#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
nope
no more cineematics
but apparentoly new ptr has some hidden dbcs or something according to stiven
so we might get an alpha very soon
proud cloud
Read on twitter that there is a 3 minutes cinematic in datamine
dense plover
well good news is that stiven said the new ptr build has some 9.0 hidden archives
soooo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proud cloud
What does hidden archives mean tho, connected to n’zoth?
proud cloud
I mean 20 second cinematic doesnt make sense
dense plover
so we will know more tomorrow
proud cloud
Is the ptr tomorrow?
dense plover
ptr hasnt been offline
they pushed a 400mb build about an hour ago
its still 8.3
its a higher build than retail
stiven says it has 9.0 hidden archives
he mightve been joking
but its definitely something
bare minimum exe changes to fix serious issues
but i doubt it considering it went to ptr an hour ago and hasnt hit retail
proud cloud
Yeah true I’d agree with that
It has to be something
I just cant think that the ending of BFA would be THAT. Just makes no sense at all.
Why did they remove the finale cinematic from their official YouTube channel? Because of the dislikes or?
dense plover
or if there IS a new build
its possible they meant to have a cinematic
hid it
and then totally forgot to add it
but thats less than 1% likely
porter's version is much more likely
zealous basalt
how many dislikes did that thing have
bitter horizon
so like i logged into the ptr and it gave me the call of the scarab quest?
is that, uh, normal
zealous basalt
yep
bitter horizon
oh
uncut vault
1k to 4k like to dislike
proud cloud
Yeah indeed but we Will see What it Will leak
zealous basalt
I don't think it will change the ending
proud cloud
Could mean nothing but just a single quote is cool enough
Could be something new and different this time, or, maybe not :/
storm marsh
is faction war epilogue quest available yet? Or I'm supposed to do something?
zealous basalt
no idea
uncut vault
probably just gonna be a thing activated one week
smoky mural
@dense plover the blade exploded in the wration one
smoky mural
<@&299347348847329281>
shrewd glen
ty
sullen dawn
Yeh the blades destroyed
round lake
how do you know the blade is destroyed?
smoky mural
WE SEE GO KABOOM 
round lake
dense plover
Actually, we don’t
We see the blade then we see an explosion
It is purposefully left unknown so blizz can use it in the future
Remember, if you don’t explicitly see something, it hasn’t necessarily happened
Notice how no mention of the dagger being destroyed exists?
It’s purposeful. It’s so they can use it in a few expacs
Probably with the infinite dragons
Since that STILL hasn’t happened
And nozdormu has to die by falling to Nzoths corruption.
smoky mural
They forgot
dense plover
No, I don’t think they did
They purposefully do not show the dagger exploding in to pieces
It’s an Illidan situation
They’ll use it if they ever want to do a full old god void expac in the future when sub counts are dropping
Maybe start it off as dragon isles
green merlin
upper lantern
lol there's nothing about the sword or about Azeroth herself
strange falcon
inb4 plottwist end of SL that nzoth isnt ded
dense plover
Like - if your heart is pierced you don’t remove the thing in the end
I don’t think he is dead tbh
We didn’t see the dagger explode
Nzoth never had a “noooooo” moment
He was silent in death
Which makes me think he isn’t dead at all
This is his long game
Not ours
strange falcon
"yeye,fools think i'm dead so i can do my shit in peace"
xD
i mean every single speculation channel is saying nzoth isnt dead
🤔 hmm
dense plover
It wouldn’t make sense
Why let us in to nyalotha
Why allow wrathion to have the dagger
Why make yourself vulnerable?
He didn’t have to have a raid entrance
But he did
It was ALL on purpose
dense plover
Well, we won’t be on azeroth
Which gives them the opportunity to do a time skip - tho they probably won’t
tropic trail
I hope Jaina and Anduin stay at Azeroth when we go to the shadowlands
Jaina because I dont wanna see her and give all the screen time to Tyrande, and Anduin because it could mean that he would be very old when we come back
strange falcon
well,one probably unlikely scenario is,we spend 2 expacs in the shadowlands,and they pull an engine revamp/wow revamp for 11.0
that would give them enough time
zealous basalt
Holy shit that like to dislike ratio
twilit coral
for the dislikes and hate? cmon, do it better blizz
burnt trout
tropic trail
deleting it now would be such a stupid marketing move
it would make them look much much worse then just hiding it like they do it now
zealous basalt
I wonder if they were aware that this would happen due the ending
tropic trail
Im honestly thinking they were not
round lake
hide it? it was out yesterday on YT how did they "hide" it
zealous basalt
There is a button called "Hide it"
but I think it's because EU hasn't seen it yet "officially"
sullen dawn
We have
storm marsh
I just remembered there is no info about that datamined hearthstone tavern
azure estuary
My problem with the cinematic finale is there wasn’t enough meat on its bones. Could have shown N’Zoth’s forces across Azeroth dying off, more of N’Yalotha, some sort of epilogue from Magni, and the Horde and Alliance celebrating. Even celebrating together.
It felt like they were sprinting to the finish line with that “cinematic”
twilit coral
the EU account dont have this video
amber storm
To be fair we didn't get an Alliance/Horde perspective on the Legion war until close to BfA
azure estuary
Part of me wishes they would have worked removing Sargeras’ sword into it also. Like using the HoA to transport it right into N’Zoth’s head. That would have been way cooler than a yellow Kamehameha.
zealous basalt
What the fuck was taht
pulsar iris
lol wut
limber mural
oh that... would've been cooler wtf
pulsar iris
i agree they could use the hoa to remove the sword and heal the wound, but not stab nzoth lol
azure estuary
It just comes right out of the sky of Ny’alotha right into Giant N’Zoth’s head.
Or if he tore a hole in the veil between Azeroth and Ny’alotha and the in game cutscene is mostly the same but instead of being a conduit for a beam. The players instead use the HoA to awaken Azeroth herself briefly, she pulls the sword out, and stabs giant N’Zoth with it.
It would also be symbolic in that Sargeras’ final act to destroy Azeroth ended up being instrumental in saving it.
azure estuary
What’s your reasoning for that?
zealous basalt
Oh just logic
Let's stab a...let me thinki
Half meter knife into your belly
Now try removing it without dying of bleeding
And that is being generous
That damn sword I think it's 3/4 the size of Azeroth
And we just see the hilt
azure estuary
And leaving a knife in you will kill you eventually too.
But this isn’t a person we are talking about this is a fantasy world. With magic
Either way. I’d be willing to bet you a paycheck that cinematic would be getting received a hell of a lot better than what we got yesterday. 😂🤣
azure estuary
I know it won’t. I’m just having a conversation. And throwing ideas out there. Sorry I don’t roll over and pretend it’s good, when it’s not.
tropic trail
the thing is about worlds is that they dont work like an flesh organism
if 2 worlds crash into each other, they heal after a time and everything will become a part of the new world
at least in our rl universe
world = planet*
stabbing something into a planet makes it just being a part of it
but sure, it could work totaly different in a fantasy world, where planets have souls and all
azure estuary
I get what you’re saying, Tilted. But Azeroth does bleed. But this is still a fantasy world, with magic. The laws of our reality don’t apply there.
tropic trail
sure, thats right
zealous basalt
I mean from all we know it can be that she is just fine with the sword
azure estuary
Maybe she is. And maybe she would be fine if it were removed too. That’s the conversation I’m trying to have.
ionic terrace
about what
zealous basalt
Helping with bugs and such?
ionic terrace
oh yeah, that's a thing they do now
zealous basalt
Well fellas
proud cloud
Ayo boys nd gyals who’s hyped for Shadowlands tho, Me personally, am still hyped but just a little worried Cuz of the lazy work they put into Visions of Nzoth
Either that or just turned all their focus on SL to maximize its potential like they did on WoD to Legion
inner copper
Shadowlands will probably be just "Legion after WoD 2.0"
or at least thats what i hope
storm marsh
it has to be
sullen dawn
I just know..8.3 would be amazing if it had a NY'alotha zone
Even if it was just the raid map reused
I mean....
Glorious
night swift
Its almost like they wanted to do that, then changed their minds
dense plover
They definitely did want to do that
My guess is that one of two things happened: they realized that the zone would get old and the shock value wouldn’t stick over time, or two: they felt that it wouldn’t work well for the amount of time the patch was expected to last and that the content sticking around would feel weird once Nzoth was gone
plain vigil
still possible for a future expac
night swift
It kinda blows up though
whole cedar
My guess is they would have had to make the zone like they did Argus, hard to travel and without flight
And they didn't want (even more) player complaints about that
dense plover
^ definitely this too
whole cedar
Which is truly a shame. I actually really liked Argus and having it be a harsh zone made sense, but people had to be crappy about flying
Imagine a Nyalotha zone with triple the amount of worms
zealous basalt
No please
I mean, having a zone like that would have been good
but you are right
people can be so anal when something that harsh comes out
sullen dawn
Personally having it be difficult, unforgiving and have no flying would be fine by me
tranquil steeple
so long as it's rewarding to deal with the harder bullshit, sign me up
sullen dawn
Aye
If dark souls is anything to go by, people like a challenge - when it's worth their while
tranquil steeple
if it's just "generic worldquest grade item #4217" or something similar, miss me with that shit
sullen dawn
The cloak could have tied into the zone too - sanity levels etc..
dense plover
Oh it did
It was fucking busted
And people hated it
It used to be part of the raid moreso than it is
And that already felt awful for prog guilds
Feels
That’s why they added the cap
There used to be way more corruption too
Like the corrupted mobs used to give 5 corruption
But it was too much
And the food used to help in the raids and such
Like - they toned down the cloak specifically because the mechanics as is were already engaging enough and too many layers removed the fun
storm marsh
the trinket wings were annoying during 2nd boss
boss faces you while you have the wings on and after he pushes you, you fly away from your raid group because of the wings' slow fall
zealous basalt
oyis
storm marsh
oh my god. I've been feeding alpaca for 6 days and now apparently, I should have done it in a group, not raid
night swift
Lol they just fixed that issue too
storm marsh
Yeah I just saw. But I see bunch of people saying they will need to start handing in quest again from today.
And wait for anothet 7 days
bitter horizon
did we ever find what that ptr update was for yesterday?
dense plover
btw they sent out the bug report info things again
i accounted for 1.02% of the unique bugs identified
same number undiscovered as in 8.2
im fairly consistent with my 1% of total unique bugs found
which if you think about it is a very large number, since there are likely 10s of thousands of people playing ptr
west relic
dense plover
i did not
mine were through discovery
18 bugs or 18 unknown thulm?
still hoping that accounting for 1% of identified bugs consistently will have me end up in the shadowlands beta/alpha
i got in to the bfa beta pretty early last time
zealous basalt
no u
uncut vault
mine always say none, despite knowing a lot of mine get seen and addressed. Guess they dont really count little visual, lore, or world asset reports as full on bugs
limber mural
@zealous basalt https://imgur.com/a/ft0cHOP
dense plover
They definitely don’t
They don’t consider balance changes either
They specifically are only counting actual bugs for this
upper remnant
I mean a visual bug is still a bug
I mostly report thinks like Porter some small visual effects displaying in the wrong way, dialogues not synchronizing, lore mistakes, wrong models etc
dense plover
Visual bugs count
But it might not be unique
Someone else could’ve reported it first
zealous basalt
Ha
uncut vault
When it’s every single time, and I know Blizz was unaware of some for certain, it can’t just be that they aren’t unique
zealous basalt
I smell bribes
dense plover
Sometimes they just don’t fix stuff
Like I said the daily quest rewards weren’t enough
I predicted the buff we just had more than a month ago
pulsar iris
random thought. what if instead of getting more powerful gear, we would get "power milestones"? i mean, you do this objective (raids, etc), you get a increase in power
gear is kind of an outdated concept
pulsar iris
don't know how you see it that way but k
crimson jasper
Problem with that would also be that people that aren't able to clear said content to get the achievement for the power boost, would have no way of increasing their power to eventually beat it
plain vigil
There's incentive in tangeble items. The artifact weapons for example got more unappealing as time passes because there wasn't a real feeling of receiving something for your accomplishments. Stat boosts were like socketed gems so you never felt like you were getting something new.
limber mural
*tangible sorry
plain vigil
tranquil grove
plain vigil
@tranquil grove i try
zealous basalt
i has update
ivory meadow
is it small?
zealous basalt
still recovering manifest
ivory meadow
it's probably nothing.
azure estuary
Did they update lighting effects or something?
dense plover
Nothing has changed recently
azure estuary
Night time environment feels darker, but lights are brighter by contrast.
uncut vault
just got an update
lime venture
ptr?
uncut vault
mhm
ionic terrace
just a hotfix patch
dense plover
auctionhouse fixes
forest sphinx
Soooo PTR soon now that race is done?
broken timber
are you talking more about shadowlands alpha/beta? if so i think that was coming regardless of the race its more coming soon just because they probably want as long as possible testing phase
zealous basalt
Just now?
broken timber
something got leaked? or just the basic assumptions
proud cloud
Tbh felt like the ending of 8.3 was just simply rushed so they could put more time into shadowlands beta so they atleast could give us a good preview of what is to come, its sad that its that way since the ending of bfa could greate hype for shadowlands but hey as long as SL is good
create hype*
zealous basalt
Imagine if WoD had ended in 6.1
strange falcon
lol
tranquil steeple
i thought it did 
tropic trail
I mean, at this point it doesn’t even matter to me lmfao. I want shadowlands so they can give me a shit patch or what ever they want as long as they are working on the expansion I really want to play
bitter horizon
small ptr update
languid yoke
omg shadowlands inc!!!!11!1!
broken timber
Lol if its small dont pay it any mind
dense plover
its UI fixes
tropic trail
anyone knows why casc viewer keeps getting sound files in korean language? o_o
stiff vector
@tropic trail what build/file?
novel zodiac
i just killed N'zoth, and i read somewhere that there's dialogues somewhere if you still have his gift, but i can't find them in Zul'dazar, where are they?
steady plume
@novel zodiac You get the gift a N'zoth through a quest line and if you have it removed you can not get it again but you will get a toy
ivory meadow
in other news, Classic ptr realms got detected
dim cave
night swift
i still dont get why they're doing a classic ptr of all thigns
forest sphinx
The realms for the PTR are up but you can't connect
forest sphinx
Well when the PTR went up, you couldn't even get to a realm screen
Today has been the first day that you can. And you still can't get onto the realm. Realm status says incompatible
strange falcon
<@&299347348847329281> spamming all channels ^
frigid crater
thanks
regal coral
Ptr for what? Warcraft 9 shadowlands?
strange falcon
ptr for possibly what will be ahn qiraj event
to test servers
so you dont have crashes worldwide every 3 minutes like how it really went in 2004
craggy nexus
Then it won't be the experience. They should shrink the number of people the servers can handle and increase the number of people that the servers can hold. #nochanges
craggy nexus
I don't actually have any skin in this game. I am only going to watch it from streamers. I was just being silly with the #nochanges.
limber mural
the record of 'bugs that aren't bugs' has shown how many of the #nochanges crowd really didn't know what they meant
The whole mess of 'wow classic was so hard, retailkids couldn't do it' has been comedy gold
strange falcon
thats because the #nochanges crowd played private servers for a lot of time
which have broken quests
and intentionally higher hp percentages and dmg
craggy nexus
I think the PTR is there to test the stuff they should have been testing from the start. I am not even sure why they dropped the PTR entirely for a while.
strange falcon
as a matter of fact,molten core on private servers was considerably harder than classic
errant thunder
this may be a dumb question, but how does one join ptr?
ive looked all over the wow and battle.net sites but i cant find a place to sign up
i think it means "player test realms", but im unsure, they test future updates
zealous basalt
public test realm
night swift
ptr will not get you SL alpha earlier just a heads up
you'll probably only see it like a week before launch
upper remnant
I think you just download it from the website
errant thunder
when i try to make a ptr acc it says it cant be created
night swift
you should just be able to enable ptr in account settings on the blizzard website
errant thunder
i dont see a place where i can enable ptr, and ive read that forum post quite a few times, i cant create a ptr acc, and i dont have the option for ptr in battle.net app
would acc age or sub status matter? i dont have active sub rn and i only started wow maybe 3 days before bfa was released
night swift
its on the blizzard website not the launcher
errant thunder
by in the launcher i meant changing to the ptr version/realm
when i try to make an acc it just says it cant be created
night swift
try learn more?\
errant thunder
its basically the same as that forum post stoneheart posted except for the troubleshooting https://gyazo.com/f531f4db39c3aaf97479367be77fa9fd
the "must have full wow acc" makes me think you need an active sub but the sub is usually only for playing
grand cedar
It appears they should say 'active subscription' not just 'full account' in the requirements for PTR access. The response here shows it is only for subscribers.
dense plover
Makes sense
People used to abuse it for free wow that could be deleted
And that’s not the point
sly smelt
yeah
uncut vault
PTR classic update got me excited for a moment lol
frigid crater
There's an 8.3.5 PTR after all and we're kicking off datamining discoveries with some exciting finds! We're finally getting rewards for holding onto the Gift of N'Zoth, including character customization options, and we've also discovered summer promotion Surfboard mounts and and cosmetic rewards for completing the Battle for Azeroth War Campaign. Edit: we've also found a model update to Shalamayne!
Learn more at https://www.wowhead.com/news=311797/8-3-5-ptr-build-33841-gift-of-nzoth-rewards-character-customization-pepe-war-cam
zealous basalt
Im sad by the surfboard
night swift
zealous basalt
Like
ancient forge
Trust me u can’t be more sad then me 🙂
mortal schooner
did something change? I saw Asmongold was in Shadowlands Alpha Waiting Room
night swift
I mean theres no reason for the link to be here so...
dense plover
^
You should delete the link @mortal schooner
And there is no reason
Other than he is waiting like everyone else
night swift
If the alpha is even out, its very likely under ndas and people can’t even mention its out
dense plover
It’s not
night swift
Yeah
dense plover
We would know. Data mining
night swift
True
strange falcon
tropic trail
id say at least late September or early October
livid walrus
limber mural
haha no
peak fern
that is kinda terrifying :)))
tropic trail
Wow, the Arbiter's really got the moves
serene sentinel
nightmare fuel
tropic trail
Wheres the Chief?
stray estuary
Can’t wait for that raid fight.
scenic field
Definitely not September I guess week or so
night swift
wrong chat
misty blaze
im just hoping they aint gonna have sylvanas killed off shes my favorite of the now neutral lore characters
night swift
This guy only comes in and defends sylvanas soo...
night swift
Yeah her whole character was just “I do bad shit because people already hate me just for existing”
short jewel
She could have been gray/neutral but 🤐
dense plover
no she couldnt
she never has been
going back to the start of world of warcraft
do you even know her backstory?
zealous basalt
sylvanas is as good as it deathwing cleaning azeroth
dense plover
she was murdered and forced into undeath by arthas and then shunned by her own people and humanity.
After dying in her undeath, she saw the awful death that awaited her, and then her goal became clear - find a way to not die
which has led us on her long path to where she is now
probably in too deep tbh
short jewel
yea i know, but now she is full evil imo
dense plover
SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN FULL EVIL
she literally led the forsaken so she could have a meat shield
at times she showed some sympathy
but its always been about her goal
the difference is she isnt in the shadows
she showed her true colors in front of everyone
tranquil steeple
she only cared enough to not seem like she didn't think anybody in the horde mattered
short jewel
sorry I understood at first that you were talking when she was alive aswell as being evil too
night swift
Her character went down the shitter after wrath
night swift
Well more like legion
dense plover
eh - i dont think it was her character, i think it was how they rushed her story
what happened from BfA -> SLs shouldve taken twice as long
or they couldve had her doing some secret stuff during MoP and Warlords to not have her story return out of nowhere post-cata
forest sphinx
I think it’ll all come to light on the PTR
arctic nova
is anyone in the ptr and if so what server, would like to get to know some of the new stuff coming out
arctic nova
ok thanks
night swift
maybe the major cities and probably some key points of the world
areas of northrend, lights hope chapel, etc.
tulip sun
The latest interview said mostly northrend
deep pawn
I had been hoping more legion invasion for alts, but sounds like we're getting darkshore world quests more
Probably fast gearing for anyone who levels during that month since the new levelling experience comes before everything else
plain vigil
Tbf leveling (should) be on the new system for prepatch so it may be possible to level 10-50 with the scourge invasion
misty blaze
if they have us kill sylvanas iw ont do the content.
stray estuary
Lmao
zealous basalt
...a go ku 2 then
night swift
Yep
tranquil steeple
nah that is the same go ku
night swift
Oh they changed names
tropic trail
Sylvanas is Med'an level of maru sue at this point
She needs to die
and you need to google mary sue definition
tropic trail
no, a mary sue is more then just lucking weakness. Being powerful doesnt make you a mary sue
A mary sue has no wrongs, no weaknesses. She/Him doesnt know failure
and Sylvanas failed a lot during the wow story over the years. Her plans, she even got killed off (cata)
wintry forge
Mary Sues cannot be bad guys though...
They're literally perfect characters who always do the right thing, and anyone in opposition to them must always be evil.
stray estuary
^
peak fern
even though Sylvanas' plans might've failed a lot she still gets the upper hand, lol
tropic trail
right, but thats not what makes her a mary/villain sue
because mary/villain sues doesnt fail, they win on the first try
wintry forge
Point is - Sylvanas is the opposite of a Mary Sue if anything
Because pretty much everyone agrees that she's self serving and in the wrong.
tropic trail
Exactly
Fair enough but I hope we can all agree she deserves to die
I just wanna teabag her before I get some epic loot
stray estuary
As long as we get to kill her, and not Thrall stealing the kill yet again.
tropic trail
Defeating the lich king like its nothing while Thrall could do so idy biddy magic and get one hit on her
wintry forge
I really wanted the story team to take her in a different direction.
stray estuary
We didn’t defeat the LichKing like it was nothing, all raid members died. Just like with Argus.
tropic trail
if she deserves to die or not, is a subjective question. Many ppl want her dead, many not. At the end blizz will decide
YEah she could have been a really good character if they didnt take her in this direction
But one thing is for sure, if shes gonna die, its not going to happen through our hands. It will be done in a cinematic by an other NPC, like Tyrande or Alleria
wintry forge
The whole Horde leader goes evil shtick has already been done, and Sylvanas is an OG character I didn't wanna see done like that.
But once Teldrassil burnt, her death was basically inevitable.
tropic trail
ANd mist I am talking about how sylvanas did it
stray estuary
Why’s it always the Horde that gets the shitty evil characters.
tropic trail
I mean I think Tyrande is gonna turn all evil and stuff. Getting too caught up in vengance
wintry forge
Same, I called this a few weeks back. Tyrande is gonna bite it next.
stray estuary
Imagine if Shadowlands was one big Horrific Vision...
And in that time N’Zoth had taken over Azeroth.
tropic trail
It would be nice but I cant see how they would be able to continue the lore after that
Yeah I liked the first half of BFA but when nazjatar came around I began to hate it
You know. When it was actually a faction war and not another fight with an evil villian
stray estuary
I think I quested one Nazjatar for a day.
By day I mean, an hour and a half.
Then I went straight onto the Ny’alotha quest lines.
tropic trail
Tbh Nazjatar was the most boring of all patches in BFA
worn crown
I hated BfA faction war so much. MoP plotline again but worse. So many chars out of character just to serve this non sense faction thing that, in fact, ended in WarCraft III with different races banding together to fight the Burning Legion.
Also, no point in factions clashing if, due to gameplay, it will always end in some sort of stalemate - who will want to play in a faction that canonically lost a war?
night swift
No one lost the war though
worn crown
I DO hope Sylvanas remain "alive" in some shape or form. When she apparently became a warmongering, I was so disappointed for her meddling in petty mortals ward.
But when she gave the finger to everyone and showed to be a fascinating villain with twisted delusions of grandeur I started to like her again. Her lines "This world is a prison and I will set us all free" is sooo rich of possibilities.
fickle zephyr
sylvanas will be the new illidan... the person who looked evil but turned out to be the good guy :Residentsleeper: (instead of the 9.1-2-3 endboss because of blizzard incel fanbois)
night swift
Except she’s never really been “good”
She can’t do “good” things because she’s an undead and everyone hates undead
wintry forge
.....how is making undead do good things "SJW"?
night swift
...
night swift
I guess the change to the undead’s lore in SL is SJW then
pastel dune
because sylvanas a woman
thats what makes it sjw
cant have a woman lead for multiple xpacs without it being a political statement
pastel dune
now youre getting into the thought process of people who complain about tracer being gay
wintry forge
I think @pastel dune was being sarcastic.
pastel dune
i was explaining, i dont hold that beliefs
wintry forge
Or at least, I hope he was.
vivid harness
ah
pastel dune
i literally dont care about what genders the cast is, might as well be women
just start writing them better pls
vivid harness
^
wintry forge
If the choice of race/gender of a character feels forced into the plot, then yes, I can see how it's SJW
Eg. the Ghostbusters remake
But Sylvanas is an OG character
vivid harness
og og character
wintry forge
It's no more or less SJW than a Thrall-focused expansion
pastel dune
She used to be, but she got flanderized into OPOP Mary Sue
vivid harness
if people actually read why shes op
wintry forge
In fact, if anything she's pretty much the exact opposite.
pastel dune
thats post haste explanation tho
shes been running in circles around everyone for 2 expacs
wintry forge
A Mary Sue isn't defined by how OP they are, he/she is defined by how they're always right, always good, and everyone loves them.
Popular Mary Sues in fiction include Harry Potter, Bella Swan and Jesus.
wintry forge
She's the exact opposite because she's not in the right, everyone agrees she fucked up, and nobody likes her.
She's just a powerful villain.
pastel dune
She doesn't have to be good
She's basically overly competent insert
Nathanos too, tbh
vivid harness
i like nathanos more than i like sylvanas
wintry forge
She doesn't have to be good
@pastel dune except yes she does. Being good to the point of annoying is a hallmark trait of a Mary Sue. Anduin is definitely one. Thrall might be too.
I'd say Jaina until recently.
night swift
Yeah a mary sue is someone who is perfect with no flaws
wintry forge
Exactly. How is Sylvanas "perfect"?
pastel dune
which super generic "you've activated my trap card" villain pretty much checks out
wintry forge
She doesn't give a crap about her own people, routinely breaks conventions of warfare, and is hellbent on building an undead army.
She's about as far from "perfect" as one can get.
night swift
Yet people think she is perfect for that reason
pastel dune
yeah, she's literally Sasuke tier Antagonist Mary Sue
wintry forge
"No flaws" as in "no character flaws" not "invincible in combat"
peak fern
yeah lol xD
night swift
Yeah and a valkyr rezzed her
peak fern
"trusting a traitor? now what could go wrong"
tardy lily
I think people focus on how she's normally on the winning side of a fight
night swift
Idk ask the loyalists
zealous basalt
She commited sodoku
pastel dune
Edgy, Strong, literally oneshots everyone - Saurfang, everyone in Lordreaon in BfA intro, Bolvar in Trailer
literally noone touches her
zealous basalt
Yet you have forget that before that she pretty got her ass handed to
wintry forge
Idk how you're not getting this...
zealous basalt
Like in BfA she got stronger but
tardy lily
ehhh
vivid harness
its not like saurfang also wasnt old as hell
zealous basalt
Literally overwhelmed by her newfound power
pastel dune
that's just cope dude
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pastel dune
that's the point
night swift
Cause she threw a temper tantrum
vivid harness
literally noone touches her
is what i was referring to
pastel dune
she's written that way to win even if it doesn't make sense
vivid harness
its not like he didnt hit her
night swift
She has a scar
peak fern
I meaaaan, isn't it allowed at makgora to use every thing you can use?
night swift
No
night swift
Not at all
pastel dune
only weapons
peak fern
I ain't orc culture specialist
pastel dune
if I remember right
night swift
Thrall cheated his too with garrosh
tardy lily
yee
night swift
Cause shaman magic
vivid harness
garrosh did nothing wrong
night swift
Youre allowed one tool for combat and nothing else
vivid harness
peak fern
"The rules of a Mak'gora seem to be different between each Mak'gora since they are chosen and set by the participants themselves. Generally, there are thus no specific rules. There are only two consistent themes in all Mak'gora: once dropped, a weapon cannot be retrieved by either opponent and that the pair must fight to the death or until submission. Magic, for example, has never been stated to be forbidden, and has, in fact, been used in multiple Mak'gora duels and thus seems to be permitted. Similarly, many Mak'gora duels have involved both fighters wearing body armor as well, but it can also be forbidden when explicitly required."
night swift
I mean he did get the leadership dropped on him
peak fern
🤷
pastel dune
Oh btw, Nathanos is literally self-insert of one of the blizz writers
vivid harness
wasnt it only that his model was a self insert?
pastel dune
refer to general offtopic
He established Nathanos and his relationship with Sylvanas in a short and is weirdly RPing on twitter as Nathanos with Sylvanas
sudden oak
if im not mistaken we knew about their relationship from before also the guy just made a couple joke tweets about it
nathanos has been pretty much the same character since vanilla
pastel dune
I don't think he had much lore before legion
dense plover
he got some lore in cata I think
peak fern
he's always been Sylvanas' number one fanboy
zealous basalt
They were a free thing when they was alive, sylv did many things for him to be on the elven rangers thing
peak fern
but those tweets from the dev guy are rather creepy and cringeworthy xD
night swift
Creepy? No. Cringy? Debateable
peak fern
well, to me they are ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pastel dune
Cringy, yeah. Creepy, that's reserved for worse things
I really hope we won't see Sylvanas and Nathanos as much, they feel really shoehorned and untouchable
tranquil steeple
good
pastel dune
As long as he doesn't get ressed after
night swift
At least according to some dungeon journal guides for the raid
Or a vision like wrathion
pastel dune
but, going by how good the writing is Nathanos and Sylvanas get Resurrected by Jailor Shadowed Xe'ra or some other dumb Deus Ex
night swift
Depends on if sylvanas cares for him if he dies or not
Cause he is in love with her, we’ll have to see if she reciprocates or not
pastel dune
Or they kill off one of them and the second one goes on genocidal rampage
tardy lily
that feels like it might happen actually
pastel dune
(so behaves literally the same as always, but with big deal cinematics)
dense plover
uh the nathanos thing is tied to torghast
not a raid
so he might be part of a torghast quest
doesnt mean we kill him
misty blaze
i wont do the contentthough if sylvanas is killed off
night swift
Well guess you aren’t playing shadowlands
Cause everything we’re doing is to go against sylvanas
tropic trail
I dont can state how important I think it is for her to finally die
Her concept has just gotten so... yknow
fickle zephyr
boring?
night swift
Bland, bad, stupid, confusing
tropic trail
All of the above
It has been confirmed Narthanos will be a raid boss and die so there is hope
night swift
uh the nathanos thing is tied to torghast
What Peach said
dense plover
^
he has raid boss data but the location is torghast
so its probably the same kind of thing as the mawraid armor
before they knew what they were calling torghast, they were calling it maw raid
dense plover
eh
tranquil steeple
but no guarantees
dense plover
he has like - dungeon journal style tags
but also his location is tagged as torghast
tranquil steeple
it's just as possible for him to not become a boss as it is for him becoming an actual boss (fight)
dense plover
yes
night swift
Sylvanas could very well make him the keeper of the tower
Or some sorta entity that controls stuff with it
misty blaze
i dont want sulvanas to die theres no more sexy ladies left on horde side
fickle zephyr
:simp:
tropic trail
No more what? Its a game dude 😂
tropic trail
I stopped at "My waifu Sylvanas".
limber mural
yeah good move
if you get further on they reveal themselves as a shisui-wearing catgirl in FF14 as well, which says more about a person than you really ever need
tropic trail
Playing FF14 at all says already a lot 👀 , dont @ me 
strange falcon
you might not have looked at the #no-wow-discussion channel then
zealous basalt
Fockin go ku
vivid harness
@tropic trail 
urban vault
@tropic trail 
Also, mad respect to @misty blaze, who has sexy tyrande art as a pfp, references Jaina in username, and simps about Sylvanas
master level troll right there
night swift
lmao right?
night swift
its not, they only ever post those same sentences
stray estuary
Sylvanas is also in that PfP
tropic trail
disgust
violet karma
lilian voss actually sexy lady
wintry forge
disdain
night swift
she's a walking corpse but ok
wintry forge
Like I don't mind Sylvanas fanboys as much because blizz went out of their way to not make her look like a corpse (she still is though if you think about it).
But this guy's either trolling or in need of serious help 🙄
violet karma
i'm joking about lilian btw lol
night swift
Oh I knew it was a joke lol
night swift
hmm that pic is kinda weird looking
plain vigil
I think it's fan art tbh
plain vigil
You can tell because her cannon look doesn't have exposed joints
Although idk if her heathstone card is cannon now that I think of it
AU Azeroth. Lightforged Lilian Vs Lilian Voss. Would kill to see something like that
arctic nova
anything new on ptr yet?
dense plover
no
there wont be for a long time
if at all, until after SLs launches
what would there be to test on ptr?
ionic terrace
pre-patch is about all, but i'd expect that june-july
dense plover
if they dont just leave that in Beta
elder otter
** ----- Closed for now, use #beta-shadowlands. ----- **
elder otter
----- Reopened -----
pulsar minnow
I feel a bit lost in it ngl
dense plover
thank you sas
foggy abyss
Characters personalization are in ?
ancient jasper
Yep
foggy abyss
noice
ancient jasper
Right now I'm getting Character Not Found on any login attempt, but I'm sure that'll fix itself when the PTR isn't being slammed.
vivid harness
ionic terrace
So much for June/July 
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solar minnow
PTR is heavy 😦
pulsar minnow
Wow. The NPE has a load of funny bugs
rich ocean
oh this exists now
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/U0gCtFs.png
Plus new weather effect in icecrown.
https://i.imgur.com/80w3ZrX.png
https://i.imgur.com/njxYAS0.png
https://i.imgur.com/Lwuijwc.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZgJjXs3.png
solar minnow
do anyone having this issues?
rich ocean
@orchid lodge winged figures? its the mawsworn
orchid lodge
i also think so, but just curious if someone have pictures of them from pre-patch
ancient jasper
Hm.. Looks like Mount Equipment isn't unlocked until level 40? That's.. kinda yikes.
dense plover
100% the mawsworn
you cant craft it before then @ancient jasper so it makes sense
also, leveling is pretty fast
ancient jasper
.. What? I can buy one from Pagle and send it at any level.
karmic parrot
is there a gear vendor to test the new class changes?
solar minnow
feral prism
dense plover
@ancient jasper when is mount equipment unlocked on live?
feral prism
finally my toon looks how i envisioned it
ancient jasper
Level 15 or 20
mossy perch
is the necklace / choker looking thing part of the customisation?
ancient jasper
Yep
obtuse vine
Do we know if there’s a scenario like battle for loarderon or broken shore?
dense plover
ah
then they probably fucked up the scaling @ancient jasper
report it as a bug
@obtuse vine there is not
there is the maw intro
thats tied to the expac tho
because it goes to the maw and then oribos
merry spear
I saw a way to do a pregen character but it disappeared. Is that still an option somewhere I'm missing?
obtuse vine
Yeah I know that much
Thought there would be like a battle for icecrown or something :/
But that will be done via questing I suppose
mossy perch
I'd prefer it that way since it means you're not missing anything crucial, like darnassus fucking burning
merry spear
there was literally a button there for a hot second, hehe
dense plover
theres no battle over icecrown
merry spear
ah well ty 🙂
dense plover
we just fight off the scourge until bolvar recovers and the factions get things under control
ivory meadow
changing genders causes you to boot from the game.
dense plover
report it
ivory meadow
yeah
ok, bigger problem not only did it boot me, I lost my character and I can't access them anymore nor can I copy other characters to PTR now.
dense plover
@ivory meadow thats a separate problem
ptr servers are being slammed
char copy is slammed
itll probably be better tomorrow
ivory meadow
mmm I see.
raven raft
Exile's Reach is bugged as hell on Horde side, couldn't complete one quest and the NPCs did not help at all in the dungeon, then when I accepted the quest from the wind rider dude I got dc'd :/
ancient jasper
Server restart incoming
pulsar minnow
ugh. I just dinged 10 outside of the dungeon then I got dc'd and can't get back on my character
gilded linden
Seems like DC is gonna be common now.
ivory meadow
yeah
ancient jasper
Welcome to the start of most large PTR patches.
dense plover
^
pulsar minnow
I'm honestly having a blast with this so far
junior swan
i cant log onto my character any more and when i try it says theres someone with that name already... even though i was literally just running around with it lol
slow shard
I get no realm available error and there is a queue now
ivory meadow
servers restarted
slow shard
oh
raven blade
can i get pinged when pack up?
ivory meadow
they're gonna let people trickle in.
tropic trail
lmao servers restart as soon I finished updating the PTR
mystic heart
noble rover
Hey, servers should be up
slow shard
yes but still not loading for me arguargumauargu
noble rover
nvm :/
slow shard
everyone back to retail folks
crimson jasper
boo
frozen stratus
its back
gilded linden
Everyone rush it at once...go...go...go
frozen stratus
gilded linden
Its working on my end
frozen stratus
I just tried too early probs
graceful carbon
Exiles Reach - Making a priest undead - unable to cast smite on anything
sonic urchin
viscid nova
Hey it’s hei!
cunning fossil
nice
gilded linden
So far exiles reach isnt looking too bad
graceful carbon
its actually really nice lol
Exiles reach really brings the rest of the game up to 2020
gilded linden
It is...for newbs lol. But they did an amazing job
Im just looking for any bugs
So far havent seen any on paladin
graceful carbon
It is for newbs but like
Its a good thing for newbs
The way you combat the npc and she actually tells you how to play your class with voice and chat commands lol
gilded linden
Where was that years ago?
sullen dawn
Cant wait till the whole world is that quality
gilded linden
Anyone do Rescue of Meredy Huntswell? Seems its bugged
frozen stratus
this event is honestly looking amazing
ivory meadow
yeah once they add argent healers and do a little tuning to the ghouls, this will be incredible.
i shit you not a DK went up and claimed a Frostwyrm and flew off with that shit. I was like "oh shit!"
gilded linden
If you do PTR be prepared Rescue of Meredy Huntswell is apparently bugged for the vast majority of players
violet karma
character copying be taking a while, this normal?
frozen stratus
havoc demon hunter feels the same so far but I havent had a change to actually play it
cause ive been doign prepatch events
crimson jasper
that sounds super fun
velvet wind
I kinda like how they use the old ghoul model too
sudden oak
not when you are trying to do anything at all and 30 ghouls gank you
slow shard
just go to the portal room and go to another zone
sudden oak
also I find the fact that their hp bars dont show extremely annoying
crimson jasper
l mean, there's gonna be toxic dipshits everywhere, just hope they won't ruin fun stuff like that
graceful carbon
fun thing too
When u kill something humanoid as a ghoul it spawns another ghoul
So u can literally infect and spread shit thru any zone u want 😄
crimson jasper
can you enter raids/dungeons with the ghoul form?
graceful carbon
And the ghouls which u create etc; spawn more ghouls
young latch
oh god the changes to mage are so nice and so fun
i love being able to use frostbolt in fire spec
also giving everybody mirrors is great
pulsar minnow
I don’t know how Blizz did it. But they made Fury even more fun.
Also these waves are amazing
ionic terrace
I may have run to Theramore
pulsar minnow
It's so bad that my game basically turned into a powerpoint.
pulsar minnow
Hey- so curious, should I report every single error I see, no matter how small? Like what if I find a tiny little spelling error. Should I report that or is that just nitpicking?
graceful carbon
PTR MEGA BUG: LEvel 10 player turned zombie, Zombie is considered level 48
Npcs are still scaled level 9-10
--> mass spawning zombies 😄
dense plover
@pulsar minnow yes
yes you should
no such thing as nitpicking
NO. SUCH. THING.
pulsar minnow
Alright. Thanks Peach.
I saw in the NPE some guy said warm up as two separate words when it should be one or have a hyphen in the center
So I felt that was in the area of nitpicks
dense plover
warm-up and warm up are both correct
dont worry
theyll just toss it out
i report stuff all the time that isnt neccesarily a bug because it ensures it gets read
pulsar minnow
I just really want to get those reports up
slow shard
what level are mages supposed to learn broken isles portal? it says it requires 110 on ptr
I will report anyway
dense plover
the number of times I have turned in a quest and in the box wrote "this isnt fun because XYZ" and as of my latest beta playthrough, theyve made a lot of changes to respond to those complaints
@slow shard known issue, but feel free to report
they havent updated portal levels
slow shard
cool
pulsar minnow
Somehow yes
Basically there’s less times where you’re spamming whirlwind because everything is out of charges or on CD
Onslaught’s addition helps get your enrage up and enrage in general has become more engaging with talents allowing you to enhance raging blow
Also, the new reckless abandon functions similarly to metamorphosis in that it alters your two main abilities (Bloodthirst and Raging blow)
I don’t even notice the enrage haste nerf.
indigo storm
Anyone tried to activate controller support yet?
/console GamePadId 1
Isn't working for me
tidal fiber
trying to configure addons and settings for ptr is like pulling my eyeball out with the other end of the hammer