If all hope is loss, how bad is it of me I wanna let them be with their suicide thoughts? Like what if they are truly in a hopeless situation with no feasible choice to help, and I cant provide them support other than some comfort sentences, should I just say nothing or do I sympathize to the suicide thoughts and let them be.
#Suicide discussion
hoary vessel
round river
You situation seems really pressuring and I can imagine this doesn't put you at ease.
Here's a few points I can give you:
• Don't encourage or sympathize with their thoughts
• Be there to vent, listen, but also consider your own health
Every little thing you do to help them to get through this counts, you're helpful.
Let them know they're not alone, seriously tho they aren't.
"let's try finding help together ", they might deny it but you can always check in
Completely no idea and an emergency?
There's a site called findahelpline
Or call authorities.
It doesn't sound like the best thing to do but they're life is a gift and should be treasured and protected.
Last but not least you're a great person for being there when someone struggles. Kudos to you!
hoary vessel
You situation seems really pressuring and I can imagine this doesn't put you at ...
No currently I'm not in any situation like that, I'm just wondering if it's more appropriate to just let them be
I will make sure to give the person helpline list
I'm just afraid that I'm just hurting them if I keep pushing to find a change, I guess I will just be silent and offer my help when they want to reach out
tired torrent
#🆘｜crisis-help-channels if they/you need immediate help
hoary vessel
<#1176992653179621458> if they/you need immediate help
I should clarify
There's no one that need help in this discussion, it's just I tend to try to help people with their issue and I'm just trying to figure out what's the good way to assist the situation
Bur yea as I said if it ever happen I will give them resources
if suicide is the immediate solution they could they of, maybe it's not time for me to step in, I will just offer help resources and my attention, then move on until they are ready to talk again
red holly
If all hope is loss, how bad is it of me I wanna let them be with their suicide ...
I get where you’re coming from. It’s heavy — watching someone in pain so deep that even your care feels useless. And yeah, sometimes their reality does seem too much to bear, and you start wondering if it’s wrong to just let them feel what they feel, even if that includes thoughts of giving up.
But here’s the thing — suicidal thoughts don’t always mean someone wants to die. Sometimes it just means they want the pain to stop, and they can’t see any other way. In those moments, our presence can be the reminder that there is another way — even if they can’t see it yet.
You’re not responsible for saving them, but you are powerful in the sense that you can remind them they’re not completely alone. Even just holding space for someone, validating their struggle while gently reminding them there’s still more to their story — that matters.
So no, it’s not about ‘letting them be’ or ‘pushing them to fight.’ It’s about being human with them in the middle of the storm. That’s something words alone can’t measure — but trust me, it can mean everything.
tired torrent
ok
hoary vessel
I get where you’re coming from. It’s heavy — watching someone in pain so deep th...
hmmm do you have any simpler paraphase? writing paragraph during moment of crisis isn't my style though i really should write longer sentences
also it's hard for me to not let them be when I struggle a lot with suicide in the past
I feel like it's really the best move for me to just offer help then stay away till they need me
cuz it does suck when you are hopeless and someone keep telling you to stay strong when you are not
Maybe
red holly
hmmm do you have any simpler paraphase? writing paragraph during moment of crisi...
Yeah, I get that. Honestly, in those moments, big words don’t help much anyway. Sometimes just being there, quietly, without forcing them to “stay strong” is already enough.
You’re right — if you’ve been there yourself, you know how it feels when people try to push hope on you when all you want is someone who understands. So yeah, offering help and then stepping back until they reach out? That’s not giving up — that’s respecting their space while still showing you care.
You don’t have to fix them. Just reminding them they’re not alone can be more powerful than it seems.
hoary vessel
"I'm sorry you are in pain, I'm sorry the world is the way it is, I'm sorry you have to go through this. I can't tell the future, I can't tell how long and how far you must go through till one day the pain hurt less, but for now, I'm here, I can throw you memes and songs and other stuff, I just hope it doesn't end in immense pain in your last moment."
I guess this works
I just don't want to like, letting them go without peace
they had enough till that moment, asking them to stay when they aren'ready is cruel
I just want to be gentle if it's truly the end
red holly
Yes, that sounds very warm and human. Unpretentious sympathy, without pressure, is exactly what is needed, especially when a person has been through a similar experience. It's not “save someone”, it's “I'm here for you, for real”. And the phrase about memes and songs makes it even more human - because it's about simple little gestures that can warm you even when the world is falling apart.
hoary vessel
but then sympathizing with suicide is bad
red holly
but then sympathizing with suicide is bad
You're right to be cautious. Sympathizing with suicide isn't the same as showing empathy for someone's pain. It's crucial to make sure your response doesn't inadvertently encourage harmful thinking or make the person feel like their struggles are just a "normal" response. Instead, what you're doing is acknowledging their pain while still holding a line that reinforces the value of life and their ability to make it through, even if it's not easy.
The key is to show that you're there for them without agreeing that suicide is an option. A response like:
"I'm really sorry you're feeling this way. I can’t pretend to know what you’re going through, but I care about you and I want you to be okay. I’m here to listen, to support you in any way I can, and I really hope we can find a way to help you through this, even if it’s one small step at a time."
This shows empathy without sympathizing with the idea of suicide. It tells them that you care deeply but also that there’s a way out of the pain they’re in, even if it’s hard to see right now.
hoary vessel
eh idk, I can't really shake the feeling
when they can't see any hope or salvation, I can't convince them
red holly
I understand that feeling. It’s hard to talk to someone who can’t see the possibility of things improving. When they’re in that space, convincing them that things will get better can feel impossible, and that can leave you feeling helpless. But here’s the thing—sometimes, it's not about convincing them right now that things will be okay. It's about being there when they don’t have the strength to believe it themselves.
You don’t have to solve everything, and you definitely can’t solve everything in one conversation. But simply showing up for them, not trying to force hope but offering consistent care, can be life-changing. It doesn’t mean you’re changing their mind immediately—it means you’re a reminder that they’re not completely alone, and that can make all the difference when they’re in the darkest places.
If you can’t shake the feeling of doubt, that's totally understandable. It's okay to feel uncertain. The most important thing is that you’re being real with them, offering the support you can give, even if you’re not sure how much of an impact it’s having right now. It might not change everything today, but over time, it can help them see they don’t have to carry their pain alone. You don’t have to have all the answers, but just being a source of unconditional support can be the one thing that keeps them holding on when everything else feels like it’s slipping away.
hoary vessel
"If you truly want to go, if you can truthfully tell me you have found every escape route and not a single one of them work, if you really want me to believe you don't wish for something better, if you really don't wish for a happier future, if you don't just want to push away the pain you have right now, so that you can find the strength to move on. If you say no to all of that, to tell me you won't regret your decision, then I bid you farewell"
I guess
might be too heavy to brought up though
gosh
hoary vessel
If you can’t shake the feeling of doubt, that's totally understandable. It's oka...
I will try
red holly
That response comes from a place of deep care and concern, but it’s a really heavy way to respond, especially when someone is in that kind of emotional crisis. It’s true that sometimes people in that state need to feel heard, like they’ve explored all possible avenues, but statements like "if you truly want to go" can be very difficult to hear from someone who’s struggling with suicidal thoughts. It might unintentionally make them feel even more isolated, like there’s no one left to turn to, especially if they’re already feeling like they have no options.
Sometimes, offering unconditional support, and letting them know they aren’t alone—without pressuring them to make decisions about the future—can help them** feel less trapped in their current pain**. Your presence and care can make a huge difference, even if it doesn’t feel like it right away.
hoary vessel
alright then