#beta-ptr-spoilers

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dense plover
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unless there is a death dragon flight or something

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it definitely should

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im getting a bit fed up with the clickbait titles

tropic trail
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Dragon Isles?

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jk

dense plover
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Possible AOTC mount is an appropriate title

uncut vault
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looks like the item itself uses the other void dragon mount model, not the storm drake recolor

dense plover
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that makes more sense

uncut vault
dense plover
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i dont see why this couldnt be a charhounds type mount but with some story attached

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vexiona sorta came out of nowhere, so adding story is nice

uncut vault
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could be a "only drops if youve actually done the pre-raid story" thing

dense plover
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could be

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would make sense

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servers are up

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new dks arent in

ionic terrace
noble patrol
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Interesting

normal niche
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what does the client say?

noble patrol
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MoP - Wolf
WoD - Moose
Legion - Spellwing
BFA - Uncorrupted voidwing apparently

normal niche
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8.2.5 still?

uncut vault
normal niche
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What the fuck

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is that like

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a pre-download of 8.3 or something?

noble patrol
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A lvl 55 toon? They removed that restriction in WoD

uncut vault
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its there for just allied races

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so I think they might have just copied the code, and forgot to remove that old bit

noble patrol
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probs

normal niche
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Yeah they're not supposed to be there.

tropic trail
modest temple
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someone saw an aqir rep, its probably tied to that nzoth item that is basically just ordos/falcosaur pvp again. Go nuts, get kills for mount.

dense plover
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actually

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the mount description implies you raise ot

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i think its closer to the pterrordax

modest temple
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wtb more netherwing stuff

dense plover
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wrong planet

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you buy gouged eyes

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which gives you a reason to do visions

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they implemented the max level azerite grind

modest temple
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infinite dump?

ionic terrace
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uhhh

dense plover
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confirmed that the vision rotates each week between stormwind and orgrimmar

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or

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some undetermined amount of time

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but they rotate

ionic terrace
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sooo

dense plover
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yes?

ionic terrace
modest temple
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HAAAA

dense plover
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how?

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TELL US

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race change?

ionic terrace
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I clicked the DK icon and then the ally races button lol

storm marsh
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I want to comment that my Spriest is pleased with ahead of the curve mount

dense plover
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race change works

storm marsh
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also with this new bolvar audio, i guess they're finally making ARs death knights testable

ionic terrace
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haha

dense plover
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create a new dk

ionic terrace
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nice

dense plover
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then race change

normal niche
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NO WAY

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LOL

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NO WAY

storm marsh
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YES

normal niche
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OH BOY

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ITS ABOUT TO GET REAL

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THE MEMES

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EVERYTHING

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PANDAREN DK'S

modest temple
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makes sense that it would be the patch after blizzcon

storm marsh
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it will be so weird

dense plover
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customization doesnt seem to be in

ionic terrace
storm marsh
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well. when you mouse over DK class on these races, it says "requires wrath of the lich king and lvl 55"

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no longer says "choose different race"

normal niche
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they're probably gonna be locked

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for a while

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unless this was accidental

modest temple
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nightborne dks, im glad im not horde cause im sure therell be a few of those grimdarks around

storm marsh
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Also you don't need to race change, just click on regular race first then switch to AR

solar minnow
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Is that PTR Client?

storm marsh
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yes

dense plover
solar minnow
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How to install that? lol

dense plover
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doesnt work tho

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you cant play them

storm marsh
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and they don't have customization yet (blue eyes)

dense plover
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no

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theyve essentially added the id tag that says they can be dks

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but nothing else

uncut vault
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weirdly

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mechagnome DKs have eyebrows

storm marsh
uncut vault
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but normal mechagnomes do not

modest temple
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eh, still got some time b4 the holidays

solar minnow
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Lol

uncut vault
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oh nevermind, they listened to my feedback!

solar minnow
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Those belly..

uncut vault
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mechagnome eyebrows, finally

solar minnow
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What about gnome night knight?

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Death*

dense plover
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wtf how do you get a version with the eyes?

uncut vault
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the helmet gives eyes

dense plover
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oh

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ok

storm marsh
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also... regular dks lost their eye glow. ptr build messed it up

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some actually.

dense plover
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lol

calm plank
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all allied races are available as dks?

storm marsh
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ahahah

calm plank
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hehe

solar minnow
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@storm marsh do gnome one

dense plover
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yes infi

calm plank
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okay

dense plover
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thats literally the advertised feature

calm plank
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I feel like a lightforged dk would be weird

dense plover
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mogu invasion is cool

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it has some stuff outside vale in kunlai

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like at the entrance

storm marsh
solar minnow
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Werid xD

storm marsh
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damn, when i saw new bolvar audio released, i hoped we could test AR dks

dense plover
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its not ready yet

storm marsh
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i wonder if it's possible to access new frozen throne area

dense plover
storm marsh
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i wish Li Li is grown up

dense plover
ionic terrace
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they changed the turn in for the calia quest

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she's at the Calston estate now

dense plover
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that makes more sense

uncut vault
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anyone know where the new vale bronze dragon is?

dense plover
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not yet

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will look

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might not be in yet

molten pine
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they removed corruption effects from crafted gear

uncut vault
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I ask because my character is now in the old vale phase lol

dense plover
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theres one in kunlai

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considering the mogu assault

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that might be why

uncut vault
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for the monk peak

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class hall story destroys it

dense plover
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oh

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hmmm

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have you done the campaign already porter?

uncut vault
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not yet, that might be it

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though, Ill be disappointed if the restored vale is max level only

dense plover
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it is

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but probably wont be in SL

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because they still have the old quests

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hell, they might let you experience the transition

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and then quest through it after

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thats doable now

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well, that was lame

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that was the whole lili chen questline

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thank fuck

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gonna go check nzoth uldum invasion

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i havent seen it since it was first on ptr and VERY broken

uncut vault
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seems like theyre moving out of the free testing phase of PTR

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and on to the way they intend it to go live

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no more flaskataurs

dense plover
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flask and heartzertauren were gone as of last build

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when they did the wipe

zealous basalt
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I wonder

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If I can get in now

dense plover
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checking uldum vision now that they work

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splinters now come from visions

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instead of raid

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so you can craft the first tier before the raid

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also i fucking love those mini visions

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the loot is consistent

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theyre tough but fun

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all of the new cooking meals were reworked to do different things

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so the no sanity one seems great

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but theres effects that trigger at low sanity that can be very powerful

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and it also means you get none of the kiss/curse debuffs some of the mobs give

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floating nzoth assault platforms have a creepy sound now

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like otherworldly magnets

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i feel like the uldum nzoth assault is much better

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it just feels more detailed

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oooo, banners have a similar magnet-y noise

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i just noticed - they finally increased the fucking view distance during the nzoth assault

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mobs can be corrupted now

ionic terrace
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Just be a druid

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😉

dense plover
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also they changed the corruption thingy to show you the next effect and i assume, your current ones

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yeah it shouldnt be a curse

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the corrupted mobs are cool tho

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its new

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essentially makes them stronger and they give corruption and have new attacks

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its like the mob is warforged

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the mob's name changes too

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also the ilvl of the items have gone up

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theyre now 425

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so they ARE an upgrade finally

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i still dislike that once you do the assaults youre kinda only doing dailies after that

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essentially youll be doing an assault for an hour each

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so 2 hours of content

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plus dailies

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and then dailies every day for 30-ish min

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then however often you can do horrific visions

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since you need a vessel thingy, maybe 2x per week

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the dark ones are 7

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the darker are 9

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also they have a different Insanity now

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oh boy

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upgrade orbs for cloak only increase it by 2 ilvl

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BUT

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you can find pages in the different visions

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horrific and not

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and each individual page gives a corrupting core

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corruption resistance on the cloak DOES increase with ilvl/rank

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and since this is volume 1, i imagine other volumes drop from other content

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like one from the raid

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or maybe once you get to a certain rank

uncut vault
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definitely hope the eye changes arent final

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very lazily done if they are

zealous basalt
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We expect to update brightly-glowing eyes further in future builds of the Visions of N’Zoth PTR.

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Ohboi

uncut vault
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the irony of the Sylvanas banners right behind them, and the scarlet crusader being tortured in the background

dense plover
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i think it will be phased more in the future

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some of them literally walked through the fence

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its definitely not finished

tropic trail
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i still dont regret removing it on my main lol

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at least i have an alt with the gift..

zealous basalt
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"You do realize I am a dragon, yes? That I can breathe fire? Just making sure."

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I dont even

uncut vault
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well that velonara dialogue is disappointing

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was hoping that basically the one notable dark ranger would get to stay loyal

terse patrol
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Meh.

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Making them all stay loyal is just saying "let's kill off all the Forsaken NPCs".

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@uncut vault

uncut vault
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I mean, their identity is dead anyways, might as well take the npcs

carmine junco
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So I was looking at the PTR and I think humans have more facial features added? I'm almost positive human females at least had a few more options than live

agile token
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@carmine junco what kind of things

zealous basalt
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It has been there for a while now

agile token
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See how much I play human

calm plank
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the gift of n'zoth is finally doing something

novel zodiac
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its doing nothing

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useless dialogs

tropic trail
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Nobody. Literally nobody

Anduin: YOU WERE ON HIS SIDE ALL THIS TIME?

frigid crater
tropic trail
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Jaina, KiLl ThE cHaMpIoN

novel zodiac
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we've been so scamed this whole expansion

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wod 2.0

tropic trail
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And just see Jaina go in MoP mode.
"Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill"

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Get away from me Jaina, I don't wanna

normal niche
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Hell nah bro

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make Jaina a world boss if she's going to try and kill the PC

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the PC is hungry for loot anyway

tropic trail
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You're an AI?

normal niche
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lol

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i guess

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Invasion spawns in Bfa Zone:

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Me:

tropic trail
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If his name is invincible, why can I see it?

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It's way worse when someone says that then adds drop chance*

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And says why can't I see it

novel zodiac
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bruh

frigid crater
tropic trail
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Why though? Does Bolvar kill to raise like Arthas?

agile token
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@tropic trail He raises the already dead

tropic trail
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"Alright bro I'm boutta head out and ress people. PEACE"

calm garden
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Cute but undeadly

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😉

lean yew
umbral lake
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oh so they updated calias meeting with the forsaken night elves?

tropic trail
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"Join the Horde."
"NO."
"IT DIDN'T WORK!! ELUNE FREAKIN' DAMMIT!"

cyan prairie
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since there are new starting weapons for DKs, can we expect new starting-zone armor for them too?

tropic trail
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Probably just a retexture

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Or recolor of Wrath raids armor

cyan prairie
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if they renew the starting set (the one with the hood) i'm gonna be totally fine with it

tropic trail
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Saaaame

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I love that set. Minus the boots

cyan prairie
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boots can be easily replaced

tropic trail
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Yup

cyan prairie
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they're the least visible part of mog

tropic trail
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I like one of the Wrath PvP pants with that set so I have to use the boots too but they're chunky

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So it ends up looking weird

cyan prairie
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i want a mog for DK that will be actually better than mythic Nighthold

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because that's the best DK set so far

tropic trail
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The scuffed Lich King one?

cyan prairie
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this one

tropic trail
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Yup that one

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I like the helm and gloves

cyan prairie
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the Necrolord plate seems really good too

tropic trail
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The helm is straight up Lich King and the gloves remind me of Dante's fist weapon in DMC4

cyan prairie
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the only issue with that set

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was the cloak

tropic trail
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Invisible cloaks, yay!

cyan prairie
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but Mythic BoD from gnome is a good replacement

tropic trail
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I rarely have cloak mogs

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Usually do when I have a skimpy outfit and want the cloak to be some sort of coverup

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Again though, rarely wearing cloaks

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Death Knights do look cool with them, gonna admit

cyan prairie
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i use cloaks on nearly all mogs

tropic trail
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If the chestpiece has no sleeves, I use cloaks

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Otherwise, no

cyan prairie
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the only exception is my DH and Mage

tropic trail
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What I like about cloaks and tabards too is that they have keyframed motion instead of being physics based

cyan prairie
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just no need to use cloak

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if Blizz is already experimenting with new "cloaks"

tropic trail
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I don't like cloaks with robes either

cyan prairie
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they should add wide cloaks

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for wide races

tropic trail
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Wide cloaks for all races!

cyan prairie
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like here

tropic trail
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Arthas and Kael are good examples

cyan prairie
tropic trail
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Look at their cloaks

cyan prairie
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the cloak coming from under the shoulders

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would look so nice

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the idea of wings as tmog parts is also interesting

tropic trail
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That's a shaman, yeah?

cyan prairie
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warrior

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that's a plate set xD

tropic trail
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What's in his main hand?

cyan prairie
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sword

tropic trail
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Oh okay

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Don't play Horde xD

cyan prairie
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unlucky you

tropic trail
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I'm an Alliance baby

cyan prairie
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i made like one alt in alliance in my life

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and god, no more

tropic trail
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XD

cyan prairie
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i wonder

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if one of the new plate sets

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is made of wood

tropic trail
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Argent Dawn Alliance players: HORDE IS EVIL

cyan prairie
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then would the cloth set be made of leaves?

tropic trail
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Yes the Night Fae one is

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Also dunno

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Maybe?

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Maybe

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Maybe!

cyan prairie
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both factions are just as evil

inner copper
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Argent dawn is the equivalent of Moonguard, they have their own cesspool named Goldshire

cyan prairie
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i know, i'm from EU

tropic trail
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snort

cyan prairie
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i gank AD players all time

tropic trail
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Glad I don't use warmode while leveling then xD

cyan prairie
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but they usually run in full groups

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good thing i'm a tank and Poen is broken enough to solo them xD

tropic trail
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Wai wah

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Poen?

inner copper
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Maybe their friend

tropic trail
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Trade chat on Argent Dawn Alliance:

cyan prairie
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The Horde follower in Nazjatar

tropic trail
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"Hey kids! You're all garbage!"

"Reported!"
"I'm silencing you!"
"LFG Mechagon"
"KEEP YER FEET ON DE GROUND"

cyan prairie
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places AoE that heals you for 70k each 2 seconds and deals the same amount of damage

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alliance can attack me 5v1 and still die, just because of him

inner copper
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I actually went on a fire mage class trial to AD Goldshire and sold “tactical nukes” for 1 silver, just use the fire mage abilities to summon a fiery effect on the ground and the meteor thing and what not. On my best day I made 1k gold.

tropic trail
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Ah well. Gotta go, lunch break's done

cyan prairie
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good thing you didn't see Burning Legion's trade chat

tropic trail
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See you in a lifetime

cyan prairie
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i remember my guildie going for our first mythic Uldir and getting a 395 cloak with socket

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he made 2 millions gold in one day

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they said that we still have World Quests in Shadowlands?

obtuse vine
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Yeah

cyan prairie
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so only gold/items rewards now?

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since there won't be any AP

wicked phoenix
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I am from Argent Dawn. Never saw what is inside Goldshire. But i sure love when some Outland-server Alliance guy crying to my whisper-chat after some pvp beating.

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Noting is better than this reaction of guy from pvp server when some rper just kill him..again and again.

cyan prairie
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that's all they can do

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crying works for them pretty fine

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they managed to get 30% warmode buff and free gear every week just by crying

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i've seen something that the warmode is going to be changed again

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to balance the realms more

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<expect more crying from alliance players being "ganked too much">

tropic trail
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is shadowlands conneted to azeroth or universe?

cyan prairie
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it's like Emerald Dream

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the difference is ED is connected just to Azeroth

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Shadowlands are a realm where everything that dies goes there

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(excluding Demons that go to Twisting Nether etc.)

tropic trail
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so I've heard that fourth war made by sylvanas made some unrest in there

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but for example burning crusade would have made more death throughout the universe than some one planet conflict

cyan prairie
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the difference is that something broke the "death machine"

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which i believe was us killing Argus

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so all the death caused by Legion so far wouldn't really change much

normal niche
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Argus

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Pyromancer actually recently made a video connecting him, to the mount we get and the transmog

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from the Heroic Edition.

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In his files he's known as Deathtitan

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So I'll agree with you.

strange falcon
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@tropic trail @cyan prairie @normal niche

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though pyromancer has always been tinfoily and mad speculations

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so he should be taken with a big grain of salt 🤔

smoky mural
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you throw so much shit at a board you're gonna hit something

inner copper
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You’re*

cyan prairie
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didn't watch that video, but i guess we can all say that Argus is a Titan of Death

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his spells, weapon etc.

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and now his design really fits the Shadowlands

strange falcon
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And i believe that,though the remaining 30mins

cyan prairie
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the color pattern

strange falcon
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Are sketchy

cyan prairie
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what 30 mins?

dense plover
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His aesthetic doesn’t match the shadowlands at all

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Also the death titan stuff was never canonically confirmed

zealous basalt
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What's up gamers

normal niche
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well it is speculation, there's a thread on mmochampion that speculates on whether Bolvar would replace the Jailor or not, although there's much that we don't know yet, we only know the basics.

unborn glacier
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His files are called Death Titan and didn't someone at BlizzCon say he was the Titan of death?

normal niche
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What's up

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Makore

zealous basalt
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What's the topic this morning

dense plover
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Pretty sure it’s just in the files

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Don’t think any lore people have called him a death titan, it’s just the internal name

hasty tendon
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Well...
It might not be outright stated in-game, but he was referred to as such on-stage, his files are called Death Titan.

On top of that, he wears a skull, carries a scythe and has several spells referencing "the end"

normal niche
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exactly.

tranquil steeple
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I could see him being related to the Shadowlands in some way, but not the way Pyromancer titles him "the true god of death"

hasty tendon
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I just can't see a skull and a scythe belonging to a cosmic force aside from Death, personally.

normal niche
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Although

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Nvm

hasty tendon
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And as for Pyromancer.

He has some cool thoughts, but he goes waaaaay overboard with them and how sure he seems of them.

normal niche
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I guess heavily speculating on wow lore would make anyone insane.

dense plover
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The problem is he guesses about everything

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Several times

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And never admits he is wrong

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Eventually he gets stuff right because he guesses so many things

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A broken clock is right twice a day

strange falcon
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him being related to shadowlands is a given,seeing as how the preorder armor,and the scythe have the exact same color pattern,other than that,its very tinfoil hat,and it shouldnt be taken as absolute fact

tranquil steeple
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don't forget Argus is pretty much only driven to bring the end of everything

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because of being tortured for so long

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and when he then gets his physical form, that we fight, he could just shape things how he wanted at the time

normal niche
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yes

tranquil steeple
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so it could be that if it wasn't for that, we'd see him more closely like how things are in the Shadowlands (seeing as how his scythe and colors fit with the pre-order stuff)

hasty tendon
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The Kyrians look very similar to him, honestly.

Blue skin, human figure, golden clothing and objects.

tranquil steeple
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and if anything I'd only be willing to bet Argus was what/who kept the Jailor and The Maw in check for the most part

strange falcon
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@hasty tendon the preorder set(and argus) is most similar to the main hub city's architecture(ORIBOS)

hasty tendon
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Yeah, I know that.

strange falcon
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the wavy patterns on the pillars are the same as the shoulders

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the serpent figure in the chestpiece,is literally the icon of oribos in the map

hasty tendon
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I'm just also saying we have a race from Shadowlands that fits that aesthetic, as well.

pulsar iris
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has peach yelled that this pyro dude has all his facts wrong today?

strange falcon
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yes

pulsar iris
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aww i missed it

cyan prairie
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about his aestethic "not fitting" the Shadowlands

tranquil steeple
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Argus has more of a "brutish elegance" (akin to the Keepers in Halls of Origination) formed by his rage after being subject to eons of torture and suffering, while the Shadowlands have kind of an "advanced regal elegance".. atleast that's my take on it.

cyan prairie
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i think that his appearance mught be like that to show that his souls was tortured (the thorns in his body etc.)

tropic trail
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And I'm back! You failed to keep me away

cyan prairie
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but the color pattern, the "mist" around him or even his apperance alone fit pretty good

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also

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didn't we get his model

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without the crown?

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that was never used?

normal niche
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Actually

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yeah that's what I'm thinking

smoky mural
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can i see this model

normal niche
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his style and design is indeed close, to the Constellations

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like

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his scythe

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mainly

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not the body but his scythe, the blue color of it

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the normal one

cyan prairie
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the pattern on it also looks like it

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and the whole idea of his weapon alone

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i mean

tropic trail
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Is that Pigeon's weapon?

cyan prairie
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what can symbolize death more, than a Scythe?

tropic trail
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A skull

normal niche
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Yup

cyan prairie
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i mean

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for a weapon

smoky mural
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@cyan prairie can you show me arguss model without the mask

tropic trail
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A skull mace

cyan prairie
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someone was faster than me xD

strange falcon
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inb4 they use that in shadowlands

cyan prairie
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his face is pretty... dead?

tropic trail
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Unded

pulsar iris
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kinda ressembles a skullish eredar

strange falcon
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@smoky mural

pulsar iris
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which makes sense since he is well argus the homeland of the eredar

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like i imagine azeroth would be a troll

tropic trail
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We need more decay/rot over DK characters

hasty tendon
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Fun fact.

The Goblin Update seems to have removed the rot from their dk skins.

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Which sucks.

cyan prairie
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lol i just realised that his head has no upper part

smoky mural
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yeah but that could also just be a bugged model

cyan prairie
tropic trail
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Wai wah

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No hair or what?

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ARGUS IS BALD CONFIRMED

hasty tendon
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Yeah, we can't really confirm that as Canon.

We were never meant to peer beneath the helmet.

limber mural
#

spongebob: bald! bald! bald!

tranquil steeple
#

{insert Baldmongold joke here}

dense plover
#

We can’t confirm the armorless one as canon either

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It never appeared

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Also the aesthetic with the preorder armor is not the same

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I don’t know why you think the aesthetic is the same

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They both have metal?

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There’s no blue or red

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It’s not even the same color metal

cyan prairie
#

they have the same color pattern - gold and blue

dense plover
#

One is gold (Argus) the other is bronze

cyan prairie
#

and the effects around them are the same

dense plover
#

The effects are not the same

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We need gifs

cyan prairie
#

and Sylvanas has slighly more red armor than Sira does

dense plover
#

I can’t record them....

tropic trail
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I love you guys xD

cyan prairie
#

but they both represent the Forsaken

normal niche
#

Yeah but like

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a lot of things cosmic/golden looking or blue often have something to do with Death,Titans,or Creation

dense plover
#

^

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The aesthetic is not unique to Argus

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Go take pics of ulduar, uldir, or algalon

cyan prairie
#

Uldir is Gold-Red

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Algalon is completely transparent

tropic trail
#

Also the serpent in Mogu'shan

dense plover
#

Algalon has the stars aesthetic like argus’ scythe

tropic trail
#

AND THE SERPENT

dense plover
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Uldir is the same bronze as the armor

cyan prairie
#

Uldir is golden, due to Zandalari aetethics

dense plover
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No it isn’t

cyan prairie
#

everything on Zandalar looks like it

dense plover
#

Go look at the uldir armor and the interior

cyan prairie
#

Great seal, whole Dazar'alor

dense plover
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It’s a brassy bronze

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Great seal is a different color

strange falcon
#

there is a recolor of uldir armor that is gold

dense plover
#

Great Seal is gold

strange falcon
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isnt there

dense plover
#

Uldir is not

cyan prairie
#

it is

dense plover
#

There’s a recolor of the armor

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But the actual place is not gold

cyan prairie
#

this isn't the same color pattern

normal niche
#

okay that makes sense

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Uldir is Bronze

dense plover
#

Yeah

normal niche
#

and this part of the interior looks like that because its dark

dense plover
#

That’s what I said

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No

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It’s a different color

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Argus is gold

tropic trail
#

Did anyone else call MOTHER mom during the fight?

dense plover
#

Uldir and ulduar are bronze

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And so is the preorder armor

strange falcon
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it's M.O.T.H.E.R,blizz being funny with acronyms

dense plover
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Here’s a pic that’s bright

tropic trail
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"GET HER! LEMME GET LAST HIT ON MOM"

dense plover
#

It’s only gold in specific parts

cyan prairie
#

Looks gold to me

dense plover
#

The majority of the structure is bronze

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Yeah the outside is different

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This is clearly a different color

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I don’t know what to tell you

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Maybe you’re color blind?

cyan prairie
#

is that bronze to you too?

dense plover
#

The art station palettes are different

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Dazar is gold

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Uldir is bronze

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The armor is even bronze

cyan prairie
#

this is bronze

tropic trail
#

Mythic armor is gold

dense plover
#

Mythic armor isn’t the color of the metal in uldir

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The ground is the bronze I linked

cyan prairie
#

these armor sets look different depending on the armor type

dense plover
#

This one

cyan prairie
#

with their color patterns

dense plover
#

This is the same color metal as the majority of uldir

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It is the same as the transmog set

cyan prairie
#

looks gold to me

dense plover
#

Nvm I’m apparently wrong

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The image on my phone is legit wrong

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Wtf

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It’s like it saved the wrong color palette

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I don’t even understand

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That’s like the third time that has happened with wowhead images

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Wtf

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The armor is gold

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I don’t even

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Sorry

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I still don’t think it has to do with Argus tho

strange falcon
#

peach being wrong and saying sorry

dense plover
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Maybe the titans

strange falcon
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omg thats rarer than a legion legendary

dense plover
#

But not necessarily Argus

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I apologize all the time dafire

hasty tendon
#

I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe your phone is colourblind?
😉

normal niche
#

Its less rare than Pyromancer apologizing after being wrong.

dense plover
#

My phone is fucked that’s for sure

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Pyromancer literally never apologizes

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It’s the worst

cyan prairie
#

Argus has some death-specific parts, like the weapon (let's say the weapon represents the role - Aggramar and Sargeras were warrriors, so they used swords), spells like Fog of Death, End of All Things etc. And now the color palette with the preorder armor and mount. That's why there's so much around him,

#

and yeah, something broke the machine of death as it was mentioned on BLizzcon

dense plover
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Yes but I don’t think Argus is the machine

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That would mean death would never work again

cyan prairie
#

what "big" happened between TBC and Legion (Big enough to cause something like that)

dense plover
#

The titans didn’t make the universe work

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They ordered it

tropic trail
#

Engine of Death

normal niche
#

is the machine the Helm of Domination?

dense plover
#

The universe still functions without them

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I still think the machine is a figure of speech

cyan prairie
#

There was something about Argus being older than all the other titans

dense plover
#

It’s pretty common in English

cyan prairie
#

not sure where tho

normal niche
#

figure of speech?
yup

tranquil steeple
#

I'll go back to saying that I believe Argus is what shackled/held back The Jailor and The Maw

dense plover
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That’s certainly possible

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Lot less out there

normal niche
#

when something is said in a non-literal sense

cyan prairie
#

wait

normal niche
#

isn't that what a figure of speech is?

cyan prairie
#

wait

tropic trail
#

Argus was the death titan apparently?

cyan prairie
#

his soul

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was used

#

to bring back Demons to life

#

faster

dense plover
#

Yeah

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From the nether

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Demons don’t go to the shadowlands

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Theoretically it’s possible any titan could be used

tropic trail
#

I wonder what titan Azeroth will be

dense plover
#

Argus was captured early

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That’s how he was able to be used like that

tropic trail
#

Likely shadow/void if we screw up with the old gods

tranquil steeple
#

Argus was also sent back in time or something like that by Aman'thul

#

wasn't he?

dense plover
#

I do not remember that

cyan prairie
#

didn't heard anything like that

normal niche
#

I think it was like

tropic trail
#

Probably to be put back in a dormant state?

tranquil steeple
#

maybe that was some placeholder text

#

that got changed

normal niche
#

Sargeras pretty much forced him to manifest?

#

or something?

#

as he wasn't born yet

dense plover
#

Yes

#

I believe so

cyan prairie
#

i think that Argus' soul could be used for something more than just bringing back Demons to life

#

something just feels wrong with it and idk what exactly

tropic trail
#

Maybe he could screw the whole universe over

dense plover
#

I mean

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I’m pretty sure Argus is dead now right?

cyan prairie
#

yeah, he is

dense plover
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So he’s just gone forever

cyan prairie
#

yup, and death of a titan isn't something small

dense plover
#

I mean

normal niche
#

the emo titan is gone

#

''END IT ALL''

dense plover
#

I don’t think it would be a big deal

normal niche
#

''DEATH... DEATH.. AND PAIN''

dense plover
#

Pretty sure Sargeras killed other titans

#

He cleaved a bunch of planets

tropic trail
#

Yup

dense plover
#

It’s not the end of the function of the universe

tropic trail
#

He killed the known titans too

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But kept their souls

dense plover
#

The universe functions without the titans

cyan prairie
#

there is a difference here

dense plover
#

It’s just chaotic

cyan prairie
#

their souls survived

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to become his slaves

dense plover
#

Idk if we know that

#

I imagine some are just gone gone

cyan prairie
#

they were literally tortured there

#

by Shivarras

dense plover
#

Yes the titans

#

But what about all the cleaved planets

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The titans we never met

tropic trail
#

Ded

cyan prairie
#

not all planets had Titan souls in them

dense plover
#

But Sargeras killed plenty that did

#

That’s my point

#

He killed a ton of pre birth titans

cyan prairie
#

it seems like it isn't something common

dense plover
#

To prevent them being corrupted

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That was his whole thing

cyan prairie
#

why would he want Azeroth destroyed so much if there are more planets?

#

why woul he focus this much just on Azeroth

tropic trail
#

SARGERAS DID NOTHING WRONG

dense plover
#

Because it was already corrupted

cyan prairie
#

like many other planets

dense plover
#

The others he was killing as a preemptive measure

#

No

#

He had never found a corrupt titan planet

#

Corrupt planets yes

#

And titan planets

#

Azeroth was the first titan planet with old gods Sargeras saw

tropic trail
#

Nope

#

There was one before

dense plover
#

Oh yeah

normal niche
#

So Azeroth would be corrupted if it was to birth then?

dense plover
#

The one that started his crusade

#

If the old gods win

#

Yes

#

That’s why the titans built the prisons

#

And created the titan keepers

normal niche
#

I know that but

dense plover
#

And the forge

#

And all that

normal niche
#

the planet itself has received a lot of damages to it.

cyan prairie
#

back to titans - all the Titans from the Pantheon killed by Sargeras died, but their souls survived

#

meanwhile we know that Argus died to death and he's ded for good

normal niche
#

cataclysm,azerite erupting in most places, the sword in that one vanilla zone

tropic trail
#

Sargeras kept them

dense plover
#

Mauldrak

#

Sargeras killed pre birth titans

tropic trail
#

To try to turn them to his side

dense plover
#

Outside the pantheon

normal niche
#

Yeah

dense plover
#

A ton of them

#

Nothing happened

#

Universe kept working

normal niche
#

Sargeras went on a rampage, he killed a void corrupted planet in one of the books.

#

It was a void corrupted titan

#

that wasn't born

#

his sword basically cleaved it

#

I think

tropic trail
#

Yup

dense plover
#

Yep

cyan prairie
#

how could Aman'thul, Khaz'goroth, Aggramar etc. be killed before being born?

dense plover
#

Not them

#

He killed others

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You aren’t listening

cyan prairie
#

but i was talking about them

dense plover
#

There were titans outside the pantheon

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That weren’t born

#

That weren’t names

#

Named

#

That are now dead

#

Souls lost

#

No consequences

cyan prairie
#

yeah, but look, he killed titans that weren't born yet

#

so they died for good

#

but the titans that were born already, didn't really die

#

that's what the 9th fight in Antorus was about

tropic trail
#

SARGERAS KEPT THE KNOWN TITANS'SOULS TO TRY TO GET THEM TO HIS SIDE

cyan prairie
#

well not all of them

#

Eonar died, but she managed to escape

tropic trail
#

Life titan

cyan prairie
dense plover
#

Yeah but like

#

Killing Argus shouldn’t be different than killing a dormant titan

#

Azeroth is dormant and has power

#

So why would destroying a dormant titan soul be different than us killing Argus?

tropic trail
#

Azeroth is the most powerful titan

dense plover
#

It shouldn’t be

cyan prairie
#

Argus got awakened at the end

#

that's why

#

he wasn't dormant anymore

tropic trail
#

I bet she's gonna end up void corrupted and we defeat her and try to cleanse her at some point

cyan prairie
#

i wouldn't be surprised if Azeroth becomes a villain in the end

tropic trail
#

Laugh if you want but I did call out N'zoth being the final boss

#

And the first free old god

cyan prairie
#

and that all our effort to defend her only made things worse

dense plover
#

That would be dumb

#

We can’t kill her

#

We all die

#

We can’t free her

#

We all die

#

She can never be free

normal niche
#

Azeroth die = End of World of Warcraft

dense plover
#

She must be a slave to her torment

#

XD

tropic trail
#

Magni be like "HANG ON LASS DON'T DIE"

cyan prairie
#

"what are we, if not slaves to this torment?"

tropic trail
#

Azeroth "SHUT UP I'M TRYING"

cyan prairie
#

<looks at Shadowlands>

#

burn them

#

BURN THEM!

normal niche
#

If you think about it

#

we're a bunch of Leukocytes

dense plover
#

The burning does make more sense now

tranquil steeple
#

idk what that is but I feel hurt

dense plover
#

And why she was so quick to jump to it

tropic trail
#

I think Nathanos was wondering what he should have for dinner and that's why Sylvanas had to repeat herself

cyan prairie
#

btw since someone mentioned Magni

tropic trail
#

"Burn it."
"I wonder what I should have for dinner tonight."
"BURN IT!"

#

Noticed the Windrunner sisters have a shared weak spot for humans?

#

Sylvanas and Nathanos, Alleria and Turalyon, Veressa and Rhonin

cyan prairie
#

fun fact, 2 of them already died

normal niche
#

and Nathanos is dead dead

#

and undead

cyan prairie
#

well yes, but actually no

tropic trail
#

So does Nathanos die in the worgen heritage armor quest?

normal niche
#

no

#

he snaps his gauntlet

tropic trail
#

YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR THE HEAD

normal niche
#

with the snap of my finger half of the living will cease to exist.

#

for the banshee queen

tropic trail
#

Fun fact

#

Thanos originally wanted to impress Death with the snap

#

In the comics

normal niche
#

yup

tropic trail
#

I think a guildie hates me xD

#

He got disconnected, relogged and said "Love DC's"

#

So I said "I like Marvel better"

#

I think he hates me now XD

cyan prairie
#

ok, i know what Argus represents as a Titan

tropic trail
#

My brother won a scarf from a beer promotion

#

He gave it to me cause I'm obsessed with wearing scarves

normal niche
#

LOL

#

Argus
as beer

round lake
#

really no new spoilers all day?

ionic terrace
#

does the fact that you can buy the new DK swords count?

zealous basalt
#

NANI

#

HOW

ionic terrace
#

😉

#

Same vendor as every other DK thing

#

Though the frost 1h weapon is missing

zealous basalt
#

ohhh

#

Are they pretty?

ionic terrace
#

yes

zealous basalt
#

Screenshots or faek

ionic terrace
zealous basalt
#

...

#

thonk

cyan prairie
#

wait

#

is the frost sword

#

a 2h or 1h?

zealous basalt
#

He said the 1h was missing

vivid harness
#

the 1hander is there

cyan prairie
#

shit

#

if the frost sword is a 1h

#

my hopes for 2h Frost DK are gonna die xD

zealous basalt
#

What kind of logic is that

#

Why put a 2 hand in BfA for Frosts if currently as a frost you forcefully need a 1h

ionic terrace
#

There's a 1h and 2h version of all

#

By frost I meant the color

dense plover
#

Because of blood and unholy?

#

And transmog?

night swift
#

they did that in legion too with the ebon blade armaments

#

1 hand and 2 hands for every spec color

dense plover
#

Yep

tropic trail
#

are the allied races/pandaren dks still not supposed to be unlockable in ptr?

ancient jasper
#

Nope

#

You can view them if you click on a race that can be DK then swap to them, but nothing else yet.

#

No Blue Eyes for them yet or DK skins

dense plover
#

No customization at all yet

#

No skins eyes hair and hair colors

#

But skin colors are supposedly planned

tropic trail
#

ah i see, thanks

dense plover
#

thinking its for chalcedony serpent

#

havent seen it tho

#

female mogu!

#

were these a thing before and i didnt know?

terse patrol
#

Yes.

#

Just, very rare.

#

They are from when Mogu used to be flesh.

#

Kinda like how Earthen and Vrykul only had males prior to the Curse of Flesh.

#

Imagine that. Being a man robot then waking up with boobs.

#

@dense plover

#

😛

unborn glacier
#

Mogu AR confirmed!!!!!

tulip sun
#

Peach. Your quite a few weeks behind xD

dense plover
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

zealous basalt
#

Peach

#

Did you do raids in MoP?

#

in throne there were 2 female mogu

#

Lei Shen had them like trophies because female mogu are so rare

night swift
#

Fem Mogu are rare, but if they became an AR they’d become super common

unborn glacier
#

Lulw

#

Yup

#

That model looks sooo good

#

I wanna be one

ancient jasper
#

Wasn't the Twins boss in Throne of Thunder 2 lady Mogu?

#

Oh whoops

#

Makore beat me to it. Should have scrolled down.

midnight saddle
#

lei shen had them as trophies because he killed the rest

#

actually im wrong he didnt kill the rest

#

he created them

dense plover
#

yeah

#

they had no females b/c they were stone people

#

same with vrykul

#

possibly other non mortal races too

#

like dwarves and gnomes

novel zodiac
#

there's a max level for the hearth of azeroth?

#

i just wanna know how much i will need to farm

bold granite
#

Trolls and elves are the only native races playable that are not titan created correct?

tropic trail
#

Goblins, Tauren, Pandaren

#

Those should be the only non-titan races, elves are just evolved trolls with some magic in there

bold granite
#

Ah i always forget them

tropic trail
#

and trolls should be titan, right?

bold granite
#

No?

#

I thought they ere around during the black empire? Could be wrong don't know mutch

midnight saddle
#

Pandaren are probably another ancient child race like taurens

#

Which would mean indirectly titan caused

bold granite
#

And night elves with the well

tropic trail
#

I would at least think Centaur are a non-titan race

bold granite
#

O another indirect titan

tropic trail
#

Elves are elves, just evolved trolls in the end

#

Titans had little to do with that

bold granite
#

I thought they evolved from being close to the well of eternity which is a titan wound

midnight saddle
#

U say that but the cause of trolls evolving was the well

#

Which was titan blood

tropic trail
#

really now?

#

well damn

bold granite
#

Yeah

#

I think

midnight saddle
#

Which is the same cause of the ancients which in turn created their children races

#

And what caused freya to start linking those ancients to the emerald dream

#

Also goblins were Mimiron’s experiment

#

Basically every race can be directly connected to the titans or indirectly besides I guess the faceless and aqirs

tropic trail
#

Well that makes sense, being Shath'Yar and all

midnight saddle
#

And trolls because we don’t know if they were just elementals who escaped the ele planes or not

#

Which the ele planes were created by radan and Helya

#

To lock them away

tropic trail
#

Ahhhhh

#

So wait, how'd the main four elemental lords escape?

midnight saddle
#

When do u mean

#

Because during the black empire there were no planes

tropic trail
#

Oh

midnight saddle
#

If u mean recently they were summoned or never released

tropic trail
#

Ah sounds about right

midnight saddle
#

And if u truely think about it every race should be titan influenced somehow given the planet is a titan

tropic trail
#

Except for elves

#

They're just superevolved trolls

midnight saddle
#

Due to the well

#

Which is what again?

#

Titan blood

tropic trail
#

Well of Eternity

#

The first well, the one that torn the world apart

midnight saddle
#

Which was caused by amanthul ripping out yshaarj

tropic trail
#

Not

#

The Sundering was caused by the Burning Legion's first invasion

#

Azshara used the Well as a portal

midnight saddle
#

But the well existed before

#

Which was created by amanthul by ripping an old god out of the planet

tropic trail
#

Aman'thul ripped Y'shaarj out of pre Pandaria but he was already deep inside the planet. So he managed to curse what remained

#

One might argue the Sha is Y'shaarj's blood just like Saronite is Yogg-Saron's

#

It kinda is, but it's not