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Possible AOTC mount is an appropriate title
looks like the item itself uses the other void dragon mount model, not the storm drake recolor
that makes more sense
i dont see why this couldnt be a charhounds type mount but with some story attached
vexiona sorta came out of nowhere, so adding story is nice
could be a "only drops if youve actually done the pre-raid story" thing

Interesting
what does the client say?
MoP - Wolf
WoD - Moose
Legion - Spellwing
BFA - Uncorrupted voidwing apparently
8.2.5 still?
for some reason mine says this instead of just unavailable
A lvl 55 toon? They removed that restriction in WoD
its there for just allied races
so I think they might have just copied the code, and forgot to remove that old bit
probs
Yeah they're not supposed to be there.
someone saw an aqir rep, its probably tied to that nzoth item that is basically just ordos/falcosaur pvp again. Go nuts, get kills for mount.
actually
the mount description implies you raise ot
i think its closer to the pterrordax
wtb more netherwing stuff
wrong planet
you buy gouged eyes
which gives you a reason to do visions
they implemented the max level azerite grind
infinite dump?
uhhh
confirmed that the vision rotates each week between stormwind and orgrimmar
or
some undetermined amount of time
but they rotate
sooo
yes?
HAAAA
I clicked the DK icon and then the ally races button lol
I want to comment that my Spriest is pleased with ahead of the curve mount
race change works
also with this new bolvar audio, i guess they're finally making ARs death knights testable
haha
nice
then race change
YES
makes sense that it would be the patch after blizzcon
it will be so weird
well. when you mouse over DK class on these races, it says "requires wrath of the lich king and lvl 55"
no longer says "choose different race"
nightborne dks, im glad im not horde cause im sure therell be a few of those grimdarks around
Also you don't need to race change, just click on regular race first then switch to AR
Is that PTR Client?
yes
might be in for zandalari?
How to install that? lol
and they don't have customization yet (blue eyes)
no
theyve essentially added the id tag that says they can be dks
but nothing else
they look so happy lmaooo
but normal mechagnomes do not
eh, still got some time b4 the holidays
Lol
oh nevermind, they listened to my feedback!
Those belly..
mechagnome eyebrows, finally
wtf how do you get a version with the eyes?
the helmet gives eyes
lol
all allied races are available as dks?
hehe
@storm marsh do gnome one
yes infi
okay
thats literally the advertised feature
I feel like a lightforged dk would be weird
mogu invasion is cool
it has some stuff outside vale in kunlai
like at the entrance
well @solar minnow
Werid xD
damn, when i saw new bolvar audio released, i hoped we could test AR dks
i wonder if it's possible to access new frozen throne area
i wish Li Li is grown up
anyone know where the new vale bronze dragon is?
they removed corruption effects from crafted gear
I ask because my character is now in the old vale phase lol
theres one in kunlai
no clue why
considering the mogu assault
that might be why
not yet, that might be it
though, Ill be disappointed if the restored vale is max level only
it is
but probably wont be in SL
because they still have the old quests
hell, they might let you experience the transition
and then quest through it after
thats doable now
well, that was lame
that was the whole lili chen questline
theres a flightpoint now
thank fuck
gonna go check nzoth uldum invasion
i havent seen it since it was first on ptr and VERY broken
seems like theyre moving out of the free testing phase of PTR
and on to the way they intend it to go live
no more flaskataurs
they have a troop req too
flask and heartzertauren were gone as of last build
when they did the wipe
checking uldum vision now that they work
pet drop
splinters now come from visions
instead of raid
so you can craft the first tier before the raid
they added creepy sounds to the below 30% remaining sanity
also i fucking love those mini visions
the loot is consistent
theyre tough but fun
void beetle
lvl 20 ability
all of the new cooking meals were reworked to do different things
additional move speed
reduced cc towards you
2% health regen
no affect from sanity
and straight--up restore 100 sanity
so the no sanity one seems great
but theres effects that trigger at low sanity that can be very powerful
and it also means you get none of the kiss/curse debuffs some of the mobs give
floating nzoth assault platforms have a creepy sound now
like otherworldly magnets
i feel like the uldum nzoth assault is much better
it just feels more detailed
oooo, banners have a similar magnet-y noise
i just noticed - they finally increased the fucking view distance during the nzoth assault
mobs can be corrupted now
serious threat - lasts 30 min
also they changed the corruption thingy to show you the next effect and i assume, your current ones
yeah it shouldnt be a curse
the corrupted mobs are cool tho
its new
essentially makes them stronger and they give corruption and have new attacks
its like the mob is warforged
the mob's name changes too
the debuff has a cool particle effect
new black empire chest reward
also the ilvl of the items have gone up
theyre now 425
so they ARE an upgrade finally
i still dislike that once you do the assaults youre kinda only doing dailies after that
essentially youll be doing an assault for an hour each
so 2 hours of content
plus dailies
and then dailies every day for 30-ish min
then however often you can do horrific visions
since you need a vessel thingy, maybe 2x per week
when youre in the chamber with wrathion you can preview the map
the darker tentacle areas now drain even more santiy
the dark ones are 7
the darker are 9
also they have a different Insanity now
new model for orb
oh boy
upgrade orbs for cloak only increase it by 2 ilvl
BUT
you can find pages in the different visions
horrific and not
and each individual page gives a corrupting core
my rank 3 cloak
corruption resistance on the cloak DOES increase with ilvl/rank
and since this is volume 1, i imagine other volumes drop from other content
like one from the raid
or maybe once you get to a certain rank
We expect to update brightly-glowing eyes further in future builds of the Visions of N’Zoth PTR.
Ohboi
the irony of the Sylvanas banners right behind them, and the scarlet crusader being tortured in the background
i think it will be phased more in the future
some of them literally walked through the fence
its definitely not finished
i still dont regret removing it on my main lol
at least i have an alt with the gift..
"You do realize I am a dragon, yes? That I can breathe fire? Just making sure."
I dont even
well that velonara dialogue is disappointing
was hoping that basically the one notable dark ranger would get to stay loyal
Meh.
Making them all stay loyal is just saying "let's kill off all the Forsaken NPCs".
@uncut vault
I mean, their identity is dead anyways, might as well take the npcs
So I was looking at the PTR and I think humans have more facial features added? I'm almost positive human females at least had a few more options than live
It has been there for a while now
the gift of n'zoth is finally doing something
Nobody. Literally nobody
Anduin: YOU WERE ON HIS SIDE ALL THIS TIME?

Jaina, KiLl ThE cHaMpIoN
And just see Jaina go in MoP mode.
"Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill"
Get away from me Jaina, I don't wanna
Hell nah bro
make Jaina a world boss if she's going to try and kill the PC
the PC is hungry for loot anyway
You're an AI?
If his name is invincible, why can I see it?
It's way worse when someone says that then adds drop chance*
And says why can't I see it
bruh
Why though? Does Bolvar kill to raise like Arthas?
@tropic trail He raises the already dead
"Alright bro I'm boutta head out and ress people. PEACE"
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=169223/ashjrakamas-shroud-of-resolve&bonus=6272 any way to view the other ranks of this on wowhead?
oh so they updated calias meeting with the forsaken night elves?
"Join the Horde."
"NO."
"IT DIDN'T WORK!! ELUNE FREAKIN' DAMMIT!"
since there are new starting weapons for DKs, can we expect new starting-zone armor for them too?
if they renew the starting set (the one with the hood) i'm gonna be totally fine with it
boots can be easily replaced
Yup
they're the least visible part of mog
I like one of the Wrath PvP pants with that set so I have to use the boots too but they're chunky
So it ends up looking weird
i want a mog for DK that will be actually better than mythic Nighthold
because that's the best DK set so far
The scuffed Lich King one?
the Necrolord plate seems really good too
The helm is straight up Lich King and the gloves remind me of Dante's fist weapon in DMC4
Invisible cloaks, yay!
I rarely have cloak mogs
Usually do when I have a skimpy outfit and want the cloak to be some sort of coverup
Again though, rarely wearing cloaks
Death Knights do look cool with them, gonna admit
i use cloaks on nearly all mogs
What I like about cloaks and tabards too is that they have keyframed motion instead of being physics based
I don't like cloaks with robes either
Wide cloaks for all races!
like here
Arthas and Kael are good examples
Look at their cloaks
the cloak coming from under the shoulders
would look so nice
the idea of wings as tmog parts is also interesting
That's a shaman, yeah?
What's in his main hand?
sword
unlucky you
I'm an Alliance baby
XD
Argent Dawn Alliance players: HORDE IS EVIL
then would the cloth set be made of leaves?
both factions are just as evil
Argent dawn is the equivalent of Moonguard, they have their own cesspool named Goldshire
i know, i'm from EU
snort
i gank AD players all time
Glad I don't use warmode while leveling then xD
but they usually run in full groups
good thing i'm a tank and Poen is broken enough to solo them xD
Maybe their friend
Trade chat on Argent Dawn Alliance:
The Horde follower in Nazjatar
"Hey kids! You're all garbage!"
"Reported!"
"I'm silencing you!"
"LFG Mechagon"
"KEEP YER FEET ON DE GROUND"
places AoE that heals you for 70k each 2 seconds and deals the same amount of damage
alliance can attack me 5v1 and still die, just because of him
I actually went on a fire mage class trial to AD Goldshire and sold “tactical nukes” for 1 silver, just use the fire mage abilities to summon a fiery effect on the ground and the meteor thing and what not. On my best day I made 1k gold.
Ah well. Gotta go, lunch break's done
good thing you didn't see Burning Legion's trade chat
See you in a lifetime
i remember my guildie going for our first mythic Uldir and getting a 395 cloak with socket
he made 2 millions gold in one day
they said that we still have World Quests in Shadowlands?
Yeah
I am from Argent Dawn. Never saw what is inside Goldshire. But i sure love when some Outland-server Alliance guy crying to my whisper-chat after some pvp beating.
Noting is better than this reaction of guy from pvp server when some rper just kill him..again and again.
that's all they can do
crying works for them pretty fine
they managed to get 30% warmode buff and free gear every week just by crying
i've seen something that the warmode is going to be changed again
to balance the realms more
<expect more crying from alliance players being "ganked too much">
is shadowlands conneted to azeroth or universe?
it's like Emerald Dream
the difference is ED is connected just to Azeroth
Shadowlands are a realm where everything that dies goes there
(excluding Demons that go to Twisting Nether etc.)
so I've heard that fourth war made by sylvanas made some unrest in there
but for example burning crusade would have made more death throughout the universe than some one planet conflict
the difference is that something broke the "death machine"
which i believe was us killing Argus
so all the death caused by Legion so far wouldn't really change much
Argus
Pyromancer actually recently made a video connecting him, to the mount we get and the transmog
from the Heroic Edition.
In his files he's known as Deathtitan
So I'll agree with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCx9J-VG-I video in question
The End of everything... is just the beginning. Thank you so much for watching! Check out my links below! Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/pyromancer Twitch:...
@tropic trail @cyan prairie @normal niche
though pyromancer has always been tinfoily and mad speculations
so he should be taken with a big grain of salt 🤔
you throw so much shit at a board you're gonna hit something
You’re*
didn't watch that video, but i guess we can all say that Argus is a Titan of Death
his spells, weapon etc.
and now his design really fits the Shadowlands
And i believe that,though the remaining 30mins
the color pattern
Are sketchy
what 30 mins?
His aesthetic doesn’t match the shadowlands at all
Also the death titan stuff was never canonically confirmed
What's up gamers
well it is speculation, there's a thread on mmochampion that speculates on whether Bolvar would replace the Jailor or not, although there's much that we don't know yet, we only know the basics.
His files are called Death Titan and didn't someone at BlizzCon say he was the Titan of death?
What's the topic this morning
Pretty sure it’s just in the files
Don’t think any lore people have called him a death titan, it’s just the internal name
Well...
It might not be outright stated in-game, but he was referred to as such on-stage, his files are called Death Titan.
On top of that, he wears a skull, carries a scythe and has several spells referencing "the end"
exactly.
I could see him being related to the Shadowlands in some way, but not the way Pyromancer titles him "the true god of death"
I just can't see a skull and a scythe belonging to a cosmic force aside from Death, personally.
And as for Pyromancer.
He has some cool thoughts, but he goes waaaaay overboard with them and how sure he seems of them.
I guess heavily speculating on wow lore would make anyone insane.
The problem is he guesses about everything
Several times
And never admits he is wrong
Eventually he gets stuff right because he guesses so many things
A broken clock is right twice a day
him being related to shadowlands is a given,seeing as how the preorder armor,and the scythe have the exact same color pattern,other than that,its very tinfoil hat,and it shouldnt be taken as absolute fact
don't forget Argus is pretty much only driven to bring the end of everything
because of being tortured for so long
and when he then gets his physical form, that we fight, he could just shape things how he wanted at the time
yes
so it could be that if it wasn't for that, we'd see him more closely like how things are in the Shadowlands (seeing as how his scythe and colors fit with the pre-order stuff)
The Kyrians look very similar to him, honestly.
Blue skin, human figure, golden clothing and objects.
and if anything I'd only be willing to bet Argus was what/who kept the Jailor and The Maw in check for the most part
@hasty tendon the preorder set(and argus) is most similar to the main hub city's architecture(ORIBOS)
Yeah, I know that.
the wavy patterns on the pillars are the same as the shoulders
the serpent figure in the chestpiece,is literally the icon of oribos in the map
I'm just also saying we have a race from Shadowlands that fits that aesthetic, as well.
has peach yelled that this pyro dude has all his facts wrong today?
yes
aww i missed it
Argus has more of a "brutish elegance" (akin to the Keepers in Halls of Origination) formed by his rage after being subject to eons of torture and suffering, while the Shadowlands have kind of an "advanced regal elegance".. atleast that's my take on it.
i think that his appearance mught be like that to show that his souls was tortured (the thorns in his body etc.)
And I'm back! You failed to keep me away
but the color pattern, the "mist" around him or even his apperance alone fit pretty good
also
didn't we get his model
without the crown?
that was never used?
can i see this model
his style and design is indeed close, to the Constellations
like
his scythe
mainly
not the body but his scythe, the blue color of it
the normal one
the pattern on it also looks like it
and the whole idea of his weapon alone
i mean
Is that Pigeon's weapon?
what can symbolize death more, than a Scythe?
A skull
Yup
@cyan prairie can you show me arguss model without the mask
A skull mace
inb4 they use that in shadowlands
his face is pretty... dead?
Unded
kinda ressembles a skullish eredar
@smoky mural
which makes sense since he is well argus the homeland of the eredar
like i imagine azeroth would be a troll
We need more decay/rot over DK characters
Fun fact.
The Goblin Update seems to have removed the rot from their dk skins.
Which sucks.
lol i just realised that his head has no upper part
yeah but that could also just be a bugged model
Yeah, we can't really confirm that as Canon.
We were never meant to peer beneath the helmet.
spongebob: bald! bald! bald!
{insert Baldmongold joke here}
We can’t confirm the armorless one as canon either
It never appeared
Also the aesthetic with the preorder armor is not the same
I don’t know why you think the aesthetic is the same
They both have metal?
There’s no blue or red
It’s not even the same color metal
they have the same color pattern - gold and blue
One is gold (Argus) the other is bronze
and the effects around them are the same
and Sylvanas has slighly more red armor than Sira does
I can’t record them....
I love you guys xD
but they both represent the Forsaken
Yeah but like
a lot of things cosmic/golden looking or blue often have something to do with Death,Titans,or Creation
Also the serpent in Mogu'shan
Algalon has the stars aesthetic like argus’ scythe
AND THE SERPENT
Uldir is the same bronze as the armor
Uldir is golden, due to Zandalari aetethics
No it isn’t
everything on Zandalar looks like it
Go look at the uldir armor and the interior
Great seal, whole Dazar'alor
there is a recolor of uldir armor that is gold
Great Seal is gold
isnt there
Uldir is not
it is
Yeah
and this part of the interior looks like that because its dark
Did anyone else call MOTHER mom during the fight?
it's M.O.T.H.E.R,blizz being funny with acronyms
"GET HER! LEMME GET LAST HIT ON MOM"
It’s only gold in specific parts
The majority of the structure is bronze
Yeah the outside is different
This is clearly a different color
I don’t know what to tell you
Maybe you’re color blind?
is that bronze to you too?
The art station palettes are different
Dazar is gold
Uldir is bronze
The armor is even bronze
Mythic armor is gold
Mythic armor isn’t the color of the metal in uldir
The ground is the bronze I linked
these armor sets look different depending on the armor type
with their color patterns
This is the same color metal as the majority of uldir
It is the same as the transmog set
Nvm I’m apparently wrong
The image on my phone is legit wrong
Wtf
It’s like it saved the wrong color palette
I don’t even understand
That’s like the third time that has happened with wowhead images
Wtf
The armor is gold
I don’t even
Sorry
I still don’t think it has to do with Argus tho
peach being wrong and saying sorry
Maybe the titans
omg thats rarer than a legion legendary
I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe your phone is colourblind?
😉
Its less rare than Pyromancer apologizing after being wrong.
My phone is fucked that’s for sure
Pyromancer literally never apologizes
It’s the worst
Argus has some death-specific parts, like the weapon (let's say the weapon represents the role - Aggramar and Sargeras were warrriors, so they used swords), spells like Fog of Death, End of All Things etc. And now the color palette with the preorder armor and mount. That's why there's so much around him,
and yeah, something broke the machine of death as it was mentioned on BLizzcon
Yes but I don’t think Argus is the machine
That would mean death would never work again
what "big" happened between TBC and Legion (Big enough to cause something like that)
Engine of Death
is the machine the Helm of Domination?
The universe still functions without them
I still think the machine is a figure of speech
There was something about Argus being older than all the other titans
It’s pretty common in English
not sure where tho
figure of speech?
yup
I'll go back to saying that I believe Argus is what shackled/held back The Jailor and The Maw
when something is said in a non-literal sense
wait
isn't that what a figure of speech is?
wait
Argus was the death titan apparently?
Yeah
From the nether
Demons don’t go to the shadowlands
Theoretically it’s possible any titan could be used
I wonder what titan Azeroth will be
Likely shadow/void if we screw up with the old gods
Argus was also sent back in time or something like that by Aman'thul
wasn't he?
I do not remember that
didn't heard anything like that
I think it was like
Probably to be put back in a dormant state?
i think that Argus' soul could be used for something more than just bringing back Demons to life
something just feels wrong with it and idk what exactly
Maybe he could screw the whole universe over
yeah, he is
So he’s just gone forever
yup, and death of a titan isn't something small
I mean
I don’t think it would be a big deal
''DEATH... DEATH.. AND PAIN''
Yup
It’s not the end of the function of the universe
The universe functions without the titans
there is a difference here
It’s just chaotic
Ded
not all planets had Titan souls in them
But Sargeras killed plenty that did
That’s my point
He killed a ton of pre birth titans
it seems like it isn't something common
why would he want Azeroth destroyed so much if there are more planets?
why woul he focus this much just on Azeroth
SARGERAS DID NOTHING WRONG
Because it was already corrupted
like many other planets
The others he was killing as a preemptive measure
No
He had never found a corrupt titan planet
Corrupt planets yes
And titan planets
Azeroth was the first titan planet with old gods Sargeras saw
Oh yeah
So Azeroth would be corrupted if it was to birth then?
The one that started his crusade
If the old gods win
Yes
That’s why the titans built the prisons
And created the titan keepers
I know that but
the planet itself has received a lot of damages to it.
back to titans - all the Titans from the Pantheon killed by Sargeras died, but their souls survived
meanwhile we know that Argus died to death and he's ded for good
cataclysm,azerite erupting in most places, the sword in that one vanilla zone
Sargeras kept them
To try to turn them to his side
Outside the pantheon
Yeah
Sargeras went on a rampage, he killed a void corrupted planet in one of the books.
It was a void corrupted titan
that wasn't born
his sword basically cleaved it
I think
Yup
Yep
how could Aman'thul, Khaz'goroth, Aggramar etc. be killed before being born?
but i was talking about them
There were titans outside the pantheon
That weren’t born
That weren’t names
Named
That are now dead
Souls lost
No consequences
yeah, but look, he killed titans that weren't born yet
so they died for good
but the titans that were born already, didn't really die
that's what the 9th fight in Antorus was about
SARGERAS KEPT THE KNOWN TITANS'SOULS TO TRY TO GET THEM TO HIS SIDE
Life titan
Yeah but like
Killing Argus shouldn’t be different than killing a dormant titan
Azeroth is dormant and has power
So why would destroying a dormant titan soul be different than us killing Argus?
Azeroth is the most powerful titan
It shouldn’t be
I bet she's gonna end up void corrupted and we defeat her and try to cleanse her at some point
Holy crap, new arthas model for 9.0
i wouldn't be surprised if Azeroth becomes a villain in the end
Laugh if you want but I did call out N'zoth being the final boss
And the first free old god
and that all our effort to defend her only made things worse
That would be dumb
We can’t kill her
We all die
We can’t free her
We all die
She can never be free
Azeroth die = End of World of Warcraft
Magni be like "HANG ON LASS DON'T DIE"
"what are we, if not slaves to this torment?"
Azeroth "SHUT UP I'M TRYING"
The burning does make more sense now
idk what that is but I feel hurt
And why she was so quick to jump to it
I think Nathanos was wondering what he should have for dinner and that's why Sylvanas had to repeat herself
btw since someone mentioned Magni
"Burn it."
"I wonder what I should have for dinner tonight."
"BURN IT!"
Noticed the Windrunner sisters have a shared weak spot for humans?
Sylvanas and Nathanos, Alleria and Turalyon, Veressa and Rhonin
fun fact, 2 of them already died
well yes, but actually no
So does Nathanos die in the worgen heritage armor quest?
YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR THE HEAD
with the snap of my finger half of the living will cease to exist.
for the banshee queen
yup
I think a guildie hates me xD
He got disconnected, relogged and said "Love DC's"
So I said "I like Marvel better"
I think he hates me now XD
My brother won a scarf from a beer promotion
He gave it to me cause I'm obsessed with wearing scarves
really no new spoilers all day?
does the fact that you can buy the new DK swords count?
yes
Screenshots or faek
He said the 1h was missing
the 1hander is there
What kind of logic is that
Why put a 2 hand in BfA for Frosts if currently as a frost you forcefully need a 1h
they did that in legion too with the ebon blade armaments
1 hand and 2 hands for every spec color
Yep
are the allied races/pandaren dks still not supposed to be unlockable in ptr?
Nope
You can view them if you click on a race that can be DK then swap to them, but nothing else yet.
No Blue Eyes for them yet or DK skins
No customization at all yet
No skins eyes hair and hair colors
But skin colors are supposedly planned
ah i see, thanks
found this - no idea what it does
thinking its for chalcedony serpent
havent seen it tho
WHAT?
female mogu!
were these a thing before and i didnt know?
Yes.
Just, very rare.
They are from when Mogu used to be flesh.
Kinda like how Earthen and Vrykul only had males prior to the Curse of Flesh.
Imagine that. Being a man robot then waking up with boobs.
@dense plover
😛
Mogu AR confirmed!!!!!
Peach. Your quite a few weeks behind xD
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Peach
Did you do raids in MoP?
in throne there were 2 female mogu
Lei Shen had them like trophies because female mogu are so rare
Fem Mogu are rare, but if they became an AR they’d become super common
Wasn't the Twins boss in Throne of Thunder 2 lady Mogu?
Oh whoops
Makore beat me to it. Should have scrolled down.
lei shen had them as trophies because he killed the rest
actually im wrong he didnt kill the rest
he created them
yeah
they had no females b/c they were stone people
same with vrykul
possibly other non mortal races too
like dwarves and gnomes
there's a max level for the hearth of azeroth?
i just wanna know how much i will need to farm
Trolls and elves are the only native races playable that are not titan created correct?
Goblins, Tauren, Pandaren
Those should be the only non-titan races, elves are just evolved trolls with some magic in there
Ah i always forget them
and trolls should be titan, right?
No?
I thought they ere around during the black empire? Could be wrong don't know mutch
Pandaren are probably another ancient child race like taurens
Which would mean indirectly titan caused
And night elves with the well
I would at least think Centaur are a non-titan race
O another indirect titan
I thought they evolved from being close to the well of eternity which is a titan wound
Which is the same cause of the ancients which in turn created their children races
And what caused freya to start linking those ancients to the emerald dream
Also goblins were Mimiron’s experiment
Basically every race can be directly connected to the titans or indirectly besides I guess the faceless and aqirs
Well that makes sense, being Shath'Yar and all
And trolls because we don’t know if they were just elementals who escaped the ele planes or not
Which the ele planes were created by radan and Helya
To lock them away
Oh
If u mean recently they were summoned or never released
Ah sounds about right
And if u truely think about it every race should be titan influenced somehow given the planet is a titan
Which was caused by amanthul ripping out yshaarj
Not
The Sundering was caused by the Burning Legion's first invasion
Azshara used the Well as a portal

