I don’t play every day but usually I play enough to get a devil on every week in arena, and now I’ve got about 50 in storage but I don’t have any buildings maxxed. Should I keep doing devils and just try to do more arena battles or should I wait to buy more devils until I get max speed and def tower?
#quick question
minor yarrow
jagged cedar
?devilmon
knotty blazeBOT
For New Players
Sigmarus (until max S2/S3) > Veromos > Baleygr (Until S3 maxed) > Vigor 2A > Raoq 2A > Save the rest of your devilmon until ?progression is finished and you are ready to start PvP
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jagged cedar
until you start working on pvp teams, thats where they sit
minor yarrow
Ok so I’ll rephrase my question
Should I stop buying devilmons until my towers are upgraded all the way? Or keep getting a devil every week
I don’t really play enough to do both very fast
jagged cedar
oh, no u make sure you buy them every week
minor yarrow
That’s kinda my thought I’m just torn cause I wanna get my towers up too
bronze acorn
if it's interfering that's because you don't do enough wings
in which case you're never gonna max your towers anyways (without making change)
minor yarrow
While I got yoh here, something I’m struggling with, is getting my tricaru speed tuned
minor yarrow
It’s really difficult to speed tune without grinds and difficult to get grinds without tricari
bronze acorn
to speed tune without grinds and to get grinds without tricaru?
i'm confused by this statement
how does tricaru get you grinds?
minor yarrow
Yeah I’m not doing enough wings I probably do about 50 wings a week on a good week
Well it doesn’t ig but it’s next in the path cause after tricaru is BJ right?
bronze acorn
are you setting 1 monster defense and trying to revenge people?
minor yarrow
are you setting 1 monster defense and trying to revenge people?
Yeah
bronze acorn
i'm just confused about what the point you're trying to say is here
tricaru really doesn't require towers much at all
minor yarrow
Sorry so It was 2 questions
The arena thing, got my answer
New question
Tricaru
How…cause right now I’m struggling to get good det runes
bronze acorn
what's the problem?
minor yarrow
Much less good det runes with the right speed subs
minor yarrow
Only in Odd slots
bronze acorn
you need like one icaru on more than 50 speed lol
minor yarrow
Well that’s been hard for me to get AND meet the def req
Rn the closest I got is +29
This is true yes but even still
minor yarrow
I mean I suppose…I’ve farmed water rift pretty consistently for like 3 months and have barely gotten to the def req and even still it’s with 2 guard sets
Ok
bronze acorn
then you're doing it terribly wrong
minor yarrow
Fair enough but also why I’m here lmao
bronze acorn
just
wait until you see this garbage
you REALLY do not need good determination runes
like you simply do not
just need stupid profile to import
minor yarrow
Here’s my mons. The past 3 times I tested, someone dies to the mid boss
They all meet the def requirement so I’m not worried about that
desert pond
Your verd is def the problem
minor yarrow
I haven’t found a SINGLE 6* slot 2 or slot 6 det rune
More atk? Ehp?
Bad speed tuned
?
bronze acorn
you need to read the tricaru command haha
minor yarrow
?tricaru
knotty blazeBOT
How to Tricaru
Monsters
3x Icaru(2a)
Verdehile
Team
Verdehile+Tricaru = DB/NB/PB
Which runes to use
Determination: These can be crafted with crafting materials found in Water/Light rift.
See chart below for a visual explanation.
For returning players, guard runes can be used if you already have grinded/gemmed guard runes.
Stats
Icaru
You want to reach 3301 combat defense in order to teamup with 3 monsters
~20%+ accuracy, to land your def break(more is better).
ATK/CR because while they need 3301 Defense, their damage comes from having ATK/CR
Verdehile
100% CR, speedtuned, 91k eHP nb12 (78k eHP db12), rest in ATK/CD ~about +1827 atk, 175cd / 3500 dmg s1 boss defbroken in swop.
The stronger your team, the squishier he can be.
Artifacts
Mainstat
Icaru + DEF | Verdehile + ATK
Best Substat
co-op damage, get this on everyone.
Good substats for Icaru
Skill [1] Accuracy
Additional damage by DEF
ATK increasing effect
Additional damage by ATK
Good substats for Verdehile
Skill [1] Crit damage
Additional damage by ATK > HP > SPD
Images
For a defense chart, click this.
https://imgur.com/wSmydMa
They need to be speedtuned, follow this.
https://imgur.com/EmBCZ26
FAQ
Q: For beginners
A: Determination is the easiest setup.
Refer to https://imgur.com/ShYKrzk
Q: How do I improve my TrIcaru team
A1: By giving your team more damage, this is easiest done by adding fight runes, as everyone benefits from this.
Refer to https://imgur.com/SRDIYzF
A2: By replacing Verdehile with Lushen(Damage) and Astar(Vampire) for NB12.
Q: Which transmogs are good
A: Halloween Verde
Q: Do they need skill ups?
A: Icaru? No, Verdehile? Yes
Q: How to stop failing PB10
A: target L>R>B, and add a Raoq(2a) or a Kro(2a).
Q: What about Giants?
Add Lushen
and one of the following
Laika/Belial/Mephisto full dmg
Veromos, 54% acc, 80k D.eHP and a nemesis set.
minor yarrow
Oof that rune req for verde is steep ok
heady leafBOT
Here are the requested monsters.
provided by SWARFARM
bronze acorn
what you should do here
is click the icarus
and actually look at the determination rune stats
they really, really do not have to be good
for example, check the slot 2/ and 6 on the first one
second**
there's no way you farm for three months andf can't get runes better than this lol
verde is the more difficult part
heady leafBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
bronze acorn
this is finely riding the line of minimum requirements
but to be honest
nearly all of the runes are pretty mediocre on verde even by beginner standards
i think the only rune i find to be pretty good is the slot 1
note that the ehp hits the requirements with determination sets
that's part of why they are so important on top of just making building tricaru a bunch easier
minor yarrow
Right the ehp with det runes makes sense. The biggest issue I’m having is I haven’t seen a SINGLE slot 2 or slot 6 6* def det rune
bronze acorn
are you auto selling blues?
minor yarrow
Not 6*
bronze acorn
you shouldn't auto sell 5* blues in 1/3/5 either
minor yarrow
If I’m being honest I think I’ve got pretty solid 1/3/5 runes
Not great but better than what you have
Admittedly yours aren’t great but they work
bronze acorn
if i'm being honest you're wrong because your tricaru is hot garbage and 2/4/6 is not what makes or breaks a tricaru
i don't mean to be rude either
tricaru can be built with 5* 2/4/6 det if you actually have solid 1/3/5
i find it very unlikely that you haven't seen a garbage def% slot 2/6 and sold it, if you haven't then that is bad luck for sure
but you should be crafting also
minor yarrow
I don’t use swarfarm but here’s 6 runes from my only “all det” tricaru
bronze acorn
and crafting helps with his
minor yarrow
but you should be crafting also
I am, and converting blue gems into white gems so I don’t need to farm light beast
bronze acorn
would recommend you convert the pure magic (white ones) into light crystals
the ratio is much better
and that keeps your mana economy healthy
minor yarrow
i find it very unlikely that you haven't seen a garbage def% slot 2/6 and sold i...
It’s possible. Truely. I’ll check my auto selling criteria rn but I’m desperate for a 6* def rune I wouldn’t do it consciously lol
bronze acorn
have you seen the garbage runes on my tricaru?
like it really, REALLY doesn't have to be good for your first tricaru
there's like
this rune is a white rune
like come on you'd probably sell this lol
this is really bad
but it works
bronze acorn
this is a white rune
0 relevant stats for your first tricaru
not even white rune
white rune can roll one or two useful stats
every stat on here does not matter for your first tricaru
minor yarrow
It’s actually purple
bronze acorn
you aren't understanding what i'm saying
minor yarrow
If not
bronze acorn
when i say it's a white rune i mean that its like
minor yarrow
Yes
bronze acorn
accuracy/speed
that's essentially all you really care about on your first tricaru
and when i say these are the stats that matter i don't mean you need a super perfect rune for it to be functional/fine
this is a decent slot 1. 20 speed. attack% is also not bad
one from another icaru
again, usable
minor yarrow
Ok so you would suggest I change that slot one to this?
bronze acorn
speed and accuracy are both good and attack is a good extra
minor yarrow
bronze acorn
it's better than what you have but it depends on how much speed the icaru you are using needs
minor yarrow
Right
Chart says 9/16/50 right? So I’ll probably put this on the one I’m closer to 50 on
bronze acorn
this one is fine
jagged cedar
slot 1 deter, u can quite literally the the pickiest with
the best 2 stats it can have on it are spd and acc
bronze acorn
Chart says 9/16/50 right? So I’ll probably put this on the one I’m closer to 50 ...
this is with MAX speed tower
this rune looks better than it actually is, this is essentially a solid blue rune
you can get 30% defense on a blue rune
minor yarrow
Yeah mines not great I think I’ve got +11 speed rn
bronze acorn
8 -> 16 -> 24 -> grind +6 = 30% def
minor yarrow
Yeah it’s the 22% res that’s killing it honestly
minor yarrow
It was probably flat attack
bronze acorn
you could decide to use this on some monsters in pvp later and keep the res since if you grinded hp% it's a good tank rune
but that is past the subject of this discussion
minor yarrow
Sure
bronze acorn
flat attack is better than res% for tricaru
jagged cedar
ez solution, that just goes on yr 2nd or 3rd icaru
minor yarrow
I guess subconsciously I have issues getting rid of +22% res more than +11atk but still
bronze acorn
the res%
does literally
with no exception
nothing
for tricaru
as i said this rune could be used elsewhere
but if you're trying to rune tricaru
the res is completely useless
personally
if i got this rune
i'd opt to gem nothing
then swap the rune out later when my tricaru is better
anyways
off topic
on topic
minor yarrow
Other tricaru
bronze acorn
slot 1 is the best slot to get speed in for sure because the only other really relevant stat available there for a beginner tricaru is accuracy
minor yarrow
bronze acorn
those are the two stats you want on slot 1
this is not a rune
sell this
lol
in all seriousness
when you have slot 5 like this it puts a lot of pressure on your other slots
the rune isn't even +12'd for starters
but again one useful stat here only
it DOESNT HAVE TO BE perfect
but i'm telling you
this is quite poor
minor yarrow
Last one
bronze acorn
minor yarrow
bronze acorn
this is not bad but really you should be looking to get basic blue determination runes
what you need to understand is that
minor yarrow
bronze acorn
one determination set = 32% defense
minor yarrow
Yes
bronze acorn
8% for each icaru and 8% for verde
this one would be better for a tricaru that is a bit more advanced
usable for sure
again 1 relevant sub stat, flat defense
minor yarrow
when you have slot 5 like this it puts a lot of pressure on your other slots
What should I be looking for minimum here in my slot 5?
bronze acorn
any slot 4 determination 6* is going to be preferred here. same thing. subs aren't really important at all but you do need to understand that if you're not gonna use a determination rune
you better have something worthwhile
bronze acorn
keep farming
check your 1/3/5s more
roll BLUE 1/3/5s with relevant subs (any def% slot 3 or 5 should be rolled)
you can use non-determination runes if they are excellent and have a broken set
here's an example of what i mean
so if you find an enhance/tolerance/etc blue rune
has 8% defense and its 6* blue
you can roll this
because that can be 24% def -> grind -> ~30% def, use broken set for one icaru
limit this
but it is a possibility
the verde is the biggest problem
the speed tuning is bad but you really need to farm giants
that verde is light years away from being good enough
your verde when you are first building it
should take runes from eVERYONE
every single monster
to complete
and you can replace the missing runes with ones you farm with tricaru
minor yarrow
should take runes from eVERYONE
AHHHH see I was scared to do this ngl
Cause I didn’t wanna cripple my other teams just for tricaru but if I’m doing this I can probably make it work
So then how’s this?
I’ll grind the CR
bronze acorn
look at the command please
everything is explained
this is on still not even close
my verde is on the absolute edge of minimum requirements
feel free to check it
bronze acorn
i'll send again
heady leafBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
minor yarrow
?ehp
knotty blazeBOT
Effective HP (eHP)
A function of health and defense that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken under normal conditions.
Defense Broken HP (D.eHP)
Another factor of EHP that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken while DEF broken.
Both can be checked with the command /ehp TotalHP TotalDEF (use in #bot-commands).
heady leafBOT
68064 ehp. Deffbroken: 32584 ehp.
minor yarrow
Def 1037
Hp 13792
heady leafBOT
65780 ehp. Deffbroken: 30740 ehp.
minor yarrow
Yes I’m multiplying by 7det sets as well
and realized I just did it wrong
But yeah…
Def 947
Hp 13792
heady leafBOT
74799 ehp. Deffbroken: 35840 ehp.
minor yarrow
With hp art
heady leafBOT
71090 ehp. Deffbroken: 32333 ehp.
minor yarrow
Def art
heady leafBOT
73470 ehp. Deffbroken: 34244 ehp.
bronze acorn
damage is usually the hardest part
don't half ass it
farm more giants
you probably don't have the runes
hold on
let me get something
every new player needs to read this.
WHEN YOU ARE STARTING, IT IS NOT A RUSH TO GET OUT OF GB12.
yes, you heard me correctly. you think you want to go to ice rift and make your tricaru and all that RIGHT AWAY. no, you don't. you want to farm giants. you want to improve all your runes. something new players do not understand is end game players continue to farm giants endlessly. it is not a race. the biggest advantage to getting ice rift set up is it gives you reappraisal access. outside of that, you seriously are not in a race. i know beginner playthrough looks cool with how fast the progression is.
#1 - you do not have the same rune knowledge as the player playing the account, so it will take you longer to get the runes required.
#2 - ALL TIME spent in giants is valuable. when you first start pvping, you want swift. seriously. you want to cleave. you want fatal. you want to cleave. you want blade. you want to cleave. lushen wants these runes and so do your other cleave units/dds you will use when starting siege. RAGE IS NOT significantly better than fatal. the difference is so small that you may as well consider them the same set.
and guess what? even if you get all your determination runes, which are very easy to get, i might add, there's a 99% you haven't farmed giants enough and your verde is too weak, and you just end up backpedaling and doing WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE in the first place, farming giants which would make your ice rift more consistent.
tl;dr - go farm giants more. don't rush. the very first run of giants you do could get you a rune that you use for the rest of your time playing the game. this does not change once you have tricaru done or other stuff. roll your blues and improve your runes. you'll have smoother progression.
bronze acorn
ehp
minor yarrow
Just saw your message about gb12 but also I think I’m really close here
It’s like 74k
I’ll check hold on
bronze acorn
okay
what does it say in the bot command
read the bot command lol
74k is way too low
minor yarrow
74799 ehp. Deffbroken: 35840 ehp.
^
bronze acorn
?tricaru
knotty blazeBOT
How to Tricaru
Monsters
3x Icaru(2a)
Verdehile
Team
Verdehile+Tricaru = DB/NB/PB
Which runes to use
Determination: These can be crafted with crafting materials found in Water/Light rift.
See chart below for a visual explanation.
For returning players, guard runes can be used if you already have grinded/gemmed guard runes.
Stats
Icaru
You want to reach 3301 combat defense in order to teamup with 3 monsters
~20%+ accuracy, to land your def break(more is better).
ATK/CR because while they need 3301 Defense, their damage comes from having ATK/CR
Verdehile
100% CR, speedtuned, 91k eHP nb12 (78k eHP db12), rest in ATK/CD ~about +1827 atk, 175cd / 3500 dmg s1 boss defbroken in swop.
The stronger your team, the squishier he can be.
Artifacts
Mainstat
Icaru + DEF | Verdehile + ATK
Best Substat
co-op damage, get this on everyone.
Good substats for Icaru
Skill [1] Accuracy
Additional damage by DEF
ATK increasing effect
Additional damage by ATK
Good substats for Verdehile
Skill [1] Crit damage
Additional damage by ATK > HP > SPD
Images
For a defense chart, click this.
https://imgur.com/wSmydMa
They need to be speedtuned, follow this.
https://imgur.com/EmBCZ26
FAQ
Q: For beginners
A: Determination is the easiest setup.
Refer to https://imgur.com/ShYKrzk
Q: How do I improve my TrIcaru team
A1: By giving your team more damage, this is easiest done by adding fight runes, as everyone benefits from this.
Refer to https://imgur.com/SRDIYzF
A2: By replacing Verdehile with Lushen(Damage) and Astar(Vampire) for NB12.
Q: Which transmogs are good
A: Halloween Verde
Q: Do they need skill ups?
A: Icaru? No, Verdehile? Yes
Q: How to stop failing PB10
A: target L>R>B, and add a Raoq(2a) or a Kro(2a).
Q: What about Giants?
Add Lushen
and one of the following
Laika/Belial/Mephisto full dmg
Veromos, 54% acc, 80k D.eHP and a nemesis set.
bronze acorn
this is what i'm trying to tell you, you need to follow the bot command
minor yarrow
Bit command says 68 for dragons
bronze acorn
i'm not going to keep spelling it out
bronze acorn
okay and what are you trying to farm dragons for
heady leafBOT
80091 ehp. Deffbroken: 38375 ehp.
minor yarrow
I’ll let you know how it goes with the other Cairo’s dungeons but necro was fine
Are you sure that in the tricaru command the ehp for necro and dragons aren’t swapped cause…
I’m getting super consistent necro runs with only 80k ehp and losing verde to the mid boss even tho EHP is met
But like you said
Why do I need to farm dragons?
bronze acorn
no it's not swapped
dying to mid boss means you lack damage
and this is a very poorly functioning tricaru either way, 1:43 average is extremely poor, you also still did not correct your speed tuning
this is the same thing i said before about farming giants. it applies to ice rift the same way that you should actually get runes that allow you to rune the team properly. i have no idea why you're rushing to farm necro.