cr on moore for atk if you can

but it looks solid

u mostly want more depth for ur followup units to be closer now

but this can defo get you into p1/p2 prob

[upper tapir]

uh yeah I can swap the moore's cr for atk

same speed (+1 actually)

only unit that isnt runed rn is giselle

who i'd like to run for the sheer forceban

[zealous hamlet]

yea she can be a little slower

personally i like spd cr def/hp

but if you cant do cr4 def4 is fine too

like +140/150 range is fine prob

optimally shed be right behind strips but thats prob not realistic

[upper tapir]

it depends on the set I give her

well no the last part isnt realistic rn

[zealous hamlet]

ye

so id just go for a more efficient build

in 140-150 range

[upper tapir]

well

[zealous hamlet]

why are we doing vamp

isnt vio better

[upper tapir]

ok so

ever since her nerf

vio giselle is 50/50

bc when she procs

she can kill her own invinc

to no benefit

but she can also proc into it

and be divine

[zealous hamlet]

yea ig

[upper tapir]

I can see what vio would be like

with wat I have left

hold on

[zealous hamlet]

maybe check vio and decide on builds

ye

[upper tapir]

why does runesaving cost mana

wtyh

that's the trade-off between vio and vamp

[zealous hamlet]

personally id also do will tbh

but if your nem is better its fine ig

i like the vio slightly more here

[upper tapir]

unironically fastest def % will rune lol

oh wait

[zealous hamlet]

okay keep the nem

this feels worse

although will is really high priority imo, since u just get ccd t1 otherwise

ur slower than core anyway

[upper tapir]

if the idea is Adriana

it's kinda moot anyways if she's outsped