to be honest I now believe the void lords are the original gods of the wow universe
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sullen dawn
and were banished out of reality by the titans
except elune who managed to stay in our realm
in greek mythology before the titans were the primordial gods. Khaos, Chronos, Nyx etc..
Nyx sounds just like Elune. Goddess of night, balance and cycles
The first of those gods was Khaos, sometimes referred to as 'Lord of the Void', he was created when cosmic forces clashed
cyan prairie
when mentioning the Greek Mythology
am i the only one who sees Aman'thul and Jailor as Zeus and Hades?
sullen dawn
definitely some parallels. wow mythology is not exactly the same as greek - rather it's a mix of loads of different myhos with their own spin. For example Zeus overthrew the titans but in wow, as you said, he's super similar to Aman'thul, who IS a titan
cyan prairie
tbh at that point
i wouldn't be surprised with some plot twist showing us that Titans aren't as good as we see them
safe light
It's kinda already confirmed that is the case with the fact that Chronicles speaks from the Titan's PoV, painting the titans in a more favorable light
Chronicles is like.. titan propaganda 😄
lyric heart
I did the story line again on a new copied alt and the quest to witness the SW/Org vision didn't give me credit and I were asked for a new vessel? What went wrong?
Also with the 40% sanity reduc (rank 6 I believe?) I still got tortured a lot in the -8 sanity zones. Regarding the zones, it was -5/-7/-9 in an older build, right? I felt so squishy 😦 (ele shaman 445 on ptr)
whole cedar
yeah its glitched this build, hopefully its fixed in this week's build
i reported it in any case
dense plover
^
always report
no
it was -7 and -9 in the side areas
oh yes I see what you mean
yes they increased it slightly
because at a certain point it became TOO easy
but generally the side zones are pretty difficult to solo
you benefit from a group
either a tank and 2 dps
or a full group of 5
3 dps, a tank, and a healer
ionic terrace
Do wonder if there will be an actual build this week
lyric heart
Yeah I've done many reports as well @dense plover xD such as the mogu warrior corpse offering me a quest where it seemed like he was giving me instructions while dead XD was kinda funny
dense plover
that corpse is supposed to be dead
youre talking about the one at the start of the intro to the vale right?
he talks to you
and then dies
and if you read the quest text, it isnt from him
its about what you saw
and him being dead
tribal sand
with the release of reforged at the 28t of january
do you still believe a 8.3 release in january?
dense plover
yes?
they literally said as much
early 2020
thats not february or march
and thats WAY too long
my guess is 2nd or 3rd week of january
with raid 1-2 weeks later
elder otter
Yep 😄
dense plover
vulpera have a skeleton now
like, when they die
servers are up
some im gonna check to see if they changed anything noticable
uh
maybe?
a bunch of my 430 items are now 460
that seems to be a bug
how high could the crit affix go before?
dense plover
ah the accountwide stuff
THATS why i got an armor set achieve
daily vision quest had their corrupting coin thingy increased from 8 to 20
range on worms finally seems lower
i still hope they just remove them
im gonna test the debuff to see if it got changes
ok, worm still has debuff but range on applying it is SEVERELY reduced
I consider this a win
somewhat
gouged eye of nzoth needs an achieve
well
that sucks ass
ph
everything does now
no changes to how many you need to level the archive tho
so now its a super grind
signal bone
lol just when 8.3 was starting to look decent
is that really all you can get on the vendor?
kind of lackluster
dense plover
thats all its been
but now its all locked
meanwhile, clearing just 1 boss - you get a cloak upgrade sometimes, a 420 item? no clue why the ilvl there sucks, and 100 corrupted momentos
maybe loot scales with number of bosses?
numbers seem all over the place still
novel zodiac
every time a new build goes up 8.3 sounds more shitty
dense plover
its not shitty
im nitpicking
because this patch is very good
but it could be fantastic
dense plover
Welcome to wow?
novel zodiac
i know
novel zodiac
but its a stupid kind of grind
dense plover
It’s almost entirely cosmetic
It’s the best kind of grind
It would be shitty if it locked story or good gear
It doesn’t
novel zodiac
isn't all story in BfA time locked?
dense plover
None of the new content looks good gear or anything behind rep
No?
There’s no timegating on this patch
Outside of the raid not dropping on the same day as the patch
uncut lintel
vulpera die in their own way now or somthin?
dense plover
No, their skeleton has a vulpera skeleton instead of reusing the goblin one
languid yoke
still no Panda/AR DK
uncut vault
there is timegating this patch, but so far its minor
some of the zone stories take a day or two to unlock
or arent active if the certain invasion isnt active, such as the chen and li li story
safe light
Can you learn the rank 4 memory of lucid dreams on a character that does not have rank 3 unlocked now that the achievement is account wide?
uncut vault
its basically the intro to the mogu invasion
you go with them to kun lai and scout out the massive armies
lyric heart
morning
tropic trail
Has anyone tried out arcane in 8.3 🤔 if so how is it?
tranquil steeple
if you're EU reading this ^
+1 the dates (22nd Jan, 29th Jan, 12th Feb, 26th Feb & 11th March)
dense plover
So 8.3.5 March 17th
round lake
sep/oct SL release
dense plover
At the latest
I suspect August still
Because from what we saw, bastion was way farther along than nazmir
lyric heart
Do you mean in terms of development of the zone?
uncut lintel
Cant wait to get my hands on those little foxes boiii
crimson jasper
@uncut lintel hoi, finally a release date, l am hype x3
uncut lintel
same, and i have enough time to get 6 more bars of rep
crimson jasper
ah good luck, you are close tho!
uncut lintel
ty
plain vigil
They updated the Mechagnome starter pet to the correct varient!!!
uncut vault
Nice, Im surprised they listened to something so small, but Im glad they did
plain vigil
As much as I would like to take credit for this I doubt it wasn't already planned...
random shadow
Are there new feasts coming in 8.3? Or we gonna be using the same ones as right now?
tribal sand
@tropic trail with the changes to the essences (especially worldvain) arcane could see a good push in burst dmg
but would be better to ask this on the mage discord Altered Time
but the fights favor fire or frost mage more because of the 2 Target Cleave/AoE
plain vigil
does anyone know if the Race crests are available for Mechagnomes and Vulpera?
dense plover
Mechagnomes use the mechagnome crest - the one on the island from the projectors
There is no official art yet tho
Like online
plain vigil
yeah I looked into it on PTR, it looks like their crest will have a physical version of that. focused on the cog
the cog is visible both in the con when clicking the recruitment hologram, as well as the center of their tabbard
dense plover
Hey, they removed cloak drops from M+ for S4, good job blizz
cyan prairie
seems like they read this discord's messages xD
good thing they did it, other cloaks are useless
dense plover
It was a major suggestion, and from the start most people, myself included, saw it as a possibility
light halo
i tried searching for mini vision shrine locations but didnt see anything (i didnt even know that was a thing on ptr until preaches vid), anyone have info on the location or how to start them?
dense plover
They’re marked on the map
They look like an angular arch
They’re only in the Nzoth zone
During the Nzoth assault
light halo
im guessing i may have accidentally done it already then?
light halo
oh mb, i still dont see any form of mark for them (again i could have accidentally done them and just not realized it)
dense plover
You probably have t done the story there
Go to the chamber of the heart
Continue the story
light halo
alrighty, ty
ionic terrace
Rofl, if you take too long to reroute power to the elevator in the first HoO scenario...
dense plover
Yeah I had that happen - thought they just didn’t let you, but 2nd time through I did it correctly and it worked
So it’s 100% a - you don’t understand the puzzle and we don’t want you to waste time here
ionic terrace
At least the cutscene is in
dense plover
I think it was in before
The one with magni getting mad?
Or do you mean at the end of the scenario?
ionic terrace
yea
ancient jasper
Hm.. Do we think the Elf eyes are done or still more work to be done on them?
uncut vault
probably done, sadly. Nelf men in particular are really underpar compared to the other elves
ancient jasper
That would suck considering how good the DK eyes look
noble patrol
Omg i'm so excited for vale of eternal blossoms void theme
plain vigil
What do you mean by under par? @uncut vault
night swift
Nelf males ugly
limber mural
nelf males could've been nicer if their shoulders weren't improbably broad
lookin like sims
random shadow
I wouldn't be too disappointed. There are new customizations coming in Shadowlands
plain vigil
I mean I've always hated Nelf males, but their eyes didn't get any less treatment then the rest, and as I was going to say before star beat me to it, they're only updating the tech so they have a smooth transition when they add all the new customization options....
uncut vault
Their eyes definitely did, they are permanently cross eyed now
plain vigil
They only removed the eye glow. The eyes underneath were already like that
uncut vault
No, they were not, the eyes got new textures in a separate build
plain vigil
Did they? I don't recall that change
As far as I was aware they just added a mask on the old eye textures to remove the shadow from them
No new textures were added going by this image unless the nelf eyes have an even newer eye texture
But I definitely see what you're saying and there is most certainly room for improvement
When Beta drops I'd recommend making a forum post
uncut vault
those are not the final changes
for any of the three
that was first build
all of them got notable new textures, and most are much more detailed, like this
but nelf men in particular got eyes that are not only very blurry, but cross eyed
forsaken have the same issue
plain vigil
Again I don't see any new textures here bar the deathknight. The prcious image I posted didn't have the proper mask applied yet, just a removal of eye glow. It appears the Belf eyes had a colored tint over them as the previous lighting was addative rather than the current subtractive.
uncut vault
they are objectively new textures. you can think they arent, but they are.
plain vigil
No factually they aren't new textures. You can see clearly where the eye shadows match on every set of eyes (except deathknights) the only reason it looks different is because there's an image mask making the Iris & Pupil of the eyes brighter than the whites of the eyes as the mask is removing the layer of shadow over the eyes. If you were to take a Nelf and go to the brightest area of wow, I strongly doubt it would look more than minutely different from the eyes I posted above.
uncut vault
I'd love to see the time before 8.3 when night elf women had shifting eye colors that changed texture based on light
plain vigil
Texture =/= mask. It's a Texture with a mask over it. While yes the texture is outdated and needs to be improved on in Shadowlands, by definition there is no new Texture in 8.3, only the mask, which reiterates the current speculation that they're waiting to update eye textures for when eyes are a seperate file from the face in 9.0 or 9.0 prepatch. Which is why the best thing you can do is wait for beta and make a forum post about it
plain vigil
The eye colors aren't shifting, it's the color of the shadow layered on top.
uncut vault
so, the color
plain vigil
That's like saying they updated skin textures because skin color looks different from Tenaris to Northrend
uncut vault
if skin hadnt done that in previous patches, yes, that would be an update
please show where eyes have changed at this variable in live wow, or any previous patches
plain vigil
I honestly think you just don't understand how the tech works here man
The physical texture file that was painted by an artist wasn't changed at all.
They just put a black and white image on top of the eyes to the engine renders the lighting. White is subtractive shadow, black is addative shadow. Meaning the shadow is made "invisible" over the white parts of the image.
It works in a similar way to how layers work in Photoshop
Notice the image doesn't change, only the mask.
In order to update eye textures Currently they have to change every single facial texture. It makes sense for them to wait until shadowlands to update those textures as eyes will run off a seperate file. And if they decided not to modify the pre-existing eye textures I implore you to make a suggestion on the forums when Beta drops
uncut vault
you... do know that these changes are for shadowlands? right? that change is what theyre doing right now
plain vigil
What they've implemented in 8.3 is a code change to allow image masks... This is not the final product for 9.0 the only reason we got this change now is so they didn't add eye glow to allied races only to remove them a few months later...
They pushed the mechanical work through the pipeline to increase efficiency of dev time. They have not set up the eye color change system in 8.3
plain vigil
Well I was wrong about the texture update then
Mind checking the nelf ones?
As that was the topic of debate
uncut vault
men:
women:
if anything, the problem with men might be that they didnt change the texture, and just added a badly placed glow
plain vigil
It looks to me like the glow was there, keep in mind it is using a mask, they just did a texture upgrade and called it quits. I mean hell if they just did a texture/mask swap of the right and left it may look normal
zinc sandal
I just wish male nelves didn't squint
That and give the beardless option eyebrows ffs
plain vigil
Night elves have that nice Native bone structure. I don't think they're squinting they just have more almond eyes
night swift
They have pretty bad squints, its way more noticeable with the night warrior eyes
uncut vault
the faces are the same
limber mural
huh
plain vigil
You may be using a lower graphics setting @limber mural
@night swift again, Native men tend to have more almond shaped eyes and a strong brow
jade basalt
It's got nothing to do with what the shape of their eyes may or may not be inspired by. It's just that they literally look like they are squinting. Mainly because of their new brow ridge.
night swift
And again, the night warrior eyes for males are squinting too so you can’t see them very well
On live at least
plain vigil
The brow ridge is another aspect of Native males
zinc sandal
But that guy doesn't look like he's squinting
Male nelves do
Whether they took inspiration from Native men or not, at least they could've done them justice
night swift
^ I get the inspiration, but I just want male Nelfs to have better faces
zinc sandal
I think it could be as simple as fixing the undereye. It looks like they're making an effort to squint because of the way the undereye looks.
plain vigil
It may also be that Nelfs don't have puplils
Making the pupils smaller and centering them may fix the issue
uncut vault
It’s because their faces were made for the eye glows
Their eye socket was built around having the orb look like the actual eye
plain vigil
Good point
upper remnant
It's easy, the old glow covered the lower eyelid
Now the new glow don't so they squint
tropic trail
is it true 😮
we get new horde allie
with exalted with Vol'Dun
and story line completed?
what is release date?
mighty wolf
Jan 14th
tropic trail
im exalted with that in 14 days so i be ready 🙂
uncut lintel
im 1 bar away on their rep
dense plover
meanwhile I still need to run Mechagon
ionic terrace
O-oh no
dense plover
you need to complete the quest operation mechagon
if you have time, im gonna be running it blind
dense plover
im a decent tank
ionic terrace
I don't remember seeing that as a req though
ionic terrace
I'm checking on PTR rn
uncut lintel
it says its required
dense plover
its rrequired for the achievement
uncut lintel
RIP
ionic terrace
Ah right
dense plover
its heroic-able in 8.3
uncut lintel
ah
dense plover
but i dont know if it will count
vivid moat
You get two different currencies in visions right?
dense plover
it might still require mythic
uncut lintel
it shou;d
dense plover
no
visions give 1 currency
the coins
you need coalescing visions to do horrific
vivid moat
The corrupted mementos right
dense plover
yes
vivid moat
So I heard you need 125k to upgrade cloak fully
dense plover
cloak doesnt use those to upgrade
that doesnt even make sense
you get the cores from the horrific visions
and im pretty sure if you beat multiple bosses you can get multiple cores
dense plover
thats wrong
ionic terrace
You're horde right peach
ionic terrace
ok cause only my druid can get the quest lol
dense plover
but firstly, you can run 3 a week, so even assuming 1 core per vision
thats 3 per week
ionic terrace
But I think i'll just wait tbh
dense plover
you need 15 upgrades I think
so its like 5 weeks
maybe 6 or 7 if you dont ace every run
vivid moat
So you get corrupted mementos which are for sockets and mount, and cores which are for upgrades?
dense plover
no
corrupted momentos are used for everything
you need to upgrade your cloak with the momentos
that probably does take 125k
uncut lintel
the only thing i want is an alpaca mount
vivid moat
ahh okay
dense plover
but you get, at the lowest 100 from a horrific vision
i think you get 100 per boss
and then it increases if you use masks too
dense plover
so thats like 500 per vision
assuming you kill all the bosses
and then masks i think multiply it
so thats 1500 per week multiplied by something per mask
vivid moat
this guy in the forum post said when he tested with full upgrades he got 3500. that was back in october he posted though
uncut lintel
im not grinding ithat
dense plover
yeah they made major changes since then
uncut lintel
ill just be a noob with the first cloak
vivid moat
I see, I think my best bet is to test this on PTR myself to get a more intimate understanding
dense plover
essentially bevv, i think that you should be able to get around 10-15k per week with masks and a full party
so thats around 10 weeks to cap
but im pretty sure im lowballing
and i suspect that the raid will drop corrupted momentos
same with teeming M+
and teeming islands once they release in 8.3.5 (probably)
vivid moat
Just to clarify something, sockets are 25k right?
dense plover
yes
vivid moat
and do they add corruption?
dense plover
but you have to fully unlock all of the research first
and no
they just add a socket
thats it
vivid moat
okay that was my follow up question, at least we dont have to make the decision to buy sockets early for mythic progress xd
thats good
tropic trail
im confused
so what new allies we get when new expansion comes out dec 2020
i mean we got panda allies death knight and vol'dun allies
is that all?
we dont get any new allies with the new xpac
so we just get vol'dun and death knight panda?
that is all
jan 14 2020
vol dun?
we only get the current allied races to be playable as death knights
so no new allied races at all
which one will be worth level 120 max on?
panda death knights is not a new allied race
panda death knight?
which one will be top rank in dps?
panda death knight
?
well, if you want to be TOP dps, like BIG ASS DPS , you better dont play any furry races
no pandas, worgens, vulperas or anything else
trust me
then what
what is currently top dps right now that rank #1 ?
night swift
And every allied race, including the new ones and pandas, will have death knights unlocked for them
tropic trail
gnomes are to small to be OP and furrys cant be biologically OP
so what are top dps?
mage?
warlock?
I thought we are talking about races?
night swift
Why do you care?
night swift
Its probably gonna change dude
tropic trail
what will be top dps when shadow come sout in dec 2020?
i want invest in the right toon
night swift
Classes are getting changes and new set of stats on gear items are coming
tropic trail
ok jokes beside, if you care about top DPS you have to wait for the release build
because numbers can still change
night swift
^
night swift
Yes
night swift
What do you mean
tropic trail
then i know top dps 😮
in game
well then wait until the pro raid guilds are doing mythic raids
then you can see whos the TOP tier dps
night swift
Just cause something is “top dps” doesnt mean it’ll carry you
tropic trail
i liked to be carried 😦
zealous basalt
Any class can be top dps when you want to be top dps on whatever content (minus mythic)
night swift
^
storm marsh
guys, will reputation be easier in 8.3? Specificly asking about bfa factions - excluding the new 8.3 ones
i mean will there be any commendations (acc-wide)
night swift
Doesn’t look like ot
dense plover
^
oh, there are some accountwide achieves
like for war campaign and uh
some AR prereqs
but otherwise no
those changes usually come either with 8.3.5 or prepatch
storm marsh
I'm also confused about something. Weren't there supposed to be undead skins for AR DKs?
tropic trail
I hope so
night swift
Arent they still encrypted
plain vigil
I'm pretty sure they said no undead skins for DK AR
Atleast for now
They're alledgidly focusing on core race customization
limber mural
I'm just hoping Lightforged get whatever customisation bonuses Draenei get, long tails especially
night swift
Technically ar dks are a SL feature cause you need SL to make them
pulsar iris
another way to understand what i said is: it is DK ARs are being developed to launch in 8.3, while core race customizations are being developed to launch in 9.0. they saying no customization for ARs not intended for now doesnt mean no customization for AR DKs
storm marsh
I am pretty sure its said that AR DKs will recieve new dk skins in an interview. I hope they are encrypted
plain vigil
They're developed at the same time. The skins that were datamined were just normal AR with DK starter gear.
storm marsh
Not talking about that datamined npc textrues
plain vigil
Right but that was the spawn of this idea that they'd be getting new skins, and it spiraled from there
plain vigil
I mean yeah but the original conversation spark a month or so ago was someone saying "they datamined DK skins" and people taking that as undead dk skins
dense plover
also no
because those werent encrypted
but even then, there dont seem to be enough encrypted skins to imply there are new skins for AR DKs
plain vigil
They were still viewable. They were just default AR skins with DK armor textures on top
dense plover
yes, but the whole encrypted skin theory didnt stem from that
they werent encrypted
thats where the AR DK concept came from
and then we got the SL reveal
youre getting your info mixed up
tulip sun
ancient jasper
Agreed it would feel strange if AR's didn't get Undead skins
dense plover
well, dont get your hopes up
night swift
Plot wise, who knows how long passed between the end of the fourth war and the resurrection of the new dks
The corpses could still be fresh
dense plover
^
skins could also come with patch or at a later date
since you can change skins at the barber now
dense plover
if they happen
novel zodiac
guys, there's a way to know how much rep i have when i already reached the 10k for the paragon crate?
night swift
Does it not tell you when you hover over the bar?
cyan prairie
u need to set it as "show as experience bar"
upbeat cairn
dense plover
Well, he doesn’t stay in the vale for much time
dense plover
assaults give AP now
dense plover
You can enter SoO?
ionic terrace
Yes
dense plover
Here’s hoping it still works during the nzoth invasion
And hopefully they add a portal after the final nzoth assault boss there
They really need to
ionic terrace
They also moved the meeting stone
dense plover
makes sense
tribal sand
i've already seen these 2 affixes in a stormwind vision before @dense plover
cyan prairie
any idea why the S4 PvP mounts are another reskins of PvP mounts we already got in BfA?
like
i understand that S1 was Clefthoof for Orc themes, S2 was a Skeletal Horse for Undead themes, S3 was a Basilisk for water themes(?) but why is S4 mount again a Skeletal Horse?
hasty tendon
Same reason we haven't had unique PvP gear since Warlords Season 1, I suppose.
PvP cosmetics aren't a priority. They're just a nice little thing to tack on.
cyan prairie
yeah, but so far we got PvP stuff themed after something important in that patch
in BfA
would that mean that we're actually going to get some more story for Undead or an AR?
if not, then why wouldn't they give us PvP mount themed after Vulpera?
hasty tendon
I wouldn't call the Forsaken important in 8.3 based on what I know, though.
Neither are Clefthoofs or Hippos in any regard.
cyan prairie
the Clefthoof was related to Orc stuff from 8.0 (Mag'har AR and the Arathi warfront)
8.1 gave us Darkshore Warfront and Forsaken-themed transmogs and PvP mount
8.2 didn't give us any Warfront, so they changed it to raid - PvP sets are recolors of raid armor, and mount is a basilisk (because it lives in water or whatever)
if they did the same for 8.3, they would make the PvP mount some void-thing, to fit the raid theme
but for whatever reason they chose to make another recolor of Undead Horse
also, is this PvP mount even available?
hasty tendon
Seems to me, based on the source description, that it is the season 4 mount.
And I get that the Clefthoof is related to the Mag'har, but that doesn't explain the random Alliance Hippo.
Other than how Hippos are a creature in Zandalar.
Both aren't really important to the story overall.
Would have made more sense if the Alliance mount from S1 was a core hound or some kind of Dark Iron contraption.
cyan prairie
actually
there is a PvP mount themed on Dark Iron Dwarves
but just like this Hyena here, it's not available
novel zodiac
omfg
i would totally play alliance and do pvp (the both things i hate more) just to touch that mount
cyan prairie
my theory is
that this mount was actually meant to be added in 8.0
instead of that hippo
hasty tendon
Yeah, that would make a lot of sense.
cyan prairie
but then they would need to make warfront themed on Dark Iron Dwarves
instead of humans
hasty tendon
I love the Hippo
But this knowledge makes me despise it just a little bit.
hasty tendon
Maybe it was also that they didn't want to give the Dark Iron so much special treatment compared to other ARs.
The Clefthoof could reasonably be regular orcs, after all.
cyan prairie
nah, it has the same color pattern as Mag'har heritage armor (a bit darker red than the PvP set)
hasty tendon
Well, I have no clue then.
Shame.
cyan prairie
DI Dwarves are the only race that doesn't feel like trash in alliance to me
i could even play one
but they lack mogs that fit them
this shield is one of the few items that fit
hasty tendon
I think my profile picture speaks for itself, regarding how I feel about Dark Iron, but other than that, I dislike Alliance races as well
plain vigil
@cyan prairie any firey+ grey + purple set fits dark iron. Literally all of the cata gear fits them perfectly.
I feel like people's perspective on Alliance races will change in 9.0
Wildhammer apperances look Savage af
If you notice the blonde, they're also the first race to get true dreadlocks
bleak bolt
they look soooo cool ❤️
love the Wildhammer Dwarves and I'm glad that soon we'll be able to play them as well
plain vigil
And then you have the fact that humans are getting at least 5+ different ethnicities which is great for player representation
African, Asian, middle eastern, European, etc.
I can only imagine how the other races will look. Especially night elves. The alliance is about to get a lot more Savage.
cyan prairie
i can't wait for normal Orc customization options
zealous basalt
What can they have
cyan prairie
these weird fang-piercings
like Garrosh and Grom had
this
maybe some tattoos or war-paint
noserings, some necklaces
zealous basalt
Ohh of course
cyan prairie
bigger tusks would be interesting, but only Fel Orcs had bigger tusks if i remember correctly
i'd like bigger tusks for Trolls
like Zul had
uncut lintel
i want those tusks
cyan prairie
Art team: So how big do you want Zul's tusks to be?
Blizzard: Yes
uncut lintel
need to be longer
cyan prairie
to the ground
uncut lintel
^
cyan prairie
like an elephant xD
uncut lintel
xD
bleak bolt
So epic! Love my Horde characters and my Alliance twinks as well and they're just going to get more epic. 💚
At least that's what I hope...
proper sparrow
Its innaccurate to say the humans will have asian/african/middle eastern etc customization options sincr azeroth doesnt have asia africa or the middle east
uncut vault
thats still what theyre getting, because that is what the look comes from in real life
night swift
More options for players who want their character to look like them
dense plover
^
having representation of yourself and people who look like you is a big deal
also variety is the spice of life
nothing wrong with more choices as long as they dont ignore lore to make them
and if its a soft retcon thats probably fine too
zealous basalt
Probably they would say that there have been facial variations and skin colors on humans over time
night swift
Part of me thinks belves are gonna get more eye colors
Inevitable blue eyes but not confirming them as high elves
zealous basalt
...
Green eyes
but not the iris
I mean, red eyes
those are high elves
freaking thistleheads
plain vigil
They're already confirmed by ion to be high elfs
zealous basalt
Link or fake
unless you mean that he said that there aren't big differences between high and blood
which was a way to say that high elves weren't good enough to be their own race
plain vigil
And as for different human ethnicities. Not only did Asian and African exist in wow since vanilla, there's multiple human societies that could easily be soft retconned in visual ethnicity
The difference between sin'dorei and the quel'dorei is just a political ideology. They're both high elfs
zealous basalt
Not just that
night swift
Lorewise yes they are high elves
zealous basalt
There is an important thing that makes them different
And that was the magic source
Just that
plain vigil
There you go makore
"
So, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf...that is a Blood Elf.
Giving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn't a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There's a couple...we just met Alleria again...but they're not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there's a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.
That said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves...you're an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race." -ion Hazacostis
night swift
You know I was just about to ask the differences between highborne and high elves, but the article explained it lol
plain vigil
Lmao
zealous basalt
Yeah
I recalled that article
That was like a christmas gift for me
since I messed up some friends with it xD
plain vigil
With eye color coming in shadowlands not adding blue is highly unlikely.
Soon you will be able to play a blue eyed blood elf
And you can still do with the humans through communities and elixer of tounges
plain vigil
Halflings are gnomes
tranquil steeple
I know I said I was going to bed after linking a short HL meme in #no-wow-discussion, but now you made me have to drop a reaction, Pad
found it
novel zodiac
as soon as i found out about mechagnomes i created a character named "mechagnomed", so i could meme with it
uncut lintel
hehehehe
night swift
I have an alt named Tails for avulpera
night swift
Right?
If tinkers were a thing too I’d be set
Guess I could do a hunter with robo pets
novel zodiac
i tried to grab "Ratchet" but it was used 😦
uncut lintel
i tried using that name bfore and it said it was foul language
novel zodiac
oh, meaby because there's a "Ratchet" in wow already?
dense plover
yes
you cant use names of certain major npcs
or of major locations
theres a filter
night swift
Isn’t ratchet the name of a place in mechagon?
novel zodiac
Ratchet is the goblin city in the barrens
night swift
Oh duh
plain vigil
I managed to get clank somehow
Oh and I'mma make a DK named Dalek
I'm really hoping we get dwarf and Gnome themed PVP sets next Xpac.
There's a few great sets that could be updated for dwarves, and then of course there's not a lot of retro-futurism/googie armor in wow. And almost none of high quality.
It's kind of funny to me how Gnomes have googie armor and steampunk weapons while Mechagnomes have steampunk armor and googie weapons
Hyped for this patch as I'm making a Mechagnome hunter and I can't wait to use the googie Heratage srt
cyan prairie
you won't get any gnome and dwarf sets in next expansion
since there will be no focus on any playable race, but on the new factions we meet
and with faction sets already being a thing we can be sure, that pvp/elite pvp sets are going to be (again) just raid sets recolors
plain vigil
Not neccisarily. And while it's not the most likely outcome, don't speak in absolutes here bruv. You don't work for blizzard. As we've seen the past two PvP sets had been based on a faction specific race. Including future racial guard armor for pvp just makes sense. Especially if Blizzard plan on doing a world revamp, as you can't be having guards running around in Vanilla armor. The only reason I meantion gnomes specifically is because of the style of their gear being super unique from any other armor in game. On your point about no focus on playble races? You're completely wrong. They're revamping each core race in a way that will "transform the image of each race forever" Trolls are getting multiple tribes added. Humans are getting what can only assume to be ethnicities for each of the human kingdoms. Dwarves are getting full fledged Wildhammer customization. There will be story to explain these changes. Especially the big ones. So the idea that there's no focus on any playable race is just plain false.
cyan prairie
Character customization =/= focus on race
I doubt there'll be any explanation for these racial customization options, since it's just a visual addition
just like transmogs - do they need a lore explanation?
or new Orc posture in BfA - did it need lore explanation?
also the guards you mentioned - they can just put them in Heritage armors and it's done
and - all races that received Heritage armors didn't get any PvP sets
plain vigil
Sand trolls joining the darkspear clan? Yes that 110% needs lore explanation
cyan prairie
Ok lore explanation - Zandalari joined the Horde and with that united all the Tribes
done
plain vigil
They can't use Heratage set for every racial guard. The dwarven armor for example is specific to dwarven royalty. Not common guard armor. Not all of the armor sets are like blood elf's.
cyan prairie
Blood Elven guards use the worse version of Belf Heritage armor...
They can do the same for literally every other guard
plain vigil
Right but it's not that simple. We already have confirmation that night elf's and trolls will be getting specific important storylines in Shadowlands via Bwomsamdi and Elune for example
cyan prairie
They will play a role in Ardenweald which has their own races
plain vigil
Again, not all Heratage sets are like blood elf's
Also the blood elf set isn't just guard armor, it's the elite armor used by spell breakers.
cyan prairie
Nightborne Guards also wear Heritage Armor
Dark Iron Dwarf guards also wear Heritage Armor
there's a certain scheme in BfA
plain vigil
AR Heratage armor isn't the same as core race Heratage. They don't have much lore or questlines besides "here's armor" you're comparing peas to carrots
Also most AR don't have a city to protect, and the ones that do already have new gaurd armor from questing and such
cyan prairie
Orc - No HA, Has PvP/WF Armor
Tauren - Has HA, No PvP/WF Armor
Goblin - Has HA, No PvP/WF Armor
Undead - No HA, Has PvP/WF Armor
if a race has a HA - it doesn't have a PvP armor
plain vigil
That pattern is arbitrary, every race is getting Heratage sets
plain vigil
Some races they're saving for a major lore plot. Night elf's for example are most likely waiting for the Elune questline in Ardenweald
cyan prairie
since they are the only race that didn't get any of these 2
Night Elves already have their own themed armors
plain vigil
I bet you trolls won't get their Heratage until after shadowlands starts as well.
cyan prairie
they are from Darkshore Warfront
plain vigil
Again that's not the same as Heratage armor
cyan prairie
you don't understand it, right?
plain vigil
And Blizzard already confirmed every race will be getting Heratage armor
cyan prairie
where did they confirm it?
plain vigil
Military armor =/= Heratage armor. Warfront armor is Military armor.
I'll find the link. But the Tl;Dr is they already talked about Nelf Heratage which pokes a hole in your theory, and when they maid the initial announcement they said every core race would get a set over time
cyan prairie
i don't remember them saying that, but what do you think their HA could be?
their Warfront armor already covered all 4 armor types
same goes for every other race that got PvP/Warfront sets
and with that, the next race to get their Heritage Armor would be Trolls
if it's true that "all races will get Heritage armors" then following the scheme they used for BfA, the next race to receive HA would be Troll and draenei
and it should happen in BfA - probably in 8.3.5
plain vigil
I can't find the link because it was and old blizzcon comment in a live stream. But basically someone asked about the night elf tmog set (different from the Warfront gear) and asked if that is the Heratage armor for nelfs, to which a Dev either said that they had different plans for Nelf Heratage armor, or that the Nelf Heratage armor would have more parts, implying different armor from the Warfront AND cosmetic sets.
Imo the next race to receive Heratage armor will be Pandaren, hopefully one for each Faction, as we return to Pandaria in 8.3 and deal with the aftermath of the Vale.
Other possibility would be Dreanai and undead, as I suspect they're waiting to finish off bwomsamdi before they give the darkspear their Heratage set
They've had a history of giving Heratage armor when it makes sense in the story. The dwarves got it because Magni was relevant at the time. The Belfs got it because of the sunwell shenanigans with alleria. The Tauren got it because of the warcampaign and the Tauren leader's role in that at the time. Gnomes got it because of the fall of mechatorque. Goblins get it in 8.3 because of the model update and to close off the goblin storyline with Gallywix, and Worgen get it in 8.3 because model update and maybe hinting at a way to overcome N'zoth's ability to make people lose control.
So pandaren getting it after healing the Vale makes sense
The big issue is idk how they're going to go about the Dreanai unless they have content for them in Shadowlands relating to auchindoun or something.
cyan prairie
Undead won't receive a heritage armor since they got warfront armor in BfA already
Draenei (just like most of the alliance) are completely meaningless in BfA
so they would need to force their Heritage Armors somehow
Trolls can get their Heritage Armor with the ending of Vol'jin's campaign
distant folio
They've had a history of giving Heratage armor when it makes sense in the story.
This is completely incorrect. In fact almost none of the core races' heritage questlines tie into BFA's story at all. The blood elf questline is just them remembering their past. The dwarves reforge an ancient king's armor. Tauren fight off some ghosts in Thunder Bluff (which could foreshadow Shadowlands). Gnomes deal with Gnomeregan and Sparkspanner. Absolutely nothing to do with any plot from BFA's story at all. They could've released them in any order and nothing would change.
You're also wrong about night elf heritage armor, they said "IF" night elves get heritage armor, then it would be different from the NPC Darkshore armor. But they most likely won't get heritage armor because they already got warfront armor. They're giving all races either warfront armor or heritage armor, but they can't possibly do both, especially with just 1 patch left. If we're lucky, trolls and draenei (or pandaren) will get heritage armor in 8.3.5, but that's it, and then all races will have had either heritage armor or warfront armor, which is "fair".
plain vigil
I literally explained how they connected them to current content by relevance, don't be daft
They never said "If" Warfront armor is not Heratage armor.
Heratage armor doesn't have to only come in BFA. Nor does the PvP military gear. It's not about fairness here.
distant folio
The connections you tried to establish are non-existent. "Dwarves got it because Magni was relevant at that time" is utter bullshit because Magni has been relevant almost every patch for the past 2 years - so it had absolutely nothing to do with Magni himself, they could've released the dwarf armor literally anytime during BFA. Worgen have absolutely nothing to do with N'Zoth at all. Literally everything that you said was incorrect or false.
And nobody said "warfront armor is heritage armor", you made that up. I said that each races gets either warfront armor or heritage armor, Blizzard can't do both sets for every race, they're doing just 1 of the two. It's 100% about fairness, they can't give a race both warfront sets and heritage set, while leaving another race with nothing. Every race has so far has been given either warfront sets or heritage set, never both. Only races left without racial armor (aka warfront armor or heritage armor) are pandaren, trolls, and draenei.
And the "PvP military gear" is actually just a recolor of the Warfront armor sets buddy, which they are no longer going to make after they're done with warfronts.
plain vigil
I didn't make up shit lmfao I never said Warfront armor was Heratage armor, I was arguing against that this entire time. Stop making a fool out of yourself. Warfront sets are PvP season armor. There's no reason to stop making those armor sets on shadowlands. Also I'm a bit confused because this conversation was with @cyan prairie a lot of the points you're claiming to have made you didn't make, he did. You forget to swap back accounts or something?
And yeah the Worgen one was a stretch, but both Visions of N'zoth and the Worgen Heratage quest are about keeping control of yourself and not losing your sanity
cyan prairie
They stopped making Warfront sets already in 8.2 because they realised it's a bad thing
just like Island Expeditions
plain vigil
That's a very personal opinion. That shit isn't fact man
I love both Warfronts and islands
cyan prairie
that's your opinion, not a fact
and the fact is that IEs aren't a content people liked, same with warfronts
that's why they stopped making new warfronts
is my personal opinion the reason why Blizz stopped making them? i don't think so
plain vigil
Noone likes everything, I know people who avoid PvP like the plague. Doesn't mean the content was unsuccessful. Most of the time the most vocal are the minority on a subject.
Blizzard stopped making them because they were a feature specific to BFA
cyan prairie
so they should remove PvP from game then?
plain vigil
No I never said that
cyan prairie
if it's a feature made for BfA, then they shouldn't stop making them in the middle of an expansion
plain vigil
I don't think you read what I said very well
Unless they originally planned to only release the two....
cyan prairie
There was some map for Barrens datamined
and i think for Silvermoon
but they scrapped that idea
plain vigil
Yeah [the barrens Warfront] was their prototype from like beta they already talked about it. As for the silvermoon one I'm pretty sure it was a fake leak. Anything Actually datamined was for the heritage quest
cyan prairie
so the scheme just got confirmed - PvP sets and Warfront sets were race-themed for 2 patches, but then the idea of other warfronts got completely scrapped, meaning that they are going to focus on raid sets from now
S3 and S4 pvp sets are raid recolors
worn crown
Hello, I'm one of these folks who was utterly bored by expeditions and warfronts.
novel zodiac
raid sets in bfa are total shit
plain vigil
True
novel zodiac
there's a couple of good matches
plain vigil
Aquatic sets in general tend to be underwhelming
novel zodiac
but they don't look good in all the classes
plain vigil
I loved the first two raid tier sets tho
novel zodiac
yeah, its good to be a frost mage and walk around all goldy or with death bones
ancient jasper
Heritage sets are about more than just the set you receive. It's about the Lore you gain during your quest to unlock it.
plain vigil
^^^^^ X10000
ivory meadow
as far as I'm aware, the Heritage armor sets quests are completely disconnected from the main storyline since we never see any direct impacts of them happening and if any connections between any elements of the main story and the quests are made, it's most likely just convenient themes that ended up aligning or just convenience as a whole that it happened just right after something happened with that race.
plain vigil
They aren't connected in the way people think, just characters are connected through it. For example you free the Tauren leader, and then get the Heratage quest after that
ivory meadow
@plain vigil problem with that, is that there is no mention of the questline happening after the jailbreak, Baine does not mention it at all, which if you were trying to connect the storyline and factor in the jailbreak, which is a major event in the story, you would for the sake of continuity.
distant folio
@plain vigil
"I was arguing against that this entire time. "
Except, if you had read correctly, nobody had said that at all. So you were arguing against something that you made up iin your head.
Warfront sets are PvP season armor. There's no reason to stop making those armor sets on shadowlands.
No LMAO. PvP armor is Warfront armor. They make Warfront armor sets, and then give one of the recolors for PvP. But with no more warfronts, there isn't going to be Warfront sets anymore, and thus no Warfront recolor for PvP sets. PvP sets will be something else than a Warfront set recolor. So you're wrong, that's the reason. You're not going to get Warfront set recolors for PvP in Shadowlands because there won't be anymore Warfronts. PvP sets will go back to being Raid set recolors probably.
And yeah heritage storylines are NOT connected to the BFA story at all, fully agreed with @ivory meadow. They don't affect the story in any way at all.
plain vigil
The jailbreak questline Is literally a requirement to do the Heratage quest for Tauren
distant folio
But it is not connected to the story in any way dude. That's a gameplay requirement. Which they are entirely free to have or not have.
plain vigil
But I love the massive pessimism. No need to be a dick about things. I'm staying hopeful for dwarven guard armor. Enjoy your dreadful existence
distant folio
It wouldn't change anything at all if that requirement didn't exist. The story is not impacted in any way.
It's not pessimism, it's called logic. You're not going to get Warfront armor if they stop doing Warfronts, omg.
distant folio
They are not tied to anything at all. With or without the requirement, the story can still happen, the exact same way.
Almost everything in the game has a requirement, so your point is moot. It's even more moot because some heritage questlines have 0 requirement.
ivory meadow
again, because none of the main story is mentioned in it regardless of the jailbreak, that is why it is completely disconnected from the main story.
plain vigil
Lmao okay bud keep ignoring any of the evidence. Hope something comes along and makes your life happier, cause you're acting miserable now Star
distant folio
There is literally no evidence at all. Everything you've said so far was either made-up or incorrect.
The evidence is overwhelming: no race has gotten both warfront armor and heritage armor. It's either one or the other. Also just simple logic from having a brain: no warfronts, means no warfront sets. You're not going to get warfront sets if they stop making warfronts, I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.
ivory meadow
tl;dr: Heritage armor quests are self-contained stories that are not a result of the main story events nor vice versa.
plain vigil
They can be self contained stories and still be a result or loose tie to a main story event.
It's better storytelling to bring something up when it's relevant. Such as the Tauren questline
ivory meadow
a loose tie is still a connection meaning that there is a detail that can be spotted that says this may have happened after or before this thing happened
plain vigil
Which the Tauren quest does have. It has a story requirement placing it after you free baine
ivory meadow
that's just like unlocking the Lingering Will in KH2 after progressing through the game.
or unlocking the Mysterious Figure in BBS after completing the main game
the relevance? neither are tied to the main story in order to unlock it.
nor do they have relevance in it.
night swift
Comparing Kingdom hearts story to WoW 🤔
night swift
I get that but, KH is kind of a fucking mess too
ivory meadow
the point is, is that just like these two the questline is just a gameplay requirement.
plain vigil
Except the main character baine is reconnecting with his ancestry. It could be surmised that the attack was given by Sylvanas directly after baine says "she will come for mulgore" which would actually tie it direct to the war campaign. This of course taking into consideration the later knowledge that Sylvanas is working with the jailer, and wraiths coming from the maw.
tranquil steeple
or the only reason the jailbreak was a requirement was because it would make no sense to unlock the Tauren Heritage Armor (with Baine there) while he's locked away
plain vigil
Regardless my point is that blizzard tends to give the Heratage quests when something recently has happened with that race. So pandaren being next isn't a huge stretch here
That's also a fair point Sela
ivory meadow
technically it does.
because in an alt character
if you haven't progressed through War campaign you still have the quest to get heritage armor if you leveled 1-120
you are not required to play through 8.2 in order to get the questline on an alt character.
plain vigil
^
dense plover
like, alts literally have all sorts of shortcuts for gameplay purposes
plain vigil
Couldn't have said it better myself
dense plover
game over story on that front
because playing through the same scenario 20 times would suck
night swift
^
ivory meadow
even so, my argument still stands the questline doesn't connect with any of the main story, i'm just writing it off as a disconnect.
that's my stand on it.
they don't do anything to say it happened before or after the jailbreak happened.
dense plover
uh, theres literally void stuff
it literally is tied to nzoth being on the rise
idk how youre that blind
night swift
Technically, the goblin one could be plot relevant, cause we take down gallywix
dense plover
^
night swift
For faction atuff
dense plover
also this
plain vigil
You also have to take the full story into concideration. There may be specific story moments that make more sense to place Heratage quests sooner than later. The dwarves don't really have any major story in BFA, so giving them the questline at the begining of the expansion just made the most sense. In the case of Pandaren the reason I believe they're the next to receive their Heratage sets is because the player is returning to the Vale, blizzard either could have waited for the Vale to be rebuilt, or they're waiting for the Vale to be relievant again.
night swift
The belf one also had void stuff attack in the sunwell when alleria was there
plain vigil
The gnomes for example is set between mechatorque's fall and resurrection, as they wanted to show the situation of the gnome while he's gone.
night swift
^
dense plover
^
night swift
I don’t remember if they outright mention mekkatorque being frozen, but its there
plain vigil
So them waiting to do nelfs and trolls can definitely be because they have further plans to develop those races in Shadowlands. Either way Nelfs will be receiving Heratage sets. They may be one of the last to do so but not giving them Heratage sets is a mistake blizzard wouldn't make.
I still think it's possible that we'll get guard armor for the remaining races in future PvP seasons.
Especially if the plan is to revamp the world for 10.0. Not that there are plans for that, that we know currently. But if they're revamping the world, having every major city's guard armor ready to go, showing both rank and colors, makes a lot of sense.
My point here isn't that it will happen
But that it's a possibility
dense plover
considering the changes to leveling, a world revamp would be a waste of time
theyre going to push you ONLY through the newest expac going forward
and probably just update the last part of the first 10 levels zone to make more story sense, intro wise
it would be a waste to update content that they wont even use
plain vigil
Not neccisarily. The way I see it you Revamp the world except for places like say Pandaria, and put world quests around the entirety of Azeroth. That way they can add and remove seasonal worldquests that go with the current expansion's story. Maybe even update zones with the story if neccisarry like with the Vale.
Remember they are making worldquests 2.0 for Shadowlands, I'm excited to see where that leads
dense plover
thats nonsense tho
like - theyre going to have you in shadowlands for shadowlands
shadowlands isnt about azeroth
its literally about places you havent been
WQ 2.0 is about changing HOW world quests work, not where they are
its an evolution of the system
plain vigil
No I'm saying for the expansion after shadowlands
Wow tends to test things and develop systems over time. The wq 2.0 system may be a prototype for how it will expand in the coming expansions, revamp or not
dense plover
i dont think thats any reference for a world revamp
again, if theyre purposefully splitting leveling up, its unlikely theyll waste resources on old areas
especially because it takes resources from new stuff
plain vigil
Right, unless they tie the old world into new content
BFA was the expansion that did that the most
plain vigil
Of course not
night swift
I see them maybe slowly do new zones if they’re relevant
Not all zones at once per se
ivory meadow
that would be a lot of work
dense plover
theyll probably do it how they did zones in bfa
darkshore, arathi, silithus
and now uldum and vale
with vale and uldum TECHNICALLY receiving few changes
and vale using the old zone from BEFORE SoO
ivory meadow
slow progress then.
dense plover
theres no point in redoing zones that arent relevant and you arent spending time in
and even then, the redone zones dont affect leveling
they only phase in at 110+
plain vigil
The problem with doing it that way is zone size. Boralus and Zandalar are way too large proportionately speaking. That's why Pandaria could basically stay untouched because it's already cannon size. But they'd need to make room for stormwind and Orgrimmar and ironforge if they truely want to scale up to fit with kul'tiras
dense plover
theyre not too large canonically
they never had their size explicitly defined
from chronicles
plain vigil
Wow lost its mystery imo because there's no point in making new characters, there's no world to explore. Revamping the world would bring that back. And applying world quests rather than traditional quests would allow the world to scale with time. Basically one final world revamp with some zone changes over time with each expansion. It won't be a bad workload like with cats because 90% of the assets are already there
dense plover
they scale up the icons
its an mmorpg
going back to old zones isnt neccesary
exploration cant be used in the old world
by definition once youve explored something, its explored
they cant redo the world every time people want more
thats why we get new content
plain vigil
World of Warcraft lost the "world" part of it's name.
dense plover
assets are not an important time investment
weve been over this
assets are the easiest part of wow
the problem is sculpting the zones, placing the assets and npcs
etc
and then adding new content there
sticking the same content there wouldnt be any good
so it accomplishes nothing unless its functionally a new zone
in which case, why not have a new zone
plain vigil
If you're only doing worldquests placing quests won't be an issue, quest placing is the bulk of the design
dense plover
you arent reading
the problem is that going to all the trouble of doing design for old zones
ivory meadow
if it's not going to make a difference why commit to it?
dense plover
requires that they functionally are new zones
plain vigil
Respectfully I understand what you're saying, our opinions just aren't matching up here
dense plover
^ EXACTLY WAYWARD
if youre going to make new zones, WQs and all, why not make new zones
zealous basalt
Honestly the world revamp wouldn't fix anything
Considering now you are going to rush to max level fast
ivory meadow
it really wouldn't
zealous basalt
Better focus on doing new areas, new content
plain vigil
It will make a difference. Leveling a new character will be a fun New Experiance. Rather than doing the same story over and over you'd basically be able to make your own adventure
dense plover
^
ivory meadow
you're doing it for the sake of nostalgia rather than actual functionality.
zealous basalt
And we can't really push Blizzard to revamp the world every time we max a character
"just because im too bored to level a new character"
instead of that, focus on making your only character that great that you wouldn't spend more making new characters
and being bored of the same content over and over
its the same that when you finish a game and go for the new game +
Eventually you will get bored of it
But that isn't the dev's fault
So I ask you Gandem
They revamp the world
plain vigil
You make a great point. There's now no incentive for new players to explore the world of Azeroth.
zealous basalt
You clear it 100 times and eventually get bored of it
Will you ask for a new revamp?
Will this convo repeat over time whenever someone gets that bored of exploring the same map over and over
plain vigil
Not if they update zone and worldquests with each expansion, tying in that expansion to certain zones.
zealous basalt
and over
And make them dull with over-content?
Because as there is lack of content
dense plover
^
plain vigil
A great example of this is Fortnite. They update their map throughout the season reducing the redundancy of gameplay
zealous basalt
over-content is a problem
Different games
Fortnite was made to be updated like that
dense plover
if they spend resources updating old zones with WQs and making them new, thats resources that arent spent on new zones
redistributing those resources to make you go to more zones isnt a good thing
zealous basalt
And fortnite is smaller than wow
plain vigil
Not talking about size here
ivory meadow
but it matters
plain vigil
Wow has over double the team they had in cata
zealous basalt
It will be a mess if old zones become all the time revelant
ivory meadow
because the bigger it is, the more resources that have to be put into it
zealous basalt
It would make the game boring
plain vigil
Not all the time, but small things like what they're doing in 8.3
zealous basalt
You would go to the max level
Then go back to old areas
rinse and repeat
I was too
Liking a world revamp for a long time
Ask anyone here that has been since the year started
And that kinda faded away when they announced the new leveling experience
I kinda look at it as the best alternative to make the world all the time relevant
(And mess up with the internal files of the game that aren't to be touched or the game breaks)
You simply give new players a new experience of 1-10
then throw them to the latest expac with cool graphics, if your argument is because the old world graphics are bad
You could level without noticing there is a world of bad graphics
(If you consider those graphics to be bad)
That way you leave the old zones be and focus on the expacs without messing with them
I feel that the devs don't
want at all, touch the content that is BC
night swift
BC is kinda dead in the water now lol
plain vigil
That's all fine and dandy, but then what makes it Massive? Now it's just a MORPG, one linear story, may as well play goat simulator's MMO to getdlc... Wow is great because it's a story about your character. Having an immersive world, where your character can build their own adventure is in my opinion absolutely needed for wow. And while some may choose to re-explore the world on their main, rather than deal with new content that's their perogative. But giving the player the ability to choose to make a new character who can explore the world how that character would is an absolute dream. Basically it would rebuild the foundation while still allowing the Devs to make new and engaging end game content.
plain vigil
The issues with team strain and resource allocation can be worked around by either working on this with expansions behind the scenes, or by locking off most areas of the world with some story precident. And adding the revamped areas over time. Access the old world via the caverns of time