Updates to a song's dta that include adding a keys track seem to merge the crowd track into the backing track for some reason. Was wondering if anyone knows why that is
#Song updates mix the crowd track into the backing track
twilit canopy
next stone
I think it's because it sets the backing track as the keys stem, and then only unassigned stem, the crowd stem, is left to be set as the backing track
In CONs, backing tracks and crowd stems aren't defined whereas instruments are
twilit canopy
What do you mean by defined? The con's dta does have the crowd stem's channels specified, or is that not what you mean?
next stone
I thought it only defined the instrument stems based on what I've seen in them
twilit canopy
No, crowd is there as well. I'm going to test something when I get home. Because only the con dta has the crowd channel info, so maybe the update dta also needs it?
next stone
Maybe
If that works, might be worth flagging it up to the RB3DX people, as I believe they maintain songs_updates
twilit canopy
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. If not though then I guess it's a yarg issue?
next stone
Yeah
Suppose a way to test could be loading songs_updates into vanilla rb3 on a modded 360 or converting it into a .PKG for rpcs3
twilit canopy
They say that the update files work in rb3, so they assume it's a yarg issue.
next stone
I have vanilla RB3 on RPCS3, I'll test at some point
twilit canopy
Ok when I tried inserting the crowd stuff into the update dta it broke the entire thing and none of the updates worked. To be fair though, I know nothing about dta or how to do it
next stone
How did you do it? What was that area like before and after your modifications?
I assume you went to a part that looks like this:
See "tracks"
Did you add like (crowd (15 16)) or something
twilit canopy
That's pretty much what I did, yeah lmao
I am not a good ambassador for this issue lol
For all I know I only put it in the wrong spot, idk
next stone
Did you put it directly below the keys line?
Oh also modifying songs_updates required you to scan twice for some reason
twilit canopy
I put it above the (extra_authoring disc_update) line, as that seemed to be where it was in the con
maybe I'll try scanning twice
okay scanning twice actually worked and the crowd track was absent from the backing
messed up the keys difficulty, but still
next stone
Okay we're cooking
twilit canopy
Another thing worth noting is that it completely eradicates the crowd track lol
Like it isn't even audible in the crowd stem
next stone
Oof
Do you have any software (that can't be named here) that lets you modify CONs and extract DTAs?
twilit canopy
yeah
next stone
Could you rip one with a crowd stem and share that section here so I can get a refresher
twilit canopy
like, a screenshot of the tracks section?
next stone
Yeah in notepad, like how I did above
next stone
Hmm
And when you edited songs_updates, did you add it as crowd_channels or as crowd?
I really think we're cooking here
twilit canopy
crowd_channels
twilit canopy
What do you think?
next stone
I reckon a post in #1139681226907734201 summarising what we've found, along with screenshots and screen recordings of all scenarios you've tested
Maybe also confirmation that it works fine in RB3
I think what's happening is when YARG processes the "tracks" section, it forgets about "crowd_channels"
Then it isn't redefined so it doesn't exist anymore
twilit canopy
so you think it's an issue on yarg's side, not the pack?
next stone
Potentially
next stone
They say that the update files work in rb3, so they assume it's a yarg issue.
^ was this confirmed via a message in another server?
twilit canopy
It's my understanding that these are the updates used in rb3dx, so I would assume so as I've never had this problem there
next stone
3dx may have special fixes in place for this, I only have vanilla RB3 so I will test on that at some point tomorrow
If the issue doesn't occur on vanilla RB3 then it's 100% a yarg issue
twilit canopy
Here's where the conversation started in mhx
They mentioned that rb3 doesn't require the crowd track to be redefined, that it pulls it from the original song dta
next stone
Re-posting conversation here in case a dev looking at this isn't in the server
Well that confirms it
If the RB3dx Devs don't even know about this, then it is a yarg problem
twilit canopy
interesting. So I guess I'll open a bug report on it then
next stone
Brill, thanks
twilit canopy
honestly not even sure what to call it though. Like what is the issue? That yarg isn't reading the crowd channels?
next stone
Songs_updates adding keys tracks causes crowd_channels to not apply
Then the bug report could be summarised to something like "when 'Tracks' is redefined in songs_updates.dta without ''crowd_channels', the original 'crowd_channels' from the original DTA no-longer applies"
Then maybe link to this post
twilit canopy
ok there. Me trying to accurately convey what's going on here is like me trying to find an exit in a pitch black room. Confused, clumsy, and no idea if I'm heading in the right direction