#GB12 Team?

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spare seal
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monsters are not easy to get

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2 2as are extremely resource intensive

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and on top of that, both 2as are very hard to farm at b5 for a new player

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generally for tatu you'll be farming b3/4 because b5 is water and u need to run all fire

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and sath b5 is pretty difficult as well, generally will be looking at b4

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but are they 2a'd

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and also, new players dont run lushen in dot team either way

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and also, dot team is not consistent 30 seconds

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there are runs where everything goes perfectly

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u have to understand that dhole energy is very precious

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and regens very slowly

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and the mons used in dot team are barely transferable

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so stop working on dots NOW

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if u already have sig

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take a look at this:

lusty sapphireBOT
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Diliskar

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Thoughts on other GB12 teams

They all work. PvE in this game has been made easy enough that there are multiple great options. This includes other Vero teams with Bernard/Bella, as well as dot teams with Mellia. Again as I said at the beginning I'm not here to tell you this is the right way to do things, or that other options won't work. Because they will work. But here's why I chose this team instead of others:

Why did I not go for dot team? It's a lot more work to get a dot team started. You need two 2As (Sath and Tatu) which are not easy. I'm also not sure about the reliability of a starter dot team (my GB12 team is already 100%... without even farming any giants at all). Now I will give you that once you get a decent dot team going, the investment to get a Vero team down to 1 minute might be on par with that investment for a 1 minute dot team. Eventually, if you want to optimize these teams, the fastest possible Vero team is faster than the fastest possible dot team. And thinking even further ahead, if you ever want to go for the best possible speed teams regardless of what it is, those involve tricaru and not mellias. So to sum up:

  • Early game: Vero team > Dot team (in terms of investment to get a GB12 team started)
  • Mid game: Vero team = Dot team (in terms of investment to get a ~1 min stable team)
  • Late game: Vero team > Dot team (fastest Vero team = 35s avg, fastest Dot team = 40s avg)
  • End game: Tricaru team is best overall (avg 25-30s)

TL;DR - Dot team is great and will work as advertised. But it is never the best at any point in the game in terms of speed or investment.

What about other variants of beginner Vero teams? Specifically ones that involve Bernard and Bella? Simply put, these will work just as well for giants. However, the next part of progression after GB12 is 2a inu team, which will require Fran and Loren. Bernard and Bella just do not work as well there.

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spare seal
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yes, that would be the next step

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?justdoit

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?beginner

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question: do you get a rune set tailored to sigmarus through the fusion event or no

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you do, right?

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like if u fused vero u get a violent set, if u fuse sig i'm guessing you get some rage DD set or something?

versed gulch
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no the set, if one is given, should be the same (dont believe there is a fusion set given for fusing a nat 5 anymore, it moved to fusing mellia)

spare seal
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ah i see

dim igloo
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Just wanna point out that those are records, not averages

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For example, if you were to inspect me, you would see a 30s twins loren team for db12 because i was feeling wacky

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But the team doesnt even work consisently

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So yeah, in short dont trust records

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And as callum said, beginners cant lushen gb12 that easily

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So it would be just as slow as a loren fran team

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?gb12

lusty sapphireBOT
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Order the GB12 team is upgraded and avg times

  1. Sig Vero Fran Loren Shannon 3:00
  2. Sig Vero Fran Loren Kro(2A) 1:20-1:50
  3. Sig Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2A) 1:00-1:20
  4. Lushen Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2) 0:24-1:00

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below=

Sig - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Vero - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - SPD/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

  1. acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,vero,shannon)
  2. Turn order loren > Fran/vero/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
  3. Vero and shannon stay 5*

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB12 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

  1. Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
  2. Vero can be moved to a bruiser build
  • SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
  • Vero can now become 6*'ed and is worth devilmoning
  1. Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
  2. Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)
  3. Hraesvelg replaces fran
  • Stats should be - SPD/CD/HP, 130k ehp, 169 spd and moving before sig and kro, 70+ CR, rest into att/CD
  1. Turn order for team #3: Loren > vero > hraes > sig > kro(2a)

WHEN TO ADD LUSHEN TO MY GB12 TEAM

  1. when you get toward the end of progression, hit 10.3k per card with skill 3 and get him to at least 170 combat speed
dim igloo
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You start with the shannon version

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Since the runes you get from it is free

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Then you upgrade to kro versions after some farming

versed gulch
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?justdoit team then u move on to ?gb12 command

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just to clarify

spare seal
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doesnt matter just do it

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💪

versed gulch
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fusion chart is in #1048681073502068917 with where all of the mon for sig, can be found

spare seal
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it's in the beginner event

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go to summoners way -> beginner event -> part 1

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all 4 rune sets for everyone taht isn't fran is there, fran's comes from the fusion event

spare seal
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so, you remember doing the beginner rune event?

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where you got the sets for loren, sigmarus, etc.?

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and you're just missing veros?

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if you scroll to the bottom of this it shows u what the stats of the veromos set looks like

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@median island

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it's just violent in a different language

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just look at the rune pic instead of the text]

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the numbers will all be the same

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and yes it's the bottom 6

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for your initial team yes

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no, don't bother runing him until you start breaking into rifts

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he's a great +1 DD for every single rift but not worth runing as you break through gb12

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it's a great pull but neglect him for now as u set up gb12

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first 6 are lapis runes

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the mons in justdoit aren't runed the same

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?justdoit

lusty sapphireBOT
spare seal
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not looking at the album but just match it up with these

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yes

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frans may have rolled differently for you because they come unupgraded unlike the other 4, so they'll be different, but they're the set from the fusion event

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and loren/sig/shannon/vero are +15'd and everyone has the same set

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👍 get those artifacts from sf2/pc2 and get that shannon up :)

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and then u'll be all set

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(once fran is set and everything is 6*'d etc etc just read ?justdoit lul)

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yes, +12 and +15

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yea that sounds right

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?ehop

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?ehp

lusty sapphireBOT
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Effective HP (eHP)
A function of health and defense that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken under normal conditions.
Defense Broken HP (D.eHP)
Another factor of EHP that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken while DEF broken.
Both can be checked with the command /ehp TotalHP TotalDEF (use in #bot-commands).

gentle creek
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just do all

dim igloo
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Yes but it will be unecessarely harder

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Also why wouldnt you awaken her

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Shes essential for most of pve