“People can’t be helped unless they want to be helped”

[pastel pelican]

My brother in Christ have you considered mental illness makes your brain weird and act fuckign stupid or what
Have you perhaps considered that these people have tried to get help and help themselves for years but they’ve been met with coldness and rudeness and useless flowery words
AND YES IM TALKING ABOUT PPL IN THIS SERVER

[versed zenith]

oh my

[pastel pelican]

Yeah well the mods and helpers here act like they’re such good people

They’re just as pathetic as the rest of us

[severe stone]

I'm sorry if i come off as callous, but what point are you trying to make? In the end, the only person who can save you is you. As someone who's been, and still is, at rock bottom in terms of dealing with mental illness, its a hard pill to swallow and I struggle with it a lot. But it's the truth regardless of how i feel about it.
What exactly is it you need?

[pastel pelican]

Well excuse me for being raised in an environment that has caused me to be unable to make decisions for myself

Excuse me for being unable to know what I need because I don’t know every fucking thing in the world

Excuse me for being raised in a traumatic environment that has altered my brain chemistry

[severe stone]

I'm gonna need you to slow down a bit. You're not the only person out there who experienced what you've experienced, and it's quite insensitive to believe otherwise.
You're making your intentions with this post very unclear. What is it you need?

[pastel pelican]

I don’t fucking know

[pastel pelican]

I literally just said that

[pastel pelican]

At what point did I say I believe otherwise

[severe stone]

First off, you're acting as though nobody else has been through what you have. Take a sec to realise that other people are being affected by the way you're interacting with this server.

Second, if you don't know what you need, then nobody is going to be able to help you. It's a cold hard truth, and a difficult pill to swallow. You won't get the help you need if you don't get out of your own head and make an effort to change the way you're living. I'm not saying it'll be easy, quick, or soon, but that's the only way you'll be able to move past the trauma you've experienced.

[pastel pelican]

I’m literally in therapy that’s why I’m pissed off
I’m mad that everyone is acting like I refuse to get help (YOU INCLUDED)

[pastel pelican]

How btw

[severe stone]

And before you get all defensive, I speak entirely from experience. I'm not riding a high horse, I'm simply relaying what I know.

[severe stone]

This is a key bit of information you didn't provide. Good job on getting therapy.
Now it boils down to this: what was the point of posting a big ad-hominem thread like this in the first place? Why did you make this post?

[pastel pelican]

Cuz I’m pissed off and there’s no vent channel

[severe stone]

Okay. Clarifying that this was a vent thread would have been very helpful, otherwise I would not have tried to help where it was not welcome.

I'll take my leave. Hope your day gets better.

[versed zenith]

?? i was raised in like the same environment and this doesnt excuse the behavior. no amount of trauma can be an excuse for anything

[pastel pelican]

I don’t use it as an excuse I know I’m a bad person

It’s an explanation

[versed zenith]

you said excuse me at the beginning. but if thats what you claim ill take your word for it

[pastel pelican]

I say excuse me in a sarcastic manner in that context

Look I do need help and I’m aware of that

[versed zenith]

you dont have to be this way, I just to be defensive too, people can change. You just have to accept yourself and strive to become the good in people

[pastel pelican]

You say this like I’ve never tried that 💀

[versed zenith]

and you are getting help and thats a big step! im proud of you, really

you said youre going to therapy right?

[pastel pelican]

Yes

[versed zenith]

it sounds like you gave up, but it doesnt have to stay that way

[pastel pelican]

So if I don’t want to get punched in the face over and over I’m the bad person (THIS IS A METAPHOR)

[versed zenith]

you just have to have lots of patience with yourself, its your first time living too. Everyones still learning

[versed zenith]

it wouldnt escalate to that point if there was more tranquility in the situation

[pastel pelican]

I’ve been trying to be nice and kind and reasonable for YEARS

it gets to a point

[versed zenith]

have you explained the intense emotions?

[pastel pelican]

No because I can’t

[versed zenith]

why not?

[pastel pelican]

I can’t explain shit to save my life

[versed zenith]

keep trying! i can guarantee theres load of kind people who wish they could just explode on the egotistical people nowadays

[versed zenith]

you can write it down when youre thinking about it, or give metaphors like you did to me

[pastel pelican]

Write it down

Like I have access to a pen and paper at all times

[pastel pelican]

It’s a shitty one

That’s like telling someone to document their feelings in the middle of a fucking forest fire

[versed zenith]

do you have a notes app on your phone?

[pastel pelican]

No I’m not going to write it down even in a notes app

[versed zenith]

its so that next time you go to therapy, they can give you coping methods

[pastel pelican]

How does one explain things that aren’t tangible to most humans

[versed zenith]

well for me i usually think about situations after they happen, so if i come up with something to say in the moment i can write it down

it helps?

[versed zenith]

you can overcome this with time and patience as you mature

[pastel pelican]

I guarantee you I’m going to forget this conversation in like ten minutes this will not help

Writing things down does not help

[versed zenith]

im the same way :,)

[pastel pelican]

Cuz when it comes time to use them I forgot

*forget

[versed zenith]

well ask your therapist if they can print papers of coping methods so its not entirely off memory

[pastel pelican]

I’m gonna lose those papers mate 😓

[versed zenith]

it just takes time and patience i promise you, you and everything will become better

[pastel pelican]

I’m literally stuck

[versed zenith]

ahaaa i have my fair share of lost papers

get a folder?

something so therapy isnt a waste

youre there so you can get help :)

[pastel pelican]

Naw mate I’m actually there for the free drinks

[versed zenith]

for 70+ dollars an hour?

[pastel pelican]

that will be lost(I lose everything and anything)

[pastel pelican]

I’m being sarcastic
Also it’s £160

Cuz she’s like
A psychologist or whatever

[versed zenith]

shes never diagnosed you with anything?

[pastel pelican]

No cuz she’s quite new

She doesn’t know shit about me (I don’t know shit about myself either)

[pastel pelican]

In the sense that I’ve only had her for four sessions

[versed zenith]

find you another psychologist, itll help so you wont be lost asking yourself whats wrong

[versed zenith]

my psychologist diagnosed me with a disorder my second day, find you a more experienced psychologist so theyre not running circles around you

[pastel pelican]

No she’s good she just doesn’t know anything about me

[pastel pelican]

Maybe I just dont have anything

Maybe I’m just a bad person have we thought of that

[versed zenith]

well you should try to be open with her, like VERY

[pastel pelican]

What do I even say bro

[versed zenith]

if you were “normal” you wouldnt be in therapy in the first place

[pastel pelican]

I never said I was normal
Bad people aren’t normal

[versed zenith]

not even with a counselor, a psychologist! who goes to school for 10 years

[versed zenith]

i dont think youre a bad person

have you killed a puppy?

[pastel pelican]

yeah well idk what to say I jus sit there and let her lead the way

[pastel pelican]

I’ve killed an actual person before

[versed zenith]

woah whats the story behind that

[pastel pelican]

And I used to pull on my dog’s ears just for shits and giggles

[pastel pelican]

I cannot legally tell you

[versed zenith]

well youve never killed a dog so i dont think youre a bad person :)

[versed zenith]

i understand

[pastel pelican]

Austrian painter never killed dogs
He was a bad person

I am genuinely a shitty human being mate you have GOT to stop being so trusting 😭🙏

[versed zenith]

look people can change and get better, never put yourself under a title, whether its “murderer” or “bad person”

you and only you can be the change

[versed zenith]

i have faith in you :) you have the strength to get better through therapy

dont try to push me awayyyy

[versed zenith]

usually serial killers start with killing animals

…here in the americas 🦅

[pastel pelican]

Well that was in 1940s Germany

I might be being a dickhead chat

Sorry

Ur just trying to help

[versed zenith]

im used to it and honestly it helps with my patience to be honest