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normal niche
amber storm
I love Anduin, total awesome boi.
cyan prairie
imagine what would happen if Broxigar lived?
tropic trail
he also licks
cyan prairie
whole alliance would shit themselves if they saw him
amber storm
Did Broxigar died?
amber storm
Oh, nevermind. Wrong orc. haha
normal niche
Imagine vanilla saurfang in BFA
cyan prairie
Brox is older than Jaina
normal niche
he'd cleave the alliance
amber storm
Imagine WC3 Nelves against the Horde. š
cyan prairie
I loved seeing alliance raid orgrimmar, getting oneshotted by his bladestorm in 3 seconds
fastest wipe i've ever seen
amber storm
I only raid orgrimmar as a naked gnome.
cyan prairie
when we raided SW some time ago, the alliance didn't even try to fight us
tropic trail
i strip naked in boralus and get free gold
cyan prairie
we walked there like it was a friendly zone
amber storm
lol, depends on the realm you are on.
cyan prairie
my realm is a 50/50
amber storm
Which one?
cyan prairie
tho alliance suck on it
amber storm
Ah, gotcha.
cyan prairie
I doubt it
amber storm
Stromgarde is so pretty
amber storm
Maybe when they run graphic updates on the world, in 20 years.
normal niche
I mean to be fair
normal niche
with the assault on lordaeron
the alliance has a lot of opportunities
to rebuild
stuff
inner copper
I throw nukes (I do a macro with the meteor as fire mage and yell ānuke incomingā) for 1 silver on Argent Dawn Goldshire EU and I earn 1k gold on average per 8 hour session there
azure estuary
Theyāll just leave the warfronts for people who havenāt gotten the Warfront gear yet
amber storm
Does that make Danath the ruler of a mini kingdom now?
azure estuary
I personally enjoyed the warfronts. And wished they would add some in Shadowlands as well.
amber storm
S1 pvp set is so bomb
normal niche
and according to what was said In an interview, there's an armistice at the moment we've been knowing that.
cyan prairie
both factions are so fucked up that none of them would fight
amber storm
Yeah, no man power left on either side
azure estuary
And armistice isnāt peace. Itās a great way to say, weāre not at war, but still allow BGs and warfronts to make sense
cyan prairie
Horde is in a slightly better situation, but know our mercy, we let you live
night swift
Good thing bgs arenāt following lore atm
normal niche
Battlegrounds are time locked
cyan prairie
which BGs are lore-based? Except Alterac
amber storm
BGs are an unbalanced mess.
azure estuary
Thatās true
cyan prairie
i didn't lose a single BG in a week
every time i chose Epic BG
i was sent to Wintergrasp
as defender side
it's impossible to lose as defenders
amber storm
Love it when I queue that.
cyan prairie
that's all
normal niche
Honestly
cyan prairie
because there is no balance in this BG
azure estuary
I miss back in the Wrath days when the attacking team actually tried
normal niche
its an alliance win
cyan prairie
all severs have the same brawl
amber storm
Is SvTM server locked?
normal niche
It depends on your server.
night swift
moon guard
cyan prairie
yeah
tbh i tried to play alliance, but the childish and toxic community i've seen there was enough to make me stop
night swift
Yeah its pretty skill based
cyan prairie
seeing them wipe normal dungeons...
night swift
Yeah Alliance has a lot of drama
normal niche
believe it or not, my horde experience is better than my alliance experience.
night swift
Horde has it too of course, but it wasnt nearly as bad
cyan prairie
normal niche
night swift
Once ar dks come out Iāma be horde
strange falcon
@night swift what ar
cyan prairie
Nightborne DKs, can't wait
normal niche
noo
night swift
Either Nightborne or Maghar
cyan prairie
what's the reason to make Mag'har DKs?
you can pick brown skin as normal Orc
if u play a DK
night swift
The Tattoos
normal niche
yup
night swift
Plus I like their heritage armor
cyan prairie
it doesn't fit a DK imo
night swift
Frostwolf set kinda
normal niche
a dk with tattoos?
cyan prairie
DK should be a heavy plate set, or some bones
amber storm
Oh yess
night swift
Thats the set Iād wear if I go NB dk
strange falcon
The legion sets were damn good
cyan prairie
i think i'll change this belf to a NB
night swift
They are
strange falcon
And it seems the artists have rested enough by slacking in bfa
amber storm
I'm still farming Legion sets, haha
strange falcon
So SL will have great sets too
amber storm
I'm never wearing anything from BfA raids.
amber storm
Nice
night swift
Bfa has some ok sets
normal niche
scuffed gul'dan
night swift
The warfront sets mainly
amber storm
Yeah, that's why I said raid. ha
night swift
Uldir has an ok set
amber storm
I kinda like Uldir sets, but that's it.
night swift
If you dont wear the helm
calm plank
I love the uldir cloth set
amber storm
I like the mythic plate with helm, looks like Skyrim dwarven
night swift
Yeah it does
cyan prairie
Uldir sets were trash, but PvP S1 sets were awesome
night swift
I just canāt wait for SL cause Legion will have legacy loot finally
calm plank
I feel like I'm the only one who likes most of the sets this expac
cyan prairie
amber storm
I didn't even think of that, ahah
cyan prairie
fucking discord lag...
calm plank
I'll be honest, I prefer the darker shade of this set
amber storm
I like non-raid sets this expansion, I was just shitting on raid. š
cyan prairie
the darker one is less prestigious
WoD was the beginning of really good sets imo
BrF had so many good sets
calm plank
ye
night swift
I like HFCās lfr plate set
amber storm
I just can't bring myself to get pathfinder in Draenor, I skipped that xpac.
cyan prairie
just buy rep on TW
night swift
And now we never have to go back with SL
amber storm
True
night swift
God yes
amber storm
Not on a dwarf, looks like a scrunched mess. š
cyan prairie
imo Nighthold set was better
cyan prairie
Antorus Mythic on Belf looks sick
night swift
Nighthold set is perfection!
amber storm
That mage set looked great, the one with legs.
calm plank
ye
cyan prairie
let's hope that PvP sets are going to be good at least
normal niche
Pally nighthold set
cyan prairie
like in BfA
cyan prairie
Zandalari Heritage also looks pretty good for a Paladin
night swift
Pvp sets might be Covenant themed
calm plank
I wonder if we'll get a leveling set for each zone š¤
amber storm
What's annoying about it?
calm plank
oh
amber storm
Oh, haha
amber storm
Same issue here.
cyan prairie
maybe it's Discord's problem
calm plank
could be
cyan prairie
i'm kinda annoyed that we didn't get more faction-based PvP sets in BfA
just Mythic raid recolors
night swift
S1 and 2 were faction themed
night swift
Lol
night swift
Darkshore sets only really fit unded
cyan prairie
nah
calm plank
I mean
cyan prairie
all slim races
calm plank
they're kinda made for that
amber storm
That image will be here in 30 minutes.
calm plank
but yeah they fit slim races pretty well
cyan prairie
amber storm
haha
night swift
There we go
calm plank
there you go
cyan prairie
at least, not titanforged
calm plank
I love how they do boots with 3D elements now
cyan prairie
i don't need to delete another one
i was pretty disappointed with alliance elite pvp sets from season 2
leather looked more Orc-ish than Nelv-ish
too many fangs and spikes
plate was good
cloth lacked something
mail was decent
and there were some more issues with these sets...
night swift
The alliance mail set was actually good for once
cyan prairie
night swift
Oh my
cyan prairie
ugh... looks so bad
The helmet isn't even touching his head
i would check it on fat'tiran
if i had them unlocked xD
night swift
They look bad on kul tiran
cyan prairie
night swift
Wtf
normal niche
Remember the Demo? I've seen a few plays of the one at Blizzcon
and I can't wait for Shadowlands
it looks
so beautiful
graphics-wise
cyan prairie
BfA was good graphics-wise too
normal niche
mhm
cyan prairie
Hmm... the T2 helmet is actually attached to the head...
strange falcon
I mean
It is universally agreed upon
The art team and cinematics team
Always heavily carry wow
cyan prairie
and music team
cyan prairie
City of Gold the best city theme so far
Gameplay design team just tries "what does that red button do?"
night swift
Kul Tiras had some nice city themes
strange falcon
Shal'aran was pretty good too
cyan prairie
Back to bad sets:
strange falcon
For chilling
cyan prairie
the boots weren't even attached to worgen's feet for whole 8.0
night swift
Thats more of a problem with worgen
cyan prairie
they just levitated between his feet
and the belt levitated above the character if they were on a mount
no matter the race
cyan prairie
It can get even worse...
obtuse vine
Six seats at the high table, six mouths that hunger. One will consume all others.
As all souls are directed into the Maw, it grows in power while starving the other realms of death.
It grows bolder. Hungrier.
cyan prairie
The death is pretty much the mouth that consumes all other
no matter what sides fight, if they die, they are dead
Blizzurd, wut r u duing
no matter how stupid it sounds
strange falcon
@cyan prairie i want to see how big that BoD shoulder is on tauren
cyan prairie
gonna log a Tauren in a sec
amber storm
lol, probably looks awesome on a Zandalari
cyan prairie
yeah, it does
night swift
Zandalari feet though
amber storm
Ah, their awesome skeleton make up for it, though
night swift
Zandalari became the next blood elf
cyan prairie
Worgen skeleton isn't a problem i think. Tauren has a weird skeleton too, and look how the T3 looks on them
amber storm
I'm glad, they hold a more traditional Horde aesthetic.
I really like the worgen skeleton, just don't like most equipped helms
night swift
That doesnt look too bad on a tauren
amber storm
I've got to play with the dress room, then.
cyan prairie
night swift
Absolute unit
cyan prairie
gonna show you the Worgen in Horde set
amber storm
That helm giving the tauren snouts space would look great on a Worgen.
Nice, looks like an actual dino skull on their shoulder, haha
normal niche
So when the next expansion is released, which covenant are any of your characters gonna pick?
like a covenant that fits the character the most.
amber storm
Bastion, because pally
strange falcon
@amber storm that tauren crushed the dinos skull with his bare hands
amber storm
haha, seriously
sudden oak
bastion with my priest
strange falcon
Bastion on my main,because of possibility of O W L b o i s allied race
sudden oak
venthyr with my lock
amber storm
Venthyr look soo cool
cyan prairie
sometimes i can send them without delay
sometimes there is a lag
idk what's going on
amber storm
I'll be patient
calm plank
ikr
amber storm
Jeez, that looks amazing
calm plank
(except for the helmet but that's just a normal worgen thing)
night swift
Better than the alliance helms
amber storm
I think the helmet looks great
cyan prairie
No helmet one
calm plank
very cool
night swift
God damn
amber storm
So badass
amber storm
lol, throw a gnome in there, we'll see how that works.
night swift
Oh boy
cyan prairie
Give me a moment... xD
cyan prairie
loading the powerful image
night swift
Now the true heresy
calm plank
look at this lad
night swift
Mechagnomes wearing horde armor
amber storm
Lad looks soo good
night swift
Why do worgen fit horde themes better than alliance
cyan prairie
night swift
OH GOD
amber storm
I need to see Dazar'alor mythic plate on him.
calm plank
the alliance will cower upon this warrior of the horde
strange falcon
Horde is so much better as a faction,even gnomes look good in their sets
Absolute madlad
amber storm
Diapergnome in that set would be 100
cyan prairie
Dwarf in Horde PvP set:
calm plank
calm plank
nah those are the T2
calm plank
I didn't take the T3 cause they look too big
amber storm
Gah, my dwarf would look so good
calm plank
boots are in T3 but the model doesn't load on the worgen
and yeah that dark iron looks sick af
night swift
The only weird thing is the beard
amber storm
I'd go with one of the full beards
calm plank
here's T3 shoulders
amber storm
Genn would be so pissed
cyan prairie
Beard Number 1 for Mag'har is no beard, beard Number 1 is that weird rope beard for Dark Iron
amber storm
hahaha
night swift
Lol
cyan prairie
The ultimate belt of destruction
tropic trail
Too bad man'ari would be a lore'bortion unlike any other
calm plank
ye
I might be the only one but I would very much like to know what happened to the remnant of the legion once we finished antorus
cyan prairie
we know only that they are very disorganised
and they are afraid to fight now after Sargeras got imprisoned and Argus slain
amber storm
My DnD paladin class fantasy makes me want a Tauren in Alliance armor.
tropic trail
no
strange falcon
We already proved alliance armor is worse
amber storm
lol, dozens of us like Alliance armor. DOZENS!
strange falcon
sullen dawn
6 seats is light/void/order/chaos/life/void
The death thing doesn't make sense. One is a city and not measurable against the others. The maw also doesn't have it's own covenant.
cyan prairie
6 sits - 6 powers
one to devour other ones
if 2 powers fight
they cause death between themselves
no matter who dies, it's always a win for Death
Just found this old screenshot
Alliance when they realise that even Horde sets look better on them
deep pawn
hah, knew they were keeping something to replace titanforging
Too early to say exactly what they'll do in Shadowlands, but there will be something (Deathforging?!). Corruption replacing Titanforging in 8.3 is a bit of an experiment similar to Benthic, Mechagon rewards, and other bonuses we've seen in the game so far.
cyan prairie
also going back to the "one that will consume them all"
they've been calling death something that "hungers" for some time already
cyan prairie
i guess Darkness = death in that case
deep pawn
Darkness as a force isn't really a thing. There's the void though
normal niche
Holy shit.
Imagine that
imagine if Darkness is the personification of death
It'd be ''Yes? Darkness, hey, what's up? The Demon Hunter left you a message? No I don't have his number."''
To a whole nother level
warm wren
Shadow and darkness are just terms for the Void
normal niche
okay but for real yes
tropic trail
the darkness is another name for the void
normal niche
no
but this is irrelevant now
since chronicles was made in the pov
of the titans
dense plover
No thatās no
Thatās not from their POV
The devs literally referenced it
As a thing we should use as a reference
zealous basalt
What is the motivation to do daily activities now that Artifact Power won't be a thing anymore?
There are other rewards in World Quests that are not only AP that motivate players to complete them. We are looking at the World Quest system and we're going to overhaul it, we're calling it World Quests 2.0. More when beta release.
Ohyis
night swift
I see anima being a secondary thing we'll be gathering
pulsar iris
peach, they said it was from the titans pov
midnight saddle
but also used that diagram in the slides when announcing shadowlands
vivid harness
yeah
zealous basalt
Anima resource inc
dense plover
The titans POV wasnāt the whole quote
In that same quote they said itās still canon
So saying that chart is irrelevant is wrong
normal niche
let me check
I mean its irrelevant from the view of other forces.
It was written by the titans, so what we see in their view won't be
exactly what others see.
sullen dawn
the chart is not irrelevant. the book being from the titans point of view just means that certain details will have been omitted, and some things will paint them in a more favourable light than may be true
but i wouldnt claim the entire cosmology is wrong, especially given it was used as a way to frame the introduction of the new expansion itself
normal niche
I know that's what I'm saying.
dense plover
That is not what you are saying
You literally said itās irrelevant because itās from the titans POV
normal niche
Yeah but I didn't put any context, into what I mean when saying that it was irrelevant.
dense plover
All they are saying with that is that the writers can add new info because the titans didnāt say everything
normal niche
that doesn't mean, it ain't uncanon
as it does tell you things
and clears stuff up
yeah
that's what I'm saying
and yes they're triangles. @tropic trail
normal niche
lol
bronze gust
why try searching for meaning in ongoing fiction?
take it as it is... cause everyday some idiot suite can come in and change everything just because
what we have for granted is what happen and even that is subject to retcon trough some mustache villain master plan
I don't buy the fact everything sylvanas was doing was for this final purpouse
why was she trying to get the lamp from the valkyr to raise more undead? she was trying to do the oposite in legion
as in not feeding all souls to the maw
normal niche
true
bronze gust
the story is moving forward but I dislike these dev dudes still hold on to faction as being some sort of pristine core thing in wow
they can't have a loosing faction so why even keep this lie going?
normal niche
Its either of these
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
"we're given a retcon for Wilf's absence from Donna's wedding in āThe Runaway Brideā: he had Spanish Flu"
revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.
"I think fans get more upset when characters act blatantly out of established type, or when things get retconned"
Origin
1980s: abbreviation of retroactive continuity .
Translate retcon to
Use over time for: retcon
I think this is it.-
bronze gust
yeh
calm plank
damn I just realized
after the level squish gaining one level will be a lot more meaningful than it is rn
and shadowlands content will cover 10 levels as usual
but would that mean that there's a lot more leveling content in this expac š¤
tropic trail
no?
both legion and bfa were 10 levels
using pre squish terms the cap would be 130
dense plover
Interesting bit from the interviews
They mention a World Quest overhaul
World Quests 2.0
More info with beta
deep pawn
Eh... levelling won't feel that much more meaningful when it's a lot faster
You're going to do a dungeon and get 6 levels. š
normal niche
deep pawn
Interesting they're saying beta rather than alpha
dense plover
Alpha and beta have become more or less interchangeable
Just when itās public or not
forest sphinx
Hold on, where does it mention beta?
dense plover
They said they would talk more about WQs 2.0 in beta
unborn glacier
night swift
I had a feeling they would do that
red raft
That Shadowlands reference forum is interesting; particularly the Salanar the Horseman bit regarding time flow.
I wonder if when we emerge from the Shadowlands in lore, time will have passed quite a lot which would actually give them leeway for an overhaul of the world.
unborn glacier
This makes me sad
uncut vault
@red raft the same was mentioned a ton about the nether, but nothing came of it with Argus. Chances are It will be another āoh the portal stabilized the timelineā
calm plank
yeah that could happen again
especially since I doubt we'll spend all of our time in the shadowlands
also yeah that thing about wc3 sucks
changing wc3 so that it reflects current lore could have really helped with clearing up events
red raft
@uncut vault true. poo, but if they do wanna use it to make it a vice its there so at least a chance
near garnet
Wait
With the level squish..
Are we not gonna be able to solo old raids no more?
Unless the 10 levels will be enough to manage it proper
calm plank
wdym?
harsh wedge
They said we still will be able to solo old content
deep pawn
based on other interviews they did, only in Chromie time do expansions scale from 1-50, otherwise it's the same progression as we have now
So in reality, Vanilla will have like a cap of 25 for most people, TBC/Wrath 30, Cata/MoP 35, Legion 40, BfA 50.
near garnet
Oh right on. I was confused how it'd work.
warm wren
The level squish will make it so you only level through one expansion before you do Shadowlands
New players will only have the option of BFA on their first toon, but on new characters can level in whichever one they want
deep pawn
or none if they want to do it the old way still
warm wren
For current or returning players, they do their 1-10 starting zone, go to their capital, and Chromie pops up all like "Hey, you seem familiar. Wanna hop back in time with me?" And you go level whatever expac you choose to
.... this is from the deep dive, where they explained how it's going to work
deep pawn
yeah, and they've expanded on that in other interviews as well
warm wren
but no area will have a "level cap"
deep pawn
Including saying, "If you don't want to do it, the old way still works"
deep pawn
only in Chromie time
warm wren
since to get to 60 you need to do shadowlands
Well one of the systems will be obsolete then
It'll be easier to just pick one option or another
deep pawn
indeed.
warm wren
ie Blizz picks just chromie time option or the old way
it sounded like, in the deep dive, they're trying to avoid you out leveling expansions
and the old way enables that
deep pawn
thus the choice
I'm sure they'll encourage you to pick an expansion
but they know they can't totally remove the old starting zones
warm wren
They don't plan on it
you'll get to choose a starting zone as a returning players
while new players have to do exile's reach
deep pawn
yes, so if you go that route, you won't be in chromie time
warm wren
You will. based on the DD that is
it was explained in the DD that you do your starting zone for 1-10, go to the capital city, then either do bfa if you're new, or do chromie time if you're returning
deep pawn
I think we're speaking past each other.
There's two ways, you can either do Exile's Reach 1-10 then pick an expansion(new players MUST do BfA) or you can ignore the new path and do the old way where you out level expansions still
warm wren
The way I understood it was that exile's reach was just one of the starting zones you could pick
and picking any of them still lead to either chromie time or BFA
because no matter what, you always ended up at your faction's capital one way or another
be it blood elves going there to seek proper admittance into the Horde with Sylvanas as a sponsor, humans reporting to Stormwind, or new heroes coming back from Exile's Reach
Of course, that's for new players
but it's the same general model
warm wren
"Level 10-50
Players will be able to speak to Chromie to go back in time to whichever previous expansion they desire. While players can switch between expansions, the intent is that any of them will be able to take you from level 10-50. If you like the story of Wrath of the Lich King, you can go from level 10 all the way to 50 in Northrend; if you enjoy Legion, Chromie will take you to the Broken Shore, but you don't have to do both unless you want to. Similar to the current environment, quests, mobs, and rewards will scale with you, allowing you to spend more time in the areas you want, just without the current expansion bracket restrictions. This means you can choose to level entirely through one or a combination of:"
dense plover
and then literally everything scales
warm wren
And then it lists all the areas from x-pacs
dense plover
so if you want you can go to any zone anywhere as you meet the level requirements
but 10-50 is one expac
warm wren
Also, thank you Mrpeach
warm wren
Yeah, if they're trying to avoid a certain system, why would they make it so you can go for that exact system they're trying to avoid
deep pawn
let me dig for the right interview, haha
uncut vault
Keep in mind, their estimate was that leveling is reduced by 70%, so one xpac will easily get you to max
warm wren
Well, one expac will get you the 40 levels from 10-50
or parts of an expac if you get bored of an expansion and decide to switch
dense plover
the interview said you could still go and do whatever zone you wanted
warm wren
which is possible
dense plover
but its not outleveling an expac
warm wren
I think kyle might have confused being able to pick up and switch expansions with old style leveling
dense plover
^
normal niche
Yeah.
warm wren
I'm glad they're streamlining leveling like that though
highest level I got to naturally was level 65 on a belf paladin, before I stopped playing him
dense plover
so current leveling time is, i believe about 45 hours
warm wren
eventually boosted a diff character to do BFA
dense plover
which means leveling 10-40 should take about 16 hours
warm wren
A much better time
warm wren
mhm
dense plover
bfa takes about 10 hours
warm wren
Is that leveling or content completion?
deep pawn
If you aren't in Chromie time, zones will only scale up to the cap for that expansion. You can still level that way though!
front page of mmo-c
warm wren
Can we get some sauce
dense plover
huh
source is legit
wasnt mentioned anywhere
so i guess the chromie thing gives you a buff or something
warm wren
I think we're misunderstanding
dense plover
no
deep pawn
I mean there's a lot of confusing details out there, and odds are they haven't even picked a final solution
dense plover
read the mmochamp thing
warm wren
I did
dense plover
they straight up say it
warm wren
hold on
I mean, if we're not doing chromie time, it's possible that doing non BFA stuff will get a modified cap
dense plover
" The team is working hard to make sure the flow of the new leveling experience makes sense.
Between the new player zone and Battle for Azeroth, the team is adding an interstitial experience. A new player might learn how to navigate a city, find flight masters, choose your spec, and getting a mount.
If you're going to be sending new and existing players into Battle for Azeroth, it makes a lot of sense for them to have a mount.
The team is still talking about what level getting Mage Portals is appropriate. It doesn't make sense for players to be suddenly restricted from things they used to be able to do.
If you aren't in Chromie time, zones will only scale up to the cap for that expansion. You can still level that way though!
If you want to go back to Pandaria and farm for transmog or rares, you wouldn't want the zone scaling, so you need Chromie Time to scale it.
Players will be scaled down in level in a natural way, keeping in mind the expansion milestones, such as being level 100 at the end of Warlords.
There will not be a stat squish. It's very important that players feel just as powerful when they log in to play the expansion."
warm wren
I read it
dense plover
so essentially talking to chromie causes an expac to scale with you
warm wren
Right, because you're being pushed back in time to when it was relevant
dense plover
not doing that means you can only level in some zones and can outlevel
but its how theyre going to do old farming stuff
warm wren
if you're not Chromie'd BFA will probably be the default xpac
deep pawn
If that particular Dev is right, who knows
they may decide to force everyone to pick a scaled expansion
uncut vault
One of those confuses me, āif you want to farm transmog or rares, you need Chromie timeā wouldnāt you not want the scaling for farming stuff at max level?
dense plover
definitely supposed to say you dont need
no no
youre misreading
"If you want to go back to Pandaria and farm for transmog or rares, you wouldn't want the zone scaling, so you need Chromie Time to scale it."
so they are saying the point of chromie time is so that people can still farm old stuff when they outlevel by leaving the time
instead of making it the default
and ruining old zone farming
night swift
Ion said we will still be able to outlevel and farm old stuff
deep pawn
yep
zealous basalt
So chrome times mean outlevel?
warm wren
It means stuff scales with you
but this makes so little sense to me. "We're trying to avoid this certain issue. But you're going to have an option to enable this exact issue we're avoiding."
dense plover
^
its because they dont want to force people to be max level if they want to farm vanilla content
zealous basalt
So when stuff scales with us we can do MOG runs around the world?
warm wren
I guess? Only time will tell
zealous basalt
Something tells me that is going to be the first thing tested in alpha/beta
deep pawn
I think it'll be 25 for classic, 30 for TBC/Wrath, 35 for Cata/MoP, 40 for Legion, and 50 for BFA.
which will activate legacy mode in legion as soon as we ding 51
zealous basalt
I have confusion
deep pawn
we all do. š
zealous basalt
I get now that
Chrome times works so the things scale with you so you can level in one expac
And without it it just stops at a certain scale
But the part about the mogs
Are they going to make it so things drops only if you have chrom time?
deep pawn
I think it was just a bad transcription by mmo-c
night swift
Very possible
night swift
Ye
dense plover
so chromie time exists
because that way you can leave it
and they dont have to deal with changing how legacy loot and such works
novel zodiac
i hope they don't nerf WoD leveling
zealous basalt
Ah
Oh
I think I'm getting it
Instead of making all zones to scale in level, chromie time becomes that switch that makes them fixed back so you out scale it
dense plover
every expac should take the same amount of time leonel
the goal here is that 10-50 should be about the same no matter what expac you pick
no makore
chromie time makes them scale
right now zones cap out
chromie time makes them not cap
dense plover
like, currently on live, zones have a max level
for example dragonblight is 61-80
with chromie time, dragonblight would be 10-50
and every zone in northrend would be 10-50
and they would continue to scale with you
zealous basalt
I get that part
dense plover
without chromie time, northrend will probably be 25-35 or something
which means at 36, you can solo old content and farm stuff
zealous basalt
Nono, the part where they say
That we need Chrom time to scale it and they mention getting mogs
Was it just an example or getting new mogs will be restricted to just chrom time?
dense plover
no no
like, without chromie time
you would be FORCED to lvl to 60 to farm old content
this way they can have zones and expacs have level caps
and just change the scaling when you have the buff
or toggle
forest sphinx
Not to change the subject but I'm really not a fan of the level boost
deep pawn
Why?
forest sphinx
So instead of getting you to the war campaign after you finish the three zones, you have to complete the three zones to continue to war campaign
Now, Mechagon and Nazjatar are available and accessible. But the war campaign requires completion of the three leveling zones before going any further.
deep pawn
Meh, stuff like that is always weird
You'd think the boost would have the levelling followers done for you
forest sphinx
To me, I think it's overwhelming for new players. I thought maybe if I boosted, I could get ready at a quicker pace for 8.3 and such but this really set me back a bit.
deep pawn
Well you have at least a month if not 2. That part of the war campaign takes 30 minutes
tropic trail
You have a month or two to get ready tho
In a month you will be 440+ with all your bis gear and essences lol
2 months if youāre unlucky or lazy so you have time
forest sphinx
LFR is going to be fun lol
deep pawn
I haven't even done lfr haha
There's so much gear elsewhere
My warrior is 435 without raiding. She sucks though cause no inkpod or coral
night swift
I wanna save my boost for 8.3 but another part of me wants to use it now
tropic trail
Use it now to have another 120 ready
night swift
the boost would be for an ar dk
night swift
I mean I could boost a dk now and race change, but thats a waste
No Nightborne actually
tropic trail
But they're so thin
strange falcon
Im saving boost for vulpera warlock
tropic trail
I can't imagine a nightborne wearing plate
night swift
Nightborne Spellblade
deep pawn
If vulpera dks can get the heritage armor, I'm boosting a vulpera lock
tropic trail
I guess that makes sense
strange falcon
Ive seen fanart of tiny vulpera boi on the shoulder of a giant infernal,and i just have to get it
deep pawn
I want 5 vulperans
strange falcon
@deep pawn
tropic trail
You have to level for heritage armor though
deep pawn
Only once
night swift
^
tropic trail
Yeah
night swift
Vulp Monk or DK for that fast levels
deep pawn
We don't know if dks can get heritage armor
night swift
True
deep pawn
I'm debating rerolling on tichondrius
night swift
My boost would be me rerolling on WrA
tropic trail
I'm staying on Argent Dawn \o/
deep pawn
I like rp realms, but most are smaller now
night swift
MG and WrA arenāt small
tropic trail
RP realms pretty much allow anything
So I don't have to get annoyed at "STOP WALKING UNLESS YOU'RE GODMODE PVP"
Which has happened on Chamber of Aspects
night swift
I was on moon guard ally forever but my friends and I tried leveling on WrA horde and its so much more chill there
tropic trail
I was doing an escort quest
tropic trail
Well foxes are basically wild doggos with fluffy tails
night swift
At least youāll fit in better than the mechagnomes
tropic trail
XD
That's racist towards Genji's cybernetic parts
Wait, how do you even claim that on your insurance? I hit a cyborg ninja?
deep pawn
I would have played a mecha gnome if we had gotten tinkerd
I'm still gonna be salty at that and then no major class reworks
night swift
They are doing that though
Theyāre unpruning classes
They wanna make specs feel closer to the class again and fix the holes legion left
strange falcon
I mean,a bunch of people are coming back solely on paladin auras/shattering throw/eyes of the beast
Also I've seen a ton of ppl say theyll come back if 2H frostdk is a thing
deep pawn
It just feels like bandaid over gaping wounds in some cases
strange falcon
Also we are a year+ away i always have to remind everyone
They dont even know what quests to place in the zone,its early for definitive class changes
strange falcon
Even the demo was so unfinished we only had a tiny area of bastion to play with and most answers in interviews are "TobeDecided"
novel zodiac
bringing some old skills its not bringing "class identity" back
im sure that half of those skills aren't gonna be used
deep pawn
That's why I'm praying for a super early beta
Let's test for 8-9 months
If you want player feedback, don't wait til the last minute to iterate like bfa alpha
novel zodiac
I'm 100% sure that they're adding those skills to give something every 1-2 levels
such a bullshit
languid yoke
look, it's someone talking out of the wrong hole
night swift
strange falcon
I mean,the "long lost" skills have been heavily requested,to quote a dev interview
"we underestimated the hunter players want,to mind control their pet"
I should mention also that your activities inside wow are not "being in combat 24/7"
As you very strongly seem to believe
mighty wolf
Isnt shadowlands too small for new expansion? š¤
Or there will be new zones in 9.1/9.2/9.3?
deep pawn
Legion did add broken shore and Argus
We'll see more since the Shadowlands are infinite
strange falcon
they did say shadowlands are infinite,and the 5 we get are the "core" places
tropic trail
it seems they also changed the ghost when you die
now you aren't just greyscale
you're an actual ghost
tropic trail
also, i'm going into cryogenically induced sleep until 7.3 comes out
wake me up so i can play my vulpera
uncut vault
8.3 isnāt coming out until late December/early January, more likely the latter
strange falcon
the fact the anniversary is lasting until after festivities
makes me think it's early january
also blizz is basically on time-saving mode atm
trying to get the least amount of content drought they can for shadowlands
vernal juniper
not sure about, for me is before xmas to get something new when people can play more
something around black friday
strange falcon
"people can play more"
is only for nolife neckbeards
considering a lot of people,including the devs themselves
are with their families for christmas
vernal juniper
sure but they are not with family 3 weeks lol
strange falcon
what do you know :p
vernal juniper
the xmas with family is a 3 days max thing and in 99% of cases is only 1 day
austere gazelle
F4T : since its now said that chronicles was written from the PoV of the titans, and Elune is not mentionned, it means three things
- They don't know who it is.
- She is not a light lord
- She's older than them
strange falcon
well,they also said tyrande will go to the fae zone
to investigate where the F elune went
so theres that
austere gazelle
Elune might be a godess of balance, but when the balance is overthrown, she can't do anything anymore
dense plover
Elune might still be azeroth
Or the moon
Tbh chronicles being from the Titans POV literally changes nothing about Elune
We donāt know what she is
Also, patch is probably January. They said in an interview that the patch is more likely to drop next year, not this year
zealous basalt
Oh no
dense plover
And even if it was dropping this year slock, it wouldnāt be before dece,bed
December
Itās not even close to ready
zealous basalt
Oh noes
dense plover
Anniversary is a decent holdover
New battleground and raid
And some world bosses
Iād say thatās decent for two months
Not to mention that the updated holidays should help a little too
zealous basalt
Dragon
dense plover
Dragon?
zealous basalt
Dragon mount
dense plover
Dragon mount and the ram and wolf mounts from the battleground, and the timewarped badges from all the world boss dragons and all the unique things you can buy with them
austere gazelle
Elune being azeroth does not make sense. Elune supposedly made the Naaru. It does not even match. ELune got the power to transform a soul into constellation ( ysera's death ) not azeroth either. Elune can't be the moon or else the titan would have noticed it was special, and also, Elunaria.
dense plover
i dont think we have any source on elune making the naaru do we?
just looked, we dont
the biggest hint we have is elune is apparently cenarius' mom, and the tears of elune, one of the pillars of creation used/created by the titans
normal niche
well damn be pleased can we expect surprises with 8.3
because rsid testing was quick
vivid harness
"The earliest record of Malorne is in the tauren myth The White Stag and the Moon. It describes how Malorne, being hunted by the tauren, bargained with Elune in exchange for help. Malorne accepted Elune's help and loved her as part of the deal.
Another version of the tale says that Malorne fell in love with the goddess of the moon during the world's first nightfall. Her light guided him through the woods and showed him he was not alone. It banished fear and brought hope. Many creatures have loved the moon and pursued her to madness. She grants light as she will, on her own timetable, and moonlight cannot be captured or possessed. Even so, night after night, the White Stag chased her across the skies. He grew so swift and strong that at last, he succeeded in reaching her. She was so moved by his devotion and beauty that she made him her consort. To this day he loves the wilds best when they are lit by her radiance.[2]
Whatever the truth may be, eventually Malorne became Elune's consort. Elune gave birth to Cenarius from that relationship.[3]
Because Ysera the Dreamer agreed to act as Cenarius' foster mother, she has often been mistaken for the demigod's true mother. As a result, there are also rumors that she and Malorne had a romantic relationship. However, such rumors are baseless, though Ysera had a deep affection and respect for the demigod. He was one of nature's mightiest champions and a frequent visitor to the Emerald Dream.[1]" from wowpedia
plain vigil
Raid is life correct @dense plover
LFR*
@dense plover also in Legion Khadgar makes the claim that Elune may have been the maker of the prime Na'aru. While it's based in game and is free to be retconned later, it's safe to say that's the direction blizz want us going, Either factually or to misslead us.
amber storm
Tyrande was NOT a fan of that theory, haha
austere gazelle
no, Tyrande was not fan of the " elune is a naaru " theory
not ' Elune created the Naaru "
I think that she created the naaru in order to counterbalance the void lords and the old gods influence on the universe
peak fern
that could make sense, however it would make Elune incredibly powerful
that theory
which isnt a bad thing
austere gazelle
I don't know any other being that can transform someone into a constellation tbh
tropic trail
It would make sense that 8.3 came out in mid-late January that gives them till August to drop pre-patch events tbh
normal mango
Tues.7th patch with raid open 2-3 weeks later š
tropic trail
So we have Nzoth and pre-patch events to keep us busy š¤ we also donāt even know if there will be stories within the pre-patch to also keep us busy
Iām shocked itās coming out next year tbh. They have a lot of work to do loll
The team is probably sweatin 
ember tundra
I am also very surprised. Being myself a soft engineer in video games I don't quite understand how the dev resources are allocated, for this to take so much time
tropic trail
Yeah, they fired so many people I donāt understand either lmfao
tropic trail
But hey if they can drop this huge expansion then good for them but ppl shouldnāt be mad if it comes out a little late this expansion is huge as fuck.
ember tundra
huge ?
ember tundra
5 zones and a town is classical content
the major updates are on the gameplay
compared to legion, I feel that legion was way bigger
tropic trail
Nah they donāt think legion was even that big didnāt feel that way to me at least
tropic trail
I feel like they are added way more in this expansion the legion between game-play customization, zones, lore, player choices.
Dungeons
ember tundra
lore and story telling through cinematics yea for sure
tropic trail
It was so much they kept going over time on their account emeryās lol
ember tundra
this takes time
tropic trail
Oops
Announcements *
But you can see how excited there were so Iām excited to see how hard they worked on it
ember tundra
future of warcraft depends on it ^^
dense plover
idk why you guys think it wont be ready
its not like bfa wasnt done
it had problems with the azerite system, but thats because that system was being developed during legion
the new systems were developed with the failures of bfa
it should be better
zealous basalt
At what hour does the anniversary event start?
tropic trail
Probably 10-11am
ancient jasper
Just a quick PSA for anyone who doesn't know: Darkmoon Faire buff and WoW Anniversary Token stack for a very nice 25% XP/Rep increase. Be a great time to farm either of those if you need them.
mighty wolf
Who is this guy? https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/880966.jpg
i dont remember him in war3
zealous basalt
Oh i think that's from the Frozen Throne campaign
mighty wolf
looks like Nzoth's creature
zealous basalt
Yeah
When Arthas goes to Azjol nerub with anub arak
If you explore it you find those things frmo beyond
ember tundra
we do'nt think it won't be ready @dense plover, we were talking about why it takes so much time and the weight of the content being developed
tropic trail
@ember tundra because budget and deadlines. I think development Budget for each expansion is getting lower and lower while development costs (salaries to put it plainly), the appetite of upper management grows, and deadlines, if not staying, will only shorten. Devs also have to please the end customer (us) in order to generate income.
So here is the big dilemma: how to do both?
This dilemma resolves into systems like world quests, warfronts, islands, mandatory AP grinds, etc., which does not require huge amount of maintenance and are considered highly replayable (despite being unfun) content. However, his results in customers leaving, budget further decreasing, employees being laid off to reduce development cost, some, if not most development, being outsourced, less content per patch, more microtransactions, you name it.
It is a vicious circle, which, in my opinion, sadly was spun from the top management.
to put it as simply as i can
forest sphinx
So the Anniversary event is bugged
ember tundra
To see even further (I understood something similar to what you explained), I think that programmatically they took decisions concerning gameplay etc around all these highly replayable systems that now needs to be partly or fully reworked in order to have what they showed for shadowlands. For instance the AP grind system, or the talents.
ruby prawn
Is the shadowlands character boost going to be available after 8.3?
(from the prepurchase)
agile token
The boost will stay on your account until used
ruby prawn
But when will I be able to activate it? I Don't have one yet
agile token
Did you buy the one with a boost?
ruby prawn
Yeah, I got the mount and tmog, but didn't get a boost
agile token
Restart the client
ruby prawn
I've been waiting for it for like 2 days
agile token
then I would not know
tropic trail
@ember tundra Yes, they will definitely work with the base they already have. It is now just a matter of tweaking it and putting on a new shell, to sell it as a "new" feature for expansion. Do not get me wrong, i still prepurchased Shadowlands, because i was hyped when i saw the trailer, the art, etc, but now the rose tint is fading, and i am not so excited or even optimistic about it.
tropic trail
To me it looks like more of the same - and the vagueness of every new feature announced does not help with changing my view, sadly
ember tundra
it is fun, because the roguelike tower reminds me of the procedurally generated islands expeditions
even if i want, seriously, to believe that they are going to do fun mechanics
zinc sandal
@mighty wolf I think thatās CāThun?
ember tundra
that's why I did the exact same as you btw
tropic trail
The tower, while sounds good on paper indeed, i am also a bit sceptical about. Again, Ion compared it to mage tower, which to me is like the top fun feature since like MoP timeless isle. But it is nowhere near that, simply because you cannot win it. It is endless. And endless means sooner or later it will get old and boring.
Also, Ion compared 8.3 horrific visions to mage tower. Which is also not even close to that as far as i have seen. So if tower is just a horrific vision every step you climb, its not for me.
but it is too early to judge
ember tundra
if the roguelike mechanic is well created it may take a really long time before being boring
tropic trail
ill wait for more information on the features
what is this 'roguelike" mechanic you talk about?
flint meteor
didnt they say we would fight eventually the jailor at the end...
ember tundra
you know, the roguelike type of games ? like rogue legacy, ...
deep pawn
I think they should have found some way to announce this in February.
tropic trail
@flint meteor jailor will most likely be a boss in 9.2 or 9.3 even. They said it is main villain, but what they also said is that jailor is not Sylvanas boss, they just work together for someone even greater.
ember tundra
or dead cells