[ARCHIVED] Siege Advice (Starting Season of March 2023)

[tacit dome]

i think this should just be feng lulu tesa

but i only have 3 lulus

feng woosa tesa could work

probably too low sustain though

shushu could work but she is not done yet

[thin oxide]

how did this lose, who did you target first?

[tacit dome]

Perna. Think I win for free if I kill mo long.

[thin oxide]

yea you had to kill mo first here, meph should be able to tank perna even with atk buff

if you want to kill perna first you need to just skip kona and have a mo tank in there instead. helena is best but might be able to get away with a racuni/lala/harm

shren should be able to 1 shot perna even without atk buff

[tacit dome]

That's true. Especially if I have the lead skill.

[thin oxide]

is there a reason you're using shren over something like a cov?

or is it just that you have no dupe covs

[tacit dome]

No, I do only own one cov but hadn't used it

[thin oxide]

the advantage/purpose of shren over all the other ignore def nukers is her s3 which gives her a bit of sustain

if you use shren you have to utilize that, thats why i have mine on a vio bruiser build that still is capable of 1 shotting stuff that's not super tanky (like perna)

otherwise if you just want a farmable def ignore nuker and you can't use a particular elemental one like kahli, make tarus

[tacit dome]

I do like that she brings some extra sustain

[thin oxide]

shren and taru has very similar damage output

[tacit dome]

I feel like here it isn't wasted

Taru is also incomparably easier to rune haha

[thin oxide]

yea exactly - it does make sense to have shren's sustain here. thats why i think it makes even more sense to really use that by giving her spd and/or putting her on vio

[jolly swift]

How do you get this screen?

[tacit dome]

SWGT, your guild has to have it

[jolly swift]

Cool I think I’m going to make my own thread to stop bothering you xD

[tacit dome]

You are welcome to ask :)

You should though, more people should start making threads

[thin oxide]

btw if you want to make this a thing

where people have their own threads for their siege stuff

i recommend recommending everyone to put their swarfarm in the first post and then pin it

[jolly swift]

Will do

[tacit dome]

Got it.

How about vs carcano elladriel miles? I want to make sure I can hit that properly also.

I went Leo Riley tesa

[gleaming vapor]

Can't you just galleon julie bernard that

even if eladriel lives and revives you can easily kill then second turn as well

[tacit dome]

That sounds very risky

[jolly swift]

Sorry but which tab is it under?

[tacit dome]

Elladriel can res and then proc after too

[tacit dome]

Shoot I am not at PC right now.cabout to sleep. You have to find the guild's siege battles. Then you go to battle logs. Then under search type "offense X", where X is your username.

[thin oxide]

how did the leo riley tesa lose

[jolly swift]

Thank you

[thin oxide]

did tesa just get def broken and die

for one i think lulu is better than riley here if you want to tesa leo it

lulu provides much better uptime of immunity and cleanses over riley, you lose the atk buff but it really isn't necessary

overall though its still probably not the best counter

you can probably bruiser it with malite vigor lulu or something similar to that

[tacit dome]

I wanted to use Lulu. I did not because all 3 were used. I know Riley buffs miles too

[thin oxide]

and actually the shren meph stuff would have been great here lol

if you run like khmun meph shren

or i guess any fire healer will do doesn't have to be khmun

[tacit dome]

That is very smart actually.

[thin oxide]

but yea that would be a case where shren does shine as a ignore def sniper that has sustain

[tacit dome]

Well fire bruiser and you have sustain for shren. Brilliant.

Sustain from**

That is so smart and cool.

[tacit dome]

What are some decent non premium options vs mo long, Harmonia, taranys?

[thin oxide]

rina + 2 wind

i use super non premium huan over triana here too

like hraes huan rina

[tacit dome]

Is this decent covenant praline raki as a more premium option?

[thin oxide]

how does that work

[tacit dome]

Kill taranys with raki and mo long with covenant, then you just have to beat Harmonia?

Ahhh wait. It doesn't prevent revives. It just pierces. Okay. Nevermind.

[thin oxide]

yea i dont think you can kill taranys with raki

raki will prevent taranys from reviving

but how is she going to do enough damage to 1 shot taranys

[tacit dome]

I understand. It is not like she is ignoring defense.

[earnest shore]

mo Riley perna: you could probably just tesa lulu triana that

carc elad miles: mephi Lushen or shren mephi it should both work if shren is tankier built (so it can survive a miles proc or two)

Garo Clara Vigor: I feel like tractor lulu windy is better than lala here, puts both fires on windy and even on defbreak they shouldn't swap where they definitely will if lala is defbroken

seems like just a need for more lulu if you're going to bruiser these things

[fallow sail]

Wait how did you lose the shren hit?

Oh you killed perna first

[tacit dome]

Yeah big bad play.

How to rune water twins Chloe? 179 water twins with swift Chloe?

[old marsh]

Sounds right, high cr/cd (can prob get your CD from artas) water twins protected by chloe, just be careful not to run it in strip.
See if you have someone in your guild you can test damage into to confirm you have enough dps to delete units

With how much you desired lulu in your later fights, did you have better alternatives for the comps you used lulu into?

Like the 2nd one with Triana/Karnal/Minato, I don't think that requires TWL, tho it is really safe into it.
Looking over you swarfarm, Feng Yan/Woosa/Kaki should be able to deal with it.

I see Sian/Iunu/Psama as an option into SOP, but i'll admit that has some level of risk and prob more of a 4th/5th team to use

[earnest shore]

yeah pretty much, make chloe tanky so she can eat some hits too while you're at it

[tacit dome]

My kaki is set up for Tiana galleon cheongpung. Rune swapping is fine but making a new set mid siege so he can be tanky enough is a bit too much for me.

[tacit dome]

I don't have skillups on any of these units (psama and iunu being a bigger deal) but this is a neat idea.

For seara Orion perna I really prefer malite Lulu vigor. Some of the other comps I have tried have felt bad or very risky. With Fran malaka triana for example I am just too darn squishy on triana and she can die turn 1, even with solid -fire

[old marsh]

yea figured that the malite comp was your best ones for SOP, so prob not avoidable to use lulu there, but the Feng Yan/Woosa/X variant can prob use whatever, especially against that particular comp.

Woosa basically negates Karnal, so x can be whatever brusier to help tank Minato or dps the other units

[tacit dome]

Khmun feng woosa maybe

Maybe feng woosa xf/khmun

[tacit dome]

@inland sedge do you think that with feng mihael vela its more doable?

i know that mihael isn't amazing but i am curious if this is a more viable preset

[fallow sail]

Leek presets

[gleaming vapor]

That comp's still pretty decent even with Mihael

[earnest shore]

No that comp is incredibly good with Mihael

It's just broken with Aaliyah lmao

but it's definitely still a preset

Make sure you swap Mihael arts as needed though she can get smacked pretty hard sometimes

[tacit dome]

gotcha @earnest shore i'll set it up for next siege

going to be streaming vs SSA + apoc

[gleaming vapor]

Damn rough match

How's it going?

[tacit dome]

i'm stuck

[jolly swift]

Still against the geldnir

[inland sedge]

[tacit dome]

https://i.imgur.com/D8vJt6A.png
any suggestions against this without juno?

would appreciate suggestions against any of these so i can learn for next time

[tacit dome]

Would like advice vs geldnir ophilia theomars also. I don't have bolverk :(

[thin oxide]

i'd just lushen or cleave this somehow

if you want to tank it then you need leo. with tetra. +1 can be whatever

[thin oxide]

for this one i'd try something like susano elucia jultan/jubelle/dias/etc

jultan and dias in particular are nice because they have heal block

elucia is extremely good here since they dont have any immunity or cleanse

[tacit dome]

like mihyang dova lushen?

[thin oxide]

yes

[thin oxide]

khmun roid triana

can use other fire/wind bruisers besides khmun roid too, but those 2 are probably best

standard f2p counter to geld ophilia theo is triana elucia loren

[tacit dome]

WIP here. What do you all think?

[tacit dome]

Is this a cdmg triana? I'm unsure how else anything dies here!

[tacit dome]

What do you all think of these? Trying to make spreadsheets so I can have something to reference for the future. Does everything here seem sensible?

This siege was extremely hard but I think I learned a decent amount from it
#1 (W) - This was a waste of leo I believe.
#2 (W) - This was risky but I felt like I had to take risks to win this siege.
#3 (L) - Garbage. Didn't realize how badly I was shooting myself in the foot. Still almost won (it was winnable but it would have taken hours, got stuck on geldnir alone)
#4 (L) - Poor & big rune gap.
#5 (W) - Think this was fine. Seemed safe enough.
#6 (L) - Rune gapped
#7 (L) - Almost got it right.. roid makes a lot more sense.
#8 (W) - Did what jx said. Saw a guildie cleaved and recleaved it.
#9 & 10 (W+W) - I think that these bases are the ones I can get the most wins in sieges like this be honest. It's RNG dependent but it feels very reasonable to beat while outruned unless I lose turn 1. Which is very possible. But it feels like 92%~+ win chance

[thin oxide]

no you still need tank triana, theo is in the picture. elucia + loren is a ton of control between the slows, atb reduction, and hard cc. loren also has heal block. it is a bit rune intensive but you should try it

[thin oxide]

if it helps you then go for it, in general though this kind of stuff is what swgt was designed to do

#1 using leo against theo is never a waste in any form, that's what he was designed to do

#3 camilla to me is now a top tier super valuable siege offense mon, on par with feng and even better than leo for me. should always be using her to tank something that's otherwise difficult to tank (seara/dom/sav + theo or cc that makes other tanks less viable)

#4 i'm not sure what happened but i'm personally always super scared of nora. she can easily chain control your entire team by herself. i wouldn't be comfortable bringing a bruiser team with triana as my only source of cleanse into nora. if you want to use a water tank here like rina/camilla you really need + 2 fire bruiser. theo can def break triana as well causing seara to bomb her. and there are a lot more better anti-nora fire monsters (juno, racuni, lala somewhat)

[fallow sail]

Therion cleaved shura

I’m like 80% sure Therion was swift trapped

[thin oxide]

oh that comment was referring to the xing triana rina vs seara nora theo

[fallow sail]

Ah Mb

[thin oxide]

damn 4 spd lead advantage and 8 spd base advantage and got trapped that hurts

[fallow sail]

Shura has a +230 set iirc

Or somewhere up there

Past that though, I really hate lushening Theo with mihy

Because s2 doesn’t kill very consistently due to Theo having a second buff

[thin oxide]

yea finishing off theo isn't reliable but i don't think there's a better spd lead option here

[fallow sail]

Lemme rephrase “I hate lushening Theo”

[thin oxide]

how else would you hit this

[tacit dome]

Actually the nephtys lived. I full swapped my best runes and no dice

[fallow sail]

There’s a couple odd angles I can see. You can use a couple Chandra offenses if you have the will runes to pull it off for example. Cami windy +1 probably works fine here as well, with the +1 probably being a self reviving unit/nana

Vamp destroy iunu is probably unironically good here

[thin oxide]

oh i like the camilla windy iunu idea

[fallow sail]

Yeah it’s something i play with (not iunu usually)

Not being able to consistently keep def breaks on 2/3 means the third just has to be able to not die

Which given that’s a Nepthys

Means second life unit

Iunu is sick because Theo will (probably) be the one to trigger his death trigger, so revenge brand + oblivion is op

[tacit dome]

To be honest I really want to solve that geldnir issue

There were so, so, so many geldnir defenses

And this is one I really just can't hit consistently

[tacit dome]

Yeah I think it helps me a lot. Maybe a private 3MDC is what I need to make.

[civic steeple]

I like orochi bernard covenant into this

[tacit dome]

Hmmm okay. I could do that too.

I'm worried the eshir can solo from there though?

[thin oxide]

if you want to do that kind of team it's better to do mihyang bernard

i'd say its something like an 90% ish team depending on runes

it is not that difficult to lose 3v2

[tacit dome]

What is the goal? 239 85% accuracy on loren? Same with elucia? And with triana just tanky on 100% res? I am unsure I understand the functionality completely of the offense

[thin oxide]

239 is probably ok but 286 would be ideal

just try it, you have gelds in your guild right? at least ent does

you just ignore the geld, sleep ophilia, and work on theo

[astral sun]

Good starter defenses?

[tacit dome]

@astral sun please open your own thread and read #1048719420870107227

[earnest shore]

After just seeing this I can confirm this works exceedingly well. I was hella surprised too but apoc showed me it works all too well cause Loren is so good lol

If you can hit 286 on everyone it's insane. Even on swift.

[tacit dome]

I'm sure I could make that happen

Need ent to set up so I can practice and test

[tacit dome]

How important is accuracy on chacha? For example, using into seara nora kinki

[thin oxide]

there are people who think accuracy is super important on chacha and i can't say that they are wrong

but my personal preference is that it's not that important

i usually just have 20-40 ish with some more on arti

whatever i can get

chacha's power is centered around her s1 which is super reliable, even with max acc you cannot always depend on the s3. there are many times where even when s3 is off cooldown, the correct play is to s1 instead of s3 because s1 is guaranteed and s3 is not

[inland sedge]

I would run more acc into kinki, none into narsha

[tacit dome]

okay, so if i'm not running water twins felleria into mst, since people seem to really, really dislike it. i've had a lot of success but i'd like to be with the times rather than declining to adapt
what would you have me run instead? i have TWL. i can build tq, raoq, verde. i can rune swap my fastest set if need be, i've sort of conceded at this point to doing a lot of rune swapping

[fallen flare]

the teamup comps r good, (the tq comp u mentioned) as well as icaru ryan verde

there’s mihyang dozer imesety

and then ld stuff like bethony and miri

[tacit dome]

i'm confused how this one wins, don't you have to live through a turn of twins?

[fallen flare]

u fluff the martina with mihyang

and kill through triana with dozer

[tacit dome]

oh wait

bulldozer, not copper

[fallen flare]

ye

u need a swift cr set on mihyang

[frozen spindle]

I wouldnt really recommend mihyang imesety dozer, just based off the fact it requires pretty decent runes to be really safe

[tacit dome]

this is the biggest issue i've had with other mst counters

[frozen spindle]

I honestly dont have a problem with water twins felleria

[tacit dome]

tq raoq verde OK i can swap my fastest swift set, that's fine, been trying to avoid swapping but it's impossible not to in hard sieges
TWL i can do, i've set up decent sets on them for this, but i would much rather save lulu because of how often i use them, same with windy
some of these other ones have pretty high rune requirements on top of swapping
whereas with water twins felleria i have it ready to go instantly

[frozen spindle]

How many copies of twl do you have?

[tacit dome]

2 and 3 lulus

[frozen spindle]

Tq roaq verde? Just one?

And one set of water twins?

[tacit dome]

i just got tq a couple days ago from the event haha

yep and yep

[frozen spindle]

Ahh right

Tbh thats probably fine

Mst doesnt appear that often anymore

[tacit dome]

i haven't actually 6*'d tq yet, was building chachas and grego and other stuff because our last siege was plastered in geldnir

err

not those monsters for geldnir

making a second loren now and a third triana, basically, building a lot of stuff lol

[frozen spindle]

Yeah imo thats better than building dupe offenses for mst specifically in this day and age

[tacit dome]

was so hard since both apoc and SSA spam the ever living heck out of geldnir

i missed geldnir hoh or something

[frozen spindle]

Geld spam was and still is, one of my biggest weaknesses

[tacit dome]

we were talking about it here this week

i want ent to rune it so i can test

had gotten the triana elucia loren suggestion

have you tried this team?

[frozen spindle]

I havent

It sounds pretty good

[tacit dome]

apparently it slays so going to build some copies

[frozen spindle]

Yeah it’s a good idea to find the builds

[quartz crescent]

I think TQ Raoq gets trapped easily just by Nem stuff which is really and fast
Like Damage Shaina on Nem triggers and cuts fairly consistently while living with a sliver of health often

Twl is solid and can also work into its traps (aka. Damage fast twins+Triana)

In case you have the TQ skin be sure to try it out as a guildie told me it changes the Teamup Order of the comp

[tacit dome]

thank you

that makes sense, there is a decent amount of nem shaina these days i suppose

@earnest shore thank you for the suggestion on elucia by the way

[nocturne ridge]

Here are the requested monsters.

therionshadow1 - Elucia

Full views:
#1 Elucia
#2 Elucia

#1 Guard, Violent

SPD, HP%, ACC

HP: 32520
DEF: 1571
ATK: 1381
SPD: 223
CR: 20%
CD: 50%
ACC: 92%
RES: 33%
EHP: 215884
Effcy: 106.20%

#2 Violent, Will

DEF%, DEF%, RES

HP: 25250
DEF: 2086
ATK: 832
SPD: 141
CR: 20%
CD: 55%
ACC: 49%
RES: 120%
EHP: 213135
Effcy: 88.94%

provided by SWARFARM

[tacit dome]

ignore the right one, that one is a WIP

was able to make a set i'm pretty darn happy with on acc%. almost all comps i'm using elucia in that are meaningful need her to have acc these days i feel, kinki + monte are the two that come to mind first

[jolly swift]

Is the double defense one for sav?

[fallow sail]

I really can’t advise TWL in general

Because you’re essentially pitting your rune quality vs your opponent

[tacit dome]

it's incomplete but yes

so twl is off the table
tq garo verde is off the table
water twins felleria is off the table
mihyang copper imesety is off the table
cleaving is off the table
...what's left?

i'm confused, a lot of conflicting ideas here in this thread and honestly i am just not sure what the general consensus is on good mst counters

[jolly swift]

Can you explain this more?

[fallow sail]

In a longer fight

You’re essentially letting the game come down to who does more/turn

Given TWL is purely rune/arti based and doesn’t really control the enemy

You essentially just pit your team vs theirs in terms of who kills faster

[jolly swift]

Oh

I guess I’m also in the same spot as therion here then

They listed off all of the counters that I have been using

[fallow sail]

Icaru Ryan

[jolly swift]

I’m assuming you rune swap the icaru or is 4 icaru a real thing?

[fallow sail]

You rune swap it

Or if you’re jx

Have 3 icarus

None of which are used in dungeons

[nocturne ridge]

jx297? Never heard of him/her - Account doesn't exist or not public.

[fallow sail]

[tacit dome]

going to stream siege, feel free to come watch

[tacit dome]

what do you guys like to bring into khmun suiki betta?

i took in kunite elucia vigor. that was a very poor team.

[fallow sail]

Was a chilling Elucia comp iirc

[thin oxide]

water twins chloe

[fallow sail]

Wanna say

[tacit dome]

do you just kill betta instantly?

[fallow sail]

Chilling Elucia fire immunity caster

[thin oxide]

kill whatever is easiest

i use my vio twins for this

[earnest shore]

Loren Elucia Chilling was what I saw people run worked super well

chilling first then Loren then Elucia

Suiki should never move

[tacit dome]

Thank you everyone

[tacit dome]

@thin oxide is louise used on offense?
well, actually, we already discussed the other day the importance of strong defense monsters. the only thing i care about is siege so if that is the pick i'll take at the end of the event

original post (accidentally jacked mario's thread): feng is the pick here, right?

[fallow sail]

Hmm

Wind Manon is generally an op unit

Louise is solid

Carlos opens up some cool cleave lines

Barb sucks for you

[tacit dome]

new tech?

[fallow sail]

With feng

Her s3 is fengs wet dream

Bc def buff

Cd reduction

And shield iirc

[tacit dome]

i would think that this would be suboptimal since you're taking hits from feng + there are other defense buffs available
i do have amelia as well so not sure how much of a difference that makes in terms of feng pairings

[fallow sail]

Uh the main thing is

Whatever wind manons name is

Provides damage

[tacit dome]

jade

[nocturne ridge]

Jade (Wind Macaron Guard)

Wikia

1. Macaron Boomerang

Attacks the enemy to decrease Defense for 2 turns with a 40% chance. This attack will deal more damage according to your Defense.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

1.8*{ATK} + 2.7*{DEF}

2. Crash! Macaron

Escorts the ally with the lowest HP for 3 turns, then charges towards the enemy target. Deals damage that increases according to your Defense on the attacked target and stuns for 1 turn. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

2*{ATK} + 3.2*{DEF}

3. Sweet Shout

Creates a shield that's proportionate to your Defense on all allies for 3 turns and increases their Defense for 3 turns. In addition, decreases the skill cooldown time of all allies by 1 turn each. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.0*{DEF}

provided by SWARFARM

[fallow sail]

That s2 hits pretty hard lol

[tacit dome]

yeah that slays actually

[fallow sail]

Leo feng jade is a pretty op comp

Bc you just beat the shit out of the defense

[tacit dome]

carlos is fun but realistically speaking he will end up never getting used and sitting in storage because of how i play

[fallow sail]

Oof

[tacit dome]

this probably sounds stupid and obvious but i would like a unit that i'm going to avoid doing that with

like if jade is strong enough that i'm going to be very frequently using her i'll take her at the end

i'm concerned louise would end up similar to carlos

but i do play bruiser all the time so unsure if that would change anything

[thin oxide]

not sure if i believe the same about jade

she's ok but doesn't seem at all op. don't let jade take the credit for how op feng + leo is

louise is used both offense and defense

she's an alternative to riley, and better when you don't need the atk buff

for example a popular way to bruiser theo molly sagar is to use double wind + camilla/rina

louise is great here as one of the winds, she brings a nice lead and if your other wind unit is something like feng or roid who doesn't care as much for the atk buff, she offers more protection than riley

[fallow sail]

Are you typing

[tacit dome]

yep!!

#1 - Standard. Still no ryan built so can't do this offense.
#2 - Standard. Still no ryan built so can't do this offense.
#3 - Didn't really make any sense. Went for the mo long first so tesa is sort of pointless here. Think some extra fluff damage would be nice in this case. Would like suggestions on how to improve this.
#4 - Terrible. Still not sure what I like against this. Could galleon cheongpung tiana but I'm unconfident in this scenario.
#5 - Standard.
#6 - Think this was fine.
#7 - Think this was also fine. This was funny. 5* Mephisto and dova.
#8 - Terrible. Did get excellent suggestions for next time.
#9 - Bad. Think this is too risky when there is trasar as well as skogul. Poor. Loren Elucia Roid, perhaps?
#10 - Fine. Probably better solutions but defense was poor. Ran cdmg triana here.

[thin oxide]

#3 - easiest would be to just copper it (kill bolv first) and then you can use any water or fire tank you want, rina or racuni are probably fine

[fallow sail]

Id point out

10 is not safe

because if vio clara s3->2 logan

you have a problem

[thin oxide]

#4 - water tank (camilla/talc/rina) + 2 wind is standard here, make sure you do have a lot of dmg htough you have to kill stuff fast. dom + mo do a lot of damage

for example logan riley is probably fine

this is actually a place where if you want to be cute, you can use kashmir as wind dd

[tacit dome]

rina copper imesety for instance?

[thin oxide]

yes

[fallow sail]

#9 you can copper dozer i think lol

[thin oxide]

for your kahli meph comp i strongly recommend building meph on swift and dropping the dova. its a waste to have 2 boosters

it was easy because those defs suck but you can tackle similar better defs with a better version of this offense

[tacit dome]

Makes sense. The reason I did is because I only have one konamiya and no teons

[thin oxide]

#9 - i'm a bit worried about both skoguls procing and just killing your team but maybe thats too unlikely to really worry about

[tacit dome]

no that actually almost happened

but

well, results aside

that is after, i think elucia loren roid is fine or copper bulldozer right?

[thin oxide]

garo is probably a bit safer here, do any sort of booster + single snipe to kill jultan

[tacit dome]

ahhhh

i need to remember against skogul/trasar on defense that i can simply garo it

[thin oxide]

#10 - worried about clara def breaking your wind units and getting killed by roid

better to bring a wind tank like yeonhwa or malite + 2 fire like khmun racuni

[fallow sail]

10 id honestly just

windy harmonia +fire

to be totally honest

with some bulky fire unit

[tacit dome]

Ty, I am taking notes on all of this. I appreciate it a lot

[fallow sail]

roid/clara wont ever really make a dent into windy

[thin oxide]

yea same thing i dont know why i didn't say windy as a wind tank

[fallow sail]

its late

also

[tacit dome]

truly

khmun windy harmonia? i just don't want to get bonked by aegir after a defense break from clara if windy gets stunned

also with #3 do you think this would be safe to coco shren homunculus? could just kill mo (would probably take both to kill) and then i feel like it's unlikely i die between shren passive and everything else

i was considering it while in siege

i actually feel like i really like shren over kahli a lot of the time just to dodge -element

[swift sage]

Which homunculus do you use? Light for siege I’d presume?

[earnest shore]

light with fast pace and atk buff s2

[earnest shore]

#4 I would just double snipe now that molly sucks esp if you own Sonia, wind Kassandra or Odin, you cov molly and (wind dd) the Dom and then beat on mo long a bit

(But your booster has to tank mo, so probably bastet or Megan 2A)

#8 you got suggestions. Also, this is cleave able scouted but you generally need to have fought players enough to get a general gauge of how fast they are to cleave blind. It's an interesting defense cause it's actually not as easy as it is on paper cause there's a lot of trap variation. The control (+strip) teams should always win though as long as you tune tightly.

#9 you just Garo + ime copper or Kona Covenant as suggested

#10 you can actually just Julie if you're confident lol, if you outspeed it's dead and you have 5 lead + 8 base spd adv. Running Logan into cd vio clara sounds terrifying.

[tacit dome]

yep, just as nup said

[tacit dome]

going to stream this siege if anyone is interested!

[tacit dome]

what's the build for bolverk guys

violent is not it it seems

[gleaming vapor]

Will shield revenge

Or will shield X

[tacit dome]

it was fun though

funny water man with max skill up always steal buff

[gleaming vapor]

bolv comp is by far one of the comps I enjoy the most using

too strong.

[tacit dome]

it was just bolverk lulu skogul haha

[gleaming vapor]

can use him with windy too into some defs

[sacred fossil]

I like windy more than Skogul but if you’re confident Skogul won’t die

Go for it

[gleaming vapor]

generally ye

agreed

[fallow sail]

Yeah

While it’s entirely unnecessary

Bolv skill ups are a huge qol improvement

[gleaming vapor]

50% to 100 is insane

[fallow sail]

Yeah

It’s extremely visible in rta with masha running around

Bc you just get stacks insanely fast

Masha moves once + bolv upticks + s1 steals masha immunity is 3 stacks

[inland sedge]

Vio is good on bolverk but It’s kinda waste of a good set

I would just do shield will rev max res 239

[tacit dome]

ty furyn

[inland sedge]

Exposing I didn’t devil mine

[tacit dome]

what's the counter to josephine + manx/birman/dark hypnomeow?

[earnest shore]

tbh id lushen it\

or use other ignore like cov kahli etc\

[tacit dome]

in this case it was josephine abellio birman

[thin oxide]

there's no def break on that team you can probably bruiser it with anything as well

[tacit dome]

took logan lulu kunite for it

[fallow sail]

Khmun Kona Shren

Blow up the cat press auto lol

[tacit dome]

[fallow sail]

it fails the first (and second test of does a def work)

the first being does it stop you from just cleaving it somehow

theres no speed threat

no molly/manon type unit

so you move to 'can i blow up the problem unit(s)

[tacit dome]

starting to get there with understanding, i appreciate you putting it in words

[fallow sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989658481114107906/1011357601621102703/repost.gif

[tacit dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989658481114107906/1011357601621102703/repost.gif

[tacit dome]

Vs momo Manon nora?

I learned the hard way no tesa into manon

[tacit dome]

Going to stream siege :)

[fallow sail]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-26526179

How’d it go @tacit dome

[tacit dome]

9-1, lost one to rune gap

also many many procs x_X

[fallow sail]

Don’t you have cp

Or like

Groggo

[tacit dome]

for this defense?

[fallow sail]

Ya

[tacit dome]

i used tiana galleon earliker but i actually accidentally used poseidon preset instead of cheongpung

i thought this was standard counter :o

[fallow sail]

checks log

[nocturne ridge]

Groggo (Light Golem)

Wikia

Base

HP: 10875 — DEF: 725
ATK: 362 — SPD: 91
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15

Info

Type: Defense
Stars: 4
Devils: 7
Farmable: No

Awaken

From: Golem

Lead

Increase the HP of ally monsters with Light attribute by 30%

provided by SWARFARM

[fallow sail]

Tiana cleave into 24 LM is brave lol

[tacit dome]

i wasn't too sure about it honestly at the time

oh

this one i actually didn't know how to hit either, this was very bad

[fallow sail]

There’s a couple ways you can hit this

My preferred method is just light tank double fire

Raoq doesn’t actually def break on teamup

So smth like Bellenus rica halphas

[tacit dome]

Is there a light tank that exists in this game

That isn't halphas :D

fun groggo?

does his passive work against bombs?

i guess i could try to test it

[fallow sail]

Groggo is for herteit specifically

As for the oracle def

You can use shushu probably

Idk I haven’t hit that def in years

[tacit dome]

feels like its hard to actually maintain immunity with just shushu

well

even if you do you can still get stripped by giana

hmm

[fallow sail]

Oh no

You’re winning this in about

2 turns lol

Your team is full off will

The def goes for the light unit

And the fire units proceed to murder the def

[frozen spindle]

Feleria, i have also used groggo too in the past, and it’s been fine

[tacit dome]

oh, felleria, forgot about her lol

[tacit dome]

here's offenses from today

1. would like a better solution, feels really bad and definitely loses to procs
2. good
3. very bad, would like some f2p suggestions
4. thought it was good but i guess not :D
5. meant to take cheongpung. also probably too brave as ent said
6. fine
7. fine
8. fine
9. fine
10. fine

[fallow sail]

3 is funny because the best counter doesn’t have f2p units but there’s quite a bit of freedom

Julie might work?

[tacit dome]

if there is one i can run i'm all ears! i just am unsure what else it would look like, i don't own bellenus or rica

hmm

i would be worried about losing to swift raoq

but

[fallow sail]

Idk I just sit back on my plethora of fire units

You might be able to do smth like

[tacit dome]

that's also because even if i swap my fastest set it's still super slow

[fallow sail]

Racuni dongbaek fire?

[tacit dome]

like +204

khmun racuni dong?

[fallow sail]

No you want a fire threat that kills things while being bulky

Hence why Bellenus and rica are ideal

[tacit dome]

is that not what khmun does?

[fallow sail]

Bc they cripple the def while killing fairly quickly

[tacit dome]

or you want it killed faster?

[fallow sail]

So my personal philosophy

Is you either want to kill defs quickly

Or quickly eliminate their ability to function

Bc the longer the fight drags on without you in control

The more rune quality/rng plays a role

You may notice if you pay attention to my offenses

I don’t use units like malite almost ever

[tacit dome]

i'm just trying to think of a solution with what i have

[fallow sail]

Lemme peep your swarfarm

[tacit dome]

rakan makes no sense

douglas could get a revenge but that sounds like just a normal generic fire dd

[fallow sail]

[tacit dome]

carcano could work but that takes two turns

[fallow sail]

Honestly Jojo sounds decent

Although he’s not built

[tacit dome]

that is an interesting idea

[fallow sail]

no Bellenus hurts

Or Helena

[tacit dome]

god if only i had helena honestly

[fallow sail]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-26526179

[frozen spindle]

Technically you can garo draco kahli it, and snipe giana

[tacit dome]

does it actually matter if grego gets turns?

[nocturne ridge]

Here are your builds.

Grego *

#1 Will,Revenge

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 46048
DEF: 1269
ATK: 1093
SPD: 179
CR: 19%
CD: 50%
ACC: 19%
RES: 92%
E.HP: 257016
Effcy: 95.47%

#2 Guard,Will

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 46558
DEF: 1241
ATK: 975
SPD: 180
CR: 26%
CD: 65%
ACC: 30%
RES: 84%
E.HP: 255300
Effcy: 94.90%

#3 Will

HP%, HP%, RES

HP: 39456
DEF: 1292
ATK: 1120
SPD: 205
CR: 21%
CD: 50%
ACC: 30%
RES: 104%
E.HP: 223399
Effcy: 97.70%

#4 Will,Revenge,Revenge

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 38115
DEF: 1231
ATK: 1061
SPD: 209
CR: 25%
CD: 61%
ACC: 14%
RES: 100%
E.HP: 207669
Effcy: 92.51%

provided by SWOP

[tacit dome]

he's on 100 res in all builds

it's just gemmed in

[thin oxide]

yes his skills are quite good

also note that narsha and sav do more damage to you the slower you are

[tacit dome]

Is this why yours is on 239 tick?

[old marsh]

How about tesa racuni meatball for the Seara Raoq Giana comp?
Meatball just there to tank potential 2 bombs, the res lead from tesa provides protection from either giana/raoq attacking fire unit (depends on meatball + ai targeting)
Meatballs would be high HP units, likely light/wind so Eshir/Skogul as options

[thin oxide]

regarding seara giana raoq:

there is no reliable way to tank/bruiser this def without halphas (or akroma lol). when i say tank/bruiser i mean using tesa/racuni as your fire bruisers. ent's suggestion of bellenus/rica/jojo/john/karnal/helena/raki/etc is a great one but that's essentially a 2nd turn cleave and not some sort of bruiser. you're not expecting your tank to tank for very long.

to expand on the 2nd turn cleave option - the safest and most popular way to do it is with haegang as your tank. using off-will fire and a light tank is fine against swift raoq but incase the raoq is vio, there is the possibility of raoq procing into def breaking your fire units to get bombed/stunned. with haegang you use full will and can deal with both vio raoq and giana strip stun.

one other popular way to deal with this offense is the yolo revive nuke type team - combinations of nana perna iunu sian psama perna etc.

of course you can always cleave this with a variety of different things (lushen, julie, garo draco kahli), but it is a pretty tight speed race. you're up against base speed 108 + 24 spd lead. like personally this isn't something i feel comfortable racing against with any comp.

tl;dr - this is a very tough def to hit if your'e poor. there literally is no good f2p option. you need either premium units (halphas, haegang, or fancy nat 5 fire 2nd turn monsters) or premium swift runes. you don't see this def much at higher levels because at that point people will have a lot of the premium options, and there certainly are a lot of different premium options available.

[thin oxide]

yes both because they often tank beast riders, and like i said their skills are very good and you want them taking turns to use them

[tacit dome]

wow, thank you, this is super educational and interesting. i really appreciate the in depth explanation. i had been thinking about halphas but hadn't considered haegang. that is some interesting exotic tech.

there are a lot of interesting options here - i guess that it makes sense that most accounts playing in g3 have some sort of option considering the amount of different ways to deal with this that there are even if they are premium

[thin oxide]

yea the tech isn't a secret or anything. tesa/fire monkey racuni halphas OR rica bellenus haegang are the 2 most popular counters out there

best part about the haegang counter is that nothing needs to be skilled up since it's a cleave

[tacit dome]

@thin oxide i actually just realized, for 4, it's probably important to have susano lead here even if i'm outspeeding for the damage buff & for more turns after killing herteit, right? normally i do this with susano lead. but after i killed herteit here vigor and triana just took too many turns. also susano was just on a crate build - i wasn't able to get the necessary speed to be tuned while on cdmg

[thin oxide]

yea should use spd lead. i personally wouldn't use this counter unless i had bastet

bastet makes 3v2 a bit safer

with megan it's like almost a crap shoot

not safe at all

[tacit dome]

that was how it felt!

[thin oxide]

should try the groggo counter

[tacit dome]

going to make a groggo for it!

[thin oxide]

i don't think it's as foolproof as ent suggests but it's better than susano megan stella for sure

like every time i use it my heart rate goes up as i feel like i'm about to lose the whole time, but i don't think i've actually lost yet with it

[tacit dome]

lmao :D

[thin oxide]

and i've tried all the different build variants with it

[tacit dome]

who do you use together with groggo?

[tacit dome]

also i had one more question about 9, should this be a normal tanky triana or cdmg? i ran cdmg but i'm thinking about it now and if monte rolls a one eshir can just hit her and she dies

[gleaming vapor]

I always run tanky 100% res Triana on that one

And carc on 100% c rate to avoid missing a crit which can be crucial considering how rng monte can be

[tacit dome]

I just was doing atk build

[gleaming vapor]

I think that's too risky

[thin oxide]

for 9, you have to use tank triana

and we've discussed carc build - you should be going cd not pure atk

you're going for monte first, and carc even on cd build is still going to 2 shot kinki (or at worst 3 shot)

and not get hit with revs

[gleaming vapor]

Oh yeah I do 100 c rate with c dmg slot4

[tacit dome]

Hmm. I have him on crate normally. Let's see if I can do it!

[thin oxide]

logan + riley/triana/chasun

the support is subject to a lot of debate

the downside of riley is that she only cleanses 1 debuff. becomes problematic when vigor lands both def break + heal block on groggo

[gleaming vapor]

Rune swap if needed imo it's always best to bring the best rune quality you can into monte

[thin oxide]

the downside of triana is that she has the lowest sustain, but the full cleanse is nice. plus passive for emergency. she also can contribute dmg

the downside of chasun is no cleanse/immunity at all which is really bad. but she can heal through heal block

[tacit dome]

You know I had issues in the past with the heal block and def break when running riley in some comps. That makes more sense now.

[tacit dome]

For malaka Fran John. Do you all find accuracy slot 6 to be valuable on John? I have a decent accuracy rune I think.

[frozen spindle]

I think its better to find the acc in subs + s3 acc, than on a slot 6 acc rune, but you can only do what your runes allow

[tacit dome]

Would like some suggestions for vs odin tesa riley. I don't feel safe shooting it with covenant.

[tacit dome]

Yeah that is what I wanted to try to do, I just don't have strong enough accuracy subs and my accuracy right side for skill 3 on attack types is pretty nonexistent

[frozen spindle]

My fav js bale queb katarina if you hve kat fused

Just put +wind on kat, and can be on slow build

[tacit dome]

I do have her fused

Is it swift bale?

[frozen spindle]

Slow bale too

Pretty much bj5 bale, but with more crit

Odin wont steal immunity from kat cuz he’ll target queb

[gleaming vapor]

can't u just mephisto kona/racuni kahli that?

what

to kill odin turn 1?

[tacit dome]

i feel like it should be possible

i also own 2 mephistos

[gleaming vapor]

was pretty safe when I used it

[tacit dome]

mephisti

mephistoses?

[gleaming vapor]

LOL

If you want to wait on jx/ent go ahead

BUT

I used it without fails bunch of time

[tacit dome]

i'm gonna test it

[gleaming vapor]

I don't rly see an odin living kahli s2

[jolly swift]

I Said that because my guild built a super tanky odin but idk how common it is

It was like + 25k ish and full -fire

[thin oxide]

i'm pretty sure we talked about this a few times no?

if you want to cov it you need to use a fast garo/laika to clean up and add dmg

meph kahli is great too

kona is the simplest +1, although there is a not too hard to imagine world where atk buff tesa gets a few procs and kills you 2v3

safer would be to use woosa, and just tune kahli to meph. you'll have enough dmg to 1 shot odin even without atk buff

if you want to be even safer can use woosa s2 to fluff odin

[tacit dome]

if we have, my apologies, my memory really isn't what it used to be, i'm trying to write more down so i won't ask the same question again

I actually was thinking about shren mephisto since the healing could help and you dodge -element

I feel like this makes it safer, but maybe not 🤔

[tacit dome]

Today's logs

[tacit dome]

this is actually in the opposite order the attacks were done (#10 was first attack)
#1 is very bad, think if I want to bruiser this I need to use racuni, still not sure to be honest about hitting this one, it's very sketchy
#2 - standard
#3 - grego debut. think this defense was really bad, but the offense is fine
#4 - fine but a bit risky. need to build another racuni
#5 - standard, still no ryan built
#6 - not good. it's swift set race on even grounds. i think maybe susano kona covenant. covenant was on ~110k ehp + violent (weird build) to try to make it safer after shooting carcano.
#7 - 'I don't know how to use camilla against dominic on bruiser build. This should have been a loss. She was melting the whole time. Actually having more trouble using bruiser build :(
#8 - not good. to be honest still not really sure about this one.
#9 - standard
#10 - this was something creative. i really liked this offense a lot. dong is crazy good here. think dong makes this very safe

[old marsh]

my eyes are really bad, is #10 using a suiki or a kinki (i imagine kinki, but want to double check)

[tacit dome]

it's suiki, i don't own kinki haha

it's okay its hard to see, its kind of small

i have trouble with that kind of stuff all the time

[fallow sail]

Idr if you have, but a concept I’ve played with is mo Raki Riley, with riley on multiple will sets

[tacit dome]

this is a very interesting idea

i do have all nat 5s for this

i feel like vamp mo makes it very safe

also how to use camilla into dominic on bruiser build?

is it just too squishy?

i used -wind ofc

entire time she is melting

[thin oxide]

she doesn't actually tank dom forever and will lose the destroy war

i think your problem with that team is that there was no way for you to kill anything fast

while you can use camilla to tank dom it's not her best role

i'd save her for something else

wind dd is probably better here too so yo ucan kill chandra first and not have to deal with things getting hugged

so best would be like feng vela talc

f2p can be like roid riley/racuni talc

for the carc orion stuff you just let the people with faster runes or premium spd options (gin dova etc) outspeed and cleave

against the iris if you want to tractor lulu windy it could try tetra over lulu. too easy for lulu to get lockeddown

against the grego you can 2nd turn cleave it. triana + galleon + something or triana + fran + bomber

[tacit dome]

"#3 camilla to me is now a top tier super valuable siege offense mon, on par with feng and even better than leo for me. should always be using her to tank something that's otherwise difficult to tank (seara/dom/sav + theo or cc that makes other tanks less viable)" I was remembering this when I decided to take Camilla over talc. Was I misreading this?

[tacit dome]

Yeah this felt super super awkward. He kept double hugging and I didn't really know what to do when that happened

Oh man. Feng vela talc. That is so cool. What an interesting offense idea. I just get worried about lack of sustain when running talc but I'll ask to test it this week

[fallow sail]

In my opinion cami is probably the best elemental offense unit at this point

The amount of unit pairings she just walls is unhealthy

[tacit dome]

I just don't understand how to use her on this build

I want to. I know she is good but I don't know where I'm going wrong.

I am curious because most of the offenses I see involve Juno as well. But I know racuni can be used in her place

[fallow sail]

Honestly

My cami build looks like yours

[tacit dome]

Camilla windy racuni? Seara nora kinki?

[fallow sail]

No not there

For that you just use Tesa chacha Racuni

[tacit dome]

Feels like I need two more racunis

I am using him 2x every siege

I do want to try bringing Camilla into seara

By the way. Just to reiterate. I always try to read and make notes, my memory is just poor and sometimes I need to be taught twice. I hope you all understand it's never because I'm not interested or paying attention :D I am super grateful for the knowledge. Bit of a slow and steady learner but I think I'm getting there. I was very proud of that dong offense earlier since I had come up with it. I love theory crafting offenses.

[fallow sail]

You’re 1 step ahead of me

I don’t even take notes

And when I do I usually don’t read them

[thin oxide]

you didn't read it wrong i just didn't really explain the nuances

the emphasis i was trying to make is that camilla shines because she can often tank multiple threats at once, something that not much other stuff can do

not that she is particularly good at tanking only dom. or only sav. or only seara

[fallow sail]

Yeah people don’t realize the big thing about cami is she auto cleanses

[thin oxide]

for example against dom alone talc is great

but if it's like dom + nora: then talc would struggle

cami would hold better than talc in that situation

[fallow sail]

Cami is honestly a broken unit

The amount of stuff her old kit walled was ridiculous

You basically can treat her in a lot of cases as a pseudo windy

[thin oxide]

rakan is not nearly as much of a threat to talc as nora can be

[fallow sail]

In that she both tanks elemental pairings

And sustains the team

[tacit dome]

You also have an outstanding memory and unparalleled critical thinking in terms of possibilities

[tacit dome]

This is what I am trying to take advantage of, but nobody builds dom on crate so it's hard

Also Google knows where to get the good info I guess

Ignore the 2 am typos X)

[tacit dome]

This makes more sense. I remember using talc into dom nora and having difficulties from the constant provoke

[thin oxide]

oh i guess i'm mostly thinking of the specific offense of feng talc vela

lots of buffs there that can get stripped by nora, but vs rakan you have immunity

if we're just saying like some f2p roid racuni talc, rakan has a provoke and strip here that can mess up talc as well

[tacit dome]

So the defense buff and recover are protecting the immunity here

That is so smart

I know it isn't guaranteed still but that is such a smart way of doing it

[thin oxide]

no its more like

[tacit dome]

I know rakan s3 only strips one buft

[thin oxide]

rakan has aoe provoke but only single target strip

[tacit dome]

I had no idea

[thin oxide]

he can't strip talc unless he provokes him first, causing talc to target him and then he counters into strip

[tacit dome]

I understand now

[thin oxide]

so if you're using a team with no immunity

then yea it can also get a bit dangerous with talc

[tacit dome]

I thought rakan strip was in aoe

But I am reading now and seeing

[civic steeple]

I think you need to run more cleanse into the iunu vigor figaro. I personaly believe figaro to be fake (havent faced it a lot tho, only like 4 or 5 sieges), so i think i'd run like lulu triana+1 wind bruiser and just cleanse the few bombs that he lands

Also like the idea of using racuni, but i'm not sure how well suiki Tanks iunu, or other bruisers in General. Maybe you can malite that def tho?

[tacit dome]

#1 absolutely. I believe that the dong counter allows you to just have racuni, but yeah, otherwise I definitely will approach differently
Problem I'm facing a lot of sieges is I only have 2 trianas and I need to make more

I just built suiki extremely tanky to make it work with -wind

[civic steeple]

well tbh triana is just there so that in the very unlikely event of figaro strip> vigor defbreak > iunu s2+s1 into lulu you have a chance to survive

another option could be khmun lulu roid so you divide the dmg coming from vigor and iunu

[tacit dome]

The problem I was having is that these people were running despair figaro

Despair revenge

It was some crazy stuff

[civic steeple]

and very nice if the dong counter works, sometimes it´s good to be creative and i´ll try to remember the idea for myself ;))

[tacit dome]

The bombs were just tickle

[civic steeple]

hmmm can imagine the "25%" to be annoying

[tacit dome]

Yeah when I was running it with delphoi I kept getting stunned and I lucksacked the win

The whole time

I was

ing

[civic steeple]

could also run lulu delphoi jultan

funny enough

[tacit dome]

I wish I could rune jultan

I actually runed him very poorly this time

[civic steeple]

my friend from 2nd ranked guild told me of how they dealt with all the vigor lm/figaro cc defs

by using jultan delphoi and triana

[tacit dome]

[civic steeple]

but triana

hf building more

[tacit dome]

I swapped my chacha set to jultan

Hint: it wasn't good

[civic steeple]

ehh

i do that too most of the time

[nocturne ridge]

Here are the requested monsters.

therionshadow1 - Chacha and Friends

Full views:
#1 Chacha and Friends
#2 Chacha and Friends

#1 Revenge, Revenge, Revenge

HP%, HP%, RES

HP: 38311
DEF: 1753
ATK: 872
SPD: 194
CR: 20%
CD: 50%
ACC: 12%
RES: 100%
EHP: 278731
Effcy: 100.31%

#2 Revenge, Revenge, Revenge

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 38023
DEF: 1526
ATK: 795
SPD: 194
CR: 21%
CD: 54%
ACC: 25%
RES: 35%
EHP: 246427
Effcy: 96.80%

provided by SWARFARM

[civic steeple]

insnt it 100 res full hp?

[tacit dome]

i just don't have depth to build a set

[civic steeple]

why wouödnt the first one be good

[tacit dome]

Too squishy

[civic steeple]

ah actually i guess you can drop res due to acc lead

[tacit dome]

[civic steeple]

yeah makes sense

forgot iunu has acc lead

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Here are the requested monsters.

jx297 - Jultan

Full views:
#1 Jultan
#2 Jultan

#1 Revenge, Revenge, Revenge

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 50402
DEF: 1488
ATK: 1104
SPD: 203
CR: 20%
CD: 50%
ACC: 30%
RES: 27%
EHP: 319951
Effcy: 104.81%

#2 Revenge, Revenge, Revenge

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 49243
DEF: 1385
ATK: 877
SPD: 219
CR: 27%
CD: 55%
ACC: 44%
RES: 21%
EHP: 294842
Effcy: 102.17%

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[civic steeple]

wait 38k hp????

total

[tacit dome]

[civic steeple]

yeah i agree that´s squishy

xD

uhh also for the chandra rakan dom

[tacit dome]

i think it works on chacha

but work to be done

[civic steeple]

why not use wind over cami?

windy

[tacit dome]

so basically i talked about it before

there was sort of a misunderstanding i had with a recommendation jx had given

[civic steeple]

ah yeah i read that dw

tldr: talc> cami in this def

*vs this def

[tacit dome]

Unless you do funny meme build where tanky water angel lady, but it's waste of camilla

[civic steeple]

was just thinking about using windy to tank rakan and dom cuz i thought he´d be able to, and chandra doesnt really matter

but tbh even rakan and chandra going on your fire units won´t kill them ever so you might as well just use the better dom tank talc

[tacit dome]

I get nervous whenever I use talc against dom to be honest

I haven't lost yet but it always feels like I'm going to get destroyed too much to the point of where the passive stops working

[civic steeple]

don´t worry

i do to

too

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Here is the requested monster.

therionshadow1 - Talc

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#1 Talc

#1 Energy, Energy, Focus

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 51563
DEF: 1389
ATK: 763
SPD: 194
CR: 26%
CD: 50%
ACC: 43%
RES: 15%
EHP: 309455
Effcy: 106.27%

provided by SWARFARM

[tacit dome]

like the whole time i'm sitting there freaking out XD

[civic steeple]

i rarely use him nowadays

yeah and he seems so useless

he just sits there and slowly gets his hp destroyed

[tacit dome]

he is great, it's just very scary

[civic steeple]

then he get´s stun brand and anti heal

and you cant heal him with racuni

[tacit dome]

i really want to put a 286 violent set on racuni but i literally can't

since i'm using all my racuni every siege

too slow rune

[civic steeple]

i have no idea how you do siege without swapping sets

but i also have like 0 depth

[tacit dome]

i have had to do a lot of swapping

[civic steeple]

or atleast that´s what it feels like

[tacit dome]

it's impossible

some monsters i don't

i'm trying to do it less

like i have two malites on equal builds roughly

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Here are the requested monsters.

therionshadow1 - Malite

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#1 Malite
#2 Malite

#1 Will, Destroy

HP%, DEF%, RES

HP: 30390
DEF: 2205
ATK: 672
SPD: 165
CR: 24%
CD: 55%
ACC: 39%
RES: 117%
EHP: 269179
Effcy: 103.07%

#2 Endure, Will, Destroy

HP%, HP%, DEF%

HP: 33017
DEF: 2137
ATK: 835
SPD: 173
CR: 24%
CD: 50%
ACC: 31%
RES: 104%
EHP: 284590
Effcy: 100.88%

provided by SWARFARM

[civic steeple]

ah yeah

[tacit dome]

it's not significant difference in my mind

[civic steeple]

those kinda things i can still do too

[tacit dome]

for monsters that like

nobody else uses these rune

[civic steeple]

but all the vio units i swap

[tacit dome]

it's fine

[civic steeple]

basically

[tacit dome]

if you watch my siege stream

i sit there with a calculator

calculating speed and stuff the whole time :D

[civic steeple]

for ticks?

and ehp?

[tacit dome]

yeah that stuff

i actually really enjoy doing it

but yeah i gotta improve the racuni set i'm swapping

this one is just not good enough tbh

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Here is the requested monster.

therionshadow1 - Racuni

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#1 Racuni

#1 Violent

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 34644
DEF: 1302
ATK: 800
SPD: 250
CR: 23%
CD: 59%
ACC: 4%
RES: 76%
EHP: 197366
Effcy: 95.87%

provided by SWARFARM

[civic steeple]

ye pretty low hp for only 76 res

hmm actually it´s not that bad, forgot his base stats are not that high

[tacit dome]

they are low

but it's still not enough

[civic steeple]

well for a leftoverish set it´s good

[tacit dome]

it can't be that anymore

i think

[civic steeple]

[tacit dome]

when i use racuni 3x per siege you know

[civic steeple]

makes sense

yeah

wowi just checked my last siege and i runeswapped so much

[tacit dome]

yeah that's been mood to be honets

[civic steeple]

had to face mihyang eshir monte way too much

[tacit dome]

i can't hit that shit

what are you hitting with?

[civic steeple]

cuz my guildies were too pepega to hit it

ah

[tacit dome]

oh

if its secret tech no worries

[civic steeple]

ah no

orochi bernard cov

khmun triana roid

and after that it turns into more whacky shit

did jultan vigro triana and khmun vigor triana

cuz both have a bit 2v3 potential

jultan less, but he has the chance of draeing eshirs aggro

and i gave my jultan a pretty nice vio destroy set

[tacit dome]

this is some new meta tech

[civic steeple]

i think this is what ct used against that def too, afaik the safest t2 option but so far i unfortunately only have one roid

[tacit dome]

it feels very unsafe

[civic steeple]

well it´s t2

[tacit dome]

yeah

[civic steeple]

which is generally unsafe vs monte shir

[quartz crescent]

Roid Triana can bail out a lot of Matchups Actually

But if possible cleave is easiest

[tacit dome]

to be honest fayris it's a skill issue on my behalf

[civic steeple]

yeah but if roid gets sniped it´s pretty bad

[tacit dome]

i should just have 10 trianas

[civic steeple]

yeah you should

[quartz crescent]

Triana is insane right now yes

[civic steeple]

ah i forgot one therion

[tacit dome]

idiot without runes tries to play g3 siege with only 2 trianas

share

[civic steeple]

i used icaru chilling elucia

[tacit dome]

i feel like i don't like this one

[civic steeple]

vs a tanky vio full offwill build

had info

[tacit dome]

against mihyang

[civic steeple]

[tacit dome]

ah

if its scouted sure

[civic steeple]

yeah

[tacit dome]

otherwise i don't like

[civic steeple]

otherwise wouldn´t use either

i´d say like orochi bernard cov, galleon julie benard, susano wayne cov are safest

[tacit dome]

it just sucks to be a turn 2 player in 4 stars towers atm xd

[tacit dome]

no acc

[civic steeple]

this my vigor rn

[tacit dome]

sus

[quartz crescent]

Its good to be versatile and have turn 1 options because in fact once with Info

[civic steeple]

i don´t een think it´s on tick

ut i love the atk

[quartz crescent]

Most defs will be food

[tacit dome]

next season that's the plan

[civic steeple]

[quartz crescent]

Options will come with time easily

I often see myself waiting out members to scout and afterwards clear with Lushen if possible or the likes

[tacit dome]

this one i'm playing with too much gaps in so many areas to do much turn 1
i do a few turn 1 but very few

[civic steeple]

no acc here either

[quartz crescent]

Add Damage Attack Vigor

interesting

[civic steeple]

i have no idea what i was cooking there

[tacit dome]

sus

i mean look at the attack stat

[quartz crescent]

Yeah but HP is still the major scaling factor in his skills no?

Those feel like 1.5 Julie Arts already

[tacit dome]

definitely

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Vigor (Water Werewolf)

Wikia

3. Shred

Attacks an enemy 3 times. Each attack has a 35% chance to decrease the enemy's Defense for 3 turns. The damage of this attack increases according to your MAX HP. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +15%

Multiplier

1.4*{ATK} + 0.1*{MAX HP} x3

Neg. Effects

Decrease DEF (3 round(s))

provided by SWARFARM

[civic steeple]

ah need 2a

[nocturne ridge]

Never heard of this monster before. :(

[civic steeple]

[civic steeple]

i stole one from her

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[civic steeple]

but yes optimal build would be max cr and hih acc

with a lot of hp

this build di pretty sick dmg too tho

on that t noe

i love the new werewolf skin

could only afford vigor skin for now

but eshir and jultan are next in line for transmog stones

[civic steeple]

don´t judge, i´m just a washed up player trying to have fun

[inland sedge]

Oh for iunu vigor figaro

Just gun rat dog

Shoot vigor easy clap

Altho if you don’t have decent +water maybe shooting vigor is scary

[fallow sail]

Iirc you can just do smth like tetra Triana +1 into it

[inland sedge]

Tetra I feel is a little scary into iunu no

But yeah it neutralizes the figaro

I did hraes triana tetra into this a while ago was ok

[tacit dome]

hp > flat atk and use? this is a weird rune

[inland sedge]

icaru

verad

[tacit dome]

ahhh

[inner gull]

Hi, sorry this is off topic, but how do you get your siege logs formatted this way?

[tacit dome]

no problem - its swgt, not off topic at all

[fallow sail]

hows it goin

[inner gull]

Thanks!

[tacit dome]

fine so far, think we pulled two very weak guilds

[fallow sail]

yeah these two suck

[tacit dome]

think #2 i should probably just use poseidon

#7 was a bit odd but i wanted to dodge -element and at least make it so the nana wasn't guaranteed to go for shren

the rest i think are standard

[quartz crescent]

CP into a fire Unit like Jeo or Poseidon is a bit iffy from my experiences

Too much out of control if the Jeo can trap you

[tacit dome]

yeah i actually missed all pushbacks on jeogun and defense break

[quartz crescent]

3: is good if you had info

But generally it looks solid I think

[tacit dome]

which other fire unit did you mean here?

i've been doing this all the time recently lol

[quartz crescent]

Nora for example

[tacit dome]

oh yeah

against nora i would not

[quartz crescent]

She just screams anti CP

[tacit dome]

yeah i don't do it against nora

think i made that mistake once already actually

[fallow sail]

For 2 don’t you have 2 mephisto

[tacit dome]

you're right

i need to build him

mephisto is crazy useful in our sieges honestly

there's so many defenses i get to cheese

even at 5* he still cheese this one for sure

[fallow sail]

Gimme him then

[tacit dome]

no mine!

i actually used him 5* the other day in siege offense with a 5* dova also

XD

[ruby torrent]

My tiana

[tacit dome]

Great job in siege Jerry <3

[ruby torrent]

Likewise

[gleaming vapor]

Maybe we get matched if gen doesn't climbs too high next siegeb

[sacred fossil]

That would be something lmao

[gleaming vapor]

Would be fun

[fallow sail]

BRB hunting down your defenses

You’re a slowpoke too right

[inland sedge]

hi jerry

big fan

[gleaming vapor]

Brb removing all my defs

[fallow sail]

Gimme my free pts

[gleaming vapor]

Maybe yes maybe not 😉

I'll hunt down yours and ther too

[tacit dome]

you think this guild uses my defenses?

[ruby torrent]

omg hi furyn

[tacit dome]

When I am doing tesa Leo Lulu vs Clara theo savannah, I am assuming I want Leo on def def def?

I had a loss today for the first time with this offense

[thin oxide]

no

both clara and theo can still def break leo

[tacit dome]

I guess just unlucky. I got full team stunned on 100% res and proc'd on

[thin oxide]

yes it happens. the recommendation is to use tetra over lulu

so you can at least still heal somewhat if you're stunned

overall nothing will ever be 100%

[tacit dome]

Will write this down

[tacit dome]

@thin oxide i tried a counter we discussed for geldnir tesa liu mei. I ended up in an infinite battle with geldnir and it felt very unsafe from the start - jultan got absolutely mauled

i also fully rune swapped so i'm not sure where i went wrong

going to post runes

i see one thing i screwed up. left side artifact on susano is wrong. but i still feel like it was impossible even with that

[thin oxide]

wait are you sure we suggested this team

jultan isn't really a tank. he's more of a bruiser. can handle liu mei by herself but not liu mei + another dd

this is a malite + 2 water

[tacit dome]

Yes#1088229055976976445 message

[craggy hornet]

jx9

[Message Link](#1088229055976976445 message) to #1088229055976976445
for this one i'd try something like susano elucia jultan/jubelle/dias/etc

Req. by Therion (they/them). Quote from · Apr 14, 2023, 1:12 AM

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I was going to do grego but it said "jultan and dias in particular are nice because they have heal block"

[thin oxide]

OH

its susano elucia

sorry was thinking susano lulu

did jultan just almost die turn 1?

[tacit dome]

Yes and despair LM stun elucia

I proc'd and healed but still died

Jultan did not get a turn

[thin oxide]

maybe just unlucky

but a few things

i like max res susano

he already had 50 feels like a waste not to get the other 50

[tacit dome]

Okay. I will start looking out for runes there.

[thin oxide]

it's really good against LM no one is building her max acc

[tacit dome]

It was a revenge tesa too

[thin oxide]

yea

[tacit dome]

So I got oblivion'd once and almost died to that.

[thin oxide]

i also like max res elucia here more than max acc

i doubt they will be on max res

next time save the replay

for safer first turn you can put things on will

especially with a monster like elucia that can more or less perma control someone after turn 1

like max res with will elucia greatly reduces chance of getting despair stunned by lm turn 1

even better is if you can put a shield set somewhere but thats a bit hard sometimes

[tacit dome]

Okay

I'll make these adjustments for next time, and also I will start saving my replays every time I lose so I can show the piloting

[thin oxide]

not even just the piloting, it's good to see how a real battle goes and you can sort of tell if you just got unlucky, outruned, or maybe i made a bad team suggestion

[tacit dome]

I feel like it is unsafe with jultan

I know with dias its fine

But with jultan it's very scary

I don't own dias though :(

[thin oxide]

were you able to control tesa?

[tacit dome]

Only after jultan died

[thin oxide]

dias doesn't necessarily help vs tesa since he can oblivion

[tacit dome]

I think next time I want to bring 100% res

100% res and will

Or just will maybe. But I definitely dont want to get owned turn 1 like that

Also I think that it would help potentially to have susano on destroy here

[tacit dome]

I had an idea today that I'm going to test out, but I was curious if anyone has tried out triple revenge tesa in the leo tesa lulu variant vs Clara sav theo?

[thin oxide]

i have one it's really good

i don't use this into clara theo sav but in general yes triple rev is a good build

[tacit dome]

I feel like it could be very solid built this way. If you can get one oblivion vs theo you have a decent chance I feel of being able to continously apply it. The thing that I am concerned about there is losing the passive damage reduction. But I feel like you go -water here and tank out theo while giving your team a bit more safety. And you should be bulky enough either way with having the bonus stats from leo on the field

Either way going to test it out and see what I end up with.

[thin oxide]

anytime you use a monster that can potentially get hit by all 3 members of the enemy def (whether its via aoe, or just natural targeting due to elemental weakness)

triple rev is great

[tacit dome]

That's what I'm thinking.

[inland sedge]

would you run this if tesa was the main dd of the comp?

my worry is with leo tesa lulu u might get stalled out dmg wise on triple rev

theo clara sav yeah i think its nice

as long as you dont get stunned

eh i change my mind - i dont know if i like it here - you're win condition is killing 1 thing fast and oblvion is just ok here