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#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
zinc sandal
tropic trail
reeee
weak bison
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/8820-Blizzcon-2019-World-of-Warcraft-Deep-Dive this has alot of stuff
dense plover
Yeah, it’s literally just blizz’s official post dude
Oh, they have all the pictures
dense plover
Soul shape has multiple forms
Probably unlocked via either your soulbind
Or through rep
Or maybe campaign progress
forest sphinx
One of the things I want to know is if Druids are going to have any type of buffs again in 9.0
tropic trail
woho
dense plover
There’s probably more in general tbh
But they weren’t showing off everything
Gotta test stuff to make sure it works
forest sphinx
Where's cyclone from?
long blade
i wonder if they would make all 4 covenants ARs
tropic trail
i hope
signal bone
are the utility abilities usable outside of the covenant's zones
like can I use the fae one in the vampire zone
or in instanced content?
dense plover
They are usable outside once you pledge to the covenant
dense plover
Soul shape is night fae
So you get it if you pledge to the night fae
I do not think you get the mobility ability until you pledge, just the active class ability
signal bone
right but can you use it outside of that covenant's zone
tropic trail
from what i saw the others are a variation on teleporting
i just skimmed through them tho
signal bone
and in instanced content
dense plover
Yes
Once you pledge
Why wouldn’t you be able to?
You probably can’t use them in pvp or time walking
Not time walking
Party sync
patent oriole
legion was one of the best expacs and this might be on the same level as legion
dense plover
And then you get it permanently once you pledge
patent oriole
the levelling is a great move
dense plover
Parts of covenants remain zone abilities
Like the abomination for the necrolords
It’s a bodyguard you can make but it only works in the necrolord zone
tropic trail
once again the nature zone is the prettiest
signal bone
like unburden
tropic trail
i love druids
dense plover
Both parts
They are permanent
They are not zone specific
You get them once you pledge to your covenant
tropic trail
its like a car
dark furnace
tropic trail
you can't drive it around outside until you graduate
until then you can just drive it around the test yard
dense plover
Yeah I very much doubt that tweet
dark furnace
The enemy types match
dense plover
Chromie has to stick around since she is the one who sends us on the leveling experience
No they don’t
One of them was fire
There is no fire zone
dark furnace
I don't remember the fire one
tropic trail
for now
dense plover
They were literally tied to the dragon flights
dark furnace
Ah ok
tropic trail
9.3 could have us fighting the entire dragonflight
insert infinite dragonflight expac here
dense plover
Yeah no
dense plover
I mean, it was pretty likely considering the first boss was ghuun
I suspect the final boss is the jailer
dense plover
They go to the shadowlands and then return
But
This would explain why rezan didn’t return
He is probably trapped in the maw
tropic trail
they set up 🅱 wosamdi
dense plover
That might be true for some of the other loa and wild gods too
tropic trail
i hope humans get tattoos in 9.0
imagine a fury warrior with a viking hair style and tattoos
eee we will be able to transmog legendaries like thunderfury
so
they retconned BtS now?
dense plover
What?
tropic trail
in BtS Sylvanas didnt knew that someone manipulated Voljins whispers and never wanted to be Warchief
tropic trail
didnt Danuser said that right now?
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, to expand on that a bit
BtS isn’t like chronicles
It’s dialogue
People can lie
foggy abyss
I remember Vol'jin being touched by the hand of valor
we might see him in Bastion tbh
tropic trail
🅱 TS ❓
dense plover
Before the storm
tropic trail
oh right
no its not dialogue
it was her own inner thought
or do you wanna tell me, Sylvanas lied to herself
playing 8D chess with her own brain
dense plover
It could be before she made the deal
Some devs are saying it started in legion
Some say teldrassil
It’s honestly hard to figure out when she made this covenant
sullen dawn
aww taliesen so nervous
sullen dawn
its josh i think
limber mural
and y'all wonder why I hate the idiot
sullen dawn
damn i liked his videos too
languid yoke
pretty sure blizz knows tali enough to know he'd host like this
tropic trail
eee i wanted to know something about the eye
of nzoth
assmongoloid is hosting next year
limber mural
Hate T&E cause Evi's fake and Tali's even faker
languid yoke
I'm mad that Ion also gave this horrible pillar answer, though
sullen dawn
evitel is not fake
sullen dawn
she's coming across as very genuine and profressional
languid yoke
Tali is not fake either, he IS genuinely excited about these things. A bit over the top, maybe
sullen dawn
yeh he's not fake, he's just nervous as hell and and not being very professional
languid yoke
but this "factions are a pillar of WoW" answer is such bs
it hasn't been for years now
limber mural
Nah I mean in general
languid yoke
when even the faction war focused xpac can't hold this pillar up
tropic trail
there is only one faction
languid yoke
yes I also mean in general
sullen dawn
botani
limber mural
'how awesome she was' yeah ok
foggy abyss
Quick question to those who pre ordered
sullen dawn
cosmology 😄
tropic trail
light and void in the future eeee
sullen dawn
wooo
foggy abyss
Is it still possible to upgrade the pack ?
tropic trail
hey look wrathion
languid yoke
lmao Evi so savage
limber mural
She just put him on the spot oh my
foggy abyss
If I buy the base expansion 40€
Can I still pay 15€ later to get the transmog & mount ?
limber mural
probably yes
tropic trail
yes Stronk
zealous basalt
Whats up n00bz
tropic trail
you just upgrade it
foggy abyss
Oh great thanks for the info
zealous basalt
Any good questions
tranquil steeple
languid yoke
good questions, some terrible answers
tranquil steeple
it's still getting updated with more questions and answers
languid yoke
like fuck the pillar answer about the cross-faction play question
just outright fuck that answer, that "pillar" is bs and hasn't been a thing even in bfa
zealous basalt
Q: Who won in Stromgarde and Darkshore war fronts, lorewise?
A: Canonically, the Alliance wins in both. Key old alliance locations, felt right for the story.
OSHIITI
sullen dawn
on the factions thing
languid yoke
canon: While we didn't watch they used the LFD ship 
tropic trail
we won in gilneas too
sullen dawn
i think taurens will be able to join alliance in the future for e.g.
sudden oak
chronicles is written from a biased perspective
languid yoke
you think
sullen dawn
but horde/alliance will never join
sullen dawn
races joining opposite faction doesnt mean factions join tho
dense plover
They wouldn’t do that
tropic trail
this is all propaganda of the orcish industrial complex
languid yoke
if tauren join the alliance then horde needs an alli race or two new races
dense plover
How would you do pvp?
languid yoke
so that won't happen
sullen dawn
as you usually do?
dense plover
They literally have said neutral pandaren was a mistake because you can’t tell faction
sullen dawn
im just talking about the way it works for pandarens
that has never once been an issue for me
dense plover
Yeah and they’ve openly said pandaren was a mistake
dense plover
Like they wanted to give the race
dense plover
But they said they don’t want to do neutral races again
sullen dawn
you'd have to be braindead not to be able to tell them apart
tropic trail
@languid yoke World of Wacraft is a different game factions have been a part of the the Warcraft universe for way too long to remove them
languid yoke
I don't want to remove them
tropic trail
i want neutral high elves
languid yoke
I want to enable cross-faction play
We interact with SO DAMN MANY races of the other faction
tropic trail
@tropic trail YES
languid yoke
but they are all NPCs
we can never interact with PCs of the other faction
that's just dumb
terse patrol
Blizzard is too set on the stupid notion that neutral races are bad.
languid yoke
that's not a pillar, it's just dumb
tropic trail
greg street is... who was that again
dense plover
Ghostcrawler
haughty kiln
The previous Ion
dense plover
He used to be the head dev
tropic trail
Ions, and particles and... doesn't ring anything
tranquil steeple
..... Ion Hazzakostas or w/e the last name was
tranquil steeple
then why make it seem like you don't
tropic trail
i was referring to Greg
limber mural
oh deary me. that's not what they mean ion
tropic trail
i worded it wrong
cyan prairie
unborn glacier
Q: With the faction war settling down, would you consider loosening faction restrictions on grouping with friends?
A: I understand you want to play with opposite faction and it would be easier for you but mechanically it's a pillar of what makes Warcraft Warcraft. That division has value, although we do want to look for ways for you to play with lots of people. Formal cross faction play is not in the cards.
I love this answer
unborn glacier
Its the perfect answer and I love it.
ivory meadow
it makes sense
languid yoke
how is that the perfect answer
if we can team up with NPCs not of our faction, we should be able to team up with PCs not of your faction
simple as that
cyan prairie
so alliance still getting closer to extinction in hardcore endgame?
languid yoke
yup because blizz dumb in that regard
haughty kiln
It's only a perfect answer if you agree with its conclusion.
To me the faction war has been silly for, oh, about 8 years now.
languid yoke
it's not a perfect answer if you consider how the rest of WoW went
if you consider not even a faction war xpac could hold up a faction war for 2 years
sullen dawn
seeing as ghostcrawler doesnt work there anymore, thats meaningless
also i dont care if thats what they think, its wrong
flint meteor
he aint anyone we know
calm plank
bruh I just saw that https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1190745335171145728
Twitter
flint meteor
pretty much a whole new villain
dense plover
That’s not meaningless
sullen dawn
blue eyes
calm plank
they know their player base
sullen dawn
seeing as design directors often have massively varying opinions, which trickle down across development teams id say yes it is
limber mural
...they're the ones who make the game my mans
sullen dawn
unless you can show me Ion saying the same thing
even then, i dont care if thats their opinion
unborn glacier
Its a time of peace. Doesnt mean thge faction divide needs to go away
dense plover
“This used to be true and it might not be now so I’m gonna say it isn’t because I don’t want it to be”
sullen dawn
no
dense plover
That is essentially what you are saying
sullen dawn
thats not what im saying
dense plover
It definitely is
zealous basalt
can you two kiss
sullen dawn
all this is telling me is you dont know how design team culture works
dense plover
“Unless you can show me Ion said it”
zealous basalt
Ion doesnt give a fucc about making neutral races
frail yew
Just waiting on all those covenant abilties to be released so I can figure out what fun vulpera I want to roll lol
sullen dawn
design leads perspectives reverbarate across teams and influence the decisions/opinions they have. what the lead thinks is very important. when a head designer leaves and a new one comes in things can get flipped on their head
there is no logical line from ghostcrawlers stance to ions
given that was from a personal twitter page
unborn glacier
Neutral races shouldn't be done again. Lorewise it made sense for Pandaren, but looking back it was definitely a mechanical nightmare for the team
sullen dawn
use your head
zealous basalt
You use your head
limber mural
Pandaren should've been alliance and the story since mop screams it
zealous basalt
Not all races are friendly towards eachother
sullen dawn
youre not even paying attention to what i originally said
i never said join factions
zealous basalt
That's why there is never a time of peace
sullen dawn
i said races should be able to pick a faction
so youre not even arguing with me
because i dont disagree with that
unborn glacier
No, they shouldn't
zealous basalt
Unless you are a traitor
sullen dawn
traitor? its a game
zealous basalt
Exactly
sullen dawn
i wanna play ally as a tauren. lots of my friends want similar things (for style reasons and also because they rolled a character on the 'wrong side')
unborn glacier
It would make no sense for a Nelf or Worgen to join Horde, Orc or troll to join Alliance, etc
sullen dawn
sure it would
unborn glacier
lol no
zealous basalt
If you "choose" to be a horde while being a race of the alliance
You deserve to be rekt
sullen dawn
just like how irish joined the british army to fight their own
zealous basalt
There is just too much hate between races
Irl crimes and game crimes aren't the same
sullen dawn
'deserve to be rekt' nice argument there
ivory meadow
but since each race has their opinion of the other side it's not possible
sullen dawn
its an apt comparison
frail yew
Burn the tree, go join the horde, even with sylvanas gone that makes no sense lol
sullen dawn
and yet some still joined the other side
zealous basalt
'hate' is still human
frail yew
I mean only reason the worgen would join because the undead have exposed bones. Kappa.
unborn glacier
Lol Shady
zealous basalt
Correct
sullen dawn
or to take advantage of goblin ventures
sullen dawn
a tauren could side with the alliance to support the nelves
ivory meadow
they aren't going to cherry pick the few that join the other side just to make it a feature
zealous basalt
Naturally your kul tiran would be dead, though
frail yew
Reasonably you could argue some of the race smight swap sides but for sure not ALL.
sullen dawn
yes thats all im arguing
that SOME might swithc
and should have the option. keep the factions of course
and maybe core races (humans/orces/undead/nelves) cant switch
frail yew
if anything just for the sake of adding more you could have 1 additional race swap for each faction
Tauren and....idk
ivory meadow
out of how many?
frail yew
that and I'm sure plenty would go the "Mercenary" route like Kul Tiran
unborn glacier
I have no doubt Tyrande and Genn are going to commit some crimes in the next xpac
zealous basalt
Me either
sullen dawn
yes shady
zealous basalt
I do expect it
More from Tyrande
She is going to be called out but she not gonna answer
sullen dawn
im talking like 2% of the faction here
zealous basalt
Q: What are some of the other customization things we will be looking forward to with our WoW characters?
A: Working hard right now on blood elves - more than 40 additional customizations for them coming. Showed some race customizations already - just a small sampling we're going to offer. Specifically with humans, we really want to offer a diversity that you can find in the real world so that you can really be in the game.
frail yew
Wonder if the maw could enhance negative emotions, Tyrande could go insane in the maw
sullen dawn
who do we think will get trapped in the maw?
dark furnace
I cant wait to see the Alliance crying over the High Elf options
If they come of course
languid yoke
nathanos.
dark furnace
Could be something else entirely
zealous basalt
I think they gonna be
sullen dawn
well nathanos can stay there for ever tbh
zealous basalt
For both belves and velves
languid yoke
SYLVI WAIT FOR MEEEE gets trapped and dies in the maw
zealous basalt
Also
Q: What happens when we die in the Shadowlands?
A: It's very different from when you die in Azeroth - i.e. the corpse run. In Shadowlands it's different, your spirit is not travelling back to you. We've created a different experience and screen effect - a different paradigm. The narrative behind it is Kiryans are the spirit healers on Azeroth who decide if a soul is ready to cross over into the Shadowlands. Our connection to Azeroth was always tethering us. In Shadowlands, Azeroth still needs us - aesthetic is different but that story is still the same. We still corpse run!
OSHIT
sullen dawn
i reckon jaina and calia get stuck there
zealous basalt
Q: Tier sets?
A: Wide range of epic armor sets. Class themed armor will return at some point, but it won't come back in initial patch of Shadowlands. Sets were originally a long term goal. Over the course of WoW, it was pretty easy to get your tier set. After that, the set feels like a prison - you never swapped it out. Bonuses are definitely exciting but not necessarily with a tier set. Legendaries will be very satisfying in terms of player power. Sets in other forms i.e. 2 and 3 piece sets will continue.
deep pawn
Bleh, pissed off they aren't learning
zealous basalt
Wym "aren't learning"
frail yew
you see the Fae armor for plate? that stuff is funny lookin
ivory meadow
as in working with the Jailor
sullen dawn
yeh
ivory meadow
not being captured part
sullen dawn
ah
ivory meadow
and Ty makes a decision that gets her trapped
deep pawn
They want you doing the raid every week for the entire patch. I want them to move away from that mentality
sullen dawn
i was pointing at the thing the devs said about 'heroes getting trapped in the maw'
signal bone
I wish someone would've asked about artifact transmog restrictions being loosened
instead of legendaries
languid yoke
also I'm not asking for alliance and horde becoming friends, but if we can team up and work together with named, but also random unnamed horde NPCs to fight greater and lesser evils, then we can team up and work together with PCs of the other faction to fight greater or lesser evils
it just doesn't make sense
sullen dawn
yes nwolf
signal bone
or why legacy loot can't apply to the previous expac
zealous basalt
@languid yoke I'd have prefer
frail yew
Wonder if they will have some PvP type thing in the maw, like a corruption thing where once your flagged like an "assassin" you can't leave the maw. lol
zealous basalt
If instead of factions we fight the other covenants
deep pawn
It's shallowlands, they're missing so many opportunities
zealous basalt
Someone ask
frail yew
new battleground 4-way Covenant War.
zealous basalt
10v10v10v10
frail yew
indeed lol
languid yoke
sounds fun
deep pawn
I'm just a bit disappointed in what they've shown so far.
zealous basalt
I am still not clear with whatever you mean with "want you to raid weekly"
frail yew
or you could do 20v20 and the covenant alliances shuffle each match or each week or something
zealous basalt
Invasions to other covenants
deep pawn
"you'll want to kill n'zoth a lot." Why, why should that be the thing
signal bone
any hints as to when alpha will start?
frail yew
I hope Torghast has some type of leaderboard, speaking of raiding. lol
deep pawn
March
zealous basalt
Oh
ivory meadow
that's the point of a Raid
zealous basalt
Me too
ivory meadow
Kyle
deep pawn
Don't expect it before March
ivory meadow
that's something that exist in every game that has a Raid
zealous basalt
Leaderboards for every group
zealous basalt
And of course
deep pawn
But people are burning out chasing rng gear every week
signal bone
are the talents in Torghast only usable there?
frail yew
more manual control for crafting as well
deep pawn
I didn't see that confirmed anywhere
frail yew
they did talk about crafting, like taking a crit gem and making it an accessory to guarantee ur stat rolls crit
zealous basalt
I - the chapter's greatest- will be top 1 every week
signal bone
that doesn't actually improve professions
since the gear will be made obsolete in like a week no matter
frail yew
and i assume the talents only work in Torghast cause I bet some of them might be nutty in open world
frail yew
well they said they wanted to make professions more useful again, so we'll see if they keep to that
or if "useful" to them is a very poor and weak interpretation.
sullen dawn
i like doing a raid for about 6 weeks kyle
feels like a healthy amount of time for a single raid
signal bone
less rng, more solo content, player choice and customization
how is that not an improvement
deep pawn
They want you doing the raids for 6 months
zealous basalt
Because he doesn't want that
sullen dawn
2-3 weeks on progression, 3-4 weeks on farm
signal bone
then what do you want lol
sullen dawn
i do
frail yew
its a valid point though, I hope Torghast doesn't give them a reason to slow down on content.
sullen dawn
i was answering his question
deep pawn
I mean the customization is great, but it's not changing any core aspects of the game
sullen dawn
wont the tower get super difficult anyway?
deep pawn
Oh boy, I can be a sand troll
sullen dawn
as you get to higher levels?
zealous basalt
MORE
dense plover
Seriously Kyle
sullen dawn
yeh that feels like solid content
dense plover
What do you even want?
frail yew
I wanted a new class honestly. lol
dense plover
Do you want them to reinvent the entire game every expac?
frail yew
^ plz
zealous basalt
like diablo
deep pawn
I don't know honestly, I had hoped when they said they were making classes classes, and then all they're doing is throwing passive things that won't change stuff
zealous basalt
Then your compreensive skills are really...bad
dense plover
Those are all examples
zealous basalt
It's a freaking sample of what is coming
sullen dawn
weirdly the thing im excited for for classes is soulbinding
zealous basalt
Like
dense plover
It’s not the entirety of the changes
zealous basalt
In what part of the deep dive they said
dense plover
I said this to you earlier today even
sullen dawn
i think it has the biggest chance of shaking up class 'feeling'
zealous basalt
"Changes are final"
deep pawn
You guys have more faith in blizzard than I do after bfa
unborn glacier
"After that, the set feels like a prison - you never swapped it out. Bonuses are definitely exciting but not necessarily with a tier set." Such a bad statement
frail yew
i dont fully understand how soulbinding works or rather whats avaliable with it, but it sure seems kinda neat
sullen dawn
if the artifact weapon passives are anything to go by
dense plover
Yeah cuz I played through warlords and then we got legion
If you have no faith, go play a different game
You don’t need to be Debbie Downer
deep pawn
Soulbinds are our essences
dense plover
All the time
sullen dawn
it's like swapable passive talent trees shady
zealous basalt
Which is really tired tbh
dense plover
No soul binds are passive talent trees
deep pawn
Minor essence
sullen dawn
you can set 3 different trees and swap behind them
frail yew
so like the heart of azeroth without it being a piece of armor?
zealous basalt
tiresome
deep pawn
Yes
sullen dawn
*between
dense plover
Yes shady
frail yew
gotcha
dense plover
Close to that
frail yew
ya i assumed that XD
dense plover
But there are socketable passives
frail yew
oh crap really? lol
dense plover
And also some choices
sullen dawn
yeh
frail yew
well then, 14 or so slots, plus crafting ur own legendary, this gonna be intense
zealous basalt
See?
dense plover
Yes
sullen dawn
plus new ability
zealous basalt
Shiba is more C: than people here
dense plover
There’s a ton of customization
sullen dawn
plus depruning
zealous basalt
deeprunning?
dense plover
New base class abilities, redone talents, soul binds with soul conduits, the 2 active abilities from your covenant
Lots of new things to affect your class
frail yew
i mean i get vulpera in a month, and then the Night Fae have a fox transformation ability, so ya I'm kinda nerding out C:
sullen dawn
and build your own legendaries
zealous basalt
My friend is hyped with the Night Fae
But im so into the Kyrian
But I think a monk goes better with Nature
frail yew
Do we know if there's a limit to legendaries yet? I assume you cant don the armor of the gods and have every piece a legendary lol
ancient jasper
"but the Alliance and Horde separation is what makes Warcraft what it is" <=== Really now? That's.. yea, sure, whatever.
dense plover
We do not know yet
frail yew
kk wasnt sure if i missed that part or not
frail yew
what was the limit for legion again?
zealous basalt
3
sullen dawn
2
frail yew
was 2 + 1 from a reward wasnt it?
dense plover
2 then later 3
sullen dawn
^^
zealous basalt
wasn't 2 + the one from Argus?
sullen dawn
ye
dense plover
They increased the limit with the Argus patch
frail yew
so we can safely assume 2 max.
dense plover
No we can not
ancient jasper
1, but Legion Order Hall gave you a 2nd then they unlocked a 3rd with Argus Patch
dense plover
They’re custom legendaries so it’s hard to say how strong they’ll be
frail yew
that is a good point
dense plover
The limit might be 1 at the start
dense plover
Covenants could give another once completed
frail yew
long as I get a new skill out of it i'll grind like a mofo, MORE BUTTONS!
zealous basalt
It gets keeping op
dense plover
And then maybe they unlock a 3rd with a patch
Well
Legendaries will be like legion
Not actives
Passives with major effects
frail yew
thought i head some might have actives, but could easily be wrong
dense plover
And customizable secondary stats somehow
frail yew
heard*
dense plover
Doubtful
zealous basalt
Crucible like
dense plover
Almost definitely gonna be passives
They described it as an evolution of the mechagon trinket
frail yew
meh legion legendary procs were neat on their own in several cases so, either way should be fun
deep pawn
I wanted cross faction pve at least
dense plover
You mean warfront?
ancient jasper
Prydaz was amazing.
zealous basalt
Like the Legion intro
deep pawn
I mean alliance and horde grouping together for pve
frail yew
Collaborative Journey into the Maw event?
dense plover
Oh yeah that’s gonna happen again - the whole prepatch man
frail yew
oh ya that
zealous basalt
It's easier for PvE than PvP tbh
dense plover
This expac isn’t faction focused
It’s covenants like with orderhalls
The focus will not be on the horde and alliance
deep pawn
They spent all expansion breaking the cycle, but don't have the balls to actually end factions
terse patrol
Blizzard’s good at playing it safe.
ancient jasper
You'd think after.. how many Expansions now where Horde and Alliance team up that you'd have SOME Cross Faction play, but nope.. Gotta preserve that Red vs. Blue. sigh
dense plover
It’s built into the engine
terse patrol
Blizzard’s ALWAYS been afraid of major change.
meager zodiac
@stiff vector sorry to ping you, but on twitter you said there was an allied race tease? do you mind specifiying
deep pawn
That's my issue. This expansion is just too safe for as little they are adding
terse patrol
It’ll happen when they stop making bank off faction transfers.
zealous basalt
Thing is
There is big split
Even if some people want factions to end
there are other people that are very pro faction
languid yoke
they just need an alliance of convenience
ivory meadow
technically 5
dense plover
But like - those 6 zones and you really only used 3
deep pawn
Unless mechagnomes stay op, alliance raiding is dead
ancient jasper
I'd be 100% fine with Factions staying in the game, but them adding a way to play Cross Faction would be GREAT.
languid yoke
doesn't need to be a faction merge
ancient jasper
I mean no matter what you do there will be skirmishes between certain outliers. There will never be perfect peace, but..
languid yoke
I want to keep factions for the sake of pvp, but have it be an alliance of convenience when it comes to pve LIKE IT IS THE CASE WITH ALMOST ANY NPC WE MEET
zealous basalt
We always do dat
But like
exact pve alliance
What question
did they ask to brozzard
exactly
Like
ancient jasper
Q: Would you consider loosening faction restrictions for grouping with friends?
A: They understand why you want to, but the Alliance and Horde separation is what makes Warcraft what it is and there is some value to mechanical reinforcement of that division. Grouping together is not an option at this time.
zealous basalt
Wrong question
stiff vector
@meager zodiac red shirt guy called out that the 4 new races in we are allying with that seem based on existing player skeletons making them great selections for new allied races, to which blizz went "we'll take that under advisement"
zealous basalt
They should have ask if Covenants will have impact on teaming
meager zodiac
oh okay !
ancient jasper
Someone did in an interview
zealous basalt
When aren't you
signal bone
yeah you can't group with people if they're not in the same covenant as you
so even more limits
deep pawn
That better not be how it works
zealous basalt
But that's for the tower, right?
ancient jasper
... What? Please tell me you are kidding, wingthor.
zealous basalt
Link it
ancient jasper
If that's true Blizzard just went full stupid
storm marsh
Guys, the Q&A ended?
zealous basalt
nani
signal bone
it was in the preach + finalboss interview
signal bone
I think it might have just been horde and alliance
now that I'm listening
not covenants
so my bad
I think one of the summaries on WoWhead had written it in a way that it indicated it was covenants
but I checked their article and the text has changed
now
zealous basalt
Where is the hammer
signal bone
tropic trail
this looks so cool lol
dense plover
That’s definitely wrong
They literally said you could group with people who are in other covenants
In the deep dive
ivory meadow
yeah I just looked it over
zealous basalt
Was Sockets on Benthic Gear a Whoopsie?
Ion: Yes. Once it was out there and people started earning them, it was too late to take it back. The power of sockets in general compared to item level especially on secondary and tertiary slots is kind of out of hand right now.
ivory meadow
dense plover
Like - the fuck are you talking about? You can group with anyone in your faction - covenant doesn’t matter
signal bone
yes I said it was a mistake
zealous basalt
dont get mistaken next time
weak bison
calm down
signal bone
wowhead had written a summary that said that it was a restriction
signal bone
also, where are people getting a december 2020 release date?
ivory meadow
baseless
zealous basalt
are they actually saying that
ivory meadow
and not reading
dense plover
They’re using the placeholder
dense plover
Cuz they’re idiots
signal bone
but only in comments
dense plover
The expac has a text at the bottom “will release by dec 31, 2020 or earlier”
storm marsh
Yes
signal bone
would there be any reason to suspect we might get this expac sooner than august?
ancient jasper
Just Lich King and Deathwing? Those are the only two they think we've teamed up on? I can think of at least 3 others. Battle For Mount Hyjal, Retaking Orgrimmar, Legion Order Halls.. Just off the top of my head.
zealous basalt
I think
dense plover
8.3.5 will function as the transition
signal bone
right and that will probably drop in january
zealous basalt
And this is just me
signal bone
end of january, with new raid in feb
zealous basalt
I think Blizz is just talking about PvP
signal bone
so then 6 months of raid
zealous basalt
but not PvE
signal bone
is august
zealous basalt
From the answers of "warmode is staying"
ivory meadow
yeah
dense plover
I suspect patch is mid December or early January
ivory meadow
that's what they're talking about
zealous basalt
I think that they think we want Factions to be oof
dense plover
Raid is almost definitely January
zealous basalt
Big misunderstand
signal bone
i hope december, but given the holidays I find it unlikely
zealous basalt
I'm okay with PvE allying indirectly
dense plover
Patch can release in dec without raid
weak bison
what would 8.3.5 have
zealous basalt
Uh
dense plover
Yeah 2 months is standard for major patches
dense plover
Oct to dec
dense plover
They said they have no plans for alt essence stuff
sullen dawn
maybe final ARs too
dense plover
That was said months ago
signal bone
similar to how 9.3.5 will be you can use mounts / cosmetics for multiple covenants
which is dumb
dense plover
And with 8.3 ptr
signal bone
I can't imagine they would restrict all covenant rewards
zealous basalt
Feels weird
signal bone
that long
dense plover
Think about when we finally got artifact transmog
Had to wait an entire patch
Expac not patch
signal bone
I'm saying, it's an obvious thing that players won't like and blizz will likely cater to at some point, and the fact that they know this now but won't do it for some arbitrary reason is really dumb
dense plover
“Oh you’re doing well with X covenant” cool
floral ruin
^
dense plover
It’s for showing off
Removing the restrictions means you aren’t showing off your current covenant - could be your alt that did the work
weak bison
i want to see a leather armor set from a covenant at some point
signal bone
it's up for the kyrians
dense plover
Could be a different covenant than the one you use
signal bone
I mean, I guess that makes sense
zealous basalt
Basically
signal bone
I would like to unlock all the sets at some point though
that gives the expac more replayability
zealous basalt
WEAR THE COLORS WITH PRIDE
zealous basalt
Make other people feel shit for choosing that covenant
languid yoke
I like that you can choose a covenant early on with alts
languid yoke
and work towards the endgame goal with ACTUAL progression
not like AP in Legion/bfa
signal bone
I wonder if alts can wear / use the cosmetic stuff if they join the same covenant as your main
languid yoke
where the AP you got during leveling was worthless
signal bone
while being less progressed
storm marsh
such a shame ARs are not getting more customization
zealous basalt
confirmed?
signal bone
I mean, AR in general have more cosmetic options than normal races
storm marsh
yes, in an interview
signal bone
even though they have less options within those options
so I can see why they stressed older races
storm marsh
in this interview, they're asked about customization and are allied races getting them. they said no
"for now"
signal bone
I hope torghast has cool mounts / gear associated with it
it's a shame the horrific visions don't
weak bison
are realms gonna be merged
signal bone
apart from the cloak
probably not, but I hope they make guilds cross-realm
I hope we get another suramar-like campaign
unborn glacier
Nah, that won't happen. They'll likely link more lower pop realms with each other
signal bone
but it doesn't sound like it
unborn glacier
You wont ever see guilds just be able to recruit from any realm
signal bone
how many soulbinders do you think we'll end up with for each covenant?
and you can max all of them right?
but only utilize one at a time
languid yoke
I only care about my buff bat man in the bottom left.
royal orchid
well, they shared this tweet with the current livestream
storm marsh
wait its no longer there, deep dive was free, now when i enter the page, there is no video
sullen dawn
whose got a pic of the arbiter?
vivid harness
no one i dont think
storm marsh
is she the one that decides which soul goes where
sullen dawn
ye
storm marsh
i want them playable so bad
stuck mica
This should be the Arbiter.
vivid harness
yeah
i was gunna post the same pic i got from wowpedia
was looking if there was an offical source tho
sullen dawn
thank you
calm plank
damn she looks cool
she's the one that chooses in which part of the shadowlands you end up right?
stuck mica
Yeah.
tropic trail
I wanna hug it
zealous basalt
I think the word is
lewd
Yall nasty
Where should I write stuff for the beta launcher?
unborn glacier
Lewd her
zealous basalt
prepatch
velvet wind
Which makes you wonder what level AR dks will start
ruby prawn
Did they give a date for the prepatch?
zealous basalt
Nope
velvet wind
Since AR dks come early in 8.3 for prepurchase
There is going to be a small window of time with AR dks but no level squish
ruby prawn
Maybe they'll make the AR dks start at a higher lvl?
velvet wind
So will AR dks not have heritage armor chance until SL?
lethal folio
Oh wait AR in SL was level 10 or so
velvet wind
velvet wind
Not that I saw
But AR dks come with 8.3 of you prepurchase
And no squish until prepatch
So 55 AR dks
So no Heritage?
velvet wind
But it’s coming
lethal folio
Only thing i saw is that DK and DH with shadowlands starts with lvl 1 and AR lvl 10 but i dont know whats with AR dks
velvet wind
Early DH, early AR, now early AR dks
ruby prawn
Wait, so normal/old dks and dhs will start at 1?
foggy abyss
Yeah
velvet wind
In SL yes
lethal folio
Hm i think you can collect it when you level to 120. Later you became it with level 50
velvet wind
Yeah but boosts don’t let you get heritage, so I wonder for the brief time you can start at 55 so with AR dks will still let you earn it
lethal folio
Ya only boost characters get no heritage
velvet wind
So the best way in 8.3 to get heritage is to make a AR dk cause they start 35 levels ahead
lethal folio
I think so.
Or in 9.0.
Hm i read about nazmor trolls customization. But idk for zandalari or normal trolls
Nazmir
foggy abyss
When do you think we can expect more customization option datamined ?
during the datamining of the Alpha ?
foggy abyss
I'll probably buy the basic & upgrade it to heroic after the set looks great
Ah I see, Guess we'll have to pray to get elves with beard
unborn glacier
Blue eyes :3
wooden topaz
feels bad man since the new starting zone for the next expac is going to probably get rid of the race intro for your character won't be able to hear the voice over from the guy who voices terenas menethil
sullen dawn
They're not getting rid of them
They're becoming part of the zones quest chains
And on alts you can still start in race starting areas
Only first character has to do the new starting zone
velvet wind
I hope with non AR dks you can choose to do the new dk starting zone that AR dks get. Cause it’d be weird if Bolger only raised ARs and Pandas
velvet wind
Well you have a choice between Exile’s Rise and OG starting zones, so it wouldn’t be hard to let non AR dks do the new intro
calm plank
what level does the exile's rise cover?
velvet wind
1-10
night swift
^
Youre only required to l do it if you’re a new player
You can pick it though when making an alt
velvet wind
Which makes me think dks May be able to choose the starting zone as non AR. I think this, it’s not a fact or confirmed, but I’d like it to be
night swift
Dks are weird
velvet wind
I just want to help daddy bolvar but not be an AR
night swift
So do ar dks start at 10?
velvet wind
I think?
azure estuary
I guess we will find out lol
night swift
Supposedly their intro is just a little fluff dialogue with bolvar
night swift
And then they’re off
velvet wind
I just wanna help daddy bolvar fight that bad fanfic elf
zealous basalt
I am quite surprised that people haven't complain about having to do stuff for the new tmog
velvet wind
What does the 120 boost start with in terms of gear?
harsh wedge
@velvet wind 388 ilvl, 50 neck
zealous basalt
When was that added
harsh wedge
8.2.5 I think
zealous basalt
No no
tranquil steeple
the group progress tracking
zealous basalt
The progress tracker
tranquil steeple
either that or 8.2, but most likely Party Sync, yea
velvet wind
Thanks, Aenyth
zealous basalt
Time to do an all nighter for those echoes
zealous basalt
When does blizzcon end
craggy nexus
In about 45 minutes I think.
zinc sandal
I'm still at 4/40
pulsar iris
i got myself thinking now
if all souls are going to the maw, and nature spirits usually go to ardenweald when they die to reform...
that means most wild gods are in the maw?
strange falcon
deep pawn
Do C'thraxxi go there?