Kimberly

[glacial notch]

You're not even hearing what's being said

[bleak zephyr]

There are a lot more easier way to settle disputes. Mang0 isn't wrong and neither am I or you guys.

Our views are just conflicting

[glacial notch]

You telling me I'm saying things I literally did not say

Cause you just wanna argue

[sharp compass]

What about the players who come from other fighting games, but are really new to SF? Is it wrong to use the notation they're less intimidated by and understand better?

[jade leaf]

its a player to player basis as well

[hollow breach]

Then ask them if they know notations? Cause most people don't know them.

[serene gyro]

at the end of the day who cares

[jade leaf]

I started with SF then played Gear and BB

[serene gyro]

I will continue to use numpad notation

[glacial notch]

Nah Mango has an opinion, which is fine. The problem is he trying to use himself as the benchmark and it's very disingenuous.

[serene gyro]

if you are confused figure it out for yourself

use your brain cells

or just ASK

[jade leaf]

if they wanna learn the game forreal, the notation is a small obstacle in the grand scheme

[serene gyro]

but numpad is understood by everyone except insanely stupid and stubborn people like yourself

[sharp compass]

My point is, for the 3rd time, that everytime two people (or more) who understand numpad notation talk in this server with it, you always butt in telling them they have to stop.

[marsh pewter]

Just ask for help instead of whining and asking people to stop next time, really simple

[serene gyro]

so it's not my job to conform to those people

[hollow breach]

See, your not understanding the topic. We said new players should hear the simple sf terms to learn the game. Nobody said they can't ever learn them if they choose to

[bleak zephyr]

Just give it up. We are mature people, there is no reason to get rowdy in here over numbers and notations

[serene gyro]

so then why did you tell me to change

[hollow breach]

Please read my comment again.

[glacial notch]

"CC stHK, fHK, crMP xx Cannon Spike is what you wanna do there"

This was my answer to a new player in the Cammy thread asking about a combo

[marsh pewter]

236HP

[sharp compass]

read mine

[glacial notch]

This is only an issue if y'all make it one

[bleak zephyr]

Everyone has an opinion and they can't force it on everyone else. Let it be

[serene gyro]

now we agree

[bleak zephyr]

If I was just an average person, I'd think you are insane

[serene gyro]

agree telling people to change to your tastes is dumb 🙂

[hollow breach]

Nobody said that like are you reading bro?

[sharp compass]

[bleak zephyr]

Cut it out

[serene gyro]

????????????????????????????????????????????????

[glacial notch]

You should if you want other people to

[marsh pewter]

It's so weird to think that if a new player ever gazes upon numpad notation they'll lose their shit instead of just ignoring it or ask for help

[glacial notch]

LMAO

[bleak zephyr]

Lol

[prime folio]

are u guys okay

[glacial notch]

Or just already understand it

Lmao

New to SF doesn't mean they never played another game

[serene gyro]

help I am a small african child who can only get food if I correctly answer what 236P means. why must I suffer through this, what cruel person made a notation so unintuitive to me

[bleak zephyr]

No we aren't

[marsh pewter]

Sf6 died bc someone in a discord used numpad notation

[hollow breach]

If they are learning the game and need help. Then go them. Not make them learn more stuff instead of simple terms was my point.

[glacial notch]

If they came from Persona, numpad is simpler than qcf lol

[sharp compass]

Hey, I was that new player. I didn't immediately shit my pants when I saw numbers. I asked for help, like a normal sane person.

[glacial notch]

This whole conversation is dumb and we're only having it because Mango thinks he's a genius

[marsh pewter]

I always hold new players heads down into the dirt until they learn

[serene gyro]

crystalmang0 if you want to understand numpad

so we can help you

that's fine

[sharp compass]

NO ONE HERE WAS TALKING TO A NEW PLAYER, YOU JUST HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE WHO KNEW NUMPAD NOTATION USING IT WITH EACH OTHER.

[hollow breach]

This isn't an anime fighter. These are different games

[glacial notch]

There aren't even any new players then they keep crying about

[sharp compass]

Elitist much?

[serene gyro]

so mang0 the way it works

[glacial notch]

Lmao

[serene gyro]

5 is where the stick rests

[hollow breach]

I am talking about newer players.

[marsh pewter]

Again that's your opinion not everyone elses

[serene gyro]

you move the stick towards a number on a numpad

for example, 2 is down

[sharp compass]

I was a new player at one point

[serene gyro]

since it's down from 5

[glacial notch]

All caps and he still can't see it

[serene gyro]

8 is up, since it's up from 5

[sharp compass]

fr

[glacial notch]

Why?

[marsh pewter]

Based

[hollow breach]

How is that an opinion. These are different games. Your not going to refer to things the same as sf.

[bleak zephyr]

Enough guys, this is getting nowhere

[sharp compass]

SF elitist detected

[serene gyro]

it is getting nowhere correct

[prime folio]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-kermit-nod-nodding-gif-24624072

[sharp compass]

Not very newcomer friendly

[bleak zephyr]

FT10 to decide what notations we'll use in the chat

[serene gyro]

okay look

how about

we all stop

[glacial notch]

Actually I'm down with this

[hollow breach]

How is that elitist? That's literally a fact. Different games. Anime fighters are much different than sf

[young frost]

Me hopin Capcom using the number of posts in channels to gauge popularity 💀

[serene gyro]

I post this guide again https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EeDpNGuctRLk6NSwFEEQciKJk7UdI6yD/view

and we actually hit the alb

[marsh pewter]

You aren't SF God, you don't get to assume what notation sf players use

[serene gyro]

instead of arguing

no shin stop

[glacial notch]

@hollow breach FT10 to decide notations

[sharp compass]

So you're saying that someone has to drop what they know and learn something that's potentially confusing to them?

[serene gyro]

learn kimberly

[hollow breach]

Who said that?

[serene gyro]

rubix learn kimberly stop arguing

mang0 hit the lab stop arguing

[glacial notch]

When I wash you, you have to learn numpad

Deal?

[sharp compass]

You did. You're saying SF is exclusively one way, when it's clearly not.

[marsh pewter]

You did literally replying to you

[serene gyro]

god dammit rubix

[hollow breach]

I said NEW PLAYERS, should be taught simple sf terms to LEARN the game and not be forced notations unless they want to

[serene gyro]

stfu

lab

get good

[bleak zephyr]

ENOUGH!

[serene gyro]

beat people's ass with kimberly

[bleak zephyr]

ENOUGH!

[serene gyro]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EeDpNGuctRLk6NSwFEEQciKJk7UdI6yD/view

[sharp compass]

ay this ain't on me

[bleak zephyr]

ENOUGH!

Ok y'know what

[serene gyro]

[marsh pewter]

Again your opinion, you are no SF god

[serene gyro]

[glacial notch]

So we throwing hands or nah?

[sharp compass]

also no one is forcing anything

[hollow breach]

So new players should be forced to learn a dictionary of notations to make learning the game harder?

[bleak zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-care-i-do-luke-street-fighter-street-fighter6-gif-26426248

[glacial notch]

You down, @hollow breach?

[sinful fossil]

why are the bros fighting?

[glacial notch]

Or do you just like to argue and not play?

[marsh pewter]

9 numbers is a dictionary to you?

[serene gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-luke-sullivan-street-fighter6-gif-26215294

[marsh pewter]

Well you do think 257 is a thing so maybe it is

[hollow breach]

Dudes are saying it's okay to force new players to learn notations over learning the game with simple sf terms.

[serene gyro]

[glacial notch]

Lol I wish I could react

[serene gyro]

[hollow breach]

Stubborn.

[glacial notch]

All this typing and I'm not leveling up

[marsh pewter]

No I'm saying use whatever you want for new players, either are fine

[sinful fossil]

just learn all notations like me

LMFAO

ez

[hollow breach]

I said if a new player wants to learn notations the they CAN. Not force it upon them

[sharp compass]

Y'all gotta do Guy mirrors on SSF4 on Xbox 360

[hollow breach]

Keep saying that

[glacial notch]

We going in circles

Just drop it

[young frost]

Check the welcome channel?

Yeah cuz you have no rank

[hollow breach]

Made my point. Moving on

[marsh pewter]

No one is forcing it, that's in your head

[glacial notch]

I checked like 5x lol idk what I'm doing wrong

[glacial notch]

It's all good let it go

[sharp compass]

check the rank channel at the bottom of the list

[glacial notch]

Mango ain't tryna throw hands

[hollow breach]

Read the chat since you choose not to. Done talking about it

[serene gyro]

hey guys you know what's cool about mang0

his falco

[glacial notch]

Lv0 20/35 exp

It hasn't moved since I checked last

[sharp compass]

I'm server rank 69

[glacial notch]

Lol I need someone to sort this out

[young frost]

Leave and try again maybe 💀

[glacial notch]

I'm not in here arguing with Mango and a 15 yr to get no xp

[manic drum]

Qcb K

[sharp compass]

Nah it probably just doesn't update right away idk

[serene gyro]

anyone know what the max damage combo is with kimberly

like if you were to use EVERY resource

full drive gauge and critical art

[glacial notch]

And Lv3 buff I'm assuming

[serene gyro]

is it even possible to get 2 level 3s in a match

[glacial notch]

I think I've done it

[serene gyro]

so then yeah level 3 buff

and the 11% damage increase

[glacial notch]

Or you can just use the glitch lol

[serene gyro]

OH YEAH

i forgot about that

hope they don't patch it I love unintentional tech likethat

[sharp compass]

Max damage? Level 3? CA?
I'm just gonna drive rush cancel 3 jabs into another 3 jabs and do it again.

[serene gyro]

well no

because you can heavy punch into heavy dash punch

then jump cancel medium punch > air ex tatsu > land super 3 in the corner

I think it might be jump in heavy punch/kick (both do the same amount of damage) to start

then drive rush combo

so like cLP > LP > drive rush > cLP > LP > drive rush > cLP

then heavy punch > heavy dash punch > jc medium punch > air ex tatsu > land super 3

the air ex tatsu should use the last of your meter

and put you in burnout

so this is really the ultra optimal "I want this to kill" combo

[glacial notch]

There's also PC stHP xx LP Teleport, stHK as the starter

[serene gyro]

but it should do like 60% bar lmfao

[serene gyro]

ooooooooooooo

so PC stHP, stHK

then the drive rush segment

then the main beef of the combo is the heavy dash punch super cancel in the corner

[glacial notch]

Yea but keep the jabs out lol

[serene gyro]

why keep the jabs out

oh wait damage scaling

didn't consider that

jabs might make you do less damage

in fact that means you use more meter and more moves to do less damage if I'm understanding right

[glacial notch]

You can go that route or 236PP DR Target Combo

[glacial notch]

Exactly

You want as many Mediums and Heavies as possible

[serene gyro]

wait can you cancel EX dash punch into drive rush????

that's crazy lmfao

[glacial notch]

Nah it's a link

You seen Diaphone's Kim?

[serene gyro]

well can you link it into heavy punch

or is that too lsow

because I think being able to have a big combo lead into super 3 is huge

[glacial notch]

This goes into Lv3

[serene gyro]

which I don't think target combo can do except directly

yeah but it doesn't get the air tatsu

[marsh pewter]

Yeah you can link into 236 LP

[glacial notch]

The one with the launching kick can

It links into elbow

[glacial notch]

Yea exactly lol

[serene gyro]

oh so not target combo but bushin chain

the LP MP HP HK shit

[glacial notch]

That's a target combo, but yes

[marsh pewter]

I thought those were target combos

[serene gyro]

well no

it's actually a different move

the HP in bushin chain is a different move than the HP in target combo

that's why in the command list it has it's own thing

[glacial notch]

There are two variations

[serene gyro]

right there's also the side switch bushin chain

[glacial notch]

I'm fine not calling it a TC for simplicity's sake

[marsh pewter]

Whatever but yeah very useful for corner carry and lvl 3

[glacial notch]

Yup

And it's swaggy

[serene gyro]

did not know bushin led directly to light dash punch lmfao

That's super helpful

[marsh pewter]

Only in DR juggle state though

[glacial notch]

It's the LP>MP>dfHP>HK one

[marsh pewter]

It's my go to 4 bar combo from a S.MK whiff punish

[serene gyro]

How much damage does it do

[glacial notch]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAl4i2mS9SdBtPxdrK9iMxgwd9JDXNy50

[serene gyro]

Timestamp? Clip is broken

[glacial notch]

14:29

He does it a lot throughout the video tho

[serene gyro]

Woah holy shit

And because it's a link that's only 1 bar to drive rush

[marsh pewter]

About 2.5k iirc

[glacial notch]

That's the proper way to use DR

Cancelling you shouldn't really do unless you have to or it'll kill

Seeing people waste all that meter to get nothing but a throw is wild to me

😭

@serene gyro you know how to combo into EX air throw mid screen?

[serene gyro]

no actually

for some reason ex air throw doesn't work after I use heavy dash punch

even though it feels like it should

[glacial notch]

TC xx DR, crHP, TK EX Air Throw

[serene gyro]

damn that's 5 bars

[glacial notch]

2369PP for the elite

[serene gyro]

also what is the point of ex air throw anyways because it does less damage than non ex

[glacial notch]

😭

[glacial notch]

Lol it's fun tho

[glacial notch]

OTG state or whatever

You can fHK to combo after

So you can go into super or mix

[marsh pewter]

236K-LK, 214HK too for meterless

[glacial notch]

You know what I didn't realize during the beta?

LP>MP>HP, 214K is a thing

So you can get that off raw OH in the corner

[serene gyro]

overhead going into cLP is so fucking busted it's insane

[glacial notch]

bHK, crLP, LP>MP>HP, 214MK

[cerulean peak]

I thought LP>MP>HP chain wasn't special cancelable. Does it link?

[glacial notch]

Yea it links

You can get 214MK after MP>HP xx 236K>MK too

[serene gyro]

can you get 3HK > spray can oki

i think I've seen that a bit

especially off of the simple target combo > heavy tatsu in the corner

[glacial notch]

More random info: DR Slide(dfMK) is +14 at best and 0 at worst

[serene gyro]

+14

[glacial notch]

That's PC at max range lol

[serene gyro]

still crazy tho

does that link into HK?????

[glacial notch]

She low key has a Blanka slide that she can combo off lol

It should

On regular hit I was able to get +10 and link stHP

On block it should be between -6 and +4

[serene gyro]

+4 on block lmaooooo

Kind of related but has anyone looked at the blockstrings Kimberly has when opponent is burned out

And we don't have to worry about invulnerable dp

[glacial notch]

Her Run Overhead is +1 lol

EX is +3

EX Run LK is +7 I believe so stMP is a true blockstring there

Or you can do something like.... EX Run LK(+7), cr.MK(+5), stLP(+2)

[bleak zephyr]

All this is gonna change tomorrow

[sinful fossil]

who knows

[bleak zephyr]

It will

[sinful fossil]

🧘

[bleak zephyr]

Ok wtf is TC and TK?

[sinful fossil]

target combo and tiger knee

[glacial notch]

Target Combo, her MP>HP string
Tiger Knee, which is an instant air special

[bleak zephyr]

Tiger Knee, you mean like the input command for it?

[glacial notch]

Well, it used to be lol

Sagat's Tiger Knee used to be qcf uf K

That's generally how you do instant air moves... you end the motion in uf

[bleak zephyr]

I thought tiger knee was just shoryuken but with a kick button instead

[glacial notch]

It is now

But back in the day it wasn't lol

That's where the term comes from

Just like DP

[bleak zephyr]

Maybe I should run through her movelist again cuz I somehow don't know about an "EX air throw"

[glacial notch]

QCFPP is her command grab in the air

[bleak zephyr]

So it is Nue twister

Ok

[glacial notch]

Yea idk the names lol

[bleak zephyr]

God I sound like a total noob

[glacial notch]

I just go off inputs and general terminology

[sinful fossil]

whats nue twister?

[glacial notch]

https://glossary.infil.net/ This is a really good resource

All FG terminolgy is here

[bleak zephyr]

Or maybe its Izuna drop

I'm confused now

[glacial notch]

That's what I usually call moves like that

[bleak zephyr]

Hold on

Yes the air command grab is indeed Nue Twister

[sharp compass]

is both, but Nue Twister is the in-game name on the movelist.

[marsh pewter]

2369P my favorite move in fighting games

[glacial notch]

Izuna Drops are always goated

[cerulean peak]

A bit of a shame I haven't found much use for Izuna Drop other than to save meter.

[marsh pewter]

Yeah it's basically just that. Good ender from DI corner though

[bleak zephyr]

Don't you mean 236P?

[marsh pewter]

Nope

[mellow mantle]

I think he's talking about the TK input. The 9 is the jump before the special

[hollow breach]

Not true.

I think it does more damage than air mp to air tatsu I think. And it leaves you close to the opponent.

[marsh pewter]

Why would you say not true then agree with me?

[hollow breach]

I responded to your other comment

You agreed it's only useful saving meter

I disagreed

[glacial notch]

Lmao

[bleak zephyr]

Then he'll say 9>236P

[glacial notch]

Here we go

[mellow mantle]

No because the point of a tiger knee (TK) input is that you want the move to come out on the first possible frame of you being in the air. If you jump and input the move (depending on the situation) you're probably not going to get the desired result

[glacial notch]

Nah you don't jump first when you TK something

You do the input then end in up to get it as soon as you leave the ground

When possible, of course

[bleak zephyr]

So we go ⬇️↘️➡️↗️ + P?

[glacial notch]

Exactly

[bleak zephyr]

Hmm

[marsh pewter]

It was pretty obvious I meant her best meterless ender for those reasons you stated

[bleak zephyr]

STOP

[mellow mantle]

what kind of controller do you play on?

[bleak zephyr]

Ds4

[marsh pewter]

GO!

[bleak zephyr]

I'm hella good with keyboard though.

I use my right hand for the arrow keys and my left hands for buttons.

Punch: A S D
Kick: Z X C

[mellow mantle]

https://youtu.be/6Rqctrsi2Po

[bleak zephyr]

The way I play keyboard is probably why I can never use hitbox or leverless controllers

[glacial notch]

I've seen them flipped like that

[mellow mantle]

play what works for you. i was just googling a video and wasnt sure if you needed hitbox or something else. i think what i sent will work

[glacial notch]

https://youtu.be/27KaFILMjk4 @bleak zephyr 4:43

[bleak zephyr]

Cool!

[mellow mantle]

Is it the left handed controller?

[glacial notch]

Yea

[mellow mantle]

Got it. I was like man we're explaing TK inputs so how the hell did this come up lol

Those trial combos looked insane

[glacial notch]

Looks like the posts only count in general

So I gotta deal with those degenerates to rank up

Lmao trash

[young frost]

Damn. Glad it worked out tho

[glacial notch]

Good looks

[ember lantern]

can anyone confirm that her ex reversal isnt invincible in full release?

did it get changed

[glacial notch]

I'll let you know in a few unless @cursive frigate can chime in

[hollow breach]

The game is not updated

[cerulean peak]

Sorry I'm capt. slow bro on this, but as far as damage was concerned in the open beta. mp air tatsu < izuna drop < mp ex air tatsu < mp level 2 < mp ex air tatsu level 2.

It is true izuna drop leaves you closer to your opponent than ex air tatsu, but I dunno. just run 😛

[cursive frigate]

Hmm?

It's so far taken out but it was due to a recent patch

It's unknown if this is the final build patch or if there's a day 1 patch

[hollow breach]

What?

[cursive frigate]

This all happened after the embargo was lifted on reviews

[hollow breach]

Taken out?

[cursive frigate]

When Death first got his early copy which is when we confirmed the st HP nerf. She still had ex reversal

After reviews happened and embargo was lifted on that . A patch happened last night for all of them + the broken street date buyers

In that patch, Kim lost ex reversal

[hollow breach]

So what about current patch?

[serene gyro]

wait what did kim lose from standing HP

[cerulean peak]

Don't know how to search specifically in the Kimberly topic, but in searching for Nerf in:Characters I saw that block frames were reduced for st.HP.

I used to be that st.HP xx Run Stop was plus on block where as now it's minus on block.

BTW anybody wanna key me into how to search in a specific topic I'd love to know.

[glacial notch]

Type "in: " then you should get a drop down list for the channel

[cerulean peak]

The channel is Characters, but then in the Characters channel we have topics for each individual character. I'd like to do "in:Kimberly" but the only thing that works is "in:Characters".

[glacial notch]

Wait it's not even letting me search in here

[cerulean peak]

yup

[glacial notch]

Ooooh I think it's because this is a thread

[cerulean peak]

yeah thread/topics. whatever you want to call it.

I'm thinking maybe because thread/topics is a new thing in Discord, they haven't enhanced their search for it yet.

Or maybe I'm missing something.

[glacial notch]

Yea sounds right

[serene gyro]

oh god what did we do Kimberly now has the most comments in her channel by far

I just checked lol

[glacial notch]

There's a reason for that 👀

[cerulean peak]

More comments than the feet people.

[young frost]

She's just that great

[odd geode]

Hey guys, I just came back from twitter. it is true they nerf kim's ex Bushin Senpukyaku

[hollow breach]

Facts. The best there is

[jade leaf]

yes

[young frost]

What was nerfed exactly?

Damage?

[glacial notch]

Invincibility

[young frost]

Dang. No more Urien shenanigans.

[odd geode]

if they take invincibility, at least give it like aerial bunshin so you can lvl2

[jade leaf]

i hope for that too

opens up a few more combos for less drive

the knockaway is too strong tho

[young frost]

I never caught this lol

https://vxtwitter.com/KingRichie_23/status/1664020520159830017

[serene gyro]

that's because it's new

wasn't in the demo

[young frost]

Makes sense

[sharp compass]

arguments, but it is what it is.
I just wish talking here counted towards ranking up in the server.

But I think someone mentioned it only counts general

[glacial notch]

For real lol

That's annoying

I hit up the mods about it so we'll see

[cursive frigate]

As far her changed go St HP has a block stun reduction so she only gets + frames on OD run stop in burnout or off DR St HP now

OD Tatsu lost its 5f invincibility so it doesn't Punish meaty pressure anymore. In the beta it lost its invul on its active frames from what the in game frame meter showed

Cr HK is now -10 which is a universal change... All sweeps are at least -10.

Aside from that St HP is -4 I believe now and OD Run stop has 19f of recovery instead of 18.

There's more of a gap between her run options but St HP into OD run overhead is a 4f trap and if your trade it's +9 for us

Her level 3 buff glitch is still in and she has a new walking and idle animation with it.

[sinful fossil]

kimberly got nerfed right?

[jade leaf]

yes

[sinful fossil]

like into oblivion or still good?

[jade leaf]

still good, requires more thinking about your decisions

and reliance on system mechanics

[sinful fossil]

good

[jade leaf]

yea im gonna just play her against the cast before I form an opinion

[sinful fossil]

i like the fact that these stuff filters out people who were not going to commit to her

[jade leaf]

losing a reversal hurts but its not a massive deal

[jade leaf]

Exactly how I feel lol

let them leave

[sinful fossil]

yup

[jade leaf]

real bushin ninjas gonna work hard

[sinful fossil]

👨‍❤️‍👨

[jade leaf]

as long as she doesnt get put to a point where she gets half the reward for twice the effort of a better character

[marsh pewter]

I ain't a real bushin, i'll cya when she gets buffed

[sinful fossil]

NOOOOO

🥲

i was looking forward to using your videos stuff in the game

i hoped that you would be making more stuff on her

[marsh pewter]

I feel like I mapped out everything she had in the game already

everything else is just gimmicks

[sinful fossil]

hmm

[jade leaf]

cya round shin

cool videos fr 👍🏾

[marsh pewter]

I was thinking of making a video called "how to quit Kimberly in 5 min" and just go over her nerfs XD

[jade leaf]

damn

[sinful fossil]

you know what, you could make a video like that for all nerfs/buffs from obt to the game

[marsh pewter]

Yeah I feel like i'll have to since i'll get flooded with messages like "OMG I can't do the thing you said you could do in your video"

I doubt all these nerfs will stick, so I assume i'll still be playing her

I have to at least for this weekend, i got a bunch of tournaments to enter

[marsh pewter]

TY for the love though

[sinful fossil]

@marsh pewter what character will you play?

[marsh pewter]

good question, I was working on Chun for Kim's bad matchups. Going to check out Cammy, she fits a lot of the criteria i'm looking for

[sinful fossil]

🙏

[marsh pewter]

Long range light attacks, plus frame move on medium ( in her case c.HP which is almost the same), and good corner carry from combos

[cursive frigate]

Overall reversals are only good early driven it's a risk once you get down to 4-2 bars left obviously due to it being a bigger decision to make

Mental stack and defensive decisions are going to come more form being aware of block strings, space traps and interrupting. Much more than SfV

[delicate cave]

Kim loses her reversal while Juri gets to keep hers, hate to see it 😔

[glacial notch]

Install Glitch is gone

[sinful fossil]

good

[bleak zephyr]

The lvl 3 buff?

[cursive frigate]

Someone just recently checked it yesterday and it was still in @glacial notch

[mellow mantle]

https://twitter.com/0NIB0/status/1664160886192508928?s=20

These look so cool

[glacial notch]

I literally checked it last night lol

That shit is gone

[cursive frigate]

Yeah Diaphone confirmed. Good now people can complain Iess when they lose

[glacial notch]

I did notice something else

Idk if I'm bugging but didn't fHK used to cross over if you were too close, or was that just on crouching opponents?

Like, you couldn't do it point blank.... You needed some distance or she would just jump over them

[cerulean peak]

Pretty sure that's the case. Even on standing opponents.

[glacial notch]

So I'm not crazy lol

Well that's not a thing anymore

[cerulean peak]

Was annoying. I didn't use it much because of that.

Too close and you get full punished.

[glacial notch]

It doesn't go over them no matter what the distance is now

Standing, at least

[cerulean peak]

That's a nice QOL buff

[cursive frigate]

Hang on hang on

Fuck Run stop I just realized DR Hisen Kick in burnout is +4 without jumping

[cerulean peak]

What's Hisen Kick? The overhead?

or considering you're talking about not jumping it's the forward HK.

[glacial notch]

I'm getting +5

[cerulean peak]

It's probably distance dependent; like the slide kick.

[glacial notch]

Nah it's the same

[cursive frigate]

Might be hitting the 2nd frame

She has 3 on it

Move on over OD Run stop lolc

[glacial notch]

Damn that shit doesn't hop over at all anymore lol

Let me try a smaller character

[cursive frigate]

Nope that's the buff/nerf

Works on Lily who's the tiny tot

[glacial notch]

Yea doesn't even jump over crouching Lily lol

Idk how I feel about that

[cursive frigate]

It's a slight Nerf

Gotta jump outta the corner now

[glacial notch]

It's +3 when they're in burnout 👀

[cerulean peak]

Never tried to use it to get out of the corner. Activation and recovery are so long. I think I'd actually prefer it to hit them so I can then forward jump over them after hit or block.

[cursive frigate]

Ahem

Run stop is back

Cr HP into OD Run stop is +1

We are still blessed

[ebon geyser]

She neeeeeds it.

[last jasper]

Can someone explain why EX Air Grab doesn't work when you do Heavy Vagabond Edge?

Or downforward heavy 👊

[outer nacelle]

I forgot, but does the 3H put actually people in the air?

[last jasper]

If you are answering what I asked Vagabond Edge knocks them in the air and you can tiger knee motion the regular izuna drop

[cursive frigate]

@last jasper juggle limit

[glacial notch]

It works after DR crHP

[last jasper]

🤘you guys rock thank you 😊

[craggy warren]

What are Kimberly's normals that are special cancellable?

[jade leaf]

crLP
stLP
stLK
stMP
crMP
stMK
stHP
crHP
stMPHP (target combo)

[craggy warren]

Thank you king

[jade leaf]

[small lance]

Hi everyone am having trouble on this last trial

Advanced Trial 3 with Kim her aerial tatsu that whiffs barely off the floor after I throw the spray can

Is there a way to input the aerial in a way to make it whiff the first hit?

[jade leaf]

QCB UF+Kick

[hidden thorn]

anyone know how to get the jumping command grab after throw on intermediate 7?

my jump always feels like it comes out too late

[jade leaf]

you gotta tk it

QCF UF+Punch

[torpid ginkgo]

So no wakeup reversal options now? Even in OD?

[strange orchid]

EX Tatsu

[hollow breach]

OD tatsu doesn't work on the ground

[strange orchid]

Goootcha.

[wary wigeon]

nope

[uneven crescent]

Anyone got any advise I can’t link 3mk > 2P in the intermediate trial 2 any advise?

[craggy warren]

I have gotten blown up today thinking OD Tatsu was invincible on wakeup

What are her best AA options? I feel I keep getting blown up by mindlessly jumping opponents

[gilded lichen]

haha is it mindless if it's blowing you up?

[craggy warren]

Yes and it's skilled when I do it

[jagged perch]

not anymore 😦

[craggy warren]

😭

[glacial notch]

crHP xx Run Stop

[plucky path]

is there a dedicated kim discord?

[deft relic]

How tf do you connect her intermediate 2 combo

[glacial notch]

You have to land the slide during the later frames

Basically, start it from farther away so it hits near the end

[cursive ruin]

thanks for the tip it helped

[uneven crescent]

Thank you been stuck on this forever as well! Thanks!

[faint briar]

gonna take me a day or 2 to get used to her run followup input changes

now that i can't hold down the button for the move to come out

[hasty leaf]

Is there any good meaty with Kim? new to the character

[faint briar]

if you're looking for reward on hit/counter hit, crouching medium punch works well

[cursive frigate]

@hasty leaf Cr mk, St HK, and a meaty Cr HP

@plucky path yes there is

I'll dm ya

[glacial notch]

Hit me with that link too

[marsh pewter]

https://youtu.be/-hDvngIZYyU

[crystal plume]

yo new to fighting games can someone teahc me

just a lot of stuff I am confusded on

[delicate cave]

like what?

[crystal plume]

Bread and butter combos

and I have a few issues with imput

[faint briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDiGM0-hGYw

what are your issues with inputs?

[young oriole]

You can do instant air tatsu by QCB, UF K which is in her combo trials. Using a spraycan bomb set up with that is beastly

[young oriole]

You have to do qcb, uf and K

[small lance]

Thank you so much!

[young oriole]

Yw. I had to watch the cpu and look at the inputs.

[small lance]

Yeah I was so confused by it 😕 but thx a lot!

That's still a crazy input

[young oriole]

Having inputs viewable and watching the cpu are good ways to learn

[small lance]

I think I do have it on

But watching the inputs was still hard lawl

For that one that is

[rich night]

Hey. I have some real problems with Kimberly's jumping command grab. I'm trying to do it as a TK but I can't get it to connect after H elbow, OD elbow, or throw into spraycan. Any tips on that?

[merry kayak]

Guys im having trouble finding uses for the bomb can anyoone help me out?

[deft relic]

How do you get her OD nue twister to connect in her intermediate 7

[crystal plume]

no idea what any of thsi means

[delicate cave]

Hold 9(forward jump) half a second before actually jump then do the Izuna command grab input

Or w/e Kimberly's version of it is called

[rich night]

yeah, just always whiffing, such tight timing

[delicate cave]

Usually they're used in combos, sometimes for fake pressure

[merry kayak]

like in what typr of combos if you don't mind me asking

[delicate cave]

It's main a buffer, hard to explain since im not at home atm

[delicate cave]

Corner combos are usually the favorite, but theres a lot of combos in neutral

[rich night]

buffer the jump during the 236, like a tk movement, so 2369P

keep missing it like that...

[delicate cave]

Yeah 236P then hold 9 then release so you can immediately do the Izuna input as you're jumping

[merry kayak]

ok

[rich night]

I must be missing something, can't get it to work

[cursive ruin]

someoen please be honest with me

i dont have alot of time to play before im back to work for the week. Is kimberly still top mid tier?

i want to learn someone who's at least still in the game and since diaphone stopped playing her no top profile streamers play her currently

these nerfs havent had any real coverage to say if she's still viable or not

[glacial notch]

Upper mid? Yes.

If your opponent doesn't know the matchup, she's top lol

[cursive ruin]

sry every game i play whenever i devoid time to a character they always nerf them into the ground

they nerfed kim but didn't tell anyone and didn't post patch notes

[glacial notch]

Kim is still a great character

Got her to Diamond last night

The only nerf I really felt is the OD Tatsu one

No inv makes it hard to get out of shaky situations

[cursive ruin]

yea why did the nerf her DP??

[glacial notch]

I have no idea tbh

That was random

[cursive ruin]

tried to stay with anji in gg

didnt join the game till the last balance patch lol

[glacial notch]

Strive? Launch Anji was cheeks lol.

I played I-No so I know the struggle.

[delicate cave]

Just got home and tested it out

Basically hold 9 the entire time while she's doing the vagabond

When you see the second hit land, the 'jump' will be buffered so release 9 when you see her left leg lifted up after the second hit and she'll jump automatically

As so as you release 9, immediately do the nue twister input

[glacial notch]

You're not doing the OD version, are you?

Only the regular version works in those situations

[delicate cave]

Yeah the OD one doesnt work in that string

Also dont stress over it if you cant get it, its not even the optimal use for h.vagabond

I just mainly do it for style points

[glacial notch]

I just do DR Bunshin Chain 2, Elbow

[delicate cave]

Yeah thats a good one too

[rich night]

OD elbow doesn't go into air grab? or H elbow doesn't go into OD air grab?

[delicate cave]

OD air grab

[rich night]

oh man.... maybe I've been doing it all wrong. thanks for the tips @delicate cave @glacial notch I'll try some other combos with the elbow move

aka vagabond

[delicate cave]

@rich night Yeah the usual BnB is H.Vagabond->j.MP->214K(ex)->Lv.2 Super

[rich night]

much appreicated, will try later

i usually try to save for lv 3 for the install, since her damage is a little low

[delicate cave]

Yeah the level 3 buff is nice, although im not too reliant on it since she builds up meter at a nice enough rate

[final sand]

https://twitter.com/iw2ma/status/1665212860723523584?s=20

late DI beats actual H Blanka ball. Not even perfect parry timing either.
in fact doing it That Late will make it whiff again lol

[glacial notch]

I was just thinking about that lol

[vapid aspen]

this is from the beta https://twitter.com/Diaphone_/status/1578766802997620737?s=20

pretty sure it doesnt work anymore??

[final sand]

Don't know if you can Tatsu after 6HK anymore
But you can just do j.MP and get the can oki

[olive night]

Was gonna ask about the instant air grab too so thanks for posting tips ill try it out when i can

Hardest thing for me right now is drive rush

[marsh pewter]

https://youtu.be/TXwpdDq4zzM

Kimberly Mixup Guide (expert)

[green kernel]

I can’t get the timing on her run stop for Advanced 1 in trials to save my life. Any trick to it?

Actually, think I got it. Just not doing it fast enough.

[young oriole]

Is Cammy a bad matchup for Kim? I fought a decent Baby who had a good gameplan and good hit confirms

*Cammy not baby

[mellow mantle]

can i get that kim discord too?

[faint briar]

me too pls

[cursive frigate]

Sent a DM @mellow mantle @faint briar

[cursive frigate]

Those all still work but she has a better option now for the overhead. Less damage but it's a fuzzy set-up

[high violet]

Can Cr.LP connect into ST.mp??

[cursive frigate]

@high violet only on CH, PC or after Drive Rush

[high violet]

thanks!

[scarlet trellis]

Kinda crazy how priveleged I feel playing Kim haha. She doesnt have the best buttons but I wouldnt say theyre the worst either, asides from that she seems great

[sinful fossil]

i tried both her and cammy and kim's st.mk itself feels like a god tier button when compared to anything from cammy

rest everything is sorta shite

[delicate cave]

Cammy has some nice pressure tools, she's more aggressive while Kimberly is more defensive

[sinful fossil]

well cammy does have 4f of both cr and standing jabs

thats a plus

ill just play cammy till kim gets like completely fleshed out

[wary wigeon]

legit how does this character play against manon?

she just has too much poke and the grabs are insane

[hollow breach]

Footsie's

[median gyro]

I need to learn how to play Kim’s bomb well

[wary harbor]

Do you know bomb setups

?

[median gyro]

Nope

Beyond, kd, throw bomb

Or, raw bomb and pray

Barely been able to use it

[wary harbor]

You learn the over head setup

[lean trail]

i think the OD grab only works after bomb or 2HP antiair after DR

haven't fully labbed it, but those are the 2 situations i was able to OD izuna

[lean trail]

If you end a combo with the slide in the corner, you can drop a medium bomb immediately and meaty pressure

[median gyro]

Wdym

[wary harbor]

Od run then h bomb the 4hk

[delicate cave]

Yeah the OD works off bomb

OD bomb->d.HP->m.vagabond->OD nue in the corner

[wary harbor]

What do the different versions of Kim tp do

[glacial notch]

I was having TROUBLE against my boy's Manon. After a long back and forth set, we ended up going 17-20 him.

From what I gathered, Kim can't punish a lot of her shit due to lack of range on her normals, and Manon's buttons are just godlike in comparison. Trying to whiff punish or counter poke pretty much gets you killed. All you can really do is guess right on a command grab attempt and then get your mix started. Once you get going, there isn't much Manon can do to get Kim off her. The same is true on the inverse, however, due to the OD Tatsu nerf. On top of losing in neutral, this match up is just an uphill battle for Kim.

[delicate cave]

OD one is an overhead

[wary harbor]

So the l m h version don’t do anything different?

[glacial notch]

L/M/H are grounded, OD is airborne

I actually never checked if they have any differences lol

I'll do that in a sec

[odd geode]

done calibrated and got gold

✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ❌ ✅ ❌

thanks for carry me kim

[novel tree]

Hi guys. Is there a video guide to learn her?

[novel tree]

Where can i learn those?

[cursive frigate]

Look izonks but there's isn't like a fully in depth one yet since it's not even week 1

Shinlad has several videos as well

Also the more in depth Kim discord has a video section

[novel tree]

Where can i find it?

[wary harbor]

https://youtu.be/8BGAwxdRh9E

[novel tree]

Does she have good anti Air options?

[novel tree]

Thanks man

[cursive frigate]

@novel tree I'll dm and Cr HP, OD Tatsu are her best. Normal Tatsu can be used but it's air invincible on its active frames

[novel tree]

So its good anti air? Sorry but i am a noob. If its air invincible then its good right?

[scarlet trellis]

As a Manon player, you shouldnt lose footsies war against her as long as you watch out for the sweep special

[cerulean peak]

Should also be mentioned that cr.HP is special cancelable, so you can cancel cr.HP into heavy tatsu (I think that will connect), but I'm a try hard and go into run-stop for mixups.

Maybe I should just cancel into tatsu for the easy damage. Never tried through.

[jade leaf]

like ever

[scarlet trellis]

I can’t see her getting over 5MK/5HP easily

And Kim has good anti airs for her

[glacial notch]

Nah, this isn't true lol

Manon wins in neutral

She outspaces her and can whiff punish almost everything

stHP is useless her

cr.MK and stMK are the only buttons you can really use

Manon's stHK(I think that's it) has very deceptive range, it whiff punishes nearly everything Kim presses, and she can't punish it unless it's spaced horribly.

If ya'll wanna see what I'm talking about in action, look me up on CFN "TheDivineOne" and watch my last few replays. All against my boy's Manon.

[scarlet trellis]

What manon button out ranges her??

[glacial notch]

Almost everything lol. Kim's hitboxes are tiny.

[scarlet trellis]

I think Kim wins handily with speed and range. Manon can only cancel from standing MK and heavy kick is quite slow

They are but Manons are even tinier lol

[glacial notch]

I think it's easier if you just watch my replays lol

You'll see what I mean

[scarlet trellis]

I play both of them, I struggle with Manon neutral

Kim I have no real issue, she can scrap

[glacial notch]

The answer is in my replays, I promise lol

[river rock]

Someone DM me the Kimberly Discord. Its impossible to find elsewhere.

[dusk bobcat]

Over here still trying to get heavy vagabond in to od izuna , this link is so dam annoying lol been trying the holding 9 every way before hand but just doesn’t seem to come out fast enough

[river rock]

Wait is there video of H Vagabond going into OD Izuna I thought it just wasn’t possible.

[glacial notch]

You can't

You go into OD Izuna from bomb or DR crHP

[cerulean peak]

I understand the restriction is a juggle limitation. Not sure, but it just doesn't work.

[dusk bobcat]

Couldlda sworn I seen it done and was talked about up top , hm if can’t guess I don’t feel as bad coulda sworn I seen it

[glacial notch]

I think that person was trying to do OD as well but we were explaining how to do the regular one

[dusk bobcat]

Yeah reg one I can get hm , guess I’ll try an get good of dr down heavy in to it then lol

[glacial notch]

The only confirm I could come up with uses all your meter lol

Unless it's an AA... Don't bother

Focus on bomb set ups if you wanna land it

[dusk bobcat]

Yeah I feel that

[dusk bobcat]

In sf 5 there was an input to get air tatsu off the start of the Jump does anyone know what that was it was the trick I used a lot to do instant air tatsu? Trying to do Kim trial advanced trial 2

Sorry 3

Got it qcb uf kick

Lol in case any one would like to know

[young oriole]

@cursive frigate May I join the Kimberly discord?

I gotta lab the Cammy matchup. Been losing badly to her.

[river rock]

Send that invite my way as well.

[fast patrol]

same

been struggling with the timing for her bomb > throw > OD air grab

it seems it only lets me jump super late and by the time i jump my opponent is already near the floor

nvm i got it now

[rich night]

when you're in the corner and they're doing the whole strike throw game, since kim doesn't have a reversal outside her supers, what should you do?

also, can I join the kimberly discord?

[odd geode]

take it, she did have DP on beta but rn you just had to endure

[rich night]

what about throw loops?

[odd geode]

well, that's the sad part. you have to read

[rich night]

brutal

[odd geode]

but once you got your hand on the opponent, you can just take the corner

kim's auto got sideswitch

[rich night]

right, so... jam L punch, throw, or jump to guess your way out

[odd geode]

if they setup jump, you can try ex anti-air (cus it's vertical)

other than that... yup, you had to play the rock paper scissors game

[rich night]

i wish they didn't remove her reversal

[odd geode]

yea it's really punish kimberly alot

they should have compensate by giving her ground ex anti-air > lvl2

[rich night]

i am cursed to always like characters without wakeup reverals, i was happy when i liked her and found she had one 😦

[odd geode]

but it's still.... fine? i guess....?
cus if you play kim, mostly you're not the one at the corner

[rich night]

at dreamhack she was 2nd place, so she must have crazy mixup at pro levels

[odd geode]

I need to catch up dreamhack, I only watch when I'm eating.. still at top 48

[rich night]

ah, sorry for spoilers. thanks for the advice

[odd geode]

I calibrated gold today with kim with
8/10 wins

I dunno if it's good, it's my first SF game

[rich night]

i've been playing all my life and got iron, lol, this game makes my brain hurt

[odd geode]

tell me, this morning I just fought EHonda

I wanna puke

I should have learnt parry is the key when fighting EHonda

[willow widget]

For the life of me I can’t figure out how to combo crf.mk into cr.lp for the Intermediate combo trial #2. As far as I can tell, crf.mk is -3 and cr.lp has a 4 frame start up?

[vale topaz]

So her senpukyaku got nerfed, huh?

[cursive frigate]

Yeah I'll throw a DM

[scarlet trellis]

So her spinning kicks aren’t an anti air anymore?

[glacial notch]

Drive Reversal or hold it

[glacial notch]

Do it from farther out

The later it hits, the better the frames

[river rock]

Send me one as well king

[willow widget]

Ah man, thanks, that did it

[steel junco]

could i also please get the kimberly discord? xD

[robust maple]

There’s already a kim discord?

[smoky cedar]

you have to hit the crf.mk at the end of the move
try to space it so the move is nearly over when you hit it

oh you already get an answer mb

[untold portal]

@cursive frigate May i have an invite to the Kim discord as well plz?

[steel junco]

or just post here the discord? is it secret?

i wanna research tech

[reef basin]

May I also get an invite to this Discord as well?

[lunar trail]

same pls

[robust maple]

Same

[rich night]

I asked for an invite a couple of days ago, no word on it yet

[cursive frigate]

@untold portal dm me but change your settings I can't send a link to you

@steel junco @robust maple @rich night just DM if I haven't seen your message, we can't post discord links in here

[graceful geyser]

[cursive frigate]

All of them are an antj air only, Normal Tatsus have full air Invincibility when its active. OD is frame 1

[digital garnet]

Can i get an inv to kimberly discord?

[storm vortex]

would love an invite to Kim discord as well 🙂

[old salmon]

^^

i am trying to stay loyal to my kim but once people figure out when to press on me i’m like “cammy?” 🧐

[final sand]

I needs a Kim discord link as well I guess

[coral lagoon]

kim is fun

[cerulean peak]

[void viper]

How do I get Kim's outfit 2 without spending irl money?

[coral lagoon]

maxing bond on world tour im pretty sure

[mild plume]

lemme get a Kim discord inv

please

[void viper]

Same

[cursive frigate]

Guys just DM me if you want the invite

@void viper also there's a way to get it easier involving some lottery machine or something

[void viper]

How?

[torn skiff]

https://youtu.be/xhWWFu2ev-c

[cursive frigate]

there's some lottery sytem or something in World Tour i don't know specifically as i haven't done WT yet.

[crystal plume]

I need some help when I try to do ex jump grab it never work after ocmbos

what button do u guys use to go up and ex grab

[vapid aspen]

https://twitter.com/Kyros85/status/1666284569941745664?s=20

max damage?

[proven flame]

i got 5372 last night https://twitter.com/myfunkystudent/status/1665944984074477570?s=20

[vapid aspen]

nice

[coral lagoon]

silly ninja :)

[vapid aspen]

starting punish with an ex

[proven flame]

yeah i got that idea from the combo trials actually lol i think the punish they teach u uses that same starter

[cursive frigate]

Max is 6.2k

[wicked cypress]

Is there a Kimberly discord?

[halcyon torrent]

Yes

[hasty leaf]

How close is Kimberly to Karin in sF5 in terms of playtype?

[hollow breach]

She's the opposite

[glacial copper]

Is Kimberly’s uh
I think it’s her HK follow up out of sprint
Is it + on block?

[cerulean peak]

uh, uh?

You mean Overhead?

Both HK out of sprint as well as Back+HK are overhead.

[glacial copper]

Oh uh

One sec

Oh it was LK out of sprint

I see it now. I wasn’t able to take her in training til just now.
My cLP kept getting stuffed and I was so confused lmao

[worn crag]

Who are the best kimberly players rn

[glacial notch]

Probably Punk and Diaphone

[cursive trench]

Can I have an invite to the Kim discord?

[worn crag]

Thank you

I'm also interested in joining the kim discord

[glacial notch]

Y'all gotta DM @cursive frigate for the Kim discord

[sharp compass]

Y'all I was robbed in my last placement match with Kimberly due to a glitch with the server or something.

I'd send clip, but I can't still, cause I don't talk much. lol

[sterile sandal]

dear kim players
why do you mfs press back as soon as the round starts and then sit a full screen away all game

like can you people fight please

its street fighter not street back away and peacefully wait for the next train to arrive

[smoky cedar]

idk why would you play this far as kim, tell them to play JP

[sinful fossil]

not even close lmfao

[hasty leaf]

interesting lol

[sinful fossil]

its not just kim, its almost every player trying to gauge what you do

[lone crescent]

Its the safest and often smartest option to do regardless of who you play. Why gamble when you dont know how good your opponent is or how they like to play? Thats how you lose

[mellow sleet]

Skill issue 😭

[lone crescent]

Also kim has some pretty stubby neutral so why would she risk getting punished due to range on round start unless she reads you perfectly. It’s just a dumb take

“Why arent you mashing 😡”

[sinful fossil]

i love it when people dont get the reason why others walk away in certain distance, as if running isnt a part of playing the game. If we have speed at our advantage then why shouldn't we abuse it and pick engaments when we feel like it

[cursive frigate]

Punk doesn't play Kim and it's hard to determine best when there's been multiple Kim's in the top 8 of offline/online tournaments

Diaphone did beat Shine in the mirror for twitch rivals but Shine and DeathNote got top 3 at Dreamhack

LP rankings are also hard to judge by but Khangaroo is a really good Kim.

[glacial notch]

You play Marisa?

[sterile sandal]

and jamie

[glacial notch]

Marisa likes to do Superman Punch and other armored bullshit round start. Running up on her mindlessly is a quick way to die. Jamie can be rushed down easily, but when given space they like to steal drinks. Kim can punish that with run slide.

Generally, don't expect your opponent to play how you want them to.

That's like saying "come here and let me hit you"

[glacial notch]

If you want a Kim to fight.... I'll show you something

Lmk when you're online

[sterile sandal]

I'm not talking about kims picking their approaches carefully
I'm talking about how 90% of kims I've ran into on ranked will no joke sit a full screen away all game long

these mfs will actually time me out without ever approaching, and without even having a life lead

like go play guile or someone who at least has a projectile if you wanna do that

[glacial notch]

Lmao idk about all that. Def not a Kim thing.

[sterile sandal]

it's only random kims that do this (not counting chars who actually have projectiles)

[lone crescent]

That's still a valid strat regardless of who you play, if you cant catch them and break their defense. then that's something you need to work on

[glacial notch]

If you play Marisa, that's gonna happen a lot

[sterile sandal]

it does not

[glacial notch]

What ranks are you fighting?

[sterile sandal]

kim is the only char who consistently doesnt approach

everything from silver to plat

[glacial notch]

If they put themselves in a corner, just take advantage

She doesn't even have a reversal anymore

[lone crescent]

if you cant catch them and beat that strat, you need to change up your approach. you're being predictable

[sterile sandal]

I do

[glacial notch]

There's no real way for her to get herself out of that corner

[sterile sandal]

it's easy to beat, it just has me asking

why

[glacial notch]

You gotta ask those players lol

[lone crescent]

people have fun in different ways

[sterile sandal]

like my guy you could literally be playing guile

[lone crescent]

guile might not be fun for them but the playstyle is

theres nothing wrong with that

[glacial notch]

These are questions we cannot answer lol

[sterile sandal]

(I think a large part of it is they also like randomly throwing out the run/slide thing which is easy to react to from across the screen)

[glacial notch]

It's not an inherent Kim thing

[lone crescent]

I think you've confirmation bias at this point

[glacial notch]

It's probably a low level ranked player thing tho

[lone crescent]

because I've not seen a single cowardly kim

[sterile sandal]

I do not

[glacial notch]

There's no benefit lol

She can't win unless she rushes down

[lone crescent]

nothing other than their own enjoyment though. if its fun for them go for it

[sterile sandal]

it is funny tho how every other chat relates to what I'm saying but people here are trying to argue over it

[glacial notch]

You went into other chats to complain about random online Kim players?

I'm not sure what you're looking for here...

[lone crescent]

I'm not even a kim main but I understand the why behind the ones you do find doing this

I just think she's neat

[sterile sandal]

was just making a funny comment initially but its weird how defensive youre getting

[glacial notch]

All I can provide you at this point is a Kim who won't run lol, which is me

[glacial notch]

Who is getting defensive?

[lone crescent]

you asked a question that came off as hostile and salty and got an answer you didnt want

[glacial notch]

Lol literally all we did was try to apply some logic to what you said you're experiencing

[sterile sandal]

I'm gonna just let this go

[glacial notch]

You should

[sterile sandal]

thanks for the extra last word

[glacial notch]

Np

If you wanna play lmk

I think online is broken rn tho

[lone crescent]

they just posted a tweet saying it was fixed

[glacial notch]

Niiice lol

@sterile sandal games? I got some time to kill.

[hollow breach]

Server still got error issues

[mild plume]

Is there a kim server?

[hollow breach]

Yes

[mild plume]

Can I get an invite

[jade leaf]

DM'd

[mild plume]

Thanks

[delicate cave]

Got a huge win streak with Kimberly today, feels good

[pure fossil]

Need that Kim server invite please and thanks!

[daring ether]

Me too 🙏🏻

[uneven crescent]

https://twitter.com/hakuman6/status/1666804306941743104?s=46&t=5WCtnZzCumszgiaPZo7nFQ

Maybe useful just posting if useful for some

[edgy glacier]

Hey, how do you guys do ex nue twister after grab+spray can explosion? I cant jump at the right moment or smt

[uneven crescent]

Gotta TKR it which is on hit box like 2368Hk

[edgy glacier]

TKR?

OMG, i got it

I understand now

[uneven crescent]

I think its tkr its like a way of putting in a move like her air grab so it comes out instantly

[edgy glacier]

Yeeee, I've seem to get it now

[uneven crescent]

Awesome 🙂

[hollow lava]

Could I get a Kim discord invite too please?

[worn crag]

Could I get invite as well

[jade leaf]

coming right up

[glacial notch]

It's just TK lol

[hidden thorn]

May I please have an invite to the kimcord

[gilded lichen]

click characters channel on the left, it expands to list them all

oh my bad

hehe didn't know where i was.

[distant sun]

Yo is Kimberly a rushdown ?

She has some tools like the corner pressure with the paint can for mix. Just wondering if she is a better fit than cammy for my rushdown style

[silent island]

could you send me an inv

[jade leaf]

sent

[delicate cave]

She's kind of a rushdown/mix/trap hybrid. She's not a true rushdown like Lily, Honda, etc. since a lot of what she can do is unsafe so you have to be fast to keep your opponent guessing and Kimberly rewards mix-ups a whole lot.

[distant sun]

Ahh I see.

So it's more about going for the mix instead of Rushdown and keeping up pressure.

Is she fairly simple to play ?

SF characters overall seem quite complex compared to other fighting games

[distant sun]

Is Kimberly smoke teleport thing a good neutral skip ?

It seems a good get in tool. However that's hard to tell if it actually beats fireball ect

[delicate cave]

Sorry was asleep, but nah she's not hard to play

Not only does she have some of the easiest inputs in the game, her combos arent hard to master

But the trade-off is there's a lot to her to learn gameplan-wise

[delicate cave]

It skips over fireball easily, but its unsafe to do and if your opponent expects it they can DI you or some other punish

[distant sun]

Yeah learning setups and stuff is often the hard part.

I am enjoying cammy so was looking at other options that have some more mix options

[delicate cave]

Yeah Cammy and Kimberly have a similar gameplan, although Cammy is more aggressive and Kimberly is more tricky

[distant sun]

Yeah it sort of remind me of gio and chipp in strive.

One is just bigger hp and bigger damage rushdown but the other has teleport and cross up mix stuff

[delicate cave]

Yeah she's basically really similar to Chipp in Strive, except instead of low HP she has low damage(before the level 3 buff)

[cursive frigate]

Kim is more aggressive imo due to her mix and safer options to mix, Kim however does more damage for less. Cammy needs to get 6-7 hits.. where as Kim really needs 5-6, 4 to 5 when buffed

Most of Kim's routes are going to do 2500+ and push immediately to the corner

https://youtu.be/2aZ6OrNBRTQ

Also Kim's hitboxes and hurtboxes

[lethal tundra]

SO... I'm thinking of giving Kimberly a try since I always like mix-ups in Fighting Games

Who's a good player to watch to see if she catches my eye?

[distant sun]

Yeah I guess it's about doing stuff that leads into oki for more mix again and being able to loop that.

I have seen spice putting people in the corner doing some pressure and then teleport high when they press a button to get on overhead counter head

[glacial notch]

Shine

[delicate cave]

imo Diaphone

[distant sun]

BTW is Kimberly run thing similar to cammy hooligan ?

Like you get the mix of will I command grab or just end type mind games ?

[delicate cave]

Kimmy's sprint is faster(unless Cammy ODs) while Cammy's is trickier

[distant sun]

Yeah the more I look at it kimberly is kind of the chipp of this game.

Good mobility with teleport but she swaps the strong pressure for a good mix game

[lethal tundra]

But is Kim's run a gimmick or is it a true mix? I've heard you can stop Cammy's hooligan easily with just a jab

[distant sun]

Cammy holligan basically only works from Oki

And then it's an mind game of throw / overhead / end early and button / slide for low

[cursive frigate]

Kim's Run has multiple uses, frame trap, meaty mix, meaty + frames, pressure

[distant sun]

But I think both input wise are similar.

Do input to start the thing, then you do another input before it ends to do your grab or overhead ect

[delicate cave]

Yeah overall I been a Cammy main since SF4, Kimberly just overall reminds me of Cammy's old gameplan(even though she's technically more like Guy/Ibuki/Zeku) before they revamped her in 6, she has a lot of Chipp in her as well

[distant sun]

Yeah.

Last sf was SF4 and I played some weird zoner juri. Back when I played Zoners.

And now I go for that rushdown keep tempo with long block strings of pressure style

Think I'll play a few and see what fits. As in strive I liked gio over chipp for example just due to being more simple so I could focus on the mind games

[delicate cave]

Same, only zoners I mained was those with limited zoning, usually setplay characters

Kimberly is sooorta like that with her bombs, but not really

IMO her using her bombs as fake pressure is really underrated

[distant sun]

Does her tp use her cans ?

[lethal tundra]

Is she fun to play?

[delicate cave]

Nah

[delicate cave]

Very fun

[distant sun]

I just see high level play and it seems weird.

Like no teleport no aggro mode. Just lots of neural and I did my thing now your turn.

Like people just stop pressure and stand there and no one seems to use DP. not sure if wakeup DP is just bad due to how much of a punish you get from bait DP ?

Also seen a dirty thing. Doing 2 can setups on someone in the corner into level 3 onto 2 more

[delicate cave]

Her DP got nerfed, its no longer an invincible reversal like it was in the beta, so people only use it as an anti-air now. Also being too overly aggressive with Kimmy's tools makes you obvious. A lot of people know what she can do by now so you have to be smart on how to get in. Her Sprint and TP can make her get in on character really easily, but the trade off is both can be hard punished by DI or something else if the opponent expects it.

Anyways I g2g to a tourney, ill cyall later

[distant sun]

Nah I don't mean her DP. I mean in general hardly anyone does a DP. I'm used to wakeup DP being the default option people go for

[delicate cave]

Oh mb, yeah DP will always be 50/50 so you can choose to bait it or just go in for the pressure if you feel comfortable enough to do it

Both Ryu and Ken can combo their DP into a level 3 DP and no one wants any of that to happen to them 💀

[cursive frigate]

Also I highly recommend watching multiple, Top, High and Mid level Kimberly players. You'll learn a lot more from multiple players at different skill levels than just a top level.

[distant sun]

That might be a thing to check.

Also yeah it seems the whole wake up DP is not as common in this game as people have like knockdown into +8 type stuff

And if you wiff DP it be hurting

[lethal tundra]

I find people mashing on wake up more than dp

So meaties are the way

[serene gyro]

https://youtu.be/g5yWIPuMpMg

LOOK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

[mystic sonnet]

How do I Anti Air consistently?
2HP seems really strong, but what do I do against Crossup Jump-Ins? I tried her Tatsu as well, but that didn't feel too good

[cursive frigate]

Yeah they did that to nearly everyone in Beta

[cursive frigate]

Delay OD Tatsu

Or jump back button

Crosscut Tatsu is just a little finicky

[trail barn]

anybody got any tips for hitting the air throw ater a shuriken bomb? i play on hitbox and im having trouble consistently getting the exuction

[hollow breach]

Just do down forward up punch button

The game gives you alot of time to buffer before the lunch button

[feral rock]

For intermediate combo trail 7 am I supposed to hold up forward during the throw animation to get the earliest jump possible?

Or am I just supposed to time the jump on my own after the throw animation?

[lean zodiac]

hey, i'm noticing that od air throw is missing after 236hp while the regular version is performing fine. is this supposed to happen? i've seen combo routes using od air throw so i feel like something is up

[distant sun]

Just to check.
You want to basically use lv3 as soon as you get it right ?

The buff seems big and getting 2 more cans back is good

[serene gyro]

Throw a spray can down then immediately grab

Then, do down, down forward, forward, forward up in one motion

You'll grab but still have the quarter circle forward "stored"

So you can instantly air grab

[lethal tundra]

TAIGAH KNEE