HOI4 (Hearts of Iron 4) | 7th Cavalry Gaming Regiment | Page 2

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:25 PM

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I figured it wouldn't be a good idea yet

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:25 PM

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It actually made commander levels realllllly bad

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Im guessing the TW and Vanilla use different systems

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I couldn't get a single Infantry Commander or Tank Commander by 43

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I got 18% of Rommel with Tank commander by the end of the Spanish Civil War

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:28 PM

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They use different systems

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They have different trait trees and XP requirements too

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It might happen...

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It's so close

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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What special forces are you using?

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I've been using moutaineers and the SS which count as special forces.

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Apparently the game wants you to focus on the SS as Germany

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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I haven't been using special forces at all, really

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Mountaineers are really good

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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As of now I've kept everything standardized

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Much better than vanilla

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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1943 Offensive has brought me to the gates of Moscow

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Victory is possible, still

stuck cradle Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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So allies tomorrow lol

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what countries are we playing?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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If my duty section doesn't put me on watch, I can make it

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got weekend duty but I should be able to if my leadership cool

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This air war was brutal in the East

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but I have essentially eliminated about 3/4 of the Soviet airforce

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new airforce strat worked

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I did it kinda by accident early on, and realized what it would end up as, and went "fuck yeah"

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:39 PM

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I can handle the USSR just enough but its the US bombers that eventually form a critical mass. It hasn't happened every game though

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Ill have all my heavy fighters just holding the heavy bombers off which does work well enough

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I've actually been building state AA in a few provinces. Its much more useful in TW

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Same

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Just encircled all of Operation Dragoon

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Also I don't give AA to all of my infantry. Only 50% get AT and AA. They use fuel

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It's how I managed to game the fuel situation

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:41 PM

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I got everyone on motorized logistics and full motorized supply hubs

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Fuel consumption couldn't be higher

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:42 PM

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dunno how you pull that off lol

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:42 PM

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I've got green on fuel

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🙂

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Whole army is running rn in Russia

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:43 PM

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How do you have 243 oil?

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Did you take the russians?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:43 PM

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good question

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and no

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Austria, Bohemia, Weser-Ems oil fields

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Excavation decisions + the focuses for austria and bohemian oil

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as well as romanian oil

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Air Force smacks anything it sees

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FW190 with Focke Wulf designer

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:45 PM

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karmic prairie Excavation decisions + the focuses for austria and bohemian oil

I've done all of that. 243 is even more than what USSR has. Weird.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Importing 105, exporting 84

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Who sells it to you?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Now exporting 56, since i Just realized I should drop my eco law

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snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:47 PM

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I can't get Romania to go above like 40 lmao

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Romania be a hoe in my game

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:47 PM

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They eventually will when they hit a certain focus

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:47 PM

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Ah

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:47 PM

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and they'll double their oil and give you rights to it

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at least part of it

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:47 PM

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How many refineries do you have

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:48 PM

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where would i see the number?

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Good question

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:49 PM

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About 22 or so

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from counting

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Building more w/ AA

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Whats your navy look like?

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Im really enjoying the naval game

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:51 PM

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I've had to ignore it due to managing the other fronts

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I built it up quite a bit, but I haven't deployed it

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Refitted all of the old Deutschland ships with extra AA and fire control

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:51 PM

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I keep it in the Baltic until leningrad falls

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The shore bombardment is stupid

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:52 PM

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Is it worth?

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:52 PM

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Oh yea

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That and Railway guns

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lol

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:52 PM

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I might deploy it then soon

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:52 PM

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They combine to give you a stupid bonus

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:52 PM

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But I'm in the battle of Moscow rn

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So far winning, Manstein leading the way

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:54 PM

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About to try a game with Goring instead of Shacht

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:54 PM

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stuck cradle So allies tomorrow lol

Should be a good game now that Canada is fixed

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:54 PM

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HUZZAH

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GET FUCKED COMMIES

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Hell yea

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Moscow falling has given me a massive supply boost, while crippling the entire Soviet supply line

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They are so fucked now

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I may have finally won, but I shouldn't speak so soon

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Allies are up to something

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Also, dual purpose AA is nice (Flak 88)

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:04 PM

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karmic prairie Also, dual purpose AA is nice (Flak 88)

Yea i noticed its the only motorized AA there is

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:04 PM

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There's a focus that gives the Heavy AA with maxed AT ammo

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Did you use heavy arty at all

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:04 PM

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I did not use it

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Mainly just light and medium

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Signal companies are beautiful though

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Basically free org

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:05 PM

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What are you tank templats

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:05 PM

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since it is one of the few support companies that adds org in TW

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Not the greatest, but it has done me proud

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:06 PM

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Did you phase out lights?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:06 PM

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Got me Moscow, and yeah

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I had plans for them, but forgot about it

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Was gonna have some combined arms infantry with lights

stuck cradle Apr 7, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Am I going US?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Only things I'm low on are Inf. equipment, Sup. Equipment, Med Arty, and Light AA

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If we do Total War Allies, then I'm down for US or Soviet

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But if I go Soviet, I'll need a coop

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:08 PM

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karmic prairie If we do Total War Allies, then I'm down for US or Soviet

We should probably just do Vanilla if we go allies

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Otherwise it's impossible

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Japan in Vanilla is a cakewalk

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in TW their navy is a threat

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Which medium tank line did you research or did you research both. I've been doing the Panzer IV because it leads to Tigers

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At first I tried research both lines but its just to much

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:17 PM

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I went Panzer III and Stug III

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now on Panther and 2nd to last Stug

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Interesting. I go for the focus that gives the Stug. There pretty good

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:19 PM

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I wound up focusing on air force a lot

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I go Fighter, Heavy Fighter, Stuka CAS, light bomber, NAV and Flying boat

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Flying boat does the patrol mission and the NAV does the killing

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:20 PM

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That is exactly what I am doing lol

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Light bomber production has been halted for a long time now, due to factory damages

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Haven't really needed them, nor researched them

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Just went full Stukas and FWs

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boutta get the Ta fighter now

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Yea I haven't gotten to them in any of my games yet but it looks like jet powered stuff is much better than vanilla. Much more range as well

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 4:43 PM

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June 1944, still working at the Soviet line

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Algeria and Tunisia are lost, but Italy is holding Libya

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We took Egypt and Middle East, so they can hold it easy

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https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-hear-no-bell-randy-marsh-south-park-s9e5-the-losing-edge-gif-22282212

Tenor

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Operation Bagration is coming

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OH SHIT

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JAPAN MY BOY

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:07 PM

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I figured out my issue with Portugal armies

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it wasn't my tempalte

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it was my commanders, they're complete asscheeks

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once I started handing out medals and promoting some useful generals, my templates walked through enemies.

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Those multiplies are a big difference maker I guess...lesson learned.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Commanders have a limited impact on the army, but one that gives SOMETHING can make the difference

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Chances are there is something else that changed

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:09 PM

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nothing was different

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only thing I changed was the commanders

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:10 PM

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HAHAHA

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I got Switzerland to send me guns

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fucking hell, that shouldn't have been possible

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:17 PM

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karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:17 PM

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the hell am i looking at

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XD

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:17 PM

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how fucking hard is it to code an AI to NOT death stack a fucking front line and fuck over supply lines

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:18 PM

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I actually just discovered a way to keep AI off of frontlines that you own

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:18 PM

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like here

if army supply requirement > supply available{
DONT FUCKING PUT THE ARMY THERE
}

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:18 PM

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You can shut off allied supply on the supply hubs by clicking the blue flag

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and the AI will fuck off

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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unfortunately

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it aint my front line

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it's the allies

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i'm but a guest here

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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maybe open a new front?

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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i'm about to pull back

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and just backdoor the allies

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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naval invade somewhere and own it

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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fuck em

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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or that too

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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LOOK AT THIS

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:20 PM

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ah

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:20 PM

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LOL, absurd

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:20 PM

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1945 rn, still fighting like hell

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:20 PM

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I did take the german and italian fleets during the peace conference....a naval invasion is definitely in the cards.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:21 PM

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This game I'm currently running is probably the most fun Germany I've ever done

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AI scares me sometimes, with their counter attacks

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I'll be running them over, then stop to reorg and they'll just hit me over the head

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Rommel is chilling in southern France fighting the allies

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Back to Africa, Rommel

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 5:41 PM

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the soviets are big boned here lol

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 5:41 PM

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there we go

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fuck those commies

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Battle for Stalingrad shall commence soon

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 6:01 PM

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ooof

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 6:01 PM

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youch

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 6:02 PM

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27 divisions total

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moscow is mine

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 6:06 PM

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huzzah

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I'm in Stalingrad, a frozen hellscape rn

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got the best event

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spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 6:18 PM

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stalingrad mine

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 6:18 PM

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noice

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these soviets making me pay for every step of the way

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but they lost their chance at victory back in 43

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is nearly 46 now

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 6:36 PM

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spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 6:51 PM

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karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 6:52 PM

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fokin ell

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Siege of Leningrad

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karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 7:30 PM

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What will it be?

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I'ma take a save and see what happens

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 7:40 PM

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Interesting

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 7:40 PM

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Victory at last

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I'm stopping there, it's getting so slow

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They have a few landings here and there, and Turkey, but I have troops dealing with them now that they are free from the east

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Allies are fucked, Sealion is possible due to the fleet being built up

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Entire eastern airforce coming over and raping the allied airforce

tulip flower Apr 7, 2023, 8:38 PM

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very long ukraine

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 9:40 PM

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Scripted peace deal

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but looks nice ngl

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also I'm good for tomorrow's game, just checked watchbill

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 10:48 PM

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Whatever countries we plan on playing, we def need to do at least one practice run if we haven't played as that country in Total War

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otherwise it'll be agony

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gonna test out a few allies countries to see what I can turn into a monster

snow trout Apr 7, 2023, 11:27 PM

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Lol

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Yea I need to try the allies in TW

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Allies are significantly harder than Axis for sure

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Surviving 1941 as the Soviets is probably the hardest thing I've done in hoi4

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:41 PM

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wait...we're doing TW tomorrow?

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btw, I found out why my army fucking sucked. It had nothing to do with generals and everthing to do with this focus. I'm blind and dumb apparently. Once I clicked this, spain was easy af.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:43 PM

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spring yarrow wait...we're doing TW tomorrow?

Seems to be the case, it's a fun mod worth learning.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:43 PM

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spring yarrow btw, I found out why my army fucking sucked. It had nothing to do with generals ...

And I forget about this focus alot

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so don't feel bad

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:43 PM

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it honestly needs to be the next focus after you form the empire

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lol, i mean, I'm not afraid of showing people I do dumb shit

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that's how you learn

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i'm new to this country...so now I know

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ugh...TW is gonna be a shit show

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https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

Tenor

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^^me trying to figure out industry

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:44 PM

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I wouldn't do Portugal in TW

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:44 PM

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well that was my plan, so now that kinda fucks me lol

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im not playing a commonwealth.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Before I thought it was gonna be for Vanilla if that's what we end up doing

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don't have to

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I don't plan on doing Commonwealth either

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I'm shooting for USA or USSR

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and I'll need a coop either way

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:45 PM

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I just..don't see the point in TW

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it's like HOI4...but with bigger spreadsheets

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:46 PM

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There's significantly more flavor and historically accurate events, and it provides a greater challenge than vanilla.

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Vanilla tends to be a cakewalk 90% of the time

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TW is fairly balanced and the AI puts up a good fight

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I struggled like hell against the USSR but I somehow won it

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Pacific War has actual mechanics that impact the game as well

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:48 PM

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I mean I get it, the industry just puts me off.

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:48 PM

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What specifically?

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It put me off at first as well, but it grew on me

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:48 PM

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the ammount of micro managaing of the industry you have to do

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like....wtf is that

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:49 PM

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You mean the research?

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:49 PM

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like, if I want my guys to have a toothpick in their MRE, I gotta fucking research how to make toothpicks

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dumb af lol

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:49 PM

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Ah

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:50 PM

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like i said the other day, sure, if you've mastered vanilla, TW is the obvious next stepo

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some of us aint there yet

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:50 PM

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For the research on industry, it's all fairly straight forward once you realize there's only a couple things that matter

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:50 PM

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not to mention the player debuffs

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Yall really like getting groin punched I guess, that shit doesn't seem fun to me. ngl

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:51 PM

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You counter the debuffs as you get certain techs (I figured this out today)

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I don't necessarily like being groin punched, but I don't like steamrolling 24/7 either

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:52 PM

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did yall steamroll that allies game?

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:52 PM

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If you mean the one where I was USSR, then yeah I did

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Germans crumbled instantly when I pushed against them

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I let them get to my defensive line, if they even made it there at all

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I had to SLOW DOWN to allow for D-Day to happen, I think

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Vanilla AI is kind of brain dead, and does the same thing basically every time

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Yea, I can see that being boring

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I just started a TW game

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:56 PM

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What country you running?

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:56 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401692

Tenor

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i'm stubborn

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portugal

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lol

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:57 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/rat-thumbs-up-meme-funny-fortune-cookie-gif-25069738

Tenor

spring yarrow Apr 7, 2023, 11:57 PM

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so the animaton didn't play at first

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and for like a solid 40 seconds or so....I was like "wtf does a fortune cookie have to do with this"

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talk about a mindfuck

karmic prairie Apr 7, 2023, 11:58 PM

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lol

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 12:13 AM

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Alright, well....I guess that's a start.

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 12:14 AM

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it is indeed

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 12:15 AM

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sigh, nationalist spain is getting their ass kicked. THat's gonna be a problem for me lol

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karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 12:16 AM

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Oof

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usually they lose initially, then turn it around

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I'm chillin in Voice Room 1 if you wanna vc

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 1:36 PM

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For today's game I'll have to leave for a little bit around 1545 EST

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should be like 45 min or so

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Can make it though

stuck cradle Apr 8, 2023, 2:02 PM

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I have dinner plans at 6pm cst so I have to leave at 5pm cst

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:08 PM

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oof

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Those combined kind of kill the game past 1545 EST

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 2:10 PM

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I'll be back at like 1630 est

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I just have a quick muster at 1600

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Bunnell might as well leave at that point which is kind of pointless. I also have some dinner coming tonight from bob evans which i'll have to throw in the oven when it gets here.

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I forgot all about Easter until last night lol. I dunno what do you guys think

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 2:13 PM

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I'm basically free, got nothing planned

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Just weekend duty stuff

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Muster doesn't take long, just a quick 3 min drive to the building, like 10 min for names and stuff, then 3 min back

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speedbump basically

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Im trying to put my ebay store together is all i got besides throwing the food in the oven. I wouldn't have guessed how much work it actually is to list a couple hundred items.

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Are you and Warren still wanting to COOP USA? That would actually work if so

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 2:22 PM

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either that or I play portugal however this mod does funky shit with spain

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ie: spain is non-aligned after nationalist spain won the civil war ?????

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if we coop then we can keep the game rolling while he does muster stuff while I manage things while he's gone.

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Is that exper ai?

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 2:23 PM

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no, TW

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Honestly if we did TW id just stick with the normal allies. Even the smaller nations are much better to play than vanilla.

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 2:24 PM

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EHH....portugal is pretty fun. I'm not playing a commonwealth lol

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:26 PM

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If we did TW we would need USA, GB, USSR, Canada and India hands down or we'd get smacked

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The AI is on another level

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Portugal would be a nice bonus on top of that though

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 2:27 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

Tenor

stuck cradle Apr 8, 2023, 2:38 PM

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I never coop USA

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 2:38 PM

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WE KNOW

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lol

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Talking about Warren and Winter. They've been talking about COOPing USA all week

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Especially if your leaving before the can finish the game

stuck cradle Apr 8, 2023, 2:41 PM

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we are mostly done by 5CST

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that is what time we ended the last 2 weeks

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but I guess you all pretty much made the decision to have warren and winter coop USA.

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let me practice another country then

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:00 PM

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stuck cradle we are mostly done by 5CST

Yes but throw in a 45 min break with a couple of quick piss/taking dog out breaks we wont get as far as normal

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:01 PM

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Given that total war runs slower than vanilla, it may be a 2 session game, which I've done plenty before and it's kinda nice

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don't have to rush knowing there will be session 2

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:03 PM

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If we do TW then we i'd like to play Axis. I don't think Allies in TW is a good idea

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Expert AI Allies vanilla was the plan from the start but I think that got confused along the way

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:04 PM

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Whichever is preferred by the masses

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If we do TW Axis then I'll have to see, but Expert AI Vanilla I can change it up

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can do whoever tbh, but prob USSR or something

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Id say no USSR for vanilla

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:07 PM

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I know, just throwing an example out there

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:08 PM

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i'd be fine with USSR if we cranked up the difficulty

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Dunno if we need the Germans getting dynamic reinforcements, at least not for a while

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:09 PM

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The plane issue shouldn't really matter since were the ones with the big airforce

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Maybe to simulate Volksturm

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:09 PM

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We can tune it to certain percentages as well

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Like they only get certain bonues when they are a certain % capitulated

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:09 PM

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I can roll with that

stuck cradle Apr 8, 2023, 3:11 PM

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I will play Canada in Expert

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:11 PM

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Only if you say EH after every sentence

stuck cradle Apr 8, 2023, 3:11 PM

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go fuck yourself EH

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:12 PM

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eh?

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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Ok so here is my Ebay store. In the process of adding all my stuff

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https://www.ebay.com/str/8bitbounty

eBay

8BitBounty | eBay Stores

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What do you think of the logo

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:15 PM

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noice

spring yarrow Apr 8, 2023, 3:20 PM

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so allies expert ai then?

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 3:20 PM

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possibly

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most likely since tw would require a lot more practice

snow trout Apr 8, 2023, 3:37 PM

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Lobby is going up. Expert AI and download the BETA UPDATE so that Canada is fixed.

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Takes 15 seconds

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Only click the nation your gonna play as well so we don't get the weird bug

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Lobby is up

rustic locust Apr 8, 2023, 6:48 PM

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😦

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Sorry lot of work

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Nope next week can play

karmic prairie Apr 8, 2023, 8:15 PM

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Muster already done, 100% attendance huzzah

spring yarrow Apr 9, 2023, 4:14 AM

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I actually managed to do this in TW

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1942...MEH

karmic prairie Apr 9, 2023, 4:15 AM

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Well ye did it

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🙂

spring yarrow Apr 9, 2023, 4:15 AM

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yea, now I just gotta clean it up and make do it better

spring yarrow Apr 9, 2023, 3:15 PM

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WTF?

spring yarrow Apr 9, 2023, 9:01 PM

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china...chill

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round marten Apr 10, 2023, 6:16 PM

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Hey does anyone want to start a new game with me? I am still learning how to play!

karmic prairie Apr 10, 2023, 6:16 PM

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I would if I had the time

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We normally play on Saturdays at 1200 EST, but I'm on sometimes in the morning during the week

snow trout Apr 10, 2023, 10:39 PM

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round marten Hey does anyone want to start a new game with me? I am still learning how to pla...

Like Winter said, your welcome to join us on Saturday afternoons. We play every weekend.

round marten Apr 10, 2023, 10:54 PM

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Sounds good, yeah I am still trying to learn but I will have to see if I can check it out this weekend or next

karmic prairie Apr 11, 2023, 2:18 AM

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round marten Sounds good, yeah I am still trying to learn but I will have to see if I can che...

A few of us are veterans at the game, others just starting, so you are absolutely welcome to join. Best way to learn imo is to just play it, especially with someone to guide as you experience it. This weekend, I'd say would be a great learning experience since you'd get to learn in an actual war, as opposed to the tutorial (Ethiopian war).

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We coop as a faction against AI

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this weekend is us as the Allies vs Axis

spring yarrow Apr 11, 2023, 11:46 AM

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Since we're picking up where we left off, hot joining to coop a major would probably yield in alot of learning. I'm pretty terrible at this game, but I have fun learning and trying to figure it out . Mulholland and Winter are pretty good at helping us figure stuff out. Come through on saturday.

round marten Apr 11, 2023, 3:06 PM

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Yeah for sure, if I can attend this weekend I will definitely come

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I have just been watching a 7 part series on YouTube and then playing it

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Played as the Germans as they seem to be the easiest to start with

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As soon as I got to the point of war, I attempted to blitzkrieg through Luxembourg. As soon as my tanks/motorized infantry started to penetrate the lines

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I got flanked and messed up by netherlands/uk

devout bobcat Apr 11, 2023, 3:16 PM

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round marten I have just been watching a 7 part series on YouTube and then playing it

Quill?

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Thing is, you want to eat Nederlands and Belgium one by one and irrc there's one nuance related to world tension mechanic

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If it's last 25% world tension. Allies can guarantee their independence

karmic prairie Apr 11, 2023, 3:46 PM

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If you are rolling with Historical, then you want to do the focus "Around the Maginot" for both of the wargoals (at this point, they're inevitably gonna join the Allies). You then should invade the Netherlands first, since the Allies can't reinforce them quick enough before they fall. Personally, for Belgium, I place my Panzers on the Belgian border by the coast since those are open plains, as opposed to forests and rivers in the Ardennes. This lets me get a straight shot past Calais and right to Paris to cut off all of Belgium when the infantry break through.

karmic prairie Apr 11, 2023, 4:10 PM

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If there's any specific things you have questions on, no matter how small or trivial, feel free to ask. There's a ton of little secrets that are extremely useful too! (Ctrl+Alt+Right-Click with a unit next to an existing battle for Support Attack, meaning they will participate without leaving their position on the line)

devout bobcat Apr 11, 2023, 5:14 PM

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You should know if they are support attacking if the arrow is blue instead of red

karmic prairie Apr 11, 2023, 8:25 PM

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Probably the biggest killer for new players is knowing when or when not to Battleplan attack.

round marten Apr 12, 2023, 1:53 AM

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karmic prairie If you are rolling with Historical, then you want to do the focus "Around the Ma...

Ahh that makes sense, yeah my goal was to penetrate with my tigers/panzers to encircle ils de France but yeah France had more than I expected to be on the border so I will try that next time round!

round marten Apr 12, 2023, 1:53 AM

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karmic prairie If there's any specific things you have questions on, no matter how small or tri...

Will do thank you!

snow trout Apr 12, 2023, 3:37 PM

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I've been looking at the Infantry Equipment Designer mod. It looks pretty damn cool. Im hoping something like that is added in the next official DLC

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 3:38 PM

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It's incorporated in the Ultra Hist mod, it's cool as hell

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Adds a unique level to your elite forces, especially shock troops and stuff

snow trout Apr 12, 2023, 3:41 PM

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If the next DLC is what i think it is which is a Baltic Sea DLC. Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland would be a great pick to add an infantry designer.

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Molotovs for finland

snow trout Apr 12, 2023, 3:41 PM

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lol yea thatd be dope

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 3:41 PM

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actual guerilla warfare mechanics would be awesome

snow trout Apr 12, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Ski troops

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Yea the Winter War is a perfect DLC oppurtunity

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Finland had more of an impact than say Bulgaria

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Also everybody loves Sweden and Norway really needs some love.

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It will be that or a pacific themed dlc

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:09 PM

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If they do south America they need to redo all of the provinces and tiles

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And some extreme optimization

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 8:12 PM

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When are you guys playing hoi4?

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:13 PM

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Saturdays at 1200 Est

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 8:14 PM

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so that would be 1600z right?

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:14 PM

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I guess, idk Zulu off the top of my head tbh

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 8:15 PM

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I would like to join if possible

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I have a solid knowledge of hoi but I didn't play MP much

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:16 PM

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This Saturday's game is a continuation off of last weekend's, but you are absolutely welcome to hop in

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 8:17 PM

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I'm fine with that as long as there is space for one more

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:17 PM

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We definitely could use more players, makes it more interesting

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 8:18 PM

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Nice so I will organize my time for sat

spring yarrow Apr 12, 2023, 8:28 PM

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We're doing allies CO-OP, just to be clear. I beleive Australia is open to hot join as.

karmic prairie Apr 12, 2023, 8:30 PM

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w/ Expert AI

neon coyote Apr 12, 2023, 9:04 PM

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fine with me

spring yarrow Apr 12, 2023, 9:33 PM

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@snow trout 1938, vanilla

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spain is facist

slender ocean Apr 12, 2023, 10:51 PM

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Looks right to me

spring yarrow Apr 12, 2023, 11:13 PM

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yea, they were saying since a few patches ago they always go non aligned and I could've sworn that wasn't the case. 🙂

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 4:53 AM

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So as it turns out, after a bit of research, it's actually kind of simple what decides it.

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If the northern front goes very well (asturias, pais vasco), then the Nationalists can do the focus "Consolidate the North" I think

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If not, they do Martyrdom for de Rivera, which will make them go Fascist.

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something like that

spring yarrow Apr 13, 2023, 12:18 PM

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gotcha

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 1:30 PM

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During the Spanish Civil War, Franco eventually comes to power on the Nationalist side (via "Caudillo of Spain") as the ruler of both the Fascist (CEDA) and the Non-Aligned (Junta Militar) parties. Those two parties, both under Franco, will eventually merge in 1938 to form the FET de las JONS (via "Fuse the Parties") but the Fascist/Non-Aligned decision will not change again once it has been made in November 1936.

So, how does N. Spain choose between Fascist or Non-Aligned? Well, the Non-Aligned ideology is the default one instituted when war breaks out and the Junta Militar takes over. The first eight focuses on the Nationalist side always go in order, through "Save the Alcazar!". Where the split comes is whether the ninth focus is "Consolidate the North" or "Martyrdom for Primo de Rivera". "Consolidate" requires the Nationalists to be in control of both Asturias and Pais Vasco, so if the war in the north is going well, "Consolidate" will be selected. If the war in the north is going poorly, "Martyrdom" will be selected.

If "Martyrdom goes before "Consolidate", then Fascist support will be over 60% when "Martyrdom" finishes. That gives Rivera the chance to take power and become the leader of Fascist Nationalist Spain (he takes over about 60% of the time if I force "Martyrdom" to go first). Carlism has been boosting NA at the expense of Fascism the whole time, so if "Consolidate" goes first, Fascism will drop below 60% and Rivera can't take power. No Rivera, no Fascism, and when Franco takes over after "Caudillo of Spain", they're still Non-Aligned (and will stay that way). Remember Franco will be the leader of both parties, so whichever ideology is already in charge when Franco takes over will remain.

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TL/DR: Whether AI Nationalist Spain goes Fascist or stays Non-Aligned depends on the progress of the SCW in the north. If AI Nationalist Spain has not taken control of Asturias and Pais Vasco when "Save the Alcazar!" finishes on 19 Aug 1936, that creates an opening for Primo de Rivera to seize power and flip the government Fascist.

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This was added in in a few years ago to prevent the Spanish from joining the Axis very easily

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 1:31 PM

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This is what I was referencing ye

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So basically don't send volunteers to the north for the first bit

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 1:33 PM

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oh snap we got the HOI4 update

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 1:33 PM

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huzzah

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 1:36 PM

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I need to roll it back though so I can finish my current TW game though

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Earlier I was able to declare on January 1st 1940 (which is when you can) and take Paris February 10th. It was the best run I've had so far in TW

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I may have just gotten a little lucky though

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I use all 3 tank types which seems to help immensely

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Also medium bombers smack

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:02 PM

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Still trying to figure out Japan, but it's a pain.

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Can hardly break the Chinese lines one attempt, next one I steam roll then bog out

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Vanilla it's effortless, but TW it's painful

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:11 PM

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I sent only Infantry this run and bombers and it helped alot.

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Yeah, Japan AI has an easier time due to the buffs to production

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:12 PM

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But yea I haven't tried Japan yet

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:12 PM

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The problem is lack of equipment for army expansion

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Can't make an army big enough nor of good enough quality for pushes

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:13 PM

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I see the Japanese AI kind of doing the same thing every time. They start in the North and the only Naval invasion they do is a huge one near Hong Kong

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Manchukou actually seems to help them in this mod

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:14 PM

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I'd love for them to help me

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they kinda just throw garrisons at me

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:14 PM

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lol yea

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There focus tree looks much better than vanilla

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Are you going full motorize as Jap?

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:15 PM

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Can't

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Not enough industry to motorize, let alone get enough basic guns and gear for more line holders

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Still working out how to balance it

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Yea I was gonna say i'd stay Partial Motorization

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Whole different beast compared to Germany

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:16 PM

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karmic prairie Whole different beast compared to Germany

Yea I bet

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Japan doesn't start with Partial at all

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I'd have to research partial motorization

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need a fuck ton of horses

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so might go for it to negate that

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:19 PM

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I've noticed shore bombardment and Railway guns are worth there weight in gold

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They seem to be better than Vanilla and in Vanilla they slap

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I wonder if pack artillery would be good for Japan instead of regular

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Also supply hubs are very cheap in TW

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:21 PM

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They start with it, and it is good

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Light artillery works well too

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May consider focusing on pack

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:23 PM

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I use these guys for Urban fighting only. Heavy arty is only available in motorized form. I only make like 6 of them and keep them for Cities or a stalemate

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They really chaged the way arty works

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:24 PM

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If only I could afford it as japan

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;-;

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:25 PM

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yea these def arent for Japan

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I noticed there are alot more forts in this mod. Like alot more

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:30 PM

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I do like that they have an actual use

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:30 PM

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karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 2:30 PM

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rather than just being some impenetrable force

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 2:31 PM

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karmic prairie rather than just being some impenetrable force

Agreed

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State AA is also better. At least it seems to be.

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 3:11 PM

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New strat for Japan seems to work, however the whole army expansion thing is still biting me in the ass

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Could only get an extra 20 divisions prior to the war, which was just enough

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Got some good progress similar to those screenshots, however the deficit of equipment is too much

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Impossible to get out of it, and I still need more units to hold the long ass front

devout bobcat Apr 13, 2023, 4:48 PM

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April 37... Probably too early

karmic prairie Apr 13, 2023, 8:17 PM

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Is that with or without LaR?

tulip flower Apr 13, 2023, 8:45 PM

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snow trout

what mod gives germany 300+ factories pre-1940

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Total War

snow trout Apr 13, 2023, 10:57 PM

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tulip flower what mod gives germany 300+ factories pre-1940

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=806209426

Steam Workshop::Total War Mod

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Its not for the faint hearted. Its like the darkest souls of HOI

slender ocean Apr 13, 2023, 11:21 PM

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tulip flower what mod gives germany 300+ factories pre-1940

TW, used to be a solid mod but Wehraboos got to it

tulip flower Apr 13, 2023, 11:32 PM

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does it have a plane and tank designer implemented ?

tulip flower Apr 13, 2023, 11:49 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMZ0jWPkdNQ

YouTube

Dairy Pills

U.S. military complex lore

The greatest industry of all time.

▶ Play video

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need a mod that lets me simulate having shittons of EVERYTHING

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 3:38 AM

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Ultra Historical Mod: Realism Overhaul would probably do that

slender ocean Apr 14, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Germany F'ed up bigtime by not immediately switching to a full-on wartime economy

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:25 AM

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Definitely hard for them to when their plan was to go to war later, like '41 or so, but money was short so they had to.

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They f'ed up on so many more levels

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 4:28 AM

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karmic prairie Is that with or without LaR?

Without. Full vanilla and no DLC's, just me and 3 Guderian tank divisions

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:29 AM

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I think La Resistance makes the Spanish Civil War last much longer with the "Unplanned Offensives"

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Prior to that DLC the war ending super early like that was normal

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 4:31 AM

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While it was good eco wise and shit... I got stuck at bloody Maginot again

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:32 AM

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You go around it?

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 4:32 AM

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Yeah, Belgium and Lux got reinforced by France, Canada and UK.

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:32 AM

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Usually the thing that kills me with France, is either I forget to block off access to English Channel so supplies don't try going through it, or I don't make a big enough Airforce

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If you focus enough on having a large airforce, especially one of high quality, it won't let you down

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Usually will win the war for you too

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 4:34 AM

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Block the English channel with Airforce?

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:34 AM

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nono

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 4:34 AM

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Because I did had a lot of fighters and CAS and had green air all around.

karmic prairie Apr 14, 2023, 4:34 AM

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Click English Channel and block it off with the Red X button in the bottom left

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When you go for Benelux and whatnot, I recommend declaring only on the Netherlands, taking them out, then line up on Belgium's whole border, then invading them. Emphasize push on the coast due to easy terrain for a straight shot to Paris. Luxembourg is up to you, but it is worth it if you need the supply hub.

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Cheap garrison forces can hold the Maginot line with the Westwall, no need to try and push it.

devout bobcat Apr 14, 2023, 9:31 AM

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Take them out one by one, yeah

snow trout Apr 14, 2023, 7:28 PM

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karmic prairie Click English Channel and block it off with the Red X button in the bottom left

Yea its clutch to block the channel.

devout bobcat Apr 15, 2023, 11:24 AM

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My brain's about to explode here...

neon coyote Apr 15, 2023, 11:34 AM

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when it is today?

devout bobcat Apr 15, 2023, 11:34 AM

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The usual?

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Noon EST

spring yarrow Apr 15, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Yep, Noon EST

neon coyote Apr 15, 2023, 1:54 PM

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what mods do you use?

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 2:13 PM

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running Expert AI 4.0 for the game today

tulip lagoon Apr 15, 2023, 2:30 PM

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ew

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 2:38 PM

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wdym ew you were literally mexico XD

devout bobcat Apr 15, 2023, 2:48 PM

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This is too cursed...

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 2:50 PM

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That actually looks better than usual border gore

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But today we will be rolling back to patch 1.12.11 so we can finish our game.

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Actually NM. Since we were using beta this patch should be fine lol

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 2:52 PM

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ye we're good

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 3:06 PM

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Picked these bad boys up at a sweet deal. First minis I've ever had

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 3:06 PM

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ye bb

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 3:06 PM

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They need some TLC

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 3:07 PM

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mini sherman squad takin no shit from anyone

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Thatd be cool to have

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You can actually make some decent money printing models and reselling

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Sadly I couldn't 3D print them due to how I designed the treads

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 3:08 PM

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Did you make them actually move?

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 3:08 PM

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if only

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I got close but covid hit before I could finish the project

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was making a tank shooter game

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for game design class

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I did get to 3d print a TIE Fighter Christmas ornament tho

snow trout Apr 15, 2023, 4:01 PM

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Server is going up

tulip flower Apr 15, 2023, 8:09 PM

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snow trout Server is going up

does total war or ultra have a plane designer yet ?

karmic prairie Apr 15, 2023, 9:40 PM

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It will not be receiving one, due to it being OP

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nor a tank designer

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same reason

tulip flower Apr 15, 2023, 11:47 PM

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rip

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 5:50 AM

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Well I figured out how to kill China now in Total War

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Turns out I had to use a Japan strat I forgot about

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used to use it all the time pre-NSB

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 8:27 AM

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I'm up for hosting a game tomorrow (later today I guess 4am moment). Lmk if anyone is up for it. If I do host it'll be 1pm EST

devout bobcat Apr 16, 2023, 9:03 AM

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Mods?

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 2:53 PM

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If I get enough people for a game then we can all decide on it

devout bobcat Apr 16, 2023, 3:13 PM

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I might join, but It will be for like 2 hours since SP

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 3:43 PM

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karmic prairie used to use it all the time pre-NSB

Whats the strat?

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Hard focus on chonky light tank division and CAS

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Encirclements galore

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Hell yea

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China shouldn't be able to do anything about the CAS

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When I send volunteers as Germany I will see maybe 100 chinese fighters but thats it

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 3:45 PM

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The game gives so many debuffs to CAS it does way less than expected. Not enough to carry your army, but still helps

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 3:47 PM

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I haven't noticed the debuffs anywhere but I do know strat bombing is hard to counter

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Debuffs are a China thing, it's a local province effect

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 3:49 PM

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Interesting

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Does AI Germany buy any resources off of you?

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Not sure

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 3:55 PM

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I end up giving a ton of Civ's.

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It's Japan or neutrals

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I buy alum, tungsten and rare's from em

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Im going to try a run with no moutaineers and use SS (as much as I hate that)

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They are designed to be used as your shocktroops

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:00 PM

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They're just infantry with buffs in urban environments

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They are also tanks and stuff, but it's just urban buffs

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:02 PM

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There suppose to be stronger all across the board.

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Maybe thats only later in the game they get those buffs. Im honestly not sure. I've read it a few times though

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:03 PM

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They start off with urban buffs across the board, and slight recovery rate I think

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They're good, but I tried making a SS version of my German medium tank division and the stats were the same

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Since they are considered Special Forces I believe they get all of the upgrades for them under the SF tree.

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:09 PM

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Didn't think about that, but sounds right.

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I honestly prefer running paratroopers instead

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Great for Norway and Greece

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Does Germany do the replace ambassdor in Japan with you?

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:15 PM

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Probably, but I did the sever Sino-German relations before they did that

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which bypasses it on their end

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gives me 75 PP for a 14 day focus

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:16 PM

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I do it as Ger's 3rd focus. Ger and Jap get 100 PP and 2.50% WS

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:17 PM

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ah yeah it's 100pp

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Almost an entire advisor for a 14 day focus

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Really good

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:17 PM

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It's on both trees, just depends on who does it first

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either way they both get the 100

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wonder if they are both done at the same time, do both get 200?

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:18 PM

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hmm

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:18 PM

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they wouldn't bypass each other due to being completed, and the events that give the political power would fire

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Yea just don't hit ok on the event until the other finishes

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Thats OP as hell if it works

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love it

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:19 PM

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would require a player on both tho

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:20 PM

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ok so just did the germany one and you don't get the PP until Japan says yes

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so it probably works

karmic prairie Apr 16, 2023, 4:21 PM

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actually everything on that focus tree branch is like that

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the synthetic research and all

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it's on both trees, just depends on who does it first

snow trout Apr 16, 2023, 4:24 PM

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Its almost to good for Germany. I can get all three advisors and then some in like 1.5 months

round marten Apr 17, 2023, 1:11 AM

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Any recommendations for DLCs to purchase?

tulip flower Apr 17, 2023, 1:14 AM

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nsb if you dont have it

round marten Apr 17, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Man the guns worth it at all?

spring yarrow Apr 17, 2023, 2:22 AM

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We ran an america divided game earlier that was pretty fun...maybe something to do for a saturday game

snow trout Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 AM

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round marten Man the guns worth it at all?

Honestly they are all worth it. If you don't own any dlcs the subscription is actually a good deal. If not you can find the dlcs at like half price on certain sites

devout bobcat Apr 17, 2023, 6:09 AM

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With no DLCs you're missing on focus trees for many nations (not like you're gonna play them at once), tank, plane and navy ship designers and spy agencies is the biggest I can point out

neon coyote Apr 17, 2023, 11:02 AM

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round marten Man the guns worth it at all?

it's nice to modify your ships

snow trout Apr 17, 2023, 2:47 PM

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round marten Man the guns worth it at all?

If you play multiplayer everyone has access to all dlc content the host has. It's really nice.

round marten Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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snow trout Honestly they are all worth it. If you don't own any dlcs the subscription is ac...

That’s what I was wondering

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I can always cancel whenever I lose interest or stop playing

round marten Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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snow trout If you play multiplayer everyone has access to all dlc content the host has. It'...

Oh that’s dope

round marten Apr 17, 2023, 3:02 PM

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neon coyote it's nice to modify your ships

Yeah makes sense, the ship/air gameplay is super confusing but I was able to figure out how to attach an air wing to an army now

devout bobcat Apr 17, 2023, 3:05 PM

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I don't think it's neccessary to attach air wings to army, I usually just micro them to get green air quicky

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And... There's a reason why Winter always say "CAS is king"

snow trout Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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round marten Yeah makes sense, the ship/air gameplay is super confusing but I was able to fig...

It can be useful if your attacking force is moving quickly through multiple air zones or if the enemy has no fighters to contest you with

smoky sonnet Apr 17, 2023, 5:19 PM

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the next session is This coming Saturday right?

karmic prairie Apr 17, 2023, 5:19 PM

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devout bobcat And... There's a reason why Winter always say "CAS is king"

this is true

karmic prairie Apr 17, 2023, 5:19 PM

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smoky sonnet the next session is This coming Saturday right?

yes

smoky sonnet Apr 17, 2023, 5:23 PM

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okay

spring yarrow Apr 17, 2023, 5:55 PM

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@snow trout wanna have another go at the japan manchuko greatness?

snow trout Apr 17, 2023, 6:57 PM

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Im down

spring yarrow Apr 17, 2023, 9:18 PM

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is it even possible to cheese it the way we were in the recent update?

devout bobcat Apr 17, 2023, 10:23 PM

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You know that the last patch supposed to stop Anschluss rush?

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Yeah... Look how that turned out. So I would assume nothing else changed much.

snow trout Apr 18, 2023, 2:39 AM

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All you have to do is force recruit infantry divisions for Anschluss. That's always worked.

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You want 120 Infantry Divisions for Poland/France anyways so

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If they want to fix the rush they need to make the numbers of troops only count if they are above recruit level

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 4:13 AM

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Or just put a date requirement.

snow trout Apr 18, 2023, 4:20 AM

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karmic prairie Or just put a date requirement.

Yea. They could even have 2 versions. One for historical paths and non

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 7:39 AM

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New req is that you need to have 40.000 guns in stockpiles

snow trout Apr 18, 2023, 2:32 PM

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devout bobcat New req is that you need to have 40.000 guns in stockpiles

I seen that. I thought they changed it a different way. Yea that is silly

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Im guessing atm the experienced guys are working on Vic 3 DLC and whoever did that change was a noob

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The way I play Germany I never have any guns in stockple until I take poland/france. hmm

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@karmic prairie What do you think winter?

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 2:42 PM

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You just put 20 mils into guns and by 3rd focus and enough cav spam you will have enough

snow trout Apr 18, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Thats if your playing non historically

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Most people dont rush it because it overall slows you down

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I do anschluss mid 37

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You get less mills and enemy equipment/troops overall if you do it earlier

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Now if your doing early wars like attcking the allies asap then sure rushing it is good.

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 3:14 PM

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Probably Anscluss is for doing MP games I would assume

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Anschluss is good for getting an extra boon to your industry, but it is better to wait a bit

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Rushing it, I mean

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Even in MP, I prefer to wait since Austria will do its industrial focuses and feed you a bit more

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Timing it right, you can start making mils a bit earlier

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OH

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 3:17 PM

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devout bobcat New req is that you need to have 40.000 guns in stockpiles

It's 40000 in the Army, not in stockpile.

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To have 500k manpower of infantry in the field, you're gonna need about 50,000 guns with em to be 100% equipped

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So it's asking for you to at least have them decently equipped at like 80%

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 3:18 PM

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Which is still doable really early on.

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Again, math was already done

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 3:18 PM

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If you rush it, yeah

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Doesn't really pay off throwing over half your mils onto guns just for it, you kinda screw yourself over by neglecting everything else

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Austria has hardly anything for you to take early on anyway, no industry built yet

devout bobcat Apr 18, 2023, 3:20 PM

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Then... Why Paradox throw a lot of attention to it so it needs to be patched?

snow trout Apr 18, 2023, 3:21 PM

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I mean it was litterally 1 or 2 lines of code

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It does 2 things. Placates people that complain about Paradox not doing anything about it and 1-2 lines of code has got them ALOT of free youtube advertisement for HOI. There are like 100 youtube videos about just the Anschluss change.

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Its still better than what it was before as well. Now your troops have to at least have rifles. Before when it was only manpower most of your troops wouldnt have guns if you did the abuse trick

karmic prairie Apr 18, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Just tested, I was able to get Anschluss mid-late '37 with 7 mils on Infantry equipment

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Steady buildup works fine

snow trout Apr 19, 2023, 1:22 PM

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@karmic prairie What doctrines did you use as Germany in your succesful TW campaign?

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Im tempted to try Superior Firepower

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At the bottom of the SF tree you get the new commander ability called Shock Attack which gives 7% attack and 40% extra breakthrough

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I suppose the Mobile Warefare ability at the bottom called Blitzkrieg is stupid good for armour

karmic prairie Apr 19, 2023, 2:14 PM

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snow trout I suppose the Mobile Warefare ability at the bottom called Blitzkrieg is stupid ...

Oh yeah it is

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I ran Mobile Warfare, right then left side I think

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Battlefield Support and Trade Interdiction for Air and Navy

karmic prairie Apr 19, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Main thing that won it for me though was almost 90% logistics

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other 10% would be the tank divisions

snow trout Apr 19, 2023, 11:10 PM

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So it ends

karmic prairie Apr 20, 2023, 4:38 AM

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So, for this Saturday's game, I think we should either do Total War (Axis), North America Divided (Chaos), or a mysterious third mod. Definitely something aside from Expert AI, because as fun as it is, it's always gonna be a cakewalk over the AI.

spring yarrow Apr 20, 2023, 12:44 PM

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i'm down to try TW

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something different

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i think I've got the basics down

snow trout Apr 20, 2023, 8:04 PM

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We would just need to take the game slow. Probably split it into 2 play sessions and we would be fine

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 1:20 AM

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spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 1:55 AM

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Georgia Found Out

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 5:34 AM

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So the Devil went down to Georgia, and found the fuck out

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huzzah

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YO Kentucky won

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 6:12 AM

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If Total War, I could roll with either Germany (Coop?) or Japan

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since I've learned those nations a good bit

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I'd be down for a secondary NA Divided game like last weekend

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after the main game or the next day

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since those are fast af

tulip lagoon Apr 21, 2023, 12:47 PM

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I’d rather just run the NAD for our main game

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Or a non historic non aligned run

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Ill probably pass then if its NAD

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Talk about production being messed up

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All of the focus trees compete with each other. If one forms something no one in the proximity can form there nation.

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For a quick play sure

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I think we are ready for TW. A slow burn type of game. We have been practicing together as a team for a few months now. We can handle the big boy mod

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I know our core base of guys well enough. We have been playing HOI most Saturdays for over a year. Im pretty confident once we get it rolling everyone will actually be having fun

devout bobcat Apr 21, 2023, 2:56 PM

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I'll skip this saturday I guess

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Haven't played TW once

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 3:08 PM

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Its not hard

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Hungary/Romania have mostly the same tree as Vanilla

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 3:10 PM

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Definitely will need someone on Romania to build up those juicy oil fields

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Did someone say Romanian Mountaineers?

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 3:14 PM

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I can play whatever is needed. The only focus trees that are completey new are the countries who dont have a tree in Vanilla anyway

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Germany/Italy/Romania/Japan/Hungary/Finland id say

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Finland's tree looks pretty fun

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 3:16 PM

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Same here, however there are some nations I'd prioritize

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Of course Germany/Italy, then Romania, Hungary, and Finland if someone is willing

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Japan if we fill out Europe

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but I'd try to keep everyone together

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 3:17 PM

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Hungary has almost 1/4 as many factories as Germany. Even after I took poland/denmark

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 3:18 PM

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karmic prairie Of course Germany/Italy, then Romania, Hungary, and Finland if someone is willin...

Yea for sure

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If we can fill out Europe and Japan id say our 7th player would go Siam or Manchukou

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Would really help

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Siam can blitz the rubber areas

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Thats a lot of important resources that could go to the Axis

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 3:22 PM

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the oil mostly tbh

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Axis can easily be rubber self sufficient via synthetics

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but synthetic oil is never enough, but it helps

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gotta have that black gold

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 3:25 PM

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Ive been having hell trying to get Paras to work. Sometimes they go sometimes they dont. I've got enough transports, air cover, etc

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 3:26 PM

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I've had issues with them sometimes, but it helps to just have 1 or 2 divs per order

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 3:58 PM

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Currently doing a quick test run with Romania, so far industry is pretty good

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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I can take Italy I guess, It's been nice to have break from it last few weeks

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and since i can built desert troops, africa shouldn't be too difficult

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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The desert support company is quite nice

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Africa is a much larger frontline in TW, so it gets quite hard

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Especially due to the British having good quality units

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Yea, I'll need the afrika corps for sure

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Haha romanian oil go brr

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Industry wise, I can't imagine having many tanks early war

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:04 PM

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As long as you have sufficient AT and a couple medium tank divs you should be able to make something happen

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Brits will show up with a ton of tanks

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:07 PM

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that would be my plan

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Definitely do not deploy your navy early on though

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:07 PM

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oh definitely not

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:07 PM

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No matter how much you modernize pre-war, you will get nuked

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Not like vanilla where you can smash them right away

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:08 PM

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I managed to build my portugal navy in a TW game pretty good to kill the UK navy.

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it did take me until 1948 to do so lol

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i'll prob spam nav bombers and tac bombers on port strike to keep them from naval invading me.

ideally, I'd like to take greece early so we can concentrate their navy in just a few ports.

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Once the war kicks off then absolutely

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If Malta can be captured then that would help a fuck ton

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Paratroopers will be essential

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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what's the concern around doing greece pre war exactly? I think we've already proven it doesn't negatively affect germany

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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It'd cause problems in Total War

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given the mod is strictly historical

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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care to specify

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:14 PM

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We proved it didn't negatively affect Germany in vanilla and expert AI

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:14 PM

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k, so if I d it in a tw game and the AI still does their anschluss then it's fine right?

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i think the main concern is the world tension spke

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Yeah

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Just messed with the console as Italy a bit

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did an invasion of Greece super early to see the tension spike

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April '36 with 23% tension already

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the real spike wasn't until the peace deal

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You get to invade Greece early in the war anyways via focus, and you can use it to kill some British troops easily, and divert them from Africa for a bit

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Paras can take Crete

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:24 PM

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i forgot their focus tree is totally different in TW, so yea, that's fine.

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i'm not evne sure i'll have the industry to supply paras.

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:24 PM

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Should be able to

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:24 PM

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dont you have to make like...special equipment for that shit

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:24 PM

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You do but it's not much

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You get more industry than in vanilla to start with

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basically everyone does

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with Romania I had a chonky industry by '39

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Just gotta know what you need more of, and what to not make much of

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key to winning battles is combined arms; air support, armor, and artillery together

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if you lack one of those, you will struggle, so for italy I recommend mediums and medium assault guns

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light and medium artillery for africa, heavy if you want it

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Do you suggest puppeting eithiopia or just taking them?

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i'm leaning towards puppet

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:42 PM

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I take them then release Italian East Africa

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as puppet

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there should be a focus for it, but Idk about it in TW

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:43 PM

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so I won the ethopia war without the struggle bullshit, I can take the state or just puppet them now

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 4:43 PM

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there should be decisions once you annex, but you could puppet now tbh

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there should be decisions for ceding territories to that puppet

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if not then no big deal

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 4:54 PM

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gotcha, yea,, i forgot their tree was completely diffrent

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ugh, i hate this mod

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someone should prob do italy, I might take a week off this week and do something else with the day.

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Though this is a Hoi4 thing, I almost feel like doing Stellaris

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Especially since Coop is a thing now

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Italy is a pain if you are playing solo due to AI Germany being the most unhelpful cuck

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If we have players, and we do stuff like tradebacks and coordinate our armies, we can have a great time with it

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The mod is a pain solo unless you are a major that can hold it's own with little assistance

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ie. USA, UK, GER, SOV, JAP

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UK is kinda iffy though

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 5:31 PM

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Afrika Korps

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Light Infantry with desert support companies and light tanks to start with and eventually a few medium tank divisions. Italys sole focus is the med. Ignore helping in Europe until its decided

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Even with helping the AI in Africa it isn't a push over. I love it

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 5:37 PM

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It's hella fun with the Afrikakorps

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Yea the developers could learn a thing or two from how TW does North Africa

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IRL it was a war of maneuver . Vanilla its a head on slog two tiles deep and across

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 7:49 PM

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did they change all the focus trees?

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:51 PM

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most not all

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 7:51 PM

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Well Germany gets actual Afrika Korps focuses that are pretty good.

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 7:51 PM

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This italy focus tree looks like they just vommitted focuses in some randomizer

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:52 PM

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There's a method to the madness, but it is weird upon first look

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Depending on what you want to focus on, there's certain focuses you need to do

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But it's all on what strat you want to apply

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 7:53 PM

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I see what you meant winter

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weird

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 7:53 PM

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Left to right you got Navy, Air, Land

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:53 PM

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If you go Innovative Theories, be ready to research a fuck ton of armor tech

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 7:53 PM

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i understand how the focus trees work., I'm more or less talkin about the focuses themselves.

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:53 PM

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otherwise you can't do Modern Celere Division

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:54 PM

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spring yarrow i understand how the focus trees work., I'm more or less talkin about the focuse...

Like which ones?

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 7:54 PM

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all of them

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it's just completely different

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like starting from scratch

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 7:55 PM

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That focus tree is completely different than the vanilla one with no resemblance due to the current vanilla one being added after that one was already created. It was designed to be a better version of the old Italy tree pre-BBA

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It's a good tree, however it is a bit weird. I personally hate the industrial path

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 7:58 PM

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They should get rid of the alternate history in all the TW trees. I mean they lean so heavily into historical it confuses people

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The historical path looks pretty good actually

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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Alt hist political paths, sure, but definitely keep the non-hist industrial and army paths

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like Plan Z for Germany, Italian mobile warfare, etc.

spring yarrow Apr 21, 2023, 8:02 PM

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karmic prairie If you go Innovative Theories, be ready to research a fuck ton of armor tech

It's just two things to research...fuck ton?

snow trout Apr 21, 2023, 8:02 PM

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karmic prairie Alt hist political paths, sure, but definitely keep the non-hist industrial and ...

Yea im talking abou the politcal stuff

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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spring yarrow It's just two things to research...fuck ton?

It requires two technologies, but those techs have prerequisites

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That one and the next focus

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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snow trout Yea im talking abou the politcal stuff

Gotcha

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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spring yarrow It's just two things to research...fuck ton?

Turns out they have less prerequisites than I remembered, must've been something else. But some of those techs are 1939

karmic prairie Apr 21, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Some tanks require certain artillery technologies to be researched

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Heavy tanks beyond pre-war require steel mills, etc.

snow trout Apr 22, 2023, 12:18 AM

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slender ocean Apr 22, 2023, 12:27 AM

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snow trout They should get rid of the alternate history in all the TW trees. I mean they le...

It used to only be historical political paths but I keep telling you that the mod has slowly been catered to the MP PvP audience over the last 3-4 years

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When they added fascist paths for Sweden to cater to their weekly online games to balance the axis (because the Axis kept losing in MP) I swore off the mod

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Combined with them neutering the US and UK's industrial capacity even more than vanilla

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I miss pre-2019 Total War 😩

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At this point I prefer Black Ice which is ironic because TW was originally meant to be a less ridiculous version of Black Ice

snow trout Apr 22, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Everyone has different tastes. I still enjoy TW. No mod is perfect. I can pick apart any mod that exists if I really wanted to

slender ocean Apr 22, 2023, 12:33 AM

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I mean if we're being real real, I prefer HOI3 with Black Ice as far as a WW2 simulation goes

slender ocean Apr 22, 2023, 12:36 AM

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snow trout Everyone has different tastes. I still enjoy TW. No mod is perfect. I can pick a...

Yeah a lot of mods have shortcomings, especially when it comes to total conversions, but what I mean is that the focus of the mod changed and I preferred the old focus (Co-op PVE) as opposed to competitive PVP, which in terms of HOI is a farce

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If I happened to just stumble upon Total War right now I'd probably love it but it's hard for me to like it knowing what it used to be like

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That and the community for the mod is cancer. Straight up Wehraboos allover their Discord, some of them on the Dev team

One, possibly both, of the main original Devs isn't even really involved anymore so it's kinda a "inmate's are running the asylum" type of deal

snow trout Apr 22, 2023, 3:01 AM

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slender ocean Yeah a lot of mods have shortcomings, especially when it comes to total conversi...

I remember years ago for hoi3 when I first discovered BICE. I would spend hours on the OOB before I even hit unpause lol

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I'm honestly surprised with the direction they went with HOI4 from HOI3. People say HOI4 is complicated lol. You should come start playing with us on Saturdays. Our group is getting bigger and bigger

karmic prairie Apr 22, 2023, 3:25 AM

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As much as I'd like to do TW, if people are turned off by it and don't want to play it, then I'd rather swap to a different mod so we have more players.

slender ocean Apr 22, 2023, 3:29 AM

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snow trout I remember years ago for hoi3 when I first discovered BICE. I would spend hours ...

I have PTSD from setting up the Soviet OOB

snow trout Apr 22, 2023, 5:50 AM

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It will be fine.

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We've done this song and dance with Expert AI and other set ups. Half like it and the other half haven't tried it

round marten Apr 22, 2023, 5:53 AM

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Wow Italy just wrecked my ass, I was playing as Germany

devout bobcat Apr 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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snow trout https://youtu.be/4TB6I7lAfDk

"Ishports Alta" intensifies

stuck cradle Apr 22, 2023, 1:05 PM

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So total war today? Also what countries are we having to play?

snow trout Apr 22, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Yea and definitely Axis

round marten Apr 22, 2023, 6:31 PM

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What time do you guys play again?

karmic prairie Apr 22, 2023, 6:31 PM

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1200 EST on Saturdays

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We're ingame rn, hotjoin is possible

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May '38 on Total War Mod, running Axis

round marten Apr 22, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Sure, I may have no idea what is going but I am down

karmic prairie Apr 22, 2023, 6:33 PM

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Not sure who you'd be able to play

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=806209426&searchtext=Total+War+Mod

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spring yarrow Apr 23, 2023, 2:38 AM

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They keep trying us

karmic prairie Apr 23, 2023, 2:39 AM

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Meanwhile, in an alternate universe...

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devout bobcat Apr 23, 2023, 9:38 AM

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Surprising that Kentucky is unchanged

snow trout Apr 23, 2023, 10:14 AM

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What happened to my beloved Ohio

stuck cradle Apr 23, 2023, 1:02 PM

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notice Missori is still there

snow trout Apr 23, 2023, 1:03 PM

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So I figured out why movement is so slow in TW. Arty gets negative speed attriubes in basically all terrain types.

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Also Heavy Artillery just absolutely shreds in urban areas.

snow trout Apr 23, 2023, 1:18 PM

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stuck cradle notice Missori is still there

Good ol Missoura

spring yarrow Apr 23, 2023, 2:46 PM

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stuck cradle notice Missori is still there

They got clapped right after lol

karmic prairie Apr 23, 2023, 6:29 PM

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The main thing that makes you move slow sometimes, but fast others, is the weather. If you click on the icon of a division under your army, it'll show all of it's stats, with all modifiers applied

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Weather like Mud will bring your divisions to a near halt, snow the same

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So sometimes it's worth waiting for certain conditions to clear

snow trout Apr 23, 2023, 7:47 PM

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Right. But the arty just stright up reduces your speed in half in most stuff except plains. I am going to throw a bone and assume they did it for balance. Its much harder to pull off big juicy encirclments if you cant move

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Ok so armourded cars and recon counter it heavily

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Explains why it seems they really want you to use them in TW

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Also the specialist support companies

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The fuckery never ends

devout bobcat Apr 23, 2023, 7:59 PM

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If anything I keep fucking up, is trying to add too much into my tank divisions as minor as I can chew

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so there's not enough of what divisions needs

tulip flower Apr 23, 2023, 8:11 PM

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what about motorized artillery ?

karmic prairie Apr 23, 2023, 8:24 PM

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tulip flower what about motorized artillery ?

the game kinda wants you to motorize it as you progress, but yeah it helps a lot

snow trout Apr 24, 2023, 2:20 PM

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tulip flower what about motorized artillery ?

I actually do that for my Infantry Assault Divisions with Heavy and Medium Motorized. I think the only country that could fully motorize all there Infantry is probably USA but thats it

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These tank divisions arent fully swapped to all medium tanks and they are still smaller in size but they do less dmg overall than the Assault Infantry. I only have a handful of the Assault Iinfantry though

karmic prairie Apr 24, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Finally, the mod I never thought I'd get has arrived.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2965547586

Steam Workshop::The Great Sandbox Mod

spring yarrow Apr 24, 2023, 6:04 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

Tenor

karmic prairie Apr 24, 2023, 6:15 PM

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There are some noice systems in this mod

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just found the white peace system

karmic prairie Apr 24, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Looks like the AI not making aircraft is a game problem, not specific to NA Divided

snow trout Apr 24, 2023, 9:02 PM

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Looks very promising

snow trout Apr 25, 2023, 12:30 AM

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I won't be around this Saturday though I will be around Sunday since I've got a week or so between semesters. We can start a Stellaris game then

karmic prairie Apr 25, 2023, 4:28 AM

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I'll prob host a game Saturday for those who still want something that day.

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As for Stelly, get those empires pre-made please

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otherwise we'll be sitting there for an hour waiting on people (mainly me, I take ages!)

karmic prairie Apr 25, 2023, 7:29 AM

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The Great Sandbox fun is literally the definition of dumb fun

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made me stay up until 3 AM just killing shit and having a good fight, dammit

karmic prairie Apr 25, 2023, 4:22 PM

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Stellaris is getting trait selection for leaders, similar to hoi4

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fucking finally

snow trout Apr 25, 2023, 4:47 PM

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That'll be pretty cool

karmic prairie Apr 25, 2023, 4:54 PM

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with the new leader history system and whatnot, I can immortalize Space Stalin

karmic prairie Apr 25, 2023, 7:33 PM

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Given how Stellaris' war system works, I feel like coop with limited PvP would be pretty safe to do

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Can peace out whenever, bluff people out, etc. More advanced diplomacy between us

spring yarrow Apr 25, 2023, 8:34 PM

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Or you know, we could just setup a federation

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and assimilate the rest

slender ocean Apr 25, 2023, 8:51 PM

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I love playing as Religious zealous ala The Covenant and taking over/integrating empires with species I deem worthy while annihilating lesser empires I deem unworthy

karmic prairie Apr 26, 2023, 4:00 AM

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I usually run a very expansionist empire that just carves specialized vassals out of other empires, or a diplomatic republic that is actually hellbent on becoming Emperor

devout bobcat Apr 26, 2023, 7:56 AM

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We can just run space fascism, flex our diplo and push the galactic senate laws in our favor

snow trout Apr 26, 2023, 2:31 PM

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If we playing Stellaris we need to run a federation

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Warrens right. We use to host Stellaris games as well

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None of us are experts at the game. So if I host were not PVPing. Not yet anyway

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The AI is actually decent enough to where it will kick everyones asses

karmic prairie Apr 26, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Seems everyone missed the limited part of what I said but nvm that then. I've done coop before, and it's fine to run as a federation, as long as there is plenty of room for everyone to expand and do what we need to. My issue with running as federation is that ethics will clash, and no one can fight their own wars separately.

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Federation is an absolute must later on, or based on the situation, but I think a web of Defensive Pacts would work better til then.

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lets people declare wars on the AI without having to get the vote of everyone else, then dragging them into war

snow trout Apr 26, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Yea that makes sense

snow trout Apr 26, 2023, 4:45 PM

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I just think we should avoid PVP at first is all

karmic prairie Apr 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Yeah, of course don't PVP at first, that'd screw people over who are still getting on their feet, especially if they get a bad start.

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I meant limited pvp as in like little skirmishes over individual systems or other disputed territory, rather than fully annihilating someone

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but only if we want it, and if we've already kind of carved the AI up

snow trout Apr 26, 2023, 8:53 PM

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Motherfucking Chaos Dwarves

spring yarrow Apr 26, 2023, 9:07 PM

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wtf game is this?

slender ocean Apr 26, 2023, 9:13 PM

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Darude Sandstorm

snow trout Apr 26, 2023, 9:25 PM

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karmic prairie Apr 27, 2023, 3:04 AM

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Yo total war wh3 let's get it

karmic prairie Apr 27, 2023, 3:21 AM

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we definitely need to do some total war

devout bobcat Apr 27, 2023, 7:16 AM

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Can't buy it 😦

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 3:37 PM

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karmic prairie Yo total war wh3 let's get it

Im so down. I haven't played Total War multiplayer since Medieval 2 a decade ago

spring yarrow Apr 27, 2023, 4:16 PM

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i booted up empire last night for shits and giggles

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Great fucking game. Ahead of its time though

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Im hoping they redeem themslves with an Empire 2

spring yarrow Apr 27, 2023, 4:18 PM

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the napopleanic wars one sounds promising from what winter was saying

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Gunpower in Warhammer Total war is really well done

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 4:18 PM

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spring yarrow the napopleanic wars one sounds promising from what winter was saying

Napoleon Total War?

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The one that came out awhile back?

spring yarrow Apr 27, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Yea, that one

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he said it was basically a sequel to empire

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 4:19 PM

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I can say its damn good

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That game is the reason why I love Austria Hungary in all video games now

karmic prairie Apr 27, 2023, 5:32 PM

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Love running DarthMod for it, makes life so much easier

snow trout Apr 27, 2023, 10:20 PM

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Darthmod was awesome. That mod team now is a game studio

slender ocean Apr 27, 2023, 11:49 PM

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Yup, made Ultimate General Gettysburg, Ultimate General Civil War, Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail, Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts, and now they're working on Ultimate General American Revolution

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Game Labs is Ukrainian AFAIK so they've been having difficulties

snow trout Apr 28, 2023, 4:51 PM

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@spring yarrow I seen all those tornadoes down by you. You good?

spring yarrow Apr 28, 2023, 5:12 PM

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my moms house got hit

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but we're good, thanks for checking

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her backyard got hammered good, her above ground pool destroyed.

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the house itself is good. she needed roof work as it is, but now even more so. They're gonna get it done in a few weeks....but i'm a bit worried it won't have enough time to cure before hurrican season.

snow trout Apr 29, 2023, 12:03 AM

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Damn man. Mother nature really can be an ass sometimes

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It took us almost exactly a year to get our condo fixed from the fire and we only had a burned roof and smoke damage

tulip lagoon Apr 29, 2023, 2:44 PM

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what we doin today >?

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vanilla hoi and we all go communist? 🤣 🔥

spring yarrow Apr 29, 2023, 2:54 PM

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portugal does have a nice commie tree lol

tulip lagoon Apr 29, 2023, 3:00 PM

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communism for everyone

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the goal is to puppet everyone and make the mcommie too

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i can make poland communist

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 3:03 PM

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I gotta do a few things before the game, but I'm thinking probably either expert AI, NA Divided, or something else.

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Could go for some Roman shenanigans

tulip lagoon Apr 29, 2023, 3:03 PM

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roman shennanigans?

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 3:03 PM

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Roman empire stuff

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 3:49 PM

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I'll be there, just grabbing food first

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Internet is down, fixing it rn

rustic locust Apr 29, 2023, 4:26 PM

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hey guys what time are you playing?

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Usually noon, but my internet is out rn

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Dunno if the others are gonna start

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Someone probably hit the land line.

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Or a landmine, either is equally likely here

snow trout Apr 29, 2023, 9:12 PM

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Cleaned these up today. I should have took before pictures. They were rough. I put a new battery in the DS and cleaned the inside of the SNES.

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 9:28 PM

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Noice

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Are we still go for Stellaris tomorrow?

karmic prairie Apr 29, 2023, 9:29 PM

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snow trout Cleaned these up today. I should have took before pictures. They were rough. I p...

that reminds me, I gotta repair my lightsaber

snow trout Apr 30, 2023, 12:43 AM

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I listed the SNES for sale and it sold in 15 minutes. Didn't even get to play with it

karmic prairie Apr 30, 2023, 4:17 AM

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repair successful

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snow trout Apr 30, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Very nice

karmic prairie Apr 30, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Anyone down for a game of hoi4 or something?

devout bobcat Apr 30, 2023, 5:50 PM

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Sp soon for me 😦

spring yarrow Apr 30, 2023, 6:05 PM

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I'm currently migrating a Python library I wrote for work into Azure Functions so they can execute in a serverless environment using HTTP triggers.

So in short, my dance card today is pretty full. 🙂

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Something I've been wanting to get done for some time and I finally woke up motivated to do it and am making good progress.

karmic prairie Apr 30, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Noice

devout bobcat Apr 30, 2023, 6:06 PM

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I thought we're playing Stellaris today

karmic prairie Apr 30, 2023, 6:07 PM

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I thought so too, but dunno what's going on

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I'm still willing to do it if we can get people for it

devout bobcat Apr 30, 2023, 6:11 PM

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Yeaaaaah... I got FTX in 50 minutes

snow trout Apr 30, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Id like to play but ive got family coming over that were suppose to come over yesterday

#HOI4 (Hearts of Iron 4)