So guys, after the tower changes i maxed them out and i got 100% sr5 and good pc10 sf10 (even tho i'm still looking to study success rate since i've done quite few runs since i'm focussing on grindings) and i'm starting to build teams suggested in the pvp team. The first one i'm looking at is the psama, kona, kabilla and fat lushen. What should the turn order be? kabilla first, then kona/psama?
Second one i'm looking at is Tiana, Galleon, Zaiross and Gany(replacing CP). Turn order should be tiana, galleon/gany, zaiross?
I'm uncertain either if galleon should move before gany as well as if kona should move before psama?
I kinda need to understand turn order before trying to build something.
Gonna wait your responses, tyvm 😄
#Beginner pvp teams
cursive kraken
modest talon
cursive kraken
ok
so only thing i'm looking at building kabilla and kona is their speed right? screw tankiness?
tender citrus
psama doesn't have to be speed tuned to anything
kabilla only cares about speed but tankiness is helpful for cleanup. it's super easy to get the needed speed on kona so you can definitely afford tankiness on him, or even fight sets
focus on one offense at a time but if you want to try the tiana one first
?tianagalleon
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How to Tiana Galleon
Tiana Galleon is currently one of the strongest AOs in the game, being capable of beating many bruiser style offenses. In lower ranks, you use Psamathe lead to contest speed lead AOs.
Set Requirements: Tiana should be on swift. Outside of this, there are no real "requirements" for sets. Will is recommended on Galleon to allow yourself to hit Leo ADs. Galleon should be moved to violent ASAP. CP can be used on any set/lack of - it comes down to preference and what you wish to hit.
Composition examples:
CP/Poseidon (L), Kaki, Tiana, Galleon (Turn order: Tiana, Galleon, Cheongpung/Poseidon, Kaki)
Poseidon (L), CP, Tiana, Galleon (Turn order: Tiana, Galleon, Cheongpung, Poseidon)
For more specifics, feel free to open a thread in #1047269577614164098.
Speed tuning
See ?spdtune . This team will not work if you do not speed tune properly. Speed tuning DOES NOT just mean having monsters move in a certain order.
Accuracy requiring DDs (CP, Poseidon, Charlotte, Zaiross, Liesel)
- Speed tuned, 85% ACC/100% CR
- Rest damage. Usual build is SPD/CDMG/ACC. CRate is also completely fine if you can't meet requirements with CDMG or your highest damage set is on CRate.
Kaki
- Speed tuned
- Rest damage (DEF% helps with bulk also). usual build is ATK/ATK/ATK, or SPD/ATK/ATK if you can't reach speed requirements.
Other DDs
- Speed tuned, 100% CR
- Rest damage. Usual build is ATK/CDMG/ATK or SPD/CDMG/ATK if you can't reach speed requirements.
Tiana
- ~>275 spd BEFORE tower
- Rest damage (CDMG/ATK focus). Usual build is SPD/CDMG/ATK
Galleon
- Speed tuned, 85% ACC
- Rest damage. Usual build: SPD/CRate/ACC or SPD/CDMG/ACC. Galleon should be put on violent as soon as possible.
Here are some examples of monsters that will pair well with Tiana Galleon: https://i.imgur.com/b8R1ikq.png
cursive kraken
mmh ok, i'm not able to hit those requirements, tiana is only able to get to 240spd if i have to build her with cdmg
unless i can give up crit dmg
i have a 275 spd build but with only 150 cdmg
and i don't need spd tuning for this team either?
zaiross accuracy is important for his s2 or s3? trying to see if i have artis
tender citrus
240spd if i have to build her with cdmg
i have a 275 spd build but with only 150 cdmg
did you typo something here
zaiross needs s3 acc
cursive kraken
> 240spd if i have to build her with cdmg
> i have a 275 spd build but with only...
no, why?
the guide says she needs to be 275 total spd before tower calculation
the only build i can give her with 275 total spd is with only 150cdmg
did i missunderstood something?
i'm sorry if i did
tender citrus
is 150 cdmg not "with cdmg" ?
cursive kraken
it is with slot 4 crit dmg
while i had the 240 spd with cdmg on slot 4 but i had 188 crit dmg
but i guess having that much cdmg more is a luxury i can't afford if i don't get her to 275spd
tender citrus
"with cdmg" just means that you are using slot 4 cd
cursive kraken
i'm sorry, i'm not getting you
i meant to say as "with only" cdmg that it is low cdmg
tender citrus
just show builds
cursive kraken
i only have stats on optimizer since i'm afraid of using grinds just like that
and i'm still playing with builds
i'll show you the best i've got so far
Tiana with no artis
Galleon, with no equipped artifacts but i have one with +20% s3 acc
Zaiross, no artis, my bottleneck since no acc, but i have +18% s3
psamathe with no artis, afraid he is too slow :/
they are all spd tuned tho
tender citrus
i was just looking at the tiana and while its weak it does meet the requirement in the tiana section
the requirement is just spd/cd/atk and at least 275 speed, which you meet. right?
cursive kraken
your zaiross looks slow?
so spd tuning isn't enough on building? i still need to be quite fast?
cursive kraken
and not enough acc
ye, acc is quite a problem, can get him to have higher acc like 70% (plus arti he gets to 85%) but i lose quite good chunk of dmg
let me try to find it again
tender citrus
so spd tuning isn't enough on building? i still need to be quite fast?
what does this mean
cursive kraken
mmh like
i have met the minimum requirements for spd tuning
but that doesn't mean he's fast enough? he still need to be faster?
i'm sorry but i'm not good at english, i don't know how to express my self better
tender citrus
how are you speed tuning him
cursive kraken
with swop spd tuning
this is the fastest/most accurate zaiross i can make by losing dmg, with artis he'd go at 83% acc
cursive kraken
doesn't that refer to combat speed?
tender citrus
no
this is explained in #1048719420870107227 too
it's fine to lose damage to get acc and spd requirements
a lot of these monsters can be built on slot 6 acc and/or slot 4 cr
cursive kraken
no
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ok, let me see what i can do
can i build zaiross off despair?
or it's better to have zaiross with despair and psama off despair?
tender citrus
please read and reread all guides
before asking questions please
it is annoying for me to help people when 90% of their questions are directly answered in the guides
if it's a language issue... sorry this is just not going to work out then
it's answered in both #1048719420870107227 and ?tianagalleon