visions item is now 1000 instead of 200
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
they need to rebalance assault rewards since those only give 200
its probably gonna be changed to be 1000 from assaults
idk why they increased it
theyre essentially making it hard to do the PvE content
like - assaults are realistically the only way to get enough
cyan prairie
Does Ny'alotha have any cloaks in the loot list?
cyan prairie
Maybe they will remove them also from M+ rewards?
Would be nice if we didn't get useless items
strange falcon
Idk if theyll remove it from m+ tho
tranquil steeple
ehhh nah
cyan prairie
I hope they will
strange falcon
It would cause confusion
dense plover
they wont
tranquil steeple
they're not gonna remove loot from content already there
dense plover
^
tranquil steeple
they're introducing another piece of content without a certain itemdrop due to another important item
for that specific itemslot
strange falcon
If you didnt get leggo cloak,and did m+ and you can never gear that slot until you get the cloak
Its stupid
cyan prairie
Is getting the legendary cloak anything difficult?
strange falcon
You cant count on people to do the story first before m+,its called game design
tranquil steeple
doubt it's going to be really difficult to get, but it might be a bit difficult to get it upgrades
cyan prairie
They still have 2 months to make changes
Imo they should remove cloaks from loot table and make some catch-up mechanics for alts
With the cloak levelling
dense plover
they fixed the water!
sullen dawn
i dont think we'll get a CGI level cinematic
cyan prairie
Since its effect makes all cloaks literally useless
dense plover
i dont think so either tbh
tranquil steeple
I really think they shouldn't mess with Dungeons' loottables JUST because of the legendary cloak.
sullen dawn
rendering N'Zoth and whoever else at that level makes no sense for one cinematic
we got a lot of saurfang/sylvanas ones cos they could reuse assets
tranquil steeple
besides the Corruption being the new titanforging option for 8.3
sullen dawn
next CGI will be shadowlands
cyan prairie
I doubt anyone would like to change their leg cloak to any other that has no corruption reduction
It'd be like using normal weapon in Legion instead of artifact just because of ilvl upgrade
tranquil steeple
If non-legendary cloak has better stats, and the player has no Corruption, aswell as the cloaks being as close to equal ilvl, I don't see why not
dense plover
^
cyan prairie
Because the whole new system seems to be based on corruption balancing
dense plover
only raid gear has corruption
if you dont raid, legendary cloak is only useful for horrific visions
cyan prairie
I doubt some tiny stats would be better than % upgrades
tranquil steeple
I mean besides the secondary stats being more jack-of-all-trades style, and it being legendary
dense plover
which means an M+ cloak will be useful outside of that
tranquil steeple
it's not really THAT much better
dense plover
not to mention we dont know how the upgrades are earned
tranquil steeple
and even then there are some classes/specs desiring more crit, haste, or mastery independently
instead of some of all
dense plover
you might be able to get a +15 mythic cloak before you can make the leggo cloak equivalent
tranquil steeple
not to mention Socket rolls
cyan prairie
Benthic gear was better than other items due to effects
tranquil steeple
the Legendary cloak is good, don't get me wrong, it's just that a lot of it's power is in being scaleable and having some of everything
more than simply being better than everything at equal iLvl
strange falcon
People using 875ilvl unstable arcanocrystal in antorus mythic 
That tells you all you need to know
About m+ cloaks
cyan prairie
It gave you effects i
Instead of small stat upgrades
That's why i think that M+ cloaks are going to be useless
tranquil steeple
it gives corruption resistance, and an extra secondary stat while reducing the secondary stat increase from all three secondaries
cyan prairie
It's better to have some corrupted gear with cloak than non-corrupted gear without the cloak
tranquil steeple
besides that all it has going for it is "oh look it has orange text"
after that we've also got WW monks who desperately desire Versatility... which the cloak got none of
strange falcon
Corrupted gear is only from raid,so there WILL be someone in m+ with 0 corrupted pieces
cyan prairie
3% crit dmg boots on EP are better than bis stats 455 ones from M+/Raid
strange falcon
Thats EP though
cyan prairie
Yeah and now the corrupted gear will take place of benthics
tranquil steeple
because that's EP, and the 3% increase was better than the 30 ilvl difference
pretty much same way the Corrupted gear is going to be in 8.3
only you need Corruption resistance to properly make use of it without downsides to using it
and you can cleanse the corruption, though we haven't seen much of that yet.
cyan prairie
That's what makes other cloaks useless - i don't think that that 40 more mastery is going to be better than having multiple items with effects
Just not worth it
strange falcon
if you dont raid,you never even smell corrupted items
That is the start and end of it
tranquil steeple
Ehhh.. Dafire
Corruption's replacing Titanforging for 8.3
not just for raiding iirc
strange falcon
🤔
tranquil steeple
I think the only exception will be weekly chest, but not 100% sure of that
strange falcon
As a game designer you have to consider all scenarios in any case,even one when a persons super unlucky and never titanforges
dense plover
uh
no
no it isnt
it literally only is for raid gear
and titanforging is just gone above a certain ilvl
tranquil steeple
wait huh, really
dense plover
i have not seen any corruption gear except raid gear
cyan prairie
Imagine getting multiple cloaks from m+ rewards when all of them are only good for disenchanting
dense plover
they might add it, but if they do, it isnt in yet
strange falcon
Not the first time
tranquil steeple
that's how it is already after people get 430-440 gear equipped
almost everything is either sold, disenchanted or scrapped
dense plover
LOREWALKER CHO's VO is in!!!!
tranquil steeple
unless you're mythic raiding EP
cyan prairie
The diference is that the current cloaks are just... Cloaks
They don't do anything
They don't make you swap whole gear
zealous basalt
You guys
tranquil steeple
they do everything other items (besides trinkets and weapons) do
cyan prairie
Because of corruption
dense plover
the legendary cloak in Mists didnt stop them having cloaks from challenge content
zealous basalt
Ain't seeing that those cloaks will give golds
tranquil steeple
and HFC had rings
zealous basalt
Besides
dense plover
yup
cyan prairie
U have 2 rings
cyan prairie
Not one
dense plover
so this is an improvement over previous expacs
tranquil steeple
and I'm pretty sure only reason Legion didn't have weapon drops was specifically
because artifact weapons
DRUM ROLL
entire expansion
dense plover
^
tranquil steeple
ENTIRE expansion
cyan prairie
They will be useless
zealous basalt
Let's not make a big drama on something so small
cyan prairie
That's what
zealous basalt
So?
tranquil steeple
that's up to every player to decide
zealous basalt
It is the same for gear
tranquil steeple
like I said WW Monks want Versatility... cloak got none
cyan prairie
But the corruption gear gives you effects
tranquil steeple
so until they get anything that helps with Versatility from corrupted... cloak is useless
zealous basalt
The small bit of more vers
tranquil steeple
same way normal cloaks will be useless to people already using the legendary cloak
it all depends on the class and spec of each player
if they get a much higher ilvl cloak from drop or not
cyan prairie
The stat diference from cloaks isn't worth wearing uncorrupted gear
tranquil steeple
if they get socket roll on their higher ilvl cloak
zealous basalt
You don't know how important vers is right
tranquil steeple
and if it has good stats
case in point like was mentioned earlier about Arcanocrystal from Legion
zealous basalt
And besides bold of you to believe that high ilvl cloaks won't ge good against a new legendary
dense plover
radens raid model is implemented finally
tranquil steeple
875 version still used in Mythic Antorus
'cause stats were too good to miss out on
dense plover
fury of nzoth got upgraded
cyan prairie
So let's compare
A tiny stat diference > multiple effects on gear?
tranquil steeple
we're comparing the CLOAKS themselves
cyan prairie
But the cloak changes the way your gear works due to the corruption reducing
tranquil steeple
since you want to say "we should remove cloaks from M+ 'cause they're irrelevant"
but we're saying "no because there are still good cloaks to get for players that want specific stats"
zealous basalt
Just leave them be
tranquil steeple
like WW monks
cyan prairie
I doubt people would use arcanocrystal instead of set items in Legion...
cyan prairie
Yes because there were two slots that didn't collide with each other
Now it would be like replacing HoA with normal necklace because "20 more Versa"
tranquil steeple
replacing an intended to be overpowered piece of gear related to the entire expansion
for a different shit one...
right, nah.
there's a reason there are no necklace drops in BfA
'cause Heart of Azeroth
cyan prairie
Replacing multiple effects on gear that will do much more than some tiny stat upgrade
zealous basalt
Again you don't seem to know how important vers Is
tranquil steeple
you want to remove dungeon/M+ cloaks BECAUSE of a legendary cloak
not because of the effects of RNG upgraded gear
cyan prairie
Will that 20 more vers on cloak make an upgrade when compared to gear better?
zealous basalt
You can still wear corrupted items with few corruption with no cloak
cyan prairie
I doubt it
tranquil steeple
"the legendary is better than other cloaks so we should remove cloaks"
is effectively what you argue
zealous basalt
If that's the case let's remove all low level gear
Because end game gear is better
tranquil steeple
it's not even 20 more vers
zealous basalt
Again the cloak doesn't activate kiss curse effects
tranquil steeple
it's 80
since Legendary cloak gives NO VERSA
only Crit, Haste and Mastery
and then corruption resistance
which by itself does nothing
since we're arguing cloaks, NOT the other gear
zealous basalt
You aren't thinking well
A brand new cloak won't be better than... Let's say a +10 cloak
dense plover
zealous basalt
That's what you aren't getting, that at first it might not be powerful
Gods peach
Clean those bags
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
Kden
cyan prairie
I was talking about swapping whole gear not the cloak only. Using a normal cloak will make corrupted gear useless
cyan prairie
What will make it worse than your tiny Versa loss
zealous basalt
That's not true
And again you don't seem to know how versa works
Or the cloak itself
cyan prairie
The cloak reduces the corruption, without it using the corrupted gear would make it a bad idea
tranquil steeple
the first thing you mentioned after asking if cloaks dropped in Ny'aloth was if cloaks were going to be removed from M+ because of the legendary cloak
zealous basalt
Again
Not how it works
You can still use corruption items without resistence
The lowest tier but still a win
Which is
Guess what, how everyone will be using it until the cloak is empowered
Now when the cloak is empowered it might be better than a full +10 cloak
tranquil steeple
350, for the Legendary cloak? wot
tranquil steeple
I remember seeing it at 425, but that was while it was bugged on the PTR
cyan prairie
No other item will reach 495 since the new upgrades don't give ilvl boosts
zealous basalt
And we still don't know what actually makes the cloak level up
cyan prairie
I guess doing the scenario
zealous basalt
Or how fast it will
cyan prairie
As a weekly thing
tranquil steeple
ok so if Corruption actually only affects the raid and other relevant 8.3 content
cyan prairie
And now clearing the corruption from gear is like undoing Warforging/Titanforging from items
tranquil steeple
that should still mean that M+ gear can titanforge
cyan prairie
Nope
zealous basalt
It affects m´
cyan prairie
Corruption replaces Titanforging itself
zealous basalt
m+
dense plover
no it doesnt
it doesnt replace titanforging
it replaces it for raid gear
IE raid gear doesnt titanforge
zealous basalt
Gear can titanforge
zealous basalt
but only with a cap
dense plover
yes
dense plover
i assume so? idk
zealous basalt
they said it
cyan prairie
Wasn't it said that all gear will be corruptforged instead of Titanforging
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
No
tranquil steeple
cyan prairie
Mythic keystone s4
dense plover
and I havent seen anything get corruption that doesnt already have it
cyan prairie
So it affects the M+
strange falcon
ah shit,here we go again
tranquil steeple
I guess later on in PTR we'll have to test M+ for corruption
unless they back down on having M+ gear roll for corruption
zealous basalt
Still have to see
cyan prairie
If the corruption replaces all of the gear upgrades then i see no reason not to use the legendary cloak
tranquil steeple
still, assuming the from-dungeon iLvls stay similar to the raid (HC level from +10 or higher)
cyan prairie
The gear will go up by 30 ilvls as always
But without reaching the cap this time
Except for the cloak and HoA
tranquil steeple
and that the legendary cloak follows the raid's difficulties in terms of iLvls on each upgrade stage
then we'll be looking at 480 iLvl cloaks
which are still usable
cyan prairie
Cloak was capped on 495
zealous basalt
If your cloak is really weak
Because for real
If you have the cloak at upgrade level 1 against a cloak that is full of your main stat at a very high level
dense plover
the obelisks make creepy sounds now
zealous basalt
I think you would like to use that very high ilvl cloak
If you can bear corruption
Obviously you aren't going to be an idiot having full 25 corruption gear
Let's use the head
tranquil steeple
like DH mains don't do? 
zealous basalt
Even with the cloak at level 1 ---
HAH
Even with the cloak at level 1 you won't be able to bear so much corruption
cyan prairie
Ugh... How can anyone main a DH?
tranquil steeple
I say as a previous DH main in Legion.. cri
tropic trail
Wait wait wait. Bring me up to speed, please xD
cyan prairie
It's half of a class...
zealous basalt
By not using the head
Literally it is just
Do nothing
And have a lot of dps
like dks back in Wotlk
cyan prairie
Do top dps by drifting your forehead on keyboard
tranquil steeple
afaik, Lyo, Mauldrak feels we should remove cloak drops from M+ because the legendary cloak is just better (in combination with 8.3's titanforging: Corrupted gear)
tropic trail
People say monks have too much downtime between Touch of Deaths. I show them how wrong they are in duels xD
cyan prairie
The raid doesn't drop any cloaks already so...
dense plover
they arent gonna remove cloaks from other content
dense plover
this is a pointless discussion since it wont haoppen
tropic trail
OR SCRAP EM IN BORALUS
cyan prairie
Zuldazar*
tranquil steeple
Boralus/Zuldazar
tropic trail
I easily made 20k just selling mats from scrapped gear
tranquil steeple
and I can even go further and go
cyan prairie
But you get the idea - let's say u have full gear already
tropic trail
Also I said Boralus cause I'm an Alliance extremist xD
tranquil steeple
Dazar'alor*
cyan prairie
With corruption balanced etc
And then you get a cloak
The most useless item you could get
tropic trail
Wrong
tranquil steeple
again, just like all other items you got FOR THE OTHER ITEMSLOTS
tropic trail
The most useless item would be an intellect staff drop for brewmaster
zealous basalt
Yeah
tropic trail
Like I had for half the first BfA patch
tranquil steeple
Sell or Scrap it like you do other gear that's lower ilvl than what you got right now
Problem solved
tropic trail
I was forced to play Brewmaster with an intellect staff whenever I was filling :(
tranquil steeple
don't HAVE to remove ALL cloaks just because of one special case at the last big patch for the expansion
cyan prairie
I'd rather have one less useless item, but it might be just because i spam everything to gear my main as fast as i can when the tier starts
tropic trail
"MONK, FILL."
Me "k"
tranquil steeple
for a new system dedicated to that last big patch of the expansion
zealous basalt
You
But not other people
Other people just dont care about new items
They either sell it or scrap it
Problem solved
If its not broken don't try to fix it
tropic trail
Cloaks are great though. If you're a transmog hoarder
Easiest Fashionista achievement
tranquil steeple
I realize saying "I wanted to say (X or Y)" is technically saying it, but
I wanted to say "like people that think"
cyan prairie
They should bring back azerite gear drops from m+ then too
tropic trail
Gotta wonder if the legendary cloak will carry us through Shadowlands like the WoD rings did through Legion
tranquil steeple
Uh
tropic trail
I wore the ring till 110
cyan prairie
Like it used in 8.0 for some time
cyan prairie
There was
tranquil steeple
but not M+
cyan prairie
Yeah and weekly doesn't drop it now
tranquil steeple
and they realized having a big part of the EXPANSION be an RNG chance to get at high iLvl
was a bad idea
and then added Titan Residuum
as a currency drop to the Weekly Chest
tropic trail
I hope the consolation reward from Shadowlands m+ chests isn't just anima
zealous basalt
Which is not comparable to cloaks being in M+ even if Legendary cloak exist
Just like the Legendary cloak in MoP
tranquil steeple
there's a difference between expansion feature items, and last patch's flavor content
cyan prairie
You will get a list of 5 items to choose from
And i don't think azerite gear will survive BfA
cyan prairie
Or any other new version of it
tranquil steeple
Azerite gear will prolly only work for a few levels, like Legion legendaries at most
cyan prairie
Just bring back set gear
zealous basalt
Nah
tropic trail
Next expansion after Shadowlands: BfA. Back for Apexis
cyan prairie
Don't think so
tranquil steeple
Blizz has said they plan on doing more set combinations of gear
cyan prairie
Azerite gear works due to HoA
tranquil steeple
but more of a 2-3 item set
cyan prairie
Azerite gear works due to HoA
cyan prairie
If HoA gets Broken, the Azerite gear too
dense plover
HoA isnt getting broken
tranquil steeple
Yeah so, again
cyan prairie
We don't know it yet
dense plover
youre going to be able to use Azerite gear and essences in timewalking stuff
they literally said this ^
tranquil steeple
just make the Heart of Azeroth's equip have level cap on activation
zealous basalt
HoA just wont work in Shadowlands
tropic trail
Are we just depleting the power of the HoA lorewise so now it's just a pretty necklace?
dense plover
unlike artifact where only the key ability still worked
tranquil steeple
JUST LIKE LEGION LEGENDARIES
tranquil steeple
after 115, Legion Legendaries are stat items
tranquil steeple
so we do the same with HoA
so for example at 55
HoA equip is gone
AKA no more Azerite Gear functionality
DONE
zealous basalt
yo mama dab
tropic trail
I'll miss the free Fists of Fury chi return
dense plover
just had an item upgrade
cyan prairie
Give my Odyn's Fury back at least for timewalking... ;¬;
tropic trail
I'll also miss Rising Sun Kick kicking twice :(
dense plover
but it didnt get new ilvl
cyan prairie
This is different
tranquil steeple
Indestructible, Avoidance, Leech and Sockets are different
cyan prairie
Stats like speed, avoidance, leech and indestructible aren't part of TF
zealous basalt
Since leech is still in game it was obvious it would be there
tranquil steeple
oh yeah Speed too
zealous basalt
SPEED
dense plover
yeah i just wasnt sure the upgrades would stay or not
cyan prairie
Just a random independant upgrade
dense plover
they do
tropic trail
IS KEY
tropic trail
Yea
tranquil steeple
which is gone because artifacts were killed to drain Sargeras' sword
cyan prairie
Yeah it was fury artifact ability
tropic trail
Rip Strike of the Windlord
tranquil steeple
like all other Artifacts' abilities
dense plover
yeah theyre going about this differently
essences and azerite armor will still function below what will be level 50
or theoretically 51 maybe?
tropic trail
Bring bacc artifacc abiliti
dense plover
not to mention all your artifact's talents
tranquil steeple
and Ret Pala's talent version of it has a longer CD
45 sec vs Artifact's 30 sec
zealous basalt
and it burns
Leave a dot of radiant
I am sad that they don't really implement multi school abilities for when you are interrupted
tropic trail
ME TOO MAK. Double RSK was the best
tropic trail
Did you know pallies could one shot demons and unded in Legion? And turn em to ash
tranquil steeple
Ye rarely you could
cyan prairie
But stun
zealous basalt
Same with gust of wind with Ww
tropic trail
Yea
zealous basalt
i thought the artifacts would have the talents baselined
tranquil steeple
I wish 
tranquil steeple
like if Blizz had actually just
made us get a slow increase of power from getting the Artifact Weapon's traits
while leveling to cap
we wouldn't feel so bad from leveling.
tropic trail
If they would buff that talent that deals some damage's damage and make it slow, it'd be Strike of the Windlord 2.0
cyan prairie
Some artifact abillities that became talents in BfA are even more broken now
zealous basalt
Like
tropic trail
With the difference being it generates chi
cyan prairie
Like Arms warr Warbreaker
cyan prairie
Deals 200k crits with Blood of The Enemy
tropic trail
Wah
cyan prairie
And 3 LoW traits
tranquil steeple
I'd like to introduce you to Frost Mages then
zealous basalt
It would deeal more with the dot and shadow damage
tranquil steeple
and their Glacial Spike
zealous basalt
nopls
cyan prairie
500k DPS on trash in S2
zealous basalt
That's a fucking RPG
cyan prairie
Outlaw rogues could shit themselves
tropic trail
Velf frost mages are OP
tranquil steeple
Or even Demon Hunters and their Eye Beam -> Fel Barrage
tropic trail
DH ripped off monks
zealous basalt
We don't talk about Demon hunters
tropic trail
WoD Chi Torpedo = Fel Rush
cyan prairie
Nothing beats frog jumping with 3 heroic leaps from Legion
tropic trail
WoD FoF = Eye Beam
cyan prairie
Stealing alliance flags and taking them to bases in WSG in seconds
tranquil steeple
do I dare to mention blood DK in WPvP in Legion...?
zealous basalt
Yeah but WoD FoF stunned the shit out of people
tropic trail
True
zealous basalt
it is not as mortal as MoP's FoF
cyan prairie
I miss my duels with BDKs in Legion
zealous basalt
With WoD it was just one stun
but in MoP it was one stun per second
And it was out of the disminishing returns
tranquil steeple
obviously so it could actually stun every hit, as intended
tropic trail
Dunno. Played MW only in MoP
And I only got to level 88 then prepatch for WoD started
cyan prairie
Bring back unkillable tanks, so they can actually feel like tanks
tropic trail
Slow
cyan prairie
Balanced class?
zealous basalt
No
zealous basalt
it was the definition of broken
tranquil steeple
Y'know, Imma be real and say... For Prot pala, I kinda want Seraphim to last longer (and maybe have some more defensive) but replace Avenging Wrath
zealous basalt
Oh
And ignored armor
So against a warrior or a paladin or a death knight it made them look like mages
cyan prairie
I want self healing for prot Warr back
tropic trail
I want WoD mana tea back
tranquil steeple
Take the Victory Rush talent replacer
tropic trail
It's why I stopped playing MW
cyan prairie
Not worth it
cyan prairie
Low self heal, Haste buff is better
tranquil steeple
Well, more like all Prot Warrs CAN get
tropic trail
Just noticed Sel is now Tom xD
cyan prairie
In Legion i had insane healing without impending victory
Now i would need to waste one talent for one weak self healing spell
Not worth it
zealous basalt
But its compensed with the stupid amount of damage you can take
Warriors arguably can take more damage than any other tank
tranquil steeple
Only who could beat Prot Warrs
zealous basalt
And unlike monks you don't have to care about it later
tranquil steeple
would be BM Monks
zealous basalt
Yeah but monks need to optimize how do they take damage
zealous basalt
I like that warriors doesn't have a lot of healing, it kinda fits on the fantasy of a burd warrior that takes a lot
cyan prairie
That's how i think each of them would live longer
zealous basalt
No
tranquil steeple
But
zealous basalt
BM monks are good until they are out of brews
tranquil steeple
Prot Warrios CAN deal more damage than BM monks
zealous basalt
The moment they are out of brews
tranquil steeple
a lot more
zealous basalt
they are dead
cyan prairie
Prot Warr is good until it dies
zealous basalt
Prot Warriors dont die
cyan prairie
Prot Warr is still the hardest hitting tank iirc?
zealous basalt
Prot Warriors deal a lot of damage and can receive a lot of damage naturally
cyan prairie
50k Shield Slam crits, 30k Thunder Claps
tranquil steeple
If not, it'd probably be Prot Pala
zealous basalt
And Avatar is really fun
tranquil steeple
depending on resets from Crusader's Call
zealous basalt
With a nice talent rotation you get thunder claps every second
tranquil steeple
and if they got the talent for extra Judgment charge + gain charge from Crusader's Call
cyan prairie
With even more VoP buffs
I could hold Avatar up for like 2 minutes with no breaks
Due to insane essences procs
Can't wait for them to buff it even more
tranquil steeple
Reminds me of when I saw someone stream a HC EP pug, and was on voice chat with a Demo lock
who got 50 imps out due to Vision of Perfection
cyan prairie
Good that Blizz buffs VoP even more
zealous basalt
What the shit
cyan prairie
I'll remove Avatar from my keybinds xD
zealous basalt
50 fucking
imps
thats another burning crusade wat to heck
if only Serenity was better for VoP
I once saw someone with Avenging Wrath for the whole duration of Mechagon's fight
that was impressive
tranquil steeple
I wanted to try Serenity with VoP
zealous basalt
Nah
zealous basalt
Thing with Serenity is that is in the wrong place
It removes WDP which makes the rotation complete
If it was on another place
It might be worthy
But even so
It messes up WDP because it makes everything refresh faster
And the overall power boost doesn't compare to SeF
SEF is such a bad ability
I don't know why they made it like that
They should have leave it like the original and keep TeB
dense plover
look at those level numbers
assaults might be a thing that you can do on alts once youve unlocked them
dense plover
yeah i think its a bit of a display bug
but it tells us something
assaults will probably be a way to boost alt leveling
dense plover
possibly
cyan prairie
Not this shit we got so far
dense plover
might work closer to the prepatch, idk
dont have a friend who is below 120 and has done the intro quests
considering they added zidormi, it makes sense
cyan prairie
I hope so
I'm done destroying alliance ships for ⅓ of a level
And heirlooms don't make it much better
Btw what happened to the weekly IE quest for alts?
Did they remove it or what?
For alts under 120*
tranquil steeple
I got a joke/"pun" for you guys
What do the 5 Prot Warriors say after clearing a +10 in time?
cyan prairie
We wouldn't do it if we were DHs
tranquil steeple
Ez Clap.
dense plover
IE?
cyan prairie
That gave some good exp
dense plover
corruption resistance on gear is golden
i assume they will also give us a piece of corruption gear to try
b/c it would be weird not to
this is nw
new
xanesh has a voice too
round lake
Is there an encrypted cinematic for 8.3?
dense plover
idk
yes?
but i think its rendered
not cgi
theres a few unimplemented or hidden too
EPIC INGAME EVENT
wrathion has a custom dragon model now
wasnt in last build, is now
tropic trail
Uh Sel? What's the pun there?
tranquil steeple
Ez (Thunder) Clap
tropic trail
Too big
We'd have to use a metal stronger than what the sword is made out of to cut it into chucks to be able to take it out
round lake
unless some thing or some being plunged it all the way in
tropic trail
Taking the sword out would only cause more damage, also
tranquil steeple
unless some thing or some being plunged it all the way in
limber mural
unless we had some ungodly power to mend it
tranquil steeple
You mean Sargeras?
tropic trail
Imagine getting stabbed and immediately pulling the knife out
You'd bleed like crazy
tranquil steeple
We'd pretty much need Eonar for a scale of something like this
or every living being able to heal something on Azeroth
cyan prairie
Or 1% of Sylvanas current power
tropic trail
I think maybe Azeroth could wake up in the future and be like "My Silithus hurts. Lemme pull this toothpick out."
cyan prairie
/s
tranquil steeple
Lyo... that's... so ridiculous I hate it and love it at the same time.
Thank you
tropic trail
It could happen! Azeroth is said to be the strongest titan
cyan prairie
What if the titan inside is even more evil than anything we knew so far
tropic trail
Imagine fighting Azeroth as the final boss of a titan and void lords expansion with Sargeras as the second to last boss and corrupted Illidan as the first boss
I can see that happening
I mean I did call the end of BfA
With N'zoth being the final boss and the first fully unleashed old god we fight
tropic trail
I think Azeroth looks like a blue human female with the maelstrom as her bellybutton
cyan prairie
Azeroth will Wake up as a Blue Belf
tropic trail
ENOUGH ELVES
dense plover
thats different
sudden oak
yes makore?
cyan prairie
Tbh it would be interesting if Azeroth was a Troll
tropic trail
Trolls spend the entire of Warcraft getting pooped on
sudden oak
@zealous basalt why did you ping me?
cyan prairie
Would be nice since Trolls are the native race of Azeroth
tropic trail
You and Mak were posting Azeroth's true form stuff right?
cyan prairie
Just like Tauren
And... PANDAS
Azeroths True form will be a pandaren DK
Mark my words
tropic trail
Uh, humans are fun sized Vrykul and Vrykul were titanforged
dense plover
all visions of nzoth essences give corruption resistance now
so you can actually gain a decent chunk using your passive slots
ah I see
you can only gain the corruption resistance from 1 effect
tropic trail
WHY PEACH
zealous basalt
Oh verial
dense plover
thats a good thing
zealous basalt
Was it with you when we were shit posting about Azeroth's real form
tropic trail
I so expected you to do the "ah, I see you're a man of culture as well" meme
dense plover
it means you can choose which of the nzoth essences you want to use
and not feel forced into using a specific one
zealous basalt
When we talked of she being a velf onee San saying ara ara or something like that
limber mural
what
tropic trail
Have you seen Steamed Hams but it's the Purging of Stratholme?
dense plover
well, this got its rewards buffed x1000
uncut vault
definitely needed it, IMO, the vale one didnt seem all that worth it outside of the patch questline and visual curiosity
dense plover
also seems that the corruption effect can change WHILE you are in it
round lake
@tranquil steeple or something else, and when I say plunge I mean go all the way thus killing azeroth completely
cyan prairie
i'd laugh if Azeroth after being awakened, thanked us for burning Teldrassil - "ugh, good thing that this ugly bush is gone, it was starting to become annoying"
dense plover
so if you do a vision and die
you get loot still
just less
chest is smaller even
just corrupted momentos
they definitely made these harder
which is good
they fixed dying in the piercing the heart scenario
its getting worse
ah, scenario ends with raden being pulled into nyalotha
and the chamber took some damage
it just eventually gets so bad that it ends
XD
and then theres going to be a cutscene
not sure what this is exactly
normal mango
void focus is used to craft the professions gear (similar to the abyssal focus in eternal palace)
dense plover
this menu looks better now
and every time you spend momentos, the cost of all talents goes up
also since the scenario is fixed, THE STORY CONTINUES
we are working our way into nyalotha
i love how the story ties everything together
well - thats a short transition there
guess thats the end?
theres definitely some stuff missing
theres the whole thing with lili and the giant mogu statue
so im gonna guess theres a quest chain for each assault outside of the nzoth assault
like the dwarf lady in uldum
so from what i can tell storywise - we have the main story which involves wrathion and the visions and nyalotha
theres stories for each assault type
(except nzoth cuz thats functionally the same for both)
and thats sorta it... but that actually is a decent amount
not to mention the repeatable pve content feels challenging
the assaults and dailies definitely need some reward tweaks tho
also, they definitely picked some good zones here
i hope they add maybe 1 more
it would be nice
also adding them either as emmisaries or making the WQs actually appear on the zone map would be nice too
they fixed the amathet heal cast time
they made it much slower
think some stuff might be hitting too hard b/c its balanced around an entire server being in the zone
but thats probably a good thing
also dailies give more rep now
all of it does
much better
oh damn, the nzoth jewelcrafting rings are 470 ilvl
thats almost mythic
cyan prairie
are they BoP still?
dark furnace
It looks like a sound someone would make in a mumble rap song
limber mural
'b'rb'
dense plover
its borscht
but old god-ified
just like bsque
is bisque
or g'ulash
g'zpacho
and k'bab
theyre all excellent puns
mighty wolf
new old gods confirmed 
tropic trail
b'rek
safe light
That makes the food mandatory now for visions, and possible quite OP? Up to 10 mins of freewheeling in there o.0
dense plover
i mean, i assume the recipe is a drop from the visions
since thats where the focus recipe comes from
and it has no skill level requirement
so you just need to get the recipe to make it
not sure where the fish come from
probably from drops in the visions
or underwater mobs in the assault zones
the meat drops from animals in the assaults and visions
all it really does is make cooking useful for them
tropic trail
today we're making my grandmother classic calzones, all you'll need is some dough, tomato sauce, cheese, pepperoni, and some essence of an old god from the realm of the void lords that has been slumbering beneath the earth for centuries. haha long like the void
dense plover
XD
i would watch that parody cooking show
Cooking with C'thun
With Old Gods, Cooking is Fun!
tropic trail
since when does pizza have eyes and tentacles
tropic trail
just a little bit of N'zoth oil
cyan prairie
i want P'ierogi as a food in WoW
tropic trail
tropic trail
tarantella napoletana becomes the theme for 8.3
strange falcon
👀
tropic trail
italian players suddenly spike
strange falcon
There are already a bunch of italian players,in fact there is 3 dedicated italian realms
But like german/russian realms,90% of thepopulation of those servers
Speaks 0 english
tropic trail
i mean
i'd take russians over spanish/portugese any day, though
i can understand russian
so i'm biased
cyan prairie
ppl from spain don't even know how to speak their own language properly
<yes it is a joke>
tropic trail
i'm still waiting for dedicated balkan realms
cyan prairie
i'm still waiting for a Polish realm (even if we have BL that is 99% Polish already)
cyan prairie
Conquered it*
tropic trail
blizz better give us a dedicated yugoslav realm
unborn glacier
Make sure to really emphasize criticism of corruption in this PTR. As the reaction to corruption will influence itemization in 9.0
tropic trail
i wonder if blizz is just going to pull another artifact and have sacrifice the heart of azeroth to defeat n'zoth
tropic trail
so why keep it
sullen dawn
id image a neck piece from shadowlands will be better than it even outside shadowlands after a few levels
sullen dawn
cos they want you to think it's notbeing sacraficed
cyan prairie
i want it to be destroyed
zealous basalt
It will still work
sullen dawn
just sits in your bag/bank
sullen dawn
in theory it will still work, outside of shadowlands. but in practice it won't, because a shadowlands neckpiece will still be better even outside of shadowlands
dense plover
well it will work
zealous basalt
Ye
sullen dawn
yeh 'work'
dense plover
why destroy something you want players to be able to use in old content
sullen dawn
but i imagine shadowlands neckpiece will still be better in old content
zealous basalt
"Just because it was a piece of trash in the trash expac"
sullen dawn
just not timewalking
zealous basalt
The mindset of some people
dense plover
exactly - its going to work in timewalking
essences will
azerite armor is unknown, might or might not
sullen dawn
yeh fine, but timewalking is hardly the reason people complain about sacrificing artifacts
zealous basalt
They are dumb
sullen dawn
that's not really contributing to the conversation
zealous basalt
The reason of why artifacts don't work it's because the class weren't reworked
Classes were made around the artifact
zealous basalt
Yeah but unlike artifacts the necklace doesn't add any required rotation
sullen dawn
when we are, for all intents and purposes getting a repeat. just because it's no technically losing it's power, it won't be of any use anywhere, except 'maybe' timewalking
oh i agreee
it's not as impactful
zealous basalt
Well Toby that's logic
sullen dawn
Yes I get why it was done. All I'm saying is, they can't really claim it's not becoming irrelevant, cos it is. I understand why
zealous basalt
Their reason is quite accepted though
sullen dawn
yes i agree
sullen dawn
it was just a weirdly framed answer at blizzcon
zealous basalt
People don't get it
sullen dawn
they emphasised it'd be useable outside of Shadowlands. in reality it wasn't worth mentioning as it still won't be valuable outside of BFA levellling
but anyway, im not annoyed, just found it funny how they wanted to spin it
cyan prairie
in Zuldazar bank under the vault
tropic trail
i mean won't we be spending a good 95% of our time of the expac in the SL
sullen dawn
Speaking of Oribos
tropic trail
planning
sullen dawn
im excited to see it
tropic trail
good for you
sullen dawn
thanks 🙂
unborn glacier
None of oribos was shown at BlizzCon was it?
limber mural
no, just Bastion
sullen dawn
Nope. We got hints at the style from the arbiter and the 3 mechanical icons on the website
That's basically it
mighty wolf
Wasnt Arbiter appeared in features trailer?
upper remnant
There are a few concept arts too
limber mural
only a lil concept art if anything
upper remnant
I remember seeing a tombstone tower
dense plover
i dont
uncut vault
The walls being made of tombstones is interesting
upper remnant
^
tranquil steeple
I'm wondering if there's a significance to one of the spires in the wall being lit up, and what that significance would be
upper remnant
I was just considering that right now, maybe it's just for visuals but it could be something like we need to power it up again by lighting them all up
tranquil steeple
yeah, it's one of the details that looks like is important, but easily could be something just for visuals at the same time
so I'm interested in seeing more about Oribos
and, of course, more about Shadowlands in general
uncut vault
Oribos seems almost mechanical in nature, just powered by souls instead of electricity
The construct concept art is also very cool
dense plover
its also interesting because its neutral
it cant reuse assets from any of the zones unless it reuses them equally because its a sort of nexus city
the natives of the city have to have a uniquely neutral aesthetic
deep pawn
Oribos will be a raid. 😄
tranquil steeple
It's supposedly the main hub of the Expansion, or at least will contain the city that'll be the main hub. Atleast IIRC
limber mural
dalaran
Interesting that the constructs look not unlike the preorder armour set
That might be the organisation involved in it. /shrug?
tropic trail
Oribos, Dalaran, but gray and blue
calm plank
it would make sense that the pre order set wouldn't be themed as one of the covenants
cause then if people end up picking another one it'll be weird
dense plover
^
it is supposed to be representative of the new expac
oribos is the neutral zone
its probably mostly whites greys and blues
and maybe like, that weird shadowlands sky-broken orange
calm garden
hmmm blizz i dont think thats how meetin stons are suppose to be (lmao is fookin floatin)
tropic trail
I wonder if plastic was invented in WoW
calm plank
there's probably some reference to plastic existing somewhere
let's try something
[plastic]
bot still isn't working?
tropic trail
Or not xD
haughty houndBOT
tropic trail
Why does everyone find Taeshalach so hard to say? XD
calm plank
cause if so then gnomes and goblins would defintly need it
tropic trail
Uh. Pretty sure that's rubber, not plastic