yall i screwed up so bad D;

[main sundial]

so i bought some lgbt pins (they're amazing btw) and my dad saw them (i've only come out to my mum and brother- kinda ironic im less scared to come out to a 10y/o who makes homophobic jokes, but he didn't know what they meant and doesn't do it anymore thankfully, than my own father) and he got mad at my mum for letting me buy them (it was MY money fgs) and apparently im 'too young' to know about LGBT (i'm 13) but there's literally an LGBT board at shool wdym i wouldn't know?! but i'm pretty sure he's homophobic but i didn't know before coming out bc it never came up in conversation, and i'm debating if telling him my exact sexuality will help (im aroace and and that helped with my mum, while she believes its bc i just 'havent found the right one' it's better than the icy silence)

[crimson warren]

i wouldn’t put the homophobic label on him just yet unless he has had negative reactions to queer people before. this might be a very new thing for him to think of his child as queer and it might just be a thing for him to get used to.
most parents when their child is born have a set path in their mind for how they see their childs future looking like. if those parents didn’t grow up with that being normalised, they often will depict their child in a hetero relationship. something throwing a stick in the stream snd causing a new branch to grow can be a scary change and can be difficult to get used to.

obviously “it’s too young” is definitely not the ideal response, however as i said, it might just be a thing he needss to get used to

i hope you are safe however and your dad does turn out to be accepting

[main sundial]

Bc i have come out to my mum (who's older, i might add) and she didn't really object, but then again, everyone's different i suppose and at least i can be out to my friends my school is mostly supportive and i'm so grateful for that, but the funny thing is i've had pride flags hanging in my room MONTHS before, he didn't even notice

[crimson warren]

yea, maybe he just doesn’t look at your room often?? 🤷‍♂️

im not too sure, but i hope he comes to terms

[main sundial]

yea tbh he doesnt but i would've hoped he would have noticed like fgs it took my mum only a few hours to notice

he still hasnt notice, i have no intentions of telling him.. yet

[crimson warren]

mums are always more observant

[main sundial]

ya fairs

[crimson warren]

anyways i gotta skoot, i wish you luck

[main sundial]

byeee

[glass crag]

I somewhat agree with him... you should wait a little until you know for sure because choosing a major choice at 13 is not such a good idea because you just started puberty I would say wait till your 15 - 16 to decide for sure but I guess you can still experiment

[indigo loom]

what choice?

[glass crag]

not a choice I meant life decision

13 is a little young to know sexuality

[crimson warren]

Decision means choice

[indigo loom]

all ive read from the op is that theyve bought pride pins (presumably ace/pan).

[glass crag]

because they identify as Ace

but 13 I feel is too young to know that for sure

[crimson warren]

They identify as aroace, it's stated in the msg

[glass crag]

I would say wait till 15 or 16

when you are practicly done puberty

and in the last stage

[crimson warren]

Attraction isn't something that comes with puberty. A lot of kids even under 13 have crushes, some of them even to the same gender

[glass crag]

13 - 15/16 I think is the age of exploration

[glass crag]

Its not real crushes

kids dont have the hormones yet

[crimson warren]

That genuinely makes no sense

[glass crag]

they dont feel love until puberty

[indigo loom]

speak for yourself ive had tons of crushes under 13

[crimson warren]

Yea me too

[glass crag]

I dont mean to get graphic

[crimson warren]

I was making love letters and stuff for my crush when I was 7

[indigo loom]

i had my first boyfriend when i was 12

[glass crag]

it is not real love

[crimson warren]

So me wanting to hold hands and kiss someone at 7 wasn't a real crush

[indigo loom]

you cant prescribe feelings onto other people

[crimson warren]

^^^^^

[indigo loom]

you can say that you personally didnt feel love when you were 7

[glass crag]

no because did you get "hard" or "wet" at 7?

that is not real attraction

[crimson warren]

That's arousal, that's nothing to do with romantic attraction

[glass crag]

yes that does

nobody falls in love under puberty

[indigo loom]

asexuality is valid 🔥

[glass crag]

yes have a girlfriend maybe

but not "love"

[indigo loom]

what is love 👀

[glass crag]

Its simple Biology

[glass crag]

its arousal

[crimson warren]

Children who are ||sxualy abused|| at young ages can have arousal before puberty

[glass crag]

and were you abused?

[crimson warren]

Yes

Not that it's any of your business

[glass crag]

sxxxualy?

I know that

[crimson warren]

Yes

[glass crag]

it is not my buissness

[crimson warren]

Then why ask

[glass crag]

then call the police

by an adult?

or a kid?

[crimson warren]

Abuse is abuse regardless of if it was done by a kid or an adult

[glass crag]

what do you consider abuse?

[indigo loom]

by arousal do you mean s**ual arousal?

[glass crag]

yes

[indigo loom]

that definition of love excludes practically all asexual people

[crimson warren]

Btw it isn't ok to try and tell people what they are feeling. Dictating people's attraction or feelings is incredibly toxic and controlling. Also you're doing this to complete strangers, and it is so weird to talk about puberty to a 13 year old that you don't know

If op identifies as aroace or pan or wtvr, that isn't up for anyone but them to figure out. Their identity is just that. THEIR identity. Not yours, not mine, not their parents.

Keep your acephobic opinions to yourself

[glass crag]

Im not acephobic?.I just dont think 13 year old should be disscussing these things and say things they dont even know about themselves yet

[glad prism]

you’re acephobic because your depiction of “love” is s*x

[glass crag]

Exactly! And that is why a 13 year would not know if they are Aroace yet! Because they just started puberty and never even got the chance to fall in love yet

that is why I said they should experiment first and of they still feel like they are Aroace by the age of 15-16 or maybe even 18 then ok

[crimson warren]

a lot of people start puberty at 9 so 13 is like mid puberty for those people

puberty doesn’t always start at teenage years

[glass crag]

Who said they started at age 9?

[crimson warren]

me hitting puberty at 9??

my mum hitting puberty at 9

so many ppl i know hitting puberty at 9

[glass crag]

That is also the age when the brain signals the hormones to get ready and it is not real growth

real growth happens at age 11

[indigo loom]

from wikipedia's page on puberty
"On average, females begin puberty at age 10½ and complete puberty at ages 15-17; males begin at ages 11½-12 and complete puberty at ages 16-17."
the female average is close to 9

and of course, theres exceptions to this average who may start puberty earlier or later

[glass crag]

Yes but that is not growth that is just the brain signaling to get ready

[crimson warren]

Mos, I hope you realise your argument is used by so many parents as an excuse to not accept their children as queer

[indigo loom]

going by 15 as the end-point for puberty (which is very possible) then 13 is most of the way through puberty for a female.

[crimson warren]

So your body telling you that you're physically ready to produce children and having growth spurts isn't hormonal growth???

[glass crag]

It is not an excuse it is reality and children should not be identifying as something in LGBTQ before 15 or 16

[indigo loom]

no identifying as LGBTQ is awesome and valid 🏳️‍🌈

[crimson warren]

Gang this is such a wild conversation

[glass crag]

Yes but not when you never even se!ually matured yet

[crimson warren]

Being queer isn't only about sex or arousal

Romantic attraction isn't about sex or arousal

[glass crag]

Being aroace does

it means you dont have any arousal

but than in that case anyone under puberty can be called Aroace

[crimson warren]

Being aroace means feeling little to no attraction. Arousal isn't attraction, it's a physical thing

A lot of ace people still feel aroused even when not feeling sexual attraction

[glass crag]

They never found someone yet

[crimson warren]

WHAT

[indigo loom]

blud rlly said she wasnt acephobic

[glass crag]

No I just dont belive kids can be aroace

[crimson warren]

I wish we could ping a staff member

[glass crag]

I say wait till they are 15 or 16

[indigo loom]

how about instead dont make patronizing statements about a communtiy you arent apart of and arent familiar with

[glass crag]

I feel so bad for this worl

world

[crimson warren]

I knew I was queer when I was 13 because I was a girl having romantic feelings for my best friend who was also a girl

[glass crag]

sooner or later people are going to identify as baby lover and child snex is going to be legalized

[indigo loom]

tell me you hate LGBT+ people without telling me you hate LGBT+ people

[glass crag]

I am LGBTQ

[crimson warren]

p*dos are not queer at all and people know that

[crimson warren]

Queer ppl can be queerphobic btw!!!!

[glass crag]

Well kids are not supposed to be talking about sex

[indigo loom]

equivalating queer identities to p*dophilia is one of the most common queerphobic narratives in history 💀

[glass crag]

Stop twisting my words

[crimson warren]

AGAIN. BEING QUEER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX. OP WAS TALKING ABOUT BUYING PINS. NOT HAVING SEX

[indigo loom]

"sooner or later people are going to identify as baby lover and child snex is going to be legalized"
explain this slippery slope 👀

[glass crag]

And why did they buy the pins?

[crimson warren]

There are many different reasons why someone would buy pins

[indigo loom]

to express themself 💀

[crimson warren]

-being queer
-being trans
-supporting queer or trans friends/family

So many different reasons. BUT NOT TO TALK ABOUT SEX

[glass crag]

Kids are not supposed to express sexual orientation

[crimson warren]

15-16 year olds are still kids

[glass crag]

Teens that have nearly finnished puberty and can handle the concept*

[crimson warren]

They're still kids though

I'm 18 and I'm still going through puberty, does that make me a kid??

[glass crag]

No they are older teens that finnished puberty and are now more mature and able to mentally handle these things

[crimson warren]

Teens = someone in their teenage years who are not yet adults

[glass crag]

No your not a kid

[crimson warren]

aka CHILDREN

[crimson warren]

But I'm still going through puberty

Does that mean I don't fully know if I'm queer because I'm not at the end of my puberty?

[glass crag]

So? You are almost finnished

I am 16

I am also almost finnished

[crimson warren]

You're biologically male. Bio males and bio females experience puberty different

"It's biology"

[glass crag]

We are at that time where we can have crushes

[glass crag]

No!!!!

[crimson warren]

????

Did you fail biology class or something???

[glass crag]

Stop just stop

[crimson warren]

No, you stop.

[glass crag]

Ok ill stop just please stop it

it hurts so bad....

[indigo loom]

op is 13
a source corroborates a 10½ to 15 puberty duration as plausible/common
13 is most of the way through said puberty hypothetically
what is the threshold you want?

[crimson warren]

I'm sorry if me using those terms hurt you, but I need you to know it hurts people to try and dictate their identity purely based on your opinions

[glass crag]

I get it

I am sorry

i guess maybe I am a little jealous of them

[crimson warren]

Atp, apologising really isn't something that will help. I would recommend looking at how you behave towards this kinda stuff and trying to better yourself and understand that everyone experiences things differently. I understand being jealous, however maybe let's open a thread in #1184731154667020359 to talk about it and I can try and help you with it

[glass crag]

Yea thanks

[crimson warren]

No problem

Anyways, op! Don't forget to be yourself even if your dad needs time to accept it. Love yourself no matter what and even if (keyword if) your attraction does change, you're still 100% valid

[glass crag]

I posted it

[stone nymph]

Hey Ghost, Jaiden, Jasper Just wanted to post this here for you all to have a heads up MosMap aka MoscowMap is the same person. This person is the same one who claimed to be transgender and a supporter of Donald trump. They got caught spewing a bunch of mis-information and did nothing but spew hate toward the LGBTQIA+ community. Each time they were caught they would say sorry then do it all over again. This person is avoiding being banned by constantly starting over in this discord. Before discord can react!

The interesting thing is this person has Map in their names all the time and Map means Minor attracted person. Hence their statement on sooner or later people are gonna to identity as baby lover and child snex is gonna be legalized. (When the truth is this will never happen) They ask out of line questions like if people have been abused sexually and other things of this nature. This person also will say how they can claim to be trans at 16 but how others can not say they are some other sexuality or have a gender identity cause they are too young.

This person has been caught saying some of the most hateful fueled things about the LGBTQIA+ community they claim they hate all democrats and assumes that everyone who is in the LGBTQIA+ community is democrats. They constantly claim its their religion and their family believe system that makes them this way. When that was already debunked and so was the other things they say they suddenly say stop like they are the victim. This person is a danger to our community 100 percent.

just thought you all should know what kind of person this is that's commenting in here.

[stone nymph]

No normal person says this the only people who are are the people who want this a reality. And for your information Maps aka Minor attracted person and or P3dos will never be accpeted in the LGBTQIA+ community or legalized so stop trying to push this. Also why would you ask someone if they been SA'ed as a kid? In an agrument that your starting.

[crimson warren]

Holy wow!! Tysm for telling us, I will be blocking them immediately. I thought their behaviour was super weird, i shouldn’t have brushed it off and gave the benefit of the doubt

[stone nymph]

No problem I did the same thing then noticed to many red flags and they already left this chat as they did the first time they got called out.

[crimson warren]

Hopefully they don't come back. Super duper sorry to Jasper for clogging up their thread with this shit

[indigo loom]

also sorry : ( i hope y'all have a great day

[main sundial]

honestly dw about it i wasn't even online for the majority

[main sundial]

and I'd argue that it's not too young, it's none of your business to argue with a stranger on the internet about their sexuality, do you really think I give a flip what you think? Really? If I don't even know your real name? Sorry but I don't care for p3dos. And for that matter, I can very well be be aroace, I have never had a relationship in my life or even a crush, and the idea frankly disgusts me. And while I do feel attracted to others, it is in no way romantic or sexual. So that's that, and to be honest I started puberty at 10 flip the hell off (why is this even about puberty anyways, it's honestly uncomfortable)

[main sundial]

Most of the kids at my school who come to our LGBT club are 11/12 and those running it have nothing against it. Nor do I or any of the other older ones.

[main sundial]

they're just generic lgbt ones btw (just the flag and some funny little jokes)

[main sundial]

...Because I finally had the money and wanted to express myself, plus they were really nice. I didn't mean for my dad to see them, I was planning on keeping them secret, plus he doesn't really pay attention to me anyway, he works a lot in the day especially after school hours, and I spend a lot of time in my room alone anyways, I'm ambiverted and get especially introverted toward my family. So in theory I would've been fine if my dad hadn't seen that my mum had left them on my desk for me (I had put them in her shopping bag because I also bought some other things from that shop, all of which I really like, and I didn't want to carry them so she offered)

Sorry for sending so many messages in a row by the way

[crimson warren]

Preach

[main sundial]

they litterally change their pfp to excuse the 'mapper' in their name.....

nobody's falling for it

[crimson warren]

LMAO?

[main sundial]

bitch nobody believes you

actually, maybe we do. there's a lie in beLIEve for a reason.

:)

wordplay is so amazing

[crimson warren]

Frfr

[gusty moss]

me confused :

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