DH and DK require getting to 50
#beta-ptr-spoilers
unborn glacier
Here we go. CLASSES BOIS!!!!
dark furnace
I wonder if you choose Classic you get the Classic zones instead of Cata zones
dense plover
No
sullen dawn
Ok the real meat time
dark furnace
Ah rip
signal bone
this expac sounds amazing
dark furnace
Would be great with the choice
signal bone
heritage armor won't be a chore to get now
night swift
This is great
dense plover
Vanilla versions don’t fit in the game anymore
dark furnace
It would be cool to have that choice though
sullen dawn
Ok first is depruning
dense plover
Wow classic was a great leveling experience - clean slate and you earn stuff at levels and talent points
sullen dawn
But there needs to be more changes except depruning
dense plover
Worked well through BC through MoP
Then action bars got too full
And power creep was too much
Talent system was changed because every choice matters
Then they started to prune in warlords
And the artifact system next
Artifact was great
And they wanted to deliver spec identity
And fantasy
Decided what each spec was
They got lost a bit on class fantasy vs spec fantasy
Some specs felt too far away
Covenants are about being part of the 4 groups
And you get cool class abilities and the soul bind system
But azerite and artifact showed they didn’t have enough hooks
Dangerous spot
Recalibrate everything
Really listen to all of the feedback from legion to now
Fixing problems
“Just fix it”
Great feedback - “I’m not happy”
But they have to gauge how disruptive they want to be
They want you to go into shadowlands and remember how to ride the bike
Class changes shouldn’t make people unhappy going into shadowlands
Should feel more fun for the player
Not as extensive as in legion
Mostly adative
New spells
Or bigger spells
craggy nexus
Riding and flying at level 10 and 20 probably?
sullen dawn
Show us the damn solution
dense plover
You make a lvl 1 disc priest until you play 10
Then new buttons appear
It feels like changing classes
That’s bad
Level 1 - inspected
No spec
Then you pick at 10
And gain new things
Don’t lose core abilities
Spec should double down on core abilities and class fantasy
night swift
Oh heck
strange falcon
basically like classic
dense plover
Make sure they can give you abilities
strange falcon
where you were unspecced until 10
dense plover
Class defining mechanics
sullen dawn
Please dont remove spec identity
sullen dawn
Cool, I'm 2 mins behind in stream
dense plover
They have auras
Buff bar meant a paladin was with you
Another idea
Totems
Coming back also
Shamans still have some
velvet wind
hearing totems and auras made me shit my pants
tropic trail
epic return of auras wow wow so epic
dense plover
Rogues
Assassination got all the poisons
No more
Poisons are class wide
Rogues are the only class with poisons
woven finch
YAS
dense plover
Warlocks and curses
sullen dawn
Damn I hope I dont have to use poisons on my outlaw
velvet wind
please say 2h frost
dense plover
Used to be 1 curse on 1 target
woven finch
I sure do
dense plover
Now it’s being brought back
Leveling up
Getting a taste of every part of your class
All mages are damage dealers but some classes have different things
But mages get a taste of each of the different schools
Frost fire and arcane
How those schools lean into a role
Priest
woven finch
PRIEST
dense plover
All priests can tap into the light to heal or harness shadow to destroy their enemies
woven finch
SO DO WE ALL GET PENANCE??/
dense plover
Holy priest having shadow word death
And shadow priest having flash heal
Different weapons
night swift
Holy shit
dense plover
Shamans get mace and shield
1-10 primal strike for shaman
Warriors get a taste of protection wth shield block
Iconic class abilities
Some abilities hold a special place
patent oriole
they are going back to basics,as it should be
velvet wind
gimme that juicy 2h frost
dense plover
Raise dead
night swift
So will melee classes not be weapon locked anymore?
woven finch
all dks have pet
dense plover
One other
woven finch
cool
night swift
Wait all dks can have pets??
dense plover
Some stuff doesn’t feel like a choice
normal mango
unholy necromancer inc
dense plover
Demonic circle, summon gargoyle, cyclone hammer of wrath hunters mark antimagic zone
Long lost friends
Maybe felt weird back then
But people want them background shattering throw kill shot ritual of doom challenging shot and eyes of the beast
tropic trail
eyes of the beast! eeeeeeeee
dense plover
They want to hear about stuff that isn’t here
normal mango
AMZ 😮
dense plover
Taking these tools and using them in combat
Up next
New content for shadowlands
Paul is back
velvet wind
no 2h frost 😦
sullen dawn
New class content?
dense plover
Torghast and the Maw
sullen dawn
Oh
woven finch
its prob there just hasn't been announced
sullen dawn
Disappointed by class stuff
tropic trail
so ready for eyes of the beast with a seagull
dense plover
The maw is a zone - access point to torghast, home of the jailer, prison for the vilest souls, more recently an unjust prison for millions of others
zealous basalt
anything about monks?
tropic trail
eyes of the beast so epic
dense plover
There will be more stuff later probably
pulsar iris
peach, will they talk more about customization options for races?
dark furnace
lol
dense plover
Going to the Maw a shadowlands story
Paul and Brian - nexrolord And night fae
Place rules by torment and terror
Not a friendly place
Deadly creatures, environments, and mechanics
Not just recolored creatures from other zones
Paul enters making his way to torghast and runs into a big nasty
He dies
As he releases the jailer notices him
Anything you do - killing stuff dying
More stuff sent by the jailer
Shade hounds have increased aggro radius
Kill squads directly targeted at you
Be surgical be careful
Pass through maw to torghast
Center and anchor of the maw
Home of the jailer his most valuable prisoners and dangerous forces
Strange and confusing
silk oasis
40man raids off adds coming after us =p
dense plover
Image is an ingame image
Similar to ice crown architecture
Instanced dungeon scales 1-5
Different parties should always work
Healer and tank or no healer and tank
You and enemy grow as you climb
sullen dawn
just tower
dense plover
Progress unlocks new challenges and complexity
night swift
Oh ok
dense plover
And there are temporary rogue like buffs as you climb
Floors built encourage exploration
Not a timed mode most of the time
strange falcon
MOST of the time
dense plover
Always be climbing the tower - be thorough and maybe take time hunting for anima
Manifests in the maw as black goo
Which can give choice of buffs within the tower
One example - extra health or extra mastery
Another example
Attacks can deal additional shadowdamage Over time
And then you find a follow up
When you deal shadow damage you have a chance to blind the target
Golden Idol is another - can see which enemies have additional anima
Only one player needs it
Some things can affect your covenant abilities
Some affect specific enemy types
IE - mawrats explode when they die
And then a player has a thing that makes soul shape instantly kill them
So now they murder them
Until Maw rats stop appearing and they die
Changes over time
Jailer changes tactics
Event after a few weeks of the expac
Beast heavy event
With different powers
Summons that do thing as abilities and then follow up powers
All of these are within the tower only
Think rogue like
Reason for climbing
Legendaries
You collect tunes and bring them to a forge run by a mysterious rune sage
Can choose slot and power and sometimes secondary stat distribution
And panel is over
D4 systems and features is in 10 min
night swift
Legendaries can have stats allocated?
dense plover
Sometimes
night swift
Interesting
dense plover
Specifically secondaries was what was mentioned
pulsar iris
so no customization talks?
normal mango
hmph I remain unconvinced
dense plover
No
night swift
Nope
dense plover
They said customization was still early on
tropic trail
that dive was rlyt deep
pulsar iris
the only thing i wanted to know about
dense plover
And would be talked about closer to release
normal mango
not-so-deep dive
woven finch
so they are talking more about class stuff, what other things are we wanting back though?
dense plover
The fuck do you want?
tropic trail
necromancer
dense plover
This was a deep dive
signal bone
I honestly don't care about any of the class stuff. Flavor things like eyes of the beast are nice, but how often do you actually use this stuff / how useful is it
dense plover
The same as they’ve always been
Well they’re going to be going through talent trees
sullen dawn
quite disappointed with the class stuff tbh, and this is coming from someone otherwise very hyped for expansion
signal bone
with one new ability from the covenant
night swift
What no
dense plover
They said playstyles people like will be the same wintthor
They didn’t say playstyles aren’t changing
signal bone
how do they guage that
limber mural
They aren't gonna show you everything before the content's come out
dense plover
They literally said that
I literally typed it
Reading comprehension
It’s important
sullen dawn
no but it would be nice to hear some of the thoughts they have about the direction theyd like to take the different specs playstyles
dense plover
The specs won’t be changing
limber mural
did they show draenei customisation
tropic trail
im already bored of shadowlands whens next xpac reveal
strange falcon
we have a year+ of waiting,obviously everything's going to be rough
dense plover
No new customization stuff
sullen dawn
rotation wise?
limber mural
ho hum
strange falcon
major triple A games get made in 2 years
limber mural
ok
sullen dawn
ret rotation is pretty dull atm
dense plover
Anu can you just stop being obnoxious?
night swift
The xpac isn’t even fucking out yet
dense plover
You’re just filling space that doesn’t need to be filled anu
sullen dawn
its a stun tho
dense plover
It’s annoying as hell
limber mural
Divine toll isn't a stun rofl
woven finch
auras are back for pallies from what you typed right?
limber mural
It's an AoE judgement
limber mural
It hits everything in 30yrds with judgement
woven finch
alright, thank you
dense plover
Specs probably augment them in different ways
sullen dawn
oh damn
terse patrol
Are there no new specs, or new race/class combos?
sullen dawn
i thought it was an AoE hammer of justice
dense plover
No new specs
night swift
AR dks
terse patrol
What the fuck is the main selling point of this expac then
dense plover
Race class combos outside of AR DKs is unknown
sullen dawn
Arthas
dense plover
But they said they would talk about DHs later
Dunno what that meant
Maybe a blue post?
woven finch
so priest question, do all specs prob get pennance?
dense plover
Dunno
night swift
Dunno
terse patrol
Because this is rapidly feeling like Argus 2.0 the expansion.
woven finch
alright, be cool if it did though
dense plover
I’m sick of the ducking negativity
If you don’t want to play, great, but you don’t need to ruin it when it isn’t even out yet
We don’t even have a beta
night swift
The xpac was announced yesterday. If we know all it has to offer already it’ll be boring when we get in
woven finch
oh I'm excited for the class changes, just want to talk about things that would be cool. What do you think would be coolo?
sullen dawn
i diont think honkerton said he didnt want to play
dense plover
What the fuck do you want? 7 new specs?
Great let’s make even more problems
Did you not see the DH reveal?
They couldn’t figure out a 3rd spec
languid yoke
they didn't want a 3rd spec, either
woven finch
oh from older blizcon.
zealous basalt
People that want a new expec or spec don't realize how fucked things are atm
dense plover
And your characters gets more than just a covenant ability and a class ability from the covenant
There’s ducking talent trees
night swift
This xpac is about Class identity rather than Soec identity
dense plover
Multiple PER covenant
novel zodiac
a transmog :v
zealous basalt
Like for real, Blizzard can't make classes if the current are really bad
night swift
Adding more specs wont help
zealous basalt
use your brain
tropic trail
wat no
long blade
they are fixing everything which is a good thing
dense plover
^
long blade
instead of adding more to the mess we have
zealous basalt
And they don't need a exp feature to reveal races anymore with Allied Race system
terse patrol
I just don’t get what the “new” features are. No announced ARs.
velvet wind
tossing more logs on the fire doesn't put out the fire
sullen dawn
ars are BFA honk
night swift
ARs were a bfa thing
long blade
Class spells
ivory meadow
long blade
DK ARS
terse patrol
They said ARs would extend past BFA.
dense plover
New features - entirely overhauled leveling experience, AR DKs, new abilities for all classes or old abilities returning, covenants with class abilities
When did they say that?
sullen dawn
no they said we might see thema gain
long blade
Level squish
foggy abyss
To be fair Shadowlands looks good
royal orchid
zealous basalt
Idc about new classes
dense plover
Oh yeah and 5 new zones plus a massive sickass roguelike dungeon
royal orchid
i don't think they showed this
zealous basalt
first fix the ones atm
foggy abyss
I was worried after the preview because it was awfully empty, but I'm reassured
sullen dawn
really the only thing im disapointed in is no class skins and lack of 1-2 more covenants
woven finch
THATS COOL AS HEL
sullen dawn
other expansion is hype
tropic trail
uuuuuu those bone wings look goood
sullen dawn
*otherwise
dense plover
4 covenants is a lot
unborn glacier
I WANT THOSE FUCKING BONE WINGS!!!!
zealous basalt
now you gonna say "it will be good for a necromancer"
long blade
in the covenant
zealous basalt
Oh wynter
dense plover
Because each one has multiple soulbinds Toby
sullen dawn
its more for flavour peach, i have a LOT of alts
dense plover
Then do different soul binds
dense plover
And each covenant has an armor set for each armor type
So that’s way more armor sets than just from bfa raids
zealous basalt
A friend just fainted when I told her we can shift into foxes
unborn glacier
I wonder what the Mail sets will be
night swift
Probably ugly knowing mail sets
dense plover
Don’t make snap judgements
long blade
mail set is actually good
dense plover
We don’t know
sullen dawn
mail looks better than leather this time for kryians at least
dense plover
We haven’t seen any sets except plate
night swift
I’m not I’m memeing lol
zealous basalt
I still say it
unborn glacier
@long blade ?
night swift
I want it to look good
sullen dawn
we have drawings of all 4 kryians ets
zealous basalt
With the Allied Race System they can add any race they want without having to waste a whole expac
tropic trail
guess ill go necrolords for mog as my demo lock and pretend im a necromancer
unborn glacier
^
strange falcon
@unborn glacier https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485580837115527177/639953652316110862/882974.png
unborn glacier
Too light for me
night swift
Oh fuck I love it
dense plover
Okay those are all pretty great
zealous basalt
are people showing all armors?
unborn glacier
They are really nice
night swift
My main might pick them
dense plover
These are the only ones we have that aren’t all of the sets
strange falcon
are unfinished
unborn glacier
But I wanna see the Necro and Venthyr Mail sets
dense plover
Like they aren’t done yet
sullen dawn
mail actually looks the best
zealous basalt
I get pally on Kyrian
dense plover
We don’t have them yet
long blade
yep those
unborn glacier
Have to wait for beta
dense plover
Zones seem pretty far along from the videos
unborn glacier
rip
long blade
mail is raw asf
strange falcon
inb4 the artists needed to take off 2 years by resting during bfa
zealous basalt
SHOW MONKS GFDI
dense plover
Also really huge
dense plover
Kinda seems like that
sullen dawn
zones are very big
dense plover
This is 16 armor sets
zealous basalt
poor WoD team
dense plover
4 per type
strange falcon
like nazjatar sets
zealous basalt
they are the fodder
sullen dawn
yeh excluding raid and dungeon sets
dense plover
Raids only had 4 in bfa if you include crucible
zealous basalt
While Legion team kicks stuff up
sullen dawn
but bfa also has heritage sets
dense plover
So this doesn’t even include dungeon and raid and leveling sets
sullen dawn
and warfront sets
dense plover
This is legion levels of armor sets
strange falcon
and team 2 is so bad
why do they keep giving every other expac
to team 2
wod,bfa
etc
dense plover
Because it takes time to learn
sullen dawn
there is no team 2...
sullen dawn
its a process thing not a people/talent thing
dense plover
Warlords was used to train the new people
pulsar iris
i will disagree with you peach
dense plover
It takes time to teach people
pulsar iris
i enjoyed warlords. not as much as pandaria, but i did enjoy
bfa wasnt any enjoyable
sullen dawn
i think they dont have the best internal work processes, but to say they have an A and a B team is justwrong
dense plover
^
long blade
Honestly im happy they are adding baseline spells again
night swift
Yeah thats great
long blade
unholy dk is gonna be even better with my valkyr out all the time
night swift
Wha?
dense plover
I don’t know about that
night swift
That was a major cooldown
long blade
they show the gargoyle
dense plover
Oh yeah
long blade
which can be changed to valkyre
dense plover
The glyph
long blade
but yeah not all the time
dense plover
I don’t think that’s a pet tho
long blade
i meant as baseline
dense plover
Pretty sure it’s like once every 5 min
long blade
yeah no i worded it wrong
night swift
Gotcha
dense plover
Lol
night swift
But wait is raise dead baseline for all dks now?
dense plover
The cameraman just zoomed in on someone wearing a “fire Bobby kotick” shirt
night swift
Oof
limber mural
@night swift seems to be so yes
night swift
God yes
limber mural
Also bruhhh if they gonna give me Killshot
sullen dawn
Ok guys blizzcons over 9.1 speculation time
night swift
Wait that means we have a pet class that can tank now
limber mural
I know they won't, it'll just be BM/marks but
zealous basalt
1-10 unespecced is like Pandaria
limber mural
mak y'know you go 1-10 unspecced now, right
sullen dawn
I predict 1 new covenant per major patch in SL
limber mural
that's bold
dense plover
I don’t
night swift
Maybe more abilities
dense plover
Because changing covenants is bad
limber mural
that's like saying one new order hall per content patch in legion
that terms of content
night swift
But not a whole new one
dense plover
I expect convenient a to grow
sullen dawn
Changing isnt bad just takes some time
dense plover
That are new but are on top of your current one
sullen dawn
Secondary covenants would be good
dense plover
You have to re-earn stuff
limber mural
Honestly I can see now I'll have at least a character in each of the covenants
sullen dawn
As it would give framework for 10.0 major and major factions
dense plover
This will not be something you can easily unlock on one character
limber mural
My main is definitely going Bastion since lightforged upholding duty etc etc plus hunter Kyrian ability looks broke as fuck looool
dense plover
Toby there is no reason to redo old stuff now
This leveling overhaul makes redoing old stuff literally moot
Since it doesn’t have to fit the timeline now
sullen dawn
no it didn't, it cleared the old expansions out of the way
a revamp makes even more sense now
modest temple
the soulbinding takes anima correct? they didnt tell us how we get it and in what quantities did they. if there was a limit or just go wild
sullen dawn
because 90% of the world is used for levelling
dense plover
You get anima from the tower
sullen dawn
instead of end-game open world content
dense plover
Some mobs give more
They literally just said they want people all in the current expac
sullen dawn
yes
dense plover
If you spread out the entire playerbase then every zone will feel empty
sullen dawn
that doesn't conflict with making all of EKs/Kalmidor 'the latest expansion' or evegreeen
modest temple
im wondering if it isnt d3 paragoning but with a skin of putting the points into people
sullen dawn
not if they merge servers
dense plover
Yes it does
They can’t
Servers have to hold data dude
They can’t hold more people
You can use sharding
sullen dawn
thats not the issue
sullen dawn
becauser zones are containorized
dense plover
If I was a gambler I would bet money that you are beyond wrong
sullen dawn
but 2021 we'll have our ultimate showdown 😉
dense plover
I do not think they will ever overhaul the old world outside of maybe some visual updates for the faction cities
zealous basalt
methinks you two are going to be eaten out by the dragon
dense plover
Or like - mob updates
dense plover
And tree upqdates
zealous basalt
They got rid of the need of revamp
unborn glacier
How so?
zealous basalt
You start at 1-10 as current story
then if you are new you go directly to bfa to level towards Shadowlands
however if you are alting
you get time shenanigans
and you can start BC-Wotlk-cata-mop etc
And if you want to level in the classic azeroth
go play wow classic
dense plover
^
bitter horizon
So is the mop legendary questline going to be active again...?
long blade
doubt it
dense plover
No
zealous basalt
i cry
dense plover
Those things won’t return
sullen dawn
anyway we'll see, not point going over it now as its 2 years before we'll know
unborn glacier
What a travesty. Imagine removing a chunk of story
zealous basalt
level again just for shits and gigles
zinc sandal
2 years? You mean ~10 months
unborn glacier
Just change the reward ffs
bitter horizon
Man I just want the mop questline back 😔
night swift
Level an AR Mak
sullen dawn
i mean for 10.0 laz
bitter horizon
Rest sounds good though haha
sullen dawn
haha i just said that
dense plover
You were sure it was happening with 9.0
bitter horizon
You’re very aggressive my guy
dense plover
We’ve been dealing with it for months
deep pawn
Im a little disappointed in the deep dive. Adding poisons to outlaw and sub doesn't do much
dense plover
I can’t handle two more years
night swift
It is way too early to even predict what 10.0 will be
unborn glacier
I feel like this scraps Party sync
deep pawn
They aren't doing reworks on the level of even legion
dense plover
It doesn’t
Party sync is still relevant for repeating quests
Legion was too much
They just threw away half of a class during legion
It was too much
night swift
They want to fix the gap that legion left
deep pawn
Like you have no new class or spec, putting some Band-Aids isn't enough to make classes whole
dense plover
It’s not band aids
night swift
And make the specs closer to the class than further away from it
dense plover
It’s literally the opposite
Also because they are moving talents baseline they’ll be changing talents
strange falcon
the legion scope of class redesign was "oh survival,ranged spec since forever,nah dude you're melee,get a totally new kit"
night swift
Like pallies having auras in all specs now
deep pawn
Then the summary I read wasn't in depth enough
dense plover
The stuff listed wasn’t all of the stuff
It’s not a deep dive on class philosophy
It’s an expac deep dive
And only an hour
strange falcon
*45
dense plover
We will get more info over the next 8 months
deep pawn
It sounded to me that each class is getting 2 things to shut them up
zealous basalt
Monks
dense plover
It’s definitely way more than that
dense plover
Monks are mostly in a good place
night swift
Way more to it than just “a new thing”
zealous basalt
we need jab again
dense plover
It’s like that some abilities will return
zealous basalt
So it feels we are the weapon masters that the desc says
deep pawn
Or he can learn to not be so defensive, haha
dense plover
I’m going to go insane that people are already saying “this sucks” when it’s not even implemented yet
night swift
^
dense plover
It’s literally text on a ducking board
strange falcon
i mean,it is true we are MORE THAN A YEAR away
dense plover
Wait for the first beta
dense plover
No one is forcing you to prepurchase
strange falcon
by a major company
night swift
People are so quick to judge now
dense plover
They’ll be releasing more info via blue posts
They already did a blue post for bastion
I’m sure we will get one for each zone
One for the tower
One for each covenant
And then probably one for each class
They did that with legion
They’ll probably do it again
But also - untelated to class stuff
Soulbinds are the actual major progression system
And the anima system is super vague
That’s what we really need to see more of
zealous basalt
heh
strange falcon
i mean,people came back mid legion because they heard it was decently gud especially after wod
dense plover
I’m expecting the return of dailies
zealous basalt
after BfA everyone became a game designer expert
strange falcon
so if they want to be negative and say this sucks,they'll probably come back
when they hear the expac is good
obviously there is a nonzero chance the expac will not be as great as we are propping it up to be
but we have a year to wait
dense plover
Pretty much
zinc sandal
@dense plover Can you explain Soulbinding, please? I kept up while you were posting, but it was kinda messy.
dense plover
I’ll wait for beta
It’s like a talent tree based on a person within your covenant
Each covenant has multiple
They can be switched like switching talents with the time
They are mostly linear
2 things that make them not linear
What I believe are soul conduits
Gem slots for passive abilities
night swift
So like a Kyrian player could bind with Uther and have a talent tree themed around him
night swift
Maybe
zinc sandal
That's awesome though wtf?
night swift
Ye
zinc sandal
Gimme.
dense plover
Yes it is
It’s a secondary progression system
First time through it requires max level
It does not on the second time
quiet vine
quiet vine
guess you talking bout this
dense plover
You can switch them at the book like you can talents
strange falcon
dense plover
It is what I was talking about
You’ll notice the golden border ones are empty
And have a little icon beneath them
This is sort of like a passive version of essences or maybe gems
Not fully sure
They seem to be acquired from various tasks
Oh
Ya know what
They’re closest to legion relics
But like
Argus relics
Where you have a passive
And then slot it
It provides a ton of player agency
Especially because they probably drop from a specified type of content
There’s a ton of choices
Stories
It’s taking the best things from past expansions and fixing any problems and making stuff better
Sanctums have been described as shalaran meets class halls
IE repair and upgrade the hall
And there’s additional cosmetics for your mount and armor with the cloak replacements
It seems great
deep pawn
BFA proved to me that waiting for beta is too late
dense plover
tropic trail
Shegogorath vampire!
Chernabog people!
I want to play a gargoyle man
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/6/61/Profile_-_Chernabog.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20190312041146 Going to play a lock like
hasty elbow
since we will got new customization, do you think they will gave eyebrows to nelf without beard or black hair color for nelf?
languid yoke
bara bat people allied race pls thx
zinc sandal
I hope so...
hasty elbow
^
tropic trail
They have female concept art, I think they'll be a thing. A playable race that is
woven finch
more hairstyles for belfs
dense plover
Dukkha- lots of things have females and aren’t playable
They’re focusing on players
Player choice, player customization
I don’t think we will see more ARs soon
hasty elbow
i hope they will gave night elf black hair color and i will be eternally grateful...
dense plover
It’s likely
tropic trail
I don't care. I want to play as a Gargoyle
dense plover
Lots of new hair styles and colors
woven finch
yeah man, give the belfs freaking blue hair and eyes
woven finch
wait they said that eyes can be double so can we have like a yellow and green eye?
or a light and void eye?
dense plover
Uh
tropic trail
They're gargoyle inspired and I want to play one
dense plover
I never heard that
They’re inspired by vampires
Not gargoyles
Those are different
dense plover
Yeah, vampires
languid yoke
vampires are more human
tropic trail
And? Those people are based off of gothic gargoyles mixed with vampires?
dense plover
The Vethyr are literally called vampiric
Show me a picture and explain how it invokes gargoyles
Plz
tropic trail
The winged guys
languid yoke
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/blog_header/j1/J1DP1JEELR7N1572653550348.jpg these guys don't invoke gargoyle or vampire to me
tropic trail
Spitting image of one made flesh
languid yoke
they are just bat people.
tropic trail
Lemme play a bara-bat pls blizz
lime venture
how much time left to WoW Q&A?
lime venture
ty!
languid yoke
ye it's a bit confusing, agree
dense plover
The bat people are more like the vampire bats in the Witcher
strange falcon
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/resized/884465.jpg i mean,this is pretty funny
languid yoke
that slide was 10/10
tropic trail
9.0 making humans fun again
ancient jasper
@languid yoke That honestly reminds me a LOT of the Vampyres from Runescape
dense plover
Now we wait for QnA and then for the wowhead article that goes through all of the various interviews about shadowlands
tropic trail
humans after 9.0 are just like asian jim from the office
long blade
I wonder why they didnt show more examples
tropic trail
lol
languid yoke
because they aren't ready
ancient jasper
I wonder if they'll give us more info on the new Character Customization
languid yoke
xpac is roughly a year away
no, they will keep it secret /s
pretty sure once beta hits we'll know way more
long blade
Like straight back trolls and undead
languid yoke
straight back trolls unlikely tbh
dense plover
It’s possible tho
modest temple
straight back worgen
languid yoke
straight back doggos yess
long blade
so lore wont matter for straight back darkspear
dense plover
Makes some sense with the new skin colors for trolls
tropic trail
wait, is gold getting squished too
languid yoke
no
tropic trail
so level 60 with like 2mil gold
ancient jasper
I'm hoping the whole eye color separated from face isn't just for Trolls. That is something EVERY race needs.
languid yoke
it's not
I'd assume it's a general change for all races
pretty sure that's where they are aiming at, and it's what interviews make it sound like
tropic trail
how does it work for elves tho
ancient jasper
For Night Elves I guess a choice of Normal/Golden/Night Watcher eyes
And for Blood Elves a choice between Green/Gold/..Possibly Blue?
modest temple
more visible fangs for nelves is something a nelf fanatic ik has mentioned in the past
tropic trail
I think the nelves will get some highborne customization options
modest temple
i would like a normal skinned void elf
modest temple
antlers...
tropic trail
if you want a fair skinned, blonde elf. The Horde is there waiting for you
modest temple
dats a good one
tropic trail
I'm not joking
ancient jasper
Nightborne just need a complete rework face wise honestly. They look so bad compared to the NPC's
long blade
This is their chance to really give us alot of options
ancient jasper
How many times has the Horde nearly drove the Blood Elves away with their idiocy again?
cloud iron
Looking at the Deep Dive video - I am looking forward to this endless dungeon. It has a very cool D&D vibe to it, or a Diablo season adventure vibe, where monsters/effects are different each time.
long blade
reminds me of SAO
cloud iron
Im hoping there is no 'map' but there is a map everytime you discover something.
ancient jasper
Targhast reminds me of a Rogue-like, honestly. Which I'm hyped for
cloud iron
YES
Thats it!
I have always enjoyed those type of things; where you get items and create your own builds based on what you get.
Honestly, if they do it correctly. This is the answer to wow's problems in terms of 'content' drying up.
tranquil steeple
so far guesses are mid december or early to mid january
weak bison
what was in deep dive?
midnight delta
Recap is up on mmo c
dense plover
Blizzard posted a recap
midnight delta
Shadowlands will be good, thats for sure.
midnight delta
from what ive seen, i have the hopes :>
weak bison
whats exiles reach 🤔
cloud iron
New starting zone for new players, but its also optional for everyone else.
It allows the ability for friends who play different races to level together
weak bison
ok
dense plover
It’s very pretty looking
Large island off the coast of stormheim
Bigger than mechagon from what I could tell
Leveling and exiles reach will be in prepatch and will probably the most important focus of early beta
weak bison
was there anything about pandaren tho
night swift
You still have the choice of starting in your race starting zone
So pandas will still be on the island
dense plover
You can level in your racial starting zone as long as it’s not your first character ever
weak bison
ok
dense plover
On a slightly different topic
Preach 8nterview seems to put anima as a bit like ancient mana
You need it to upgrade and use your sanctum
But it’s a bit more than that
weak bison
just to make sure, can allied races start on exiles reach or do they not start there
dense plover
They do not
night swift
They start at 10
cloud iron
Allied races act as level 10
dense plover
They start at level 10
cloud iron
so its straight into choosing a zone
night swift
They immediately meet chromie
dense plover
Exiles reach is 1-10
weak bison
ok
dense plover
Allied races are the on,y ones who can’t use exiles reach, which makes some sense because allied races are unlocked, which implies you already know what you’re doing
And DKs and DHs I think
signal bone
do heirlooms still work? So basically you could get an allied race to 50 in a day
dense plover
Their intros are 1-10
signal bone
and get heritage armor
cloud iron
Im happy with the chromie idea. - Ive always hated being a LF and just casually strolling through WOTLK. Now it makes more sense lorewise.
cloud iron
Dont get me started with heirlooms, if they change it I feel like all the gold I spent went to waste
dense plover
It was wasted
midnight delta
If they throw them away we might get something for it
midnight delta
or if they gets converted to something else idk
cloud iron
depends on how everything changes. If its the same pace, then technically the gold was well spent. - Its just different levels.
dense plover
I imagine they’ll be getting rid of the 3 heirloom upgrade levels
They’ll probably have 1 level
weak bison
will chromie approach us again when we complete a expansion for example i complete bfa's 3 zones
cloud iron
Again, all depends on how long it takes. For all we know it could be 1-20, 20-40, 40-50
dense plover
No, you’ll be level 50 by the time you finish BfA
weak bison
sooo much xp then
dense plover
You will only need 1 expac to level
light stirrup
DH and DK start at level 1
cloud iron
I dont know how I'll feel about reaching near max through BFA. Yeah BFA is long, but 50 levels? Hm..
sullen dawn
Will allied races start at 10?
night swift
You’ll be going through, all of the xpac’s content for leveling
dense plover
Yes Bork but they don1-10 in their starter zone
Allied races start at 10
DH and DK start at 1 and level to 10 with their unique starter experience
cloud iron
@night swift So wait, does that include patch storylines?
midnight delta
Wow, that demon hunter must been bored.. Im the only one on ptr in stormwind and a DH kills guards ;D
night swift
Like Ion said, if you wanna go through legion, you basically do all of legion’s stuff, including suramar and argus, as leveling
dense plover
^
They will probably be removing a bunch of rep requirements
Or increasing rep amounts
weak bison
isnt argus like legions max level content?
dense plover
Yes
night swift
I’m pretty sure patch content will be leveling content, the way Ion put it in the rundown
dense plover
^
cloud iron
I.. - actually might enjoy that. Leveling on its own is stale for me, but leveling through patch content might be fun, depending on the expac.
dense plover
Well considering how much patch content just is wasted
night swift
A nightborne going through legion and being a part of their own race’s insurrection will actually make sense now
cloud iron
Because its timewalking. - Im excited for it.
weak bison
man i so want to play the 9.0 beta now lol
cloud iron
I honestly just wanna do it for leveling, screw shadowlands 😛
obtuse vine
Wait guys, blizzard said that everyone who died in the last couple of years have went to the maw, including legion people like vol’jin, so how tf did he get out?
dense plover
Not everyone went to the maw then
This is the same issue people had with the 10 years since BC thing
They’re talking about real years
obtuse vine
They probably just forget or they’re gonna say “well he was special”
obtuse vine
They did say legion casualties went to the maw in the deep dive panel
night swift
But then Uther is there
dense plover
We might see Rezan and The king of zandalari
night swift
Wait nvm
dense plover
Might be a confused dev
Not all of them know the actual story
I suspect it started in BfA
Maybe end of legion
tropic trail
demons don't go to the shadowlands i think
deep pawn
She probably made her deal after greymane destroyed the lantern
tropic trail
so legion casualties means our side
night swift
I wonder if Sylvanas’s dealings in legion have to dk with all of this
deep pawn
So post broken shore, but before the end of legion
tropic trail
so just the isles questline