#beta-ptr-spoilers

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sullen dawn
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So were looking at about 2 horrific vision runs per week once rewards normalize (I.e. after influx of 4-5 items you get by doing the quest line)

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?

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I'd would have been nice to do it more - like once a day

languid yoke
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3 might be doable but yeah not more than that

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play two chars and do one a day each terrif

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I get your concern but I feel like if we COULD run them once a day, then the requirements would've gone up equally too

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and that would become more pain

tranquil steeple
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I'd rather have the option to do one per week to stay relevant, than having to do it 5-7 times a week

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maybe we could've had a lesser vessel of horrific visions for purchasable for those that simply want to run it more, learn a route

languid yoke
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like an exploration ver. that doesn't give rewards?

tranquil steeple
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pretty much, but possibly with some transmog or toy rewards, so people have a reason to spam them without giving players powerful gear or progress to storylines

limber mural
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God ok PSA for all

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if you haven't done the wrathion questline from 8.2.5 on a character

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you will get softlocked doing the intro quests in 8.3

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you will finish the uldum quests and then there will be nothing more

dense plover
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I didn’t have that issue

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Never met the requirements to do the wrathion quest

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So it must be specifically if you meet the requirements and haven’t done it

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Or it’s a new bug

limber mural
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idk. i've ticketed blizzard in a severely-pissed-off manner

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because that's god-knows hours of my life wasted getting to this point on an alt

dense plover
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Did that character fight the last two bosses of eternal palace?

limber mural
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i have no idea

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i have 13 alts

plain vigil
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I didn't do eternal palace at all and my main was able to do the questline fine @dense plover

dense plover
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yeah thats what im saying

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people who COULD do the wrathion quest and didnt are bugged

plain vigil
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You needed to kill them to start the wrathion questline?!?

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Shit I'mma go do that!

dense plover
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no no

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to do the little side quest

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and dont

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it breaks your character

plain vigil
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Wym if I already have the cloak?

zealous basalt
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O

dense plover
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thats great

crimson jasper
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oh thats really good

plain vigil
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jagged pecan
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So, the Blood War Ending cutscenes for alliance and horde, how were/are you suppose to trigger them?

uncut vault
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they are likely post-raid

jagged pecan
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ty

strange falcon
ancient jasper
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Considering we supposedly murder the Old Gods with the Origination Ray.. Eh.

strange falcon
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i see you are not enlightened

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dont follow many speculation channels e.e

ancient jasper
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After the disappointment that was Blizzard not at least loosening the Faction Restrictions I've taken to looking at everything with a far larger grain of skepticism. shrug

plain vigil
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People who think blizzard is done with the old gods: 🤡

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The fact that the old god races are having such a rise up and invading seperatly from N’zoth should be enough to realize that

distant folio
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Wut? None of them are rising separately from N'Zoth

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But yeah, Blizzard literally stated they are not done with Old Gods, and the Light vs. Void expansion was already stated to be in their backpocket

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including Void lords

zealous basalt
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Tmw people think faction restrictions were going to be loosen mid expac

sullen dawn
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What is going on with servers today

strange falcon
sullen dawn
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Thanks

zealous basalt
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Did anyone notice

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that the whispers near the entrance are just

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bothersome

storm marsh
night swift
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The eye change?

storm marsh
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black hair color wasn't there before. The only dark color they have is more Blue-eish

night swift
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That was added a bit before the dk eye change

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Oh

storm marsh
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it was for Night Elves.

night swift
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Hmm I don’t think that was there before

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Nightborne also have a color like that

storm marsh
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Yea. I guess they will get darker hair color in SL. This might be the same unused texure Void Elves have (had since 7.3.5), but never made it

night swift
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I definitely see it happening

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Maybe a hair with highlights option like the pandaren

uncut vault
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did MMO champ post that recently?

storm marsh
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nope. I was just checking something in their model viewer

pallid yacht
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@storm marsh that was added in legion for the Demon Hunters

storm marsh
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Yeah, but it's never made available. Pretty sure I haven't seen it before. The black hair color was indeed made for Night Elves DHs in Legion @pallid yacht

sullen dawn
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So disconnected during a horrific vision and even tho I got back on before thrall died I got no rewarss

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They better give me a damn vessel refund

storm marsh
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It's so frustrating. I feel like the vial is too expensive for the amount of coalescing visions we get.

strange falcon
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probably will get nerfed in cost

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once the mythic nyalotha

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comes out

sullen dawn
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Especially when I just lost 3 days progress due to server lag

zealous basalt
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Bahaha

sullen dawn
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eh what are these wings the dwarf has?

dense plover
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think its a spell effect

night swift
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That looks like a hunter

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I don’t think they have a spell that does that

dense plover
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azerite or corruption effect?

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could be a corruption weapon effect

sullen dawn
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We know the corruption effects and none of them give wings

dense plover
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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im fairly certain its nothing significant

storm marsh
dense plover
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what mistake?

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i dont see one

uncut vault
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The cat is the one from MoP

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Not the new white one

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In the voiceover too, they say the name of the original warsaber, not the white one

dense plover
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woops

night swift
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Lmao

dense plover
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lol

storm marsh
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noticed it because i'm interested in doing pvp this season

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caught my eye instantly

ionic terrace
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@sullen dawn It's the stat proc for the cape

storm marsh
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I seriously hope N'zoth won't be big as his figure above Cathedral in the first cinematic because he seems so small.

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In the raid cinematic of course.

uncut vault
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the boss fight is more of his core, not his full body

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his full form is the skybox of the raid

zealous basalt
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Nzoth gigantamax

crimson jasper
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omg, you genius xD

west talon
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Damn

storm marsh
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When I saw the video, I paid attention to his movements, but he wasn't moving. That's dissapointing :/

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lol I'm obsessed with N'zoth

spare delta
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He's got you.

storm marsh
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🐙

wooden niche
sullen dawn
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What time is us serve rup?

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Wanna see cinematic

sullen dawn
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Never I see 3 hrs from now

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And I guess 3 more to clear raid on normal

bitter horizon
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will the cinematic be data minable immediately, or do people actually have to clear it first?

foggy abyss
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People have to clear it

dense plover
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^

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it needs a key

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you only get the key when you beat the raid

bitter horizon
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Ah, I wasn't sure! Thanks for clarifying.

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How quickly do people usually breeze through normal?

dense plover
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couple of hours

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so assuming servers go up as late as they can

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probably 4-6 hours after that

tulip sun
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Late tonight

sullen dawn
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well late tonight EU time, prolly like 9pm PST

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i doubt itll take more than 3 hrs for a good guild to clear normal

mystic heart
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Are normal on US opened?

dense plover
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It depends

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There’s a couple of bosses that are very hard

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes more time

ionic terrace
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No @mystic heart

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Servers are down still

mystic heart
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kk

storm marsh
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lol I totally forgot the cinematic will be out in few hours

sullen dawn
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Yeh but a mythic guild isnt gonna struggle to clear normal

dense plover
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Struggle, no. But there could always be bugs or problems

sullen dawn
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Sure. Just basing it off eternal palace. Even asmongolds PUG group cleared normal in 3 hrs

twilit coral
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arround what hour the servers will open?

dense plover
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30 mins

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Literally says in the launcher

sullen dawn
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Anyone know which guilds are gonna stream normal?

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Servers up

dense plover
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What are the assaults?

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Well, Nzoth obviously

sullen dawn
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Not sure I'm eu

storm marsh
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so raiding started i suppose

sullen dawn
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Kinda people are just setting up in front of wrathion

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Heroic wrathion at 30% few normal kills already

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Heroic down

storm marsh
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for some reason, no video on twitch works for me. it keeps buffering, but my net is more than fine

sullen dawn
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wow 2 guilds already 3/12 bosses down in normal

round lake
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"normal"

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theres no reason to be surprised with that

dense plover
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I expect them to get stuck at 6 or 7

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That’s where the difficulty spikes significantly

smoky mural
limber mural
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same person who OK'd the nzoth eye in crucible

storm marsh
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lmao

sullen dawn
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Some guys are on boss 11 now

dense plover
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Well, cutscene soon I guess

ionic terrace
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pog

sullen dawn
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Yeh next 10 mins

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Or 15

dense plover
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Streaming?

wheat walrus
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there are ppl on 11th boss?

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for me twitch is buffering aswell

dense plover
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@sullen dawn

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Ptr build went out

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Might unlock cutscene when it gets pushed to live

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So it can be datamined

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And then uploaded

wheat walrus
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il wait for wowhead to post the cinematic:) all streamers are at the second boss, slow mfkers:))

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wowhead will beat them:)

dense plover
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Someone might record and upload

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But it’s hard to say

storm marsh
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anyone on nzoth now?

round lake
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normal isnt much of a challenge for a buncha people its heroic that poses the main threat to most of the playerbase

dense plover
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@sullen dawn

wheat walrus
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toby droped the info and left:)

storm marsh
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cant find a stream that is on last boss

round lake
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was the ending cinematic datamined to be like 1 minute?

smoky mural
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less 40 sec

wheat walrus
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if the kill cinematic is that Wip shit with the hearth of azeroth

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im going to die

storm marsh
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really. not even a min?

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dissapointing

wheat walrus
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they did 3 min of anduin talking to varok like wow

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thats what we wanted to see:))

storm marsh
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it better be omega epic to justify the "shortness"

mystic heart
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@storm marsh we have 3 cinematics in this patch

wheat walrus
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im going to post the WIP

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dont get excited

storm marsh
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guys, is there anywhere I can follow the current situation. A stream or something

wheat walrus
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if its this bullshit

dense plover
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That’s not the cinematic

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That’s before the cinematic

wheat walrus
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i hope so

dense plover
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I know so

storm marsh
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also, which is the 3rd cinematic if 1 is anduin, other is raid ending @mystic heart

tranquil steeple
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that's more like an in-game cutscene

wheat walrus
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thank god if you are right:)

dense plover
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I know I am

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We have 2 or 3 encrypted cutscenes

mystic heart
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@storm marsh idk in files i found 3

dense plover
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1 was wrathion and anduin

wheat walrus
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i think there were 2

dense plover
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1 is probably raid end

wheat walrus
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so...nobody has any idea when its going to drop?:)

mystic heart
dense plover
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At the end of the raid

wheat walrus
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oh i know:)

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i mean at what boss are ppl

dense plover
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Someone has to get to the end and either record the key using a special tool

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Or upload the cinematic

storm marsh
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@mystic heart it's confusing. not sure what im looking at 😄

mystic heart
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😄

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bfa_83 look on this

storm marsh
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the ones with _PTR ending

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there are 3 "encrypted"

mystic heart
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yea

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so who are leading now

wheat walrus
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this one is the most advanced , the wowhead one:)

storm marsh
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@dense plover I think when somebody unlocks the cinematic first, it just becomes visible in the database. I remember Wowhead saying this before

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so nobody from the raid needs to record

dense plover
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Nah

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We need a key

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If someone using the wowhead database raids, yes that would work

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It captures the keys

storm marsh
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oh

wheat walrus
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squishei did the argus cinematic first in legion also:)

amber storm
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Which stage of the raid is squishei currently at?

wheat walrus
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9 or 10/12

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Il'gynoth now

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but not sure if hes done shadhar

amber storm
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Isn't Shad'har a requirement for Il'gynoth? ha, I still don't understand the boss unlocks

wheat walrus
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not sure

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so my bad

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he might still need to do a few of them

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idk if hes done hivemind or dark inq

lone marten
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2 bosses left

wheat walrus
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yeah

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they did raden and vexiona

ionic terrace
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hurry up 😠

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i want to see my cinematic

amber storm
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lol, so much trash

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Oooh

wheat walrus
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hoyl fuuuck

ionic terrace
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what

amber storm
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Wrathion is such a pretty boy

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I want audio, lol

wheat walrus
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taliesin called it

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lol

amber storm
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Yep

lone marten
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Damn that was cool

wheat walrus
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he said wrathion will stab nzoth

lone marten
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Cant wait to see the next one

amber storm
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They uploading now?

foggy abyss
tropic trail
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that first cinematic was so cool

smoky mural
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there only one @tropic trail

tropic trail
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2

uncut vault
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wasnt really a hard thing to call lol

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I called that three months ago

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anything other than that?

tropic trail
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there is one for 2nd to last boss

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and for nzoth

amber storm
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It's up on youtube

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lol

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Gah, I love the audio

wheat walrus
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wrathion is the vip now

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most charismatic character in wow:)

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everybody wants to be like him and everybody wants to be with him

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:))

amber storm
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lol

round lake
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Well thats not the ending one

amber storm
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No, they are still on the second to last boss

azure estuary
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The Lovecraftian imagery. I LOVE IT

zealous basalt
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Ohh that's so good

limber mural
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imagine if that was just it

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nah sorry players you don't get to kill nzoth

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an npc did it in a cutscene with no intervention from you

dusty zephyr
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hes so badass

limber mural
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people would be so mad

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i could only imagine a way for people to be more mad and that's for Byleth from fire emblem to walk out at the end

azure estuary
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So it the final cinematic not datamined until after someone clears it?

uncut vault
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an npc did it in a cutscene with no intervention from you
you mean what happened in Wrath, Cata, and MoP? 😛

wheat walrus
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so the last cinematic is the 36 second one?

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or 39

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i dont remember

tropic trail
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it cant be that short

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im waiting for the beam

round lake
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if thats the only one its gonna be so bad lol

wheat walrus
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fury of nzoth is a long ass boss

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carapace

amber storm
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Seriously, another transition, lol

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I guess that's why there was a 12 minute enrage

wheat walrus
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i expect the 39 sec cinematic now

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and the last one is longer:)

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nzoth has to make a big appereance now in a cinematic

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at the end of this boss

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prepare

mystic heart
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24sec

amber storm
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Badum badum

wheat walrus
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thats all?

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he just rises?

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like a chipmunk?

tropic trail
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yup

amber storm
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lol

wheat walrus
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or how are they called

amber storm
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lmao

wheat walrus
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i exected something a bit more fabulous

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🙂

amber storm
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Wrathion being sassy, lul

wheat walrus
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what did he say?

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i was rewatching the wrathion cutscene for the 10th time

amber storm
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Something like "For someone that can see everything you are pretty blind"

wheat walrus
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🙂

amber storm
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It was after he burrowed out

wheat walrus
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i hope its not a long fight

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i cant wait

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i need a good cinematic to keep me for the rest of the year

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until shadowlands:))

amber storm
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lol, seriously

wheat walrus
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like the one at the end of legion kept me

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that was a good one

uncut vault
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Nzoths dialogue is more important than wrathions in that convo 😛

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"Every war waged, every trial overcome.... led you here to me."
"My vision shall be made real..... Complete the circle. Open the way."

amber storm
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lol, sass always overshadows lore, Blizz 101

wheat walrus
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nzoth wants to die

amber storm
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Yess

wheat walrus
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LEST GO

amber storm
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Did you see the enrage timer this time?

wheat walrus
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ofc it takes so long , they have a feral in the raid:))

amber storm
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lol

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Noooo

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Did he bug out?

wheat walrus
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idk

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yogg looked 300% cooler

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is he bugged again?

amber storm
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I can't tell, he doesn't really react much, ha

wheat walrus
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feels like an empty fight

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idk

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he doesnt move much

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wipe

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lol

zealous basalt
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So he doesn't move but you wiped

dense plover
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So we got a carapace cinematic, but no end cinematic, yeah?

sullen dawn
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boss isnt dead

dense plover
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👌

sullen dawn
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theres an end cinematic but apparently quite short (24s?)

wheat walrus
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the legion end cinematic is 2:58 minutes

amber storm
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Gold

wheat walrus
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illidans smirking was 24 seconds

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🙂

amber storm
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lol

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I wish I could move the camera up to see what Deathwing is up to

wheat walrus
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whats up with deathwing

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i wasnt watching the fight

amber storm
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Zoth was talking about corrupting the earth warden, then I saw a dragon shadow fly across the room. Deathwing then said a couple of things, but the camera was not panned up.

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Damn, wipe

uncut vault
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he's in the fight throughout it seems

wheat walrus
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this will take some time

uncut vault
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he has voice linesand throws down fire on the raid

amber storm
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Yeah, I just need to be patient. 😄

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Ah, so he was responsible for that fire

sullen dawn
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i think we should reign in expectations for final cinematic

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as it appears to be shorter than even the eternal palace ending (hope im wrong)

wheat walrus
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they cant do that much in 24 s

uncut vault
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after the dagger thing being used in the first one, I expect him to die-die

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and his death is just what calls the void lords into action

amber storm
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Did the dagger do anything other than slice open N'zoth?

sullen dawn
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how can we see void lords in 24s? again hope im wrong

wheat walrus
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didnt seem

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made nzoths eye twitch

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eyes*

amber storm
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lol, eyes* definitely

uncut vault
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it exposed his core, that seems to be about it

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but nzoth clearly wanted that

wheat walrus
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he looked like he was having an orgasm

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yeah wrathion , thats the spot

amber storm
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Even he can't resist Wrathion

wheat walrus
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even nzoth wants to f wrathion

amber storm
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Damn, that's a busy room

wheat walrus
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i can wait until the summer to pug this one

amber storm
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Oh god, lol

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I'm glad 10 min is an option for this raid, because I don't want to 4 week pug on this fight

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Damn Sylvanas

dense plover
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i still think the dagger is exactly what nzoth wanted

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i still think the end, where we "kill" him is going to be exactly what he wants

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an azeroth that thinks he is dead

amber storm
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I hope so, I don't want this to be the end of his war

dense plover
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i think it will be "for now"

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and maybe the expac after the expac after SLs, he will return

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illidan went 3 expacs before returning

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wrath, mop, wod

sullen dawn
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or as we expected earlier, killing him gets him into the SL

dense plover
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so thats our average i guess?

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i dont think so

sullen dawn
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and he shows up in a patch

dense plover
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Old gods have no reason to show up in the SLs

sullen dawn
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just a potentiality, story could go anywhere from here

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that we know of

dense plover
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just like demons dont

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i think old gods return to the void

sullen dawn
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well the demons did show up in SLs

dense plover
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they arent associated with the SLs, so it wouldnt make sense

sullen dawn
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they stole the helm of domination and death magic

dense plover
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uh

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being able to go there and going there when you die arent the same

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demons return to the twisting nether when they die

amber storm
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The demons creating it may be retconned, though

dense plover
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and we dont know how they got the helm

sullen dawn
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i know that, but whose to say n'zoth hasn't manipulated things to go there when he dies, even if he shouldnt naturally

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tbh the lore is unpredictable now

dense plover
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its not THAT unpredictable

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theres nothing tying nzoth to the SLs

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and it wouldnt make sense

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theyve been building up to this

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and its clearly not the followup

amber storm
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I thought that was the realm they could not penetrate?

dense plover
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keeping him present would just mean we get bored of the void and its enemies

sullen dawn
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my point is, i don't think you can turn down theories because it doesnt fit with existing information. blizzard are happy to change or extend things to continue the story

dense plover
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it is illogical to base a hypothesis on "but they could change it"

sullen dawn
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its just a guess, but it COULD happen, and is interesting to me, but probably wrong

dense plover
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they could literally change anything

wheat walrus
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will Limit go almost full demonhunter for world first?

dense plover
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its a shit argument

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whales dont fly

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but they COULD

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you never know!

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/s

sullen dawn
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it would be illogical if this was science, but its just me predicting fun story avenues

dense plover
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but you have no base to predict off of

amber storm
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I thought limit was doing limited runs for different classes/lower classes

dense plover
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you arent predicting

sullen dawn
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again, fantastical stories and real world science dont hold the same standards of logic

dense plover
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you are making up a fully non-logical situation

sullen dawn
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they can do whatever they want

dense plover
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based on nothing

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thats a shit argum,ent

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"they can do whatever they want"

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is not a good basis for any theory

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maybe illidan comes back and has demon babies

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"they can do whatever they want"

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see?

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shit

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argument

sullen dawn
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but its not an agrument

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*argument

dense plover
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its a crappy basis for a theory

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because it isnt one

sullen dawn
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its not even a theory

dense plover
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its a "what if?"

sullen dawn
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yes

dense plover
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what ifs are inherently worthless

sullen dawn
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i didnt sell it as anything else

dense plover
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because ANYTHING can happen

sullen dawn
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eh....all speculation is inhernently worthless

dense plover
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they arent fun to discuss

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no, it isnt

sullen dawn
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its FUN to guess and think about potentials

dense plover
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speculation based on existing lore and writing trends can lead to realistic potentials

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making stuff up isnt a potential

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because then literally everything is possible

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and thats just not true

sullen dawn
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and dont tell me old gods wanting to get a one up on death someone through SL is the same as an army of illidan demon babies. thats just being ingenuine

dense plover
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theres no dicusssion to be had on a "what if" because if the basis for that what if is "anything can happen b/c blizz can change it" - then there is no logical discussion to be had. It contributes nothing because it isnt based on any existing lore

sullen dawn
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i mean...dont tell me what i find fun or not you jerk

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im not discussing stuff with you, youre so anal

dense plover
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theres no discussion to be had in regards to full what if statements - its not discussing in the first place

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thats my problem with it

sullen dawn
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ok lets not continue

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not going anywhere productive

dense plover
#

"what is sylvanas is going to the shadowlands to help the forsaken?" "what if nzoth infected sylvanas and thats why she did all of those things"

limber mural
#

drop it peach, dude wants to drop it

dense plover
#

fine

upbeat cairn
#

Why do they let you berate the shit out of people in here?

uncut vault
#

It contributes nothing because it isnt based on any existing lore
are we talking about lore speculation, or all of BfA?

pulsar iris
#

ending cinematic released?

tropic trail
#

no

pulsar iris
#

only wrathion's?

wheat walrus
#

48%

uncut vault
#

cause "Sylvanas is doing bad shit to aid the forsaken" is more in line with old lore than the stuff we're getting now

tropic trail
zealous basalt
#

Why? Because that's what you expect when you say something

pulsar iris
#

oh ty

wheat walrus
#

40%

dense plover
#

oof, 40%?

#

how many times have they wiped?

wheat walrus
#

5?

#

30%

#

its coming, im cuming

tropic trail
#

they might wipe

wheat walrus
#

25%

#

wipe...

#

damn

dense plover
#

yeah

#

theyre losing too many people early on

wheat walrus
#

this time its a kill

#

Will be curious to see if this in-game cutscene datamined during the PTR is the real end of the N'Zoth encounter (obv with more model polish) or if there will be a cinematic as well, or a mix. Maybe this was a datamining fakeout? We'll see soon!

#

perculia's tweet

dense plover
#

i suspect its the IGC and THEN the real one

wheat walrus
#

i was thinking about the fact that that wip cutscene was fake

amber storm
#

That would be pretty sweet

dense plover
#

unlikely

wheat walrus
#

true

dense plover
#

we spent all of that time getting the forge working

#

and the voice files are still there

sullen dawn
#

It's real it just precedes the cinematic

dense plover
#

^

#

almost 100% this

wheat walrus
#

its most likely that ingame cutscene

#

and after that the 24 sec

#

cinematic

dense plover
#

it could be longer

#

the length estimation is based on the file size

sullen dawn
#

Most likely

dense plover
#

theres been inconsistencies before

#

but yeah, probably 30 sec

#

its also possible theres a followup quest/cinematic that isnt currently in the game

#

that might release the 17th

#

the week after the last lfr wing

wheat walrus
#

or a mythic cinematic?

dense plover
#

nah

#

that would be datamined

#

and they stopped doing that

#

they dont lock story behind mythic

#

it isnt fair

wheat walrus
#

true

dense plover
#

AH

#

so this is where the deathwing stuff happens

amber storm
#

Damn

ionic terrace
#

oof

sullen dawn
#

There is a mythic only phase tho right?

dense plover
#

think so

#

thats not uncommon

ionic terrace
#

yes there is

amber storm
#

I'm going to drive home, I hope it's up by the time I get there. 😄

dense plover
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

theyre all over the place

zealous basalt
#

What happened

wheat walrus
#

come on!

#

25%

#

10%

#

get ready

#

2%

tropic trail
#

POG

dense plover
#

cutscene

tropic trail
#

BEEEEEEEAM

#

RIP Nyalotha

wheat walrus
#

really?

dense plover
#

well

#

that was a let down

wheat walrus
#

biggest letdown

uncut vault
#

like I said, they already used the dagger in the first one, so this one was bound to be lame

tropic trail
#

that was so trashy

pulsar iris
#

and the dagger only opened him, is that it?

zealous basalt
#

Damn

dense plover
#

we dont know where it is actually

#

dagger is MIA

zealous basalt
#

That was so lackluster

tropic trail
#

i liked that one more than azshara one lol

pulsar iris
#

but it did only open him up

tropic trail
#

way more*

dense plover
#

something might happen after turn in

#

probably dialogue

#

and again

#

dagger is MIA

twilit coral
#

F

tropic trail
#

F

limber mural
#

does anyone have a clip?

round lake
#

Was that really it

dense plover
#

squishei hasnt done the dragon quests

zealous basalt
#

Well

dense plover
#

some people are saying theres more

zealous basalt
#

That was it

#

I suppose we have to do it by ourselves

wheat walrus
storm marsh
#

Was there a 2nd cinematic after wrathion ?

burnt trout
#

worst ending

storm marsh
#

Waiting for post

dense plover
#

yes

#

it was a let down

#

BUT

zealous basalt
#

Nzoth outplayed us

dense plover
#

Dagger is still MIA

sullen dawn
#

gonna get curve then break till 9.0 i think

dense plover
#

so that storyline isnt dead

ivory meadow
#

yeah

mortal schooner
#

10.0 is "NZOTH BE BACK BITCHES" (?)

dense plover
#

i expect 11.0 tbh

#

maybe 12.0

#

considering illidan

mortal schooner
#

Sargeras has a comeback

wheat walrus
#

this actually killed a lot of hype

round lake
#

Way to end on a weak note

dark furnace
#

It's probably the best they could do since they cant use your playermodel in a cgi cinematic

#

But I wish there was more to it than just that

limber mural
#

imagine if they could

#

Bruh I remember an illidan meme from end of legion saying In Case of Sub Loss, Break Glass and it's a case full of Illidan

azure estuary
#

So only the I game scene that leaked months ago is it?!

dense plover
#

i bet monopoly dollars that they are trying to work on that emu

#

no, tiny tiny followup

wheat walrus
#

can we agree that bfa is the worst expansion yet?

dense plover
#

warlords

#

was

limber mural
#

lol

#

wod

dense plover
#

worse

azure estuary
#

Nah. WoD

dense plover
#

by so much

#

warlords only had raiding

limber mural
#

if you say anything but wod was the worst expac you never played wod

dense plover
#

if you didnt raid, there was no warlords content

wheat walrus
#

i played wod

dense plover
#

all the way?

#

from the start?

wheat walrus
#

all the way

#

and i did raid

azure estuary
#

Then how can you say that?

dense plover
#

^

#

it had no content outside of raiding until hellfire

wheat walrus
#

there was lack of content yes

#

but the initial content was great

dense plover
#

BfA has been a mess, but at least it has always had something to do

#

BfA's initial content was great

#

the storylines for each zone are wonderful

azure estuary
#

Apparently no content is better than bad content.

dense plover
#

it isnt even bad content

#

it just isnt amazing

wheat walrus
#

bfa was a mess , wod was lack of content

dense plover
#

WQs arent bad

crimson jasper
#

8.3 content so far has been great tho

dense plover
#

the azerite grind is pointless sometimes

wheat walrus
#

everybody is tired as fk of wq

crimson jasper
#

and is more than "no content"

dense plover
#

but the issue with BfA comes in with the grind not being fun or feeling motivational

#

the assaults and visions are a good preview of SLs

#

in that they dont have WQs directly

azure estuary
#

Yeah BFA is just ok. I prefer it over Cata and WoD

dense plover
#

and they have repeatable optionally challenging modes

wheat walrus
#

cata was great

dense plover
#

via the masks

wheat walrus
#

lol

sullen dawn
#

i liked cata

azure estuary
#

In your opinion

wheat walrus
#

not wotlk or bc great

sullen dawn
#

the dungeon difficulty was great

wheat walrus
#

but one of the best

uncut vault
#

well.... at least shadowlands alpha is soon

ivory meadow
#

yeah

dense plover
#

my list is still: Legion, Wrath, MoP, Cata, BC, WoD

sullen dawn
#

dungeons were really well balanced in cata

dense plover
#

BfA is probably tied with cata for me

zealous basalt
#

BfA has good systems

dense plover
#

i only played for a few months in cata, and i started at the end of wrath

zealous basalt
#

More than WoD

sullen dawn
#

legion > wrath > cata > bfa > vanilla

dense plover
#

so im a bit biased in that regard

sullen dawn
#

didnt play mop or wod

wheat walrus
#

my list is: Wotlk>Legion>BC>Classic>Cata>Mop>Wod>Bfa

dense plover
#

oh god no

zealous basalt
#

My favorite is MoO

dense plover
#

BC is not better than mop

uncut vault
#

TBC is a step higher than BfA for me, because they have the same terrible level of story quality, but TBCs can be excused with the resources they had at the time, and the frantic desire to use memorable characters

sullen dawn
#

oops tbc over cata

dense plover
#

have you gone to outland?

zealous basalt
#

MoP

uncut vault
#

they have no such excuse in BfA

azure estuary
#

He rated Cata above MoP lol

dense plover
#

MoP was great

#

it just was....a lot

#

too many dailies

sullen dawn
#

i would have enjoyed mop i think if i was here for it

dense plover
#

WAY too many

wheat walrus
#

cata had the last true itemisation

#

mop is lower because it introduced titanforging

dense plover
#

warforge

#

not titan

zealous basalt
#

MoP>WotlK>Cata>Legion>TBC>Vanilla>WoD

dense plover
#

10 ilvl lock

wheat walrus
#

and cata was 80% without LFR

dense plover
#

and theyre now fully killing it

zealous basalt
#

That's my rating

dense plover
#

LFR is great, change my mind

#

it doesnt hurt serious players and allows casuals to see the content

crimson jasper
#

its good to have that for casual players

tropic trail
#

I think...

crimson jasper
#

ye exactly

tropic trail
#

that one was the "worst" end cinematic we ever had of an end patch

uncut vault
#

warforging was also a good system at conception, because it had the key detail of being able to manually upgrade

dense plover
#

^

faint breach
#

I still hope that there will be other cinematic

mortal schooner
#

Maybe we'll get something in Mythic?

zealous basalt
#

Eh I think WoD still has it

dense plover
#

warlords was where it went off the rails

uncut vault
#

it wasnt problematic until they removed that system and introduced titanforging

dense plover
#

almost certainly nothing in mythic

wheat walrus
#

im sry i rate wod higher then bfa , i had a lot of fun in wod , it was the first time i dabled into highend raiding

dense plover
#

my guess is a small patch on march 17th

#

the week after the final lfr wing

wheat walrus
#

its more of an personal opinion

mortal schooner
#

I'm fine with that.

dense plover
#

with a tie in quest that leads us towards SLs

ivory meadow
#

was about to ask

azure estuary
#

Apology accepted

zealous basalt
#

They say no small patches anymoar

dense plover
#

like how the sword intros led us towards azerite

storm marsh
#

Oh my gox

uncut vault
#

WoD lacked content, but the stuff we got was mostly decent, and the things that werent are clearly all a result of the rush job/scrapped systems

storm marsh
#

I just watched what happened

dense plover
#

they said no plans for a small patch like a X.X.5

uncut vault
#

BfA isnt a rush job, its a fully complete xpac, and its still bad

dense plover
#

doesnt mean they wont do a short questline and cinematic

mortal schooner
#

they could stll add SOMETHING

ivory meadow
#

I at least expected some sort of tie-in to SL

dense plover
#

as I said

sullen dawn
#

yes, but in 9.0

zealous basalt
#

Prolly they just want to end it

sullen dawn
#

i think

#

pre-patch

dense plover
#

probably a small patch march 17th

zealous basalt
#

Or there is something else already

dense plover
#

with a short questline

sullen dawn
#

there could be 8.3.2

dense plover
#

because it is the week after lfr ends

zealous basalt
#

And it's just for people that did all content

ivory meadow
#

hopefully

dense plover
#

thats when they did the sword stuff for everyone in legion

#

and added the sword intro quests

#

and the azerite tie-in I think

storm marsh
#

I cant believe it

azure estuary
#

So how did it end, exactly? I missed it

storm marsh
#

Same old ptr cutscene

sullen dawn
#

badly

zealous basalt
#

2 cinemáticas and that's it

storm marsh
#

And 10 secs of nyalotha just dissapearing

uncut vault
#

hey, at least this one didnt have 24 Sylvanas' walking towards Nzoth

zealous basalt
#

They don't even say how do we end in the chamber

ivory meadow
#

and the dagger is nowhere to be seen

azure estuary
#

Unless they’re saving it for Mythic completion

#

Which I doubt

storm marsh
#

This ending is beyond what warcraft cinematics are known to

#

This is so dissappointing

#

They better say there is something more

sullen dawn
#

going by history, there won't be

storm marsh
#

Omg

#

Yeah

sullen dawn
#

at least alpha soon

#

and a fresh new hype cycle

storm marsh
#

Yeah... omg im still shocked

sullen dawn
#

2020 will be a great year for gaming, new consoles, new zelda and 9.0 so lots to look forward to

azure estuary
#

How do they honestly think that after the Antorus finale, the fans would be pleased with that?

storm marsh
#

How could they aprove this

#

Exactly

#

Antorus ending was breathtaking

#

Nzoth is more epic than sargeras to me

#

Yet...

zealous basalt
#

It just blew

burnt trout
#

This ending...god...

tranquil steeple
#

oh boy I'm half scared to look at whatever the cinematic is

sullen dawn
#

its nothing

#

nzoth just explodes

tropic trail
#

Actually looks kinda sick

burnt trout
#

Goku vs Nzoth, but just in one frame

storm marsh
#

I want ppl to spam the devs about how could they let this dissapointment happen

zealous basalt
#

Probably they don't care at this rate

#

They jumped out of the ship

burnt trout
#

Exactly

zealous basalt
#

They delivered

#

Time to riot

burnt trout
#

They just wanna work in shadowlands

storm marsh
#

First the eternal palace ending dissapointment and now this. I was really hoping for something glorious

burnt trout
#

WOD have better ending than BFA.

storm marsh
#

Agreed

zealous basalt
#

The patch was nice

#

But the raid cinematic was just oof

azure estuary
#

WoD’s only redeeming quality lol

sullen dawn
#

shadowlands better drop lore bombs left right and centre

#

i feel like 9.0 was really good story wise but the patches have been meh

#

really enjoyed jaina/rastakhan/uldir story

azure estuary
#

8.0*

sullen dawn
#

eh yes 8.0

#

getting ahead of myself hah 😉

near garnet
#

I don't get why people get so angry, how else would they get the champion in a cinematic?

azure estuary
#

That was never an issue with any other expansions finale

near garnet
#

I prefer this over another legion end N'zoth beam

#

This time it's the champions direct doing, last expac was titans beaming the big boy

azure estuary
#

Every raid since Wrath has had a finale cinematic. Instead we get a cutscene

near garnet
#

With us in it

#

Can't put us in a cinematic

tranquil steeple
#

what it seems like to me is that they had planned for something with the War Campaign to be part of, if not the end cinematic, but realized they couldn't provide enough content for it to make it possible to be the end cinematic... so they needed to shove in us as the Champion of Azeroth to do something

azure estuary
#

They don’t need to put us in a cinematic.

#

We weren’t in any others

near garnet
#

They don't need to, nah. But I like that they do. So we actually do something for once instead of stand there in the background while everyone else does the work

#

And yea, I'm pretty sure they had more planned ontop of all this

#

But hey, I like that we finally get to something substantial

tranquil steeple
#

I agree with that, but it was also badly done. imo

near garnet
#

Could've been done alot better but I really don't think it deserves the hate it's getting

dense plover
#

eh

#

its the last cinematic of the expansion

#

its deserved

#

its a bit hyperbolic

#

but its deserved

azure estuary
#

It’s the expansion’s finale

zealous basalt
#

It needed more iml

tranquil steeple
#

yeah, considering it's the last cinematic (or if not the very last, the last raid cinematic of the expansion) but I don't necessarily hate it, just think it was badly handled... like with a lot of BfA, to be fair

zealous basalt
#

It ended very abruptly

#

It should have shown more

tranquil steeple
#

should've been longer at the very least, like mentioned earlier show how/why we're in the Chamber of Heart after the cinematic

near garnet
#

I think they intended BFA to be the "We are listening to fans" expac, but there was just so much in the end that they had to push out what they have

indigo laurel
#

The cinematic is pretty lame, actually.

#

or 🤷‍♂️

ivory meadow
#

it's ok as an ending cinematic

near garnet
#

It's meh

#

At least we got something

ivory meadow
#

"ok"

limber mural
#

where can i see the cinematic? YT doesn't have it yet

tranquil steeple
#

latest wowhead post, emu

zealous basalt
#

In wowhead

azure estuary
#

This was borderline nothing

indigo laurel
limber mural
#

but not on wowhead's yt channel... nice

round lake
#

We meme beamed nzoth

near garnet
#

Big man got reoriginated

indigo laurel
#

Like, its lacking "weight". It's a bit of a special effects show, but thats it.

#

I feel nothing

ivory meadow
#

it was more of a "fuck it we're done with this" cinematic than a "we're done but something else happened as a result"

near garnet
#

I'm sure if they could include the player character in the cinematics, they would

round lake
#

Its like Michael Bay made this cinematic

near garnet
#

At least I get to see people get angry

indigo laurel
#

I'm not even angry.

#

Its just well....its there.

near garnet
#

Oh nah, but just wait an hour

#

People will get angry really fast

#

That's the true cinematic for me Nice

indigo laurel
#

Ah.

#

Well, i think its kinda a product of the underlying problem of BfA cramming in two storylines into one expansion that didn't go well together

azure estuary
#

Can’t defend the underwhelming ending. So now he was trolling all along lol

indigo laurel
#

(plus, taking time away from both)

near garnet
#

Oh nah I'll defend it

#

I'm just saying I'll enjoy the hate train

azure estuary
#

Defend what?

near garnet
#

The ending

zealous basalt
#

The cinematic

azure estuary
#

“Cinematic”

zealous basalt
#

Though enjoying the hate train is fun too

near garnet
#

Getting heated about it won't change anything, so I stay cool and take it for what it is. What else should I do?

zealous basalt
#

For real

storm marsh
#

They should have continued with faction war... as they said it 100% is all about it

crimson jasper
#

it was nice of them to include us as the "main character" to finish it

near garnet
#

HERE IT COMES

ivory meadow
#

hella facts Dion

zealous basalt
#

It's not on Ptr anymore

crimson jasper
#

tbf ff14 did the exact same, killing last story boss with anime friendship beam

ivory meadow
#

Axe.

near garnet
#

I mean didn't we meme beam sargeras too?

azure estuary
#

No

ivory meadow
#

it was an Axe, not a beam.

near garnet
#

Wait how many things have beamed over the years

storm marsh
#

Anyone know what was that PTR build about?

#

From 6 hours ago

near garnet
#

Deathwing was beamed. Sargeras was beamed, N'zoth was beamed

azure estuary
#

Sargeras was tractor beamed

near garnet
#

I mean a beam is a beam

crimson jasper
#

l'm fine with it, we did the raid, and we actually for once killed the last boss

azure estuary
#

He’s not dead though

near garnet
#

Practially, he is in the Illidan zone now

crimson jasper
#

well "repelled" whatever you wanna call it

near garnet
#

And ye, I agree with Shuja now that I think about it

#

Finally it's not just "Haha, I'm gonna go somewhere else now"

Or

"Haha I'm imprisoned, but just you waait!"

crimson jasper
#

our epic cinematic was the fights we had on the way^^

zealous basalt
#

Actually we finally killed a final boss

#

Now I realize it

crimson jasper
#

exactly

near garnet
#

Yeah right? Shuja out here with troof

ivory meadow
#

you're dead and you stay dead you bitch.

limber mural
#

bruh somehow i signed up to pop n'zoth and still i feel i am whelmed

indigo laurel
#

The Sargeras beaming "felt" much better though, even though it was a beam

near garnet
#

Yea whelmed. Not overwhelmed, or.. Underwhelmed. Just whelmed

azure estuary
#

Under

indigo laurel
#

@zealous basalt I mean, Ion was shifty about him being dead-dead in the one interview yesterday or so. So....

near garnet
#

Heartless, my dude complaining won't get a better cinematic. Might as well just take it for what it is

crimson jasper
#

sure the actual cutscene could have bern better BUT its a step towards player chara maybe in a cinematic one day

near garnet
#

Yeah eactly

crimson jasper
#

it's involving "the hero" wich is good

round lake
near garnet
#

We finally get to be a part of it. Instead of being that guy who beat argus but isn't talked about ever

crimson jasper
#

cause usually we are just bystanders

limber mural
#

i will lose my shit the first time I hear my character speak in a cutscene and i don't think we're a year off that

azure estuary
#

I can criticize if I want. The ending was UNDERwhealmong

zealous basalt
#

You are in your right to be salty

#

But it will be bad for your soul

near garnet
#

Criticizing is different from just calling it bad, my man

azure estuary
#

I expected a villain being built up since Cata to at least get some kind of proper send off not an in game cutscene

near garnet
#

We go to where things go when they die, I'm pretty sure it's not the last of him we get

zealous basalt
#

Eh technically it had 2 so

#

And of the same kind of sargeras

near garnet
#

Remember when Sylvanas said he'd serve death as well? Yeah.

zealous basalt
#

Where is that thing now tho

near garnet
#

We go to where things go when they die

N'zoth just died

azure estuary
#

“They do not live. They do not die. They exist outside the cycle”

near garnet
#

Yeah, like nature things. That also go there but return

ivory meadow
#

someone needs to make a ResidentSleeper N'zoth based on his stun animation in the fight

azure estuary
#

Void is different

zealous basalt
#

Why was he stunned?

near garnet
#

They said that about so many other things too. Like the Val'kyr.

crimson jasper
#

l guess they really wanted US to beat him so we feel involved, that ofc meant no fancy cinematic and ye the cutscene could have been better but l am still happy about the way they try to take things

#

wow wtf phone

near garnet
#

Ye, man. At least we finally got to do something

crimson jasper
#

just loaded a bunch of conversations in, great l was timeshifted xD

near garnet
#

I'm pretty sure we'll see more of him. We can kill the old god all we want but we aren't removing his influence.

Plus, considering next expacs theme..

#

We might hear more about how they work

#

Hell, might even get to hear what the others are up to

ivory meadow
#

@zealous basalt Shattered Ego is one of the mechanics that stuns N'zoth during the fight

zealous basalt
#

Ohh

#

It's just a stun?

#

Or does it makes him receive more damage?

ivory meadow
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it allows you to damage him

limber mural
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stun. and transition

zealous basalt
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I honestly liked the

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Fight finishing like

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3% of hp and then boom

limber mural
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Pff. My mother's thoughts on the LotR reference are 'There are only so many ways to make bad stuff go foop'

bitter horizon
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well she isnt wrong haha

plain vigil
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wait so N'zoth was that tiny guy this entire time?

limber mural
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I believe it's 52sec into the cinematic

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Actually not quite right it's MOTHER's 'Acknowledged, firing sequence initiated'

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Wait yeah, EXACTLY as MOTHER finishes that line

ancient forge
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Fixed it

zealous basalt
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Someone just said of my friends

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"wtb metzen"

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And Im like

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"He did the same shit too did you forget"

indigo laurel
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If it's actually true that there are two "sides" of the team with one being more in charge of MoP and Legion and the other of WoD and BfA, I would probably be somewhat happy of a bit more of Team As work

tropic trail
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Why? I mean I like 8.3 but what the fuck is this?

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Not even a prelude?

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No void lord gazing from beyond. No tie in to SL?

nocturne needle
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daily quests

tropic trail
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Just "Azeroth is free!"

nocturne needle
tropic trail
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Cries in sad Lovecraftian noises

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Didn’t they say there is a hidden one if mythic tho

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Maybe it’s the real cinematic

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I’m not playing currently but I guess we’ll see with world first lul

foggy abyss
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So underwhelming

junior prairie
night swift
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oof

storm marsh
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What are the chances of Ion saying "I was lying! HAHA! There actually is a patch 8.3.5 with bunch of cool stuff that you guys won't be dissapointed about."?

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Also, MOTHER deserves an applause

zealous basalt
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Does she

storm marsh
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well. when you think about it, she's done a lot of useful stuff we couldn't do without her

terse patrol
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wow I really enjoyed watching the budget remake of Return of the King's ending.

zealous basalt
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did you now

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And yeah

dense plover
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It’s possible we get an 8.3.2 with a small questline and a cinematic

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But it does seem like they’ve just abandoned ship and decided that going all in on SLs is more important

zealous basalt
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I thought Mother would be just another side character but she has been usefil since we first met her

storm marsh
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hahaha imagine that. "Who said 8.3.2 isn't happening, I just said 8.3.5 isn't."

dense plover
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Which, if SLs is near legion in quality clearly means they need a longer patch cycle

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If it isn’t, then it means there are more serious internal issues

zealous basalt
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internal issues

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does that mean we riot

terse patrol
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Kek or cringe with Wrathion

zealous basalt
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Why kek or cringe

uncut vault
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uh

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PTR update?

zealous basalt
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"sike"

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how big

dense plover
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its... "empty"

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according to wow.tools

zealous basalt
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huh

dense plover
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it was like 400mb i think

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which is confusing

zealous basalt
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400 is empty?

dense plover
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exe update i guess?

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well, no file changes

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can be exe changes

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still weird tho

zealous basalt
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wow tools was bribed