#Question: Sex and Gender and identities

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potent magnet
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So i was talking with a fellow trans friend of mine, and she is a younger and more recently hatched trans person, and she hasn't been as educated about a lot of the specifics or such which is totally understandable. And we were talking about Sex and gender and she's under the impression that sex is just biological and not an identity while gender is. And i was saying that sex typically matches or corresponds to a person's gender especially like with most binary trans people i feel. But you can identify differently with your sex just like your gender. Because there are people, like myself, who identify as altersex (like intersex but when you weren't born as intersex and identify biologically like something that's not the binary sex you were born with). Most people, when trans especially, transition to try and have their body and life experience match their gender, and those who identify with the sex they weren't born as typically medically transition to have that match as well.
This is my understanding, through seeing others talk about their shared experiences; both cisgender and transgender, people who identify with their sex being altersex.

sorry about the ramble, but i'm just trying to ask and see if others generally agree with this understanding of it. Because i am transmasc genderfaun (genderfluid but never including femme/girl aligned genders) and identify as altersex because i feel my biological and physical sex is meant to be inbetween male and female and not be strictly one or the other.

i'm also autistic so the way my brain works to understand all of these things makes me want to try and understand the general consensus. I do also know for a fact others have similar experiences with their sex and gender identities.

unreal iron
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As a transsexual I am biologically male, just not sexually. I am not changing my gender when i talk hrt im altering my sex and that is a biological fact. Transsexuals are transsexuals because that is their biology.

“Gonadal steroids have remarkable developmental effects on sex-dependent brain organization and behavior in animals. Presumably, fetal or neonatal gonadal steroids are also responsible for sexual differentiation of the human brain. A limbic structure of special interest in this regard is the sexually dimorphic central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), because its size has been related to the gender identity disorder transsexuality. To determine at what age the BSTc becomes sexually dimorphic, the BSTc volume in males and females was studied from midgestation into adulthood. Using vasoactive intestinal polypeptide and somatostatin immunocytochemical staining as markers, we found that the BSTc was larger and contains more neurons in men than in women. However, this difference became significant only in adulthood, showing that sexual differentiation of the human brain may extend into the adulthood. The unexpectedly late sexual differentiation of the BSTc is discussed in relation to sex differences in developmental, adolescent, and adult gonadal steroid levels.”

potent magnet
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but isn't the term used now transgender not transsexual? but the use of transsexual from awhile ago was more so used when most transgender people medically and surgically transitioned?

especially because there are trans people who don't desire to medically transition at all, wether binary or nonbinary trans people. And their gender is separate from sex, and sexual characteristics don't need to be altered to make them valid as the gender they identify with.

The way you say it makes it seem as if trans people need to medically transition to be valid as the gender they are /gen

unreal iron
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Im barley medically transitioned myself im on HRT. I use the term transsexual as a way to refer to my binary sisters and brothers(ftm and mtf) and transgender as a way to refer to my non binary sisters and brothers (gender-fluid, demiboy/girl, etc) just how sex and gender isnt the same nor is transsexual or transgender

transgender - someone whose gender identity differs from their assigned one and the one they’re expected to retain for their entire life
transsexual - someone whose differing gender identity requires medical intervention such as HRT or surgery in order to live

Its just a better way to elaborate you dont need to medically transition to be trans and idk where i ever implied that in my original text

potent magnet
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but there are binary trans people who don't always need or want to fully transition medically, as in all surgeries + HRT

transgender is more so to refer to anybody who isn't the gender they were assigned at birth, including binary trans ppl (mtf and ftm) and nonbinary people (everything else)

unreal iron
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Yes, transsexuals are transgender but not all transgender are transsexual.. i never brought up binary trans people that dont need to or want to fully transition medically because the whole point of the term transsexual is to describe the group of people that want or are altering their sex . Im not invalidating ppl that dont need or want to im just categorizing the people that do

“this is a note from me but its very funny to me that transsexual used to be reserved only for people who had surgery so a trans person could be years on hrt and still get called not a true transsexual because of no surgery. kat blaque talks about this + it appears in trans zines also, as far as i can see, currently, transsexual can include people who WANT to medically transition even if they’re not currently but people argue about that so i havent put it in my initial definition. you’d have to see if someone means that too when they say it.”

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The first part of your text is legit the whole reason why i used the term bc im talking about trans people that dp need these at the expense of their life 😭😭 me included.

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When you transition(HRT) your sex DOES change hense using transsexual

potent magnet
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oooooohhhh ok i see what you mean now /gen

unreal iron
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Yeah but i do believe if youre calling a transgender person “biological female” or “biologically male” its like.. very icky like..

potent magnet
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yea! /gen

unreal iron
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Esp since biology backs transgenders up as a real biological phenomenon my brain marker is male im just not “sexually” male i dont identify as biologically female i rather just be like.. ftm yk

potent magnet
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yea yea i get what you mean now /gen

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so basically you're sharing your experience to show how i'm understanding it correctly?

unreal iron
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Ya