beta-ptr-spoilers

[crimson jasper]

that is true

[lean yew]

Wouldn't be surprised if they planned them but cancelled it

1. theme doesn't fit but 2) maybe they just didnt like how they played so they didnt committ, would explain the empty feeling features trailer

[dark furnace]

Or they were delayed or something

One could hope

[zealous basalt]

I'd not hope in that

Though

I wonder

When will we be able to test the new dk intro for 8.3

[dark furnace]

Perhaps next build

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[crimson jasper]

well maybe they wanted to focus more on the coming class changes

[zealous basalt]

I just can say

[crimson jasper]

since thats seems to be a big thing again

[zealous basalt]

Not emptylands anymore

If all its going to be real big

[novel zodiac]

meaby we're getting 2 classes next expansion

[zealous basalt]

its hard to take you serious with the :v

[dark furnace]

Or a Pandaria situation with both race and class

[novel zodiac]

it would be good?, yes, it is possible?, fuck no

but well, one can only dream

[calm plank]

I think right now they're focused on changing existing classes

they said they wanted class identity to be more important than spec identity or something

[crimson jasper]

ye l think they will do a good job

[novel zodiac]

so all classes wont have an aoe, interrupt, self healing and that?

not all*

[crimson jasper]

oh my

[tranquil steeple]

if they're lowering the amount of interrupts classes have, let's hope they reduce the amount of spells being cast a bit aswell in comparison to BfA

[zealous basalt]

freaking new bnet ui has epic games style

[crimson jasper]

theres a new bnet ui?

[dark furnace]

Yup, you can try the beta for it

[tranquil steeple]

if you enable the beta in settings, yeah.

[dark furnace]

I personally think its great

[crimson jasper]

oh l have to check that

[unborn glacier]

The beta ui was in existence before Epic

They ripped off Bnet Beta

[tranquil steeple]

look in #screenshots from Stormy

and you can see how it looks

[zealous basalt]

o

[crimson jasper]

oh seems a little buggy

l cant escape fullscreen mode xD

[zealous basalt]

ful

what

[crimson jasper]

the launcher launched fullscreen for some reason xD

[zealous basalt]

weird

[crimson jasper]

weird indeed

eyyy made it to normal

no idea what that was

[calm plank]

wait

someone said they're gonna reduce the number of interupts?

[crimson jasper]

didnt hear about that

might have just been speculation

[deep pawn]

If anything "unpruning" wouldn't touch interrupts

[novel zodiac]

i just said

[zealous basalt]

Nothing

[novel zodiac]

that if they're chaning the class "identity"

what would they do?

don't give all classes aoe/interrupt/self healing?

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[calm plank]

mages don't have self heals 😔

[zealous basalt]

dey has food

[calm plank]

can't use that in a fight

[zealous basalt]

Invis

food

[calm plank]

bruh then the mob will go back to full health

[novel zodiac]

its the only class without self healing

[zealous basalt]

das what you get for not being gud

[deep pawn]

arms has to run away for theirs and it's a talent

[novel zodiac]

nobody play arms lul

[calm plank]

I guess there's this trait back in legion that would heal fire mages when they used that tp spell

[novel zodiac]

why would you play arms when you can play fury

[deep pawn]

awww, RIP the dream of Sylvanas loyalists getting to help her attack Icecrown

that would've been too epic

[novel zodiac]

why?

they said that choices about sylvannas didn't matter in Shadowlands

we don't know about 8.3 or 8.3.5

[tropic trail]

there still can in 8.3.5 be an attack on icecrown

the death knight stuff happens before sylvanas kicks bolvars ass

[deep pawn]

they said the loyalist cutscene "wrapped that story up"

[novel zodiac]

wow

so that fucking choices didn't matter

[deep pawn]

If you are a Sylvanas loyalist, the things she said to you at Windrunner Spire were meant to wrap up that specific storyline. She's basically saying "You were with me, you made these choices, you were on the right side of it. Those choices can't save you from what's to come." So it was meant to wrap up that arc because it was not something we wanted to carry forward.

[tropic trail]

yes, I read that. But why do we have then a datamined full cosmetic set called "loyalist set" ? Before that datamine I also thought the loyalist quests are done

[novel zodiac]

"you were on the right side of it", now come and kill me in the next expansion because reasons

[deep pawn]

Who knows, maybe it was something they were considering and scrapped

[novel zodiac]

like tinkers? :v

[crimson jasper]

still the childish lil nitpicking l see~

it is an mmo, it is nice they gave us choices to make and maybe we get some cosmetics from it, think they'll program in a whole different raid for loyalists? l think not

gotta stay real with some things

[novel zodiac]

we're getting cosmetics from it?

[crimson jasper]

"maybe"

actually reading helps

[novel zodiac]

well

at the ends its the same shit

choices didn't matter

[crimson jasper]

smh

lost cause

[deep pawn]

I didn't expect it to carry through to 9.0, but I was hoping for a special 8.3.5 scenario for the assault on icecrown

Not both sides going there to try and stop her

[crimson jasper]

maybe they will implement something there, nothings really known yet for 8.3.5

just because it was brought to a closing doesnt mean they cant make a "transition"

overall it is hard to do in a mmo to give a choice that has a lasting impact

if you dont want to split up the playerbase even more that is

[novel zodiac]

its not that hard

gives players a choice

players pick a side

[crimson jasper]

do it and come back once you were successful

and we end up with

[novel zodiac]

the choice picked the most wins

[crimson jasper]

8 factions?

oh sure

and especially you

would be happy if the one win that werent your choice yes? ;P

[novel zodiac]

yes

[crimson jasper]

suuuuure

[novel zodiac]

its fair play

[crimson jasper]

nods

[zealous basalt]

Tmw people dont know the difference between a mary sue and a op character

[novel zodiac]

sylvanas is 1 expansion left to be garrosh

[zealous basalt]

How is she

[novel zodiac]

blizzard ruined garrosh by putting him in every god damn expansion

[zealous basalt]

...whats wrong with being a recrurrent character

[novel zodiac]

look at Thrall

people grow up to hate him

with all those "green jesus" memes

[dark furnace]

I thought people loved Thrall

[zealous basalt]

ei

EI

I JUST WANT TO KNOW

WHAT THE FUK DO WE DO WIT THE EYE

[crimson jasper]

judging by the cheers they gave when metzens name popped up, they do

[foggy abyss]

Which eye ?

Gift of N'zoth ?

[zealous basalt]

Yes

[foggy abyss]

You use it for a toy I think

[tropic trail]

so im guessing that on one of the panels tomrrow we might get to see a new class..? i really dont bothered of Tinkers now im way too hyped and happy classes are getting more stuff lol

PEOPLE STILL AWAKE?

[unborn glacier]

@tropic trail No new class

It would have been announced already

[tropic trail]

Blizz class philosophy: you're awesome as your current class

That's why I main a monk ever since I started

@tropic trail no one is awake this is just an illusion

LUCID DREAM

YOGG-SARON CONFIRMED

@unborn glacier ah okay either way we are going to know things that Ion didnt said today..

@tropic trail Yes.. Yogg-Saron wants to be your friend

I can tell

Because I own Vala'nyr

[unborn glacier]

I wonder if we will learn about Yoggy boy and the Curse of flesh in Shadowlands

[tropic trail]

The legendary mace from Ulduar

lol

okay im going to sleep im tired

Hi Tired! :D

cant wait for tomorrow's panels eeeeee

Hi Yogg-Saron's friend

It's 7:20 AM here. I'm used to waking up at 5:45. Don't think I'm weird cause I'm way too early for a weekend

Either way, Monk leveling will be

Stronk

Heirlooms + monk buff + raf = no need to buy a boost

Still...

ASIAN HUMANS

[unborn glacier]

If the Forsaken can also be upright as well as full bodied, I'll swap to Forsaken rather than Vulpera

[calm plank]

I wanna see the rest of the customization options

[unborn glacier]

^

[calm plank]

the stuff they said about the draenei ones sounds really interesting

[unborn glacier]

We'll likely see more at the deep dive

[calm plank]

true

there's so much potential with something like this

I also hope they'll do more stuff like the night warrior skin tone for night elves

[tropic trail]

I wish night warrior weren't a skin tone

I like my purple elf

[calm plank]

well didn't they say that eye color won't be tied to your face anymore?

maybe they'll do the same here

[foggy abyss]

Tbh I want to see the customization options

Trolls / elves with beard would be amazing

[deep pawn]

I just want blue eyes and tattoos for blood elves to make the high elf fans spontaneously combust.

[unborn glacier]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS

XDDDD

[deep pawn]

I mean they made dark trolls an option and they're canonically down to 1 member

So lore is out the window

[uncut vault]

That’s an incredibly petty thing to want

[tropic trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5fSWsIHvNU

We'll get our last two allied race announcements tommorow, or shortly thereafter. And they'll likely be Mogu and Sethrak

[foggy abyss]

I doubt there will be any new allied races

[unborn glacier]

We wont be getting any new ARs still after 9.1

[tropic trail]

There will be

We'll get the last two to fill the slots

And it'll slow down from here on out

But of course, blind pessimism in in vogue now

They were advertised as a BFA feature, we got none in 8.2 for some odd reason. We're getting six on each side this expac

[deep pawn]

I don't know. I really feel like they'd have hyped that up already

[tropic trail]

Why would they?

Today is about the new expac

ASIAN HUMANS!

Save it for tomorrow or sunday

I will be one happy monk next expansion

[unborn glacier]

Asian human AR

[tropic trail]

I wonder if this means I cam make my warlock named Tsung look like Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa

[unborn glacier]

Long lost human race locked in a cave in Pandaria

xD 😂 👌

[tropic trail]

I'll cackle til I die when they reveal blue and purple eyed Belves

[unborn glacier]

^^^^^^^^

[tropic trail]

Shang Tsung xD

[strange falcon]

You guys havent stopped talking

Go to sleep 👀

[tropic trail]

My Avatar captures my mirth when this will happen

I just woke up

It's 9:03 AM here

[strange falcon]

Me too o.o

[tropic trail]

But Dafire

I can do anythinf!

https://youtu.be/krUNpqa5Qpo

THE POWER OF WEEKEND IS STRONK

[unborn glacier]

If they give us Blue eyes for Belves, I will personally DM every person I know who has been stanning for playable Alliance Helves

[tropic trail]

I want a shelf allied race

[strange falcon]

That will be soo funny

[tropic trail]

Just put plushies on it

[strange falcon]

The shitstorm will be glorious

[tropic trail]

Also whatever else people put on a shelf

Books?

[unborn glacier]

The shitstorm will truly be amazing

[tropic trail]

"HOW D-A-A-A-ARE YOU GIVE BELVES BLUE EYES?"

I'm not mana addicted, it's just really appealing. They didn't use to call us High Elves for no reason!

[strange falcon]

hIgH eLvEs ArE aLlIaNcE

[unborn glacier]

HeLvEs ArE nOt BeLvEs. ThEy ArE dIfFeReNt RaCeS!

[uncut vault]

or consider: not being assholes over a customization option

[tropic trail]

ASIAN HUMANS THO

All I ever needed

Well, that and scarf cloaks

[calm plank]

I need

playable sethraks

[tropic trail]

Baccpaccs, wings, halo 3s and I hope for scarves

[calm plank]

understandable

[tropic trail]

I just hope they would have cloak keyframed motion, not be physics based and clip through everything

Ha... ha. Hah. owns 26 scarves IRL

[strange falcon]

@calm plank while future is currently bleak,there is 2 open spots on the AR screen,and one of them is worgen related,so there may still be a chance

However they dedicated 100% of bcon to 9.0

[tropic trail]

"I suddenly like snakes despite being from a rainy environment!"

Maybe that's how worgen would recruit sethrak

[calm plank]

I better get my sneks 😤

[tropic trail]

Snacks

[calm plank]

sethraks are all snacks

[tropic trail]

Sorry I haven't had breakfast yet

[calm plank]

me neither

[tropic trail]

Does anyone else call Tracer from Overwatch Tracy? Am I weird?

[calm plank]

I've never done that but it sounds nice

[tropic trail]

If you can't Tracer, just trace her!

Puns are a crime against humanity. And nelfanity. And dwarfanity. And orcanity. And belfanity.

Okay, let's chill out with the puns. They're snow boring. Not cool at all

Hello?

[strange falcon]

If you think puns are a crime,you havent seen Monster Hunter's dialogue.

That game is 90% cat puns

[tropic trail]

Oh neow

[calm plank]

palicos are the purest life form in existence and I will not let a single person speak badly of them

[tropic trail]

Pandaren that is

[dull flame]

everyone is hyped about new customisations but my long hair is still clipping thro hoodies

😠

[tropic trail]

Fond memories of MoP. I'm such a kid xD

[strange falcon]

@calm plank have you seen 15th anniversary vid

[calm plank]

not yet

[tropic trail]

I wonder if that level squish means that, for example Elwynn Forest is a 1-5 zone

Instead of 1-10

[dull flame]

no

it says 1-10 is new expirience now

with mini dungeon

and everything

O_o

[strange falcon]

It said only for new players too

The new minidungeon

[dull flame]

but if you make new toon that starts from 1 you prob have to go thro tho there might be skip option

i kinda want to find out too

and what does all this mean for twinks

and already leveld alts at certian lvls

[tropic trail]

I think twinks will stay the same

[dull flame]

but if ih ave say lvl 49 will it stay 49 or if i have lvl 51 will it go to 50

[tropic trail]

Small task for ya. Level an alt or make an allied race twink right now.

[strange falcon]

Also they people started heavily freaking out when they said "alt friendly" more than any feature

[tropic trail]

And wait till prepatch

[dull flame]

i kinda doubt if you have toons on lvl 50 they will stay 50 after 9.0

😹

[tropic trail]

Likely to go to like, level 20 or something

Maybe even lower

[dull flame]

also will allied races stay lvl 20 as starting point

[tropic trail]

Nope. Level 10

[dull flame]

and DK / DH starting level

[tropic trail]

Likely 20 and 38

[dull flame]

considering DK can be any race now

prob low

38 on DH ?

such random number

[tropic trail]

40 by the end of the starting zone

[strange falcon]

Makes sense

[dull flame]

hmmm

[tropic trail]

@strange falcon No they havent

They commited one day to shadowlands

We still have the dive, Q&A and more

Definitely gonna start asking questions myself

[dull flame]

im hoping for some Q/A list on wowhead after today's dive

with that infinite level dungeon what happens to m+ and shit

[strange falcon]

The Q&A could be fun

Though i dont think anyone will get any "will X be playable"

[tropic trail]

I will definitely ask if monks can get a glyph of the pugilist: no special effects to your attacks

[calm plank]

that could be nice tbh

[tropic trail]

I just want my Blackout Kick to not have that purple line. It's annoying if I move around

[unborn glacier]

I want Artifacts to be Class locked, not spec locked

[tropic trail]

Tbh

They're going to do an AR in 8.3.5

[strange falcon]

Oh yes we knew that

[tropic trail]

The pre-order is access to dks in 8.3

Which means, we're wrapping it up in BfA

[strange falcon]

There is still 2 spots left on AR screen,and with december or earlier release date,they are bound to have a content drought

And just like legion,theyll wrap it up with the last two ARs

Following the pattern would be a worgen and undead ars

[tropic trail]

Sethrak and thin humans!

Not

Wanna play a thin human?

Middle ones

I can’t wait to see night elves

More hair options and facial marks, perhaps?

I wanna see Draenei

They need a lot of new features we look like run down tree women

Tail slider

I want to make my draenei DK as eredar as possible

I want him to be a spitting image of Archimonde

In all his clammy grey glory

Archimonde is pale blue

He's grey

[strange falcon]

@tropic trail draenei they said tail lenght options and jewelry

[tropic trail]

See

Grey

Will Worgen get tails?

[strange falcon]

Unlikely

[tropic trail]

Are you sure?

Yeah

[strange falcon]

Theyd have to do more than just a few touches

[tropic trail]

That's grey

[strange falcon]

The draenei tail lenght has been ingame since tbx

Just unused

[tropic trail]

What other race has tails? Sethrak. Sethrak AR confirmed

Man blizcon was so fun

I got to play the demo for shadowlands it was beautiful

[strange falcon]

Sethrak do have a fully animated tail

And hiss emotes in the middle of animations

[tropic trail]

ANGUISHED SCREETCH

Maybe in 2030 I'll be able to go to BlizzCon

[calm plank]

gimme playable sethraks >:C

I wanna hiss at people

[tropic trail]

Sethrak will be an AR

[calm plank]

they better be

[tropic trail]

There's a /hiss emote

[calm plank]

it's lame if anyone other than a sethrak is doing it

[tropic trail]

From the moment we see saw their unique Artofloop, and attempts to tabard and cape geoset

[strange falcon]

Sethrak do have some weird animations for an npc

Also yes ^

[tropic trail]

Happy snekbois xD

That was when they started cracking down

Because Vulpera got all but confirmed

[strange falcon]

Theyve hidden the work on them,to not take attention away from allied races that were coming earlier

[tropic trail]

Almost want a sethrak to name him Jörmungand

Which means big snek in Norse

Why else would the Alliance have an entire war campaign segment about them

[calm plank]

if I can't get my dragon bois at least I can get my snake bois

[strange falcon]

Dangernoodle is the best name

[tropic trail]

Mythological creature

I have a friend who named his dwarf shaman Mjölnir xD

After Thor's hammer

I'm excited for the new customization

ASIAN HUMANS

Might have to make my dworf hunter dark skinned and with tats

Might finally make an unded rogue

Oh!

My rogue's been rawrgen so far

I hope humans get old man options

[calm plank]

^

[tropic trail]

I want to make Viktor Saltzpyre

[strange falcon]

Alliance

[calm plank]

I'm tired of buff humans

also blizz gimme strong ladies pls

[tropic trail]

I want to make Lyo how I imagine her to be

[strange falcon]

@calm plank fat humans,
Also kultiran women are pretty strong,they just arent toned

[calm plank]

true

but I don't really like their customization options

[tropic trail]

That's athletic fat

Like Sumo wrestlers

It's Mark Henry fat

[calm plank]

have y'all seen how toned the zandalari gals are

[tropic trail]

I have seen nelf abs

[calm plank]

nelfs ain't got nothing on zandalaris

[tropic trail]

Nelf female hands are so weird tho

I thirst for snake tits

[calm plank]

well you'll probably be dissapointed

[tropic trail]

That was a joke

And no, I've dreamt it

Precognition Xeno

[calm plank]

I just thirst for the snakes

[tropic trail]

I've seen their recruitment scenario

You ever get that feeling of Tracer reference?

[calm plank]

hehe

[tropic trail]

Man

I cant wait til the next expac

I loved BFA

I can

I have to

We all have to

Im going to play the shit out of Shadowlands

[calm plank]

not with that mindset lyo

[tropic trail]

XD

Hopefully the pVp is fixed in that expac

I took it literally!

We have to wait! Till August, likely

[calm plank]

I'm not a pvp player but I wanna do it for just one reason

fox mount

[tropic trail]

Just get the Legion one?

I might PvP in season 3

[calm plank]

this one is boring

I want armored fox

I swear it looks so good

[tropic trail]

I want a new Shadow Frying Pan mount

I mean, Shado-Pan

Oh!

Those armored tigers were so cool

I need to make a lightning mog using the lei shen plate headpiece

[calm plank]

isn't it the copper colored one?

[tropic trail]

Yup

[calm plank]

maybe the uldir set will go well with it?

[tropic trail]

The normal version, yeah?

[calm plank]

ye

everyone keeps complaining about the raid sets in this expac but I love em

[tropic trail]

My transmog is currently terrible

Still farming pieces

[calm plank]

I keep swapping mogs

probably my biggest gold drain

I'm not even sure what's my current mog rn

[unborn glacier]

I hope tier sets return

And Class transmogs with it

[tropic trail]

I think youll get the tmogs

But not the bonuses

[unborn glacier]

😦

[tropic trail]

Cant wait to play my Mechagnome monk as well

Nope

Mechagnomes were rushed

Eh not really

[dull flame]

they fucked up with 4 limbs

if they gave us option wich limb we want

it would be much better

[tropic trail]

Yeah

[calm plank]

it'd be cool if you could like

have all your limbs normal except for one arm

[tropic trail]

DOOMFIST GNOME

[calm plank]

baby sized doomfist

[tropic trail]

XD

But then they'd have to do 4^4 animation sets

Which would be too much

I hope they'll make more asymmetrical glove/shoulder sets

I always liked stylized symmetry

[calm plank]

^

[tropic trail]

Imagine having a big gauntlet on your right hand and a regular glove on the left

As a monk

That'd be rad!

[calm plank]

well it's not that big but the leather kt dungeon set has different sized gloves

[tropic trail]

Yeah, the Kul Tiras dungeons

But also the Chosen Dead set for mail

[calm plank]

oh yeah this one is nice

[tropic trail]

It's why I hope the invisible fist weapons monks get were made available for all classes

PUNCHING SHAMAN! PUNCHING ROGUE!

[calm plank]

warrior except he beats you to death with his hands

[tropic trail]

XD

As prot anyway

Just Captain America it up

Or Kratos in God of War 4...?

He has the ability to punch and shield bash

[calm plank]

there's an in depth look at shadowlands today right?

hopefully someone will do a summary of it cause I'm gonna go to bed

[tropic trail]

NO

Too soon

[calm plank]

I haven't slept yet and it's 9am

Perfect time to go to sleep

[tropic trail]

BRUH

[calm plank]

Bruh indeed

[tropic trail]

I wonder if the old races' hairstyles got new textures to match the new ones

[tropic trail]

did they annouced necromancer yet?

[languid yoke]

no new classes

[tropic trail]

there will be no new class

[languid yoke]

what even is that question lmao

[tropic trail]

it would have been in the overview vid

with new zones

and shit

[weak bison]

is it possible to play dk on allied races in 8.3 ptr?

[tropic trail]

yes

oh ptr

dunno

in 8.3 yes

[lone marten]

not available on ptr yet

[tropic trail]

Token at 280k

[vernal juniper]

next build of ptr will probably have it

some things are still hidden on ptr till the end of blizccon

[weak bison]

has there been anything new about shadowlands, went to bed about 9 hours ago

[languid yoke]

no

[vernal juniper]

no

[languid yoke]

wowhead hasn't even posted their interview

they just post 1 line every few hours

[vernal juniper]

big news day is today for gameplay so

anyway, are rewards already in game?

[weak bison]

whens that

[vernal juniper]

if I buy heroic version they already give me a boost?

[limber mural]

@vernal juniper the preorder ones? yes

[vernal juniper]

yeah

I was asking since noone is buying things on AH

bags/gear etc and I was wondering

[austere gazelle]

I want an explanation for this now. What was the connection...?

[smoky mural]

maybe the necrolords stuff

[storm marsh]

I have an idea which is very unlikely, but I dk how else would this AR come to life. So they confirmed scourge invasion 9.0 pre-patch. Knowing Blizzard, they could pull off this. Calia might get to remaining members of scarlet crusade and recruit them to Alliance, but they die to scourge soon after and she resses them. Edgy

[indigo laurel]

@austere gazelle I mean, the new lore heavily implies that "Death related magic" comes from the shadowlands. We know that horde warlocks used to ressurect the dead (first generation death knights, Teron Gorefiend etc.) So it makes sense that the channeling instrument of their leaders (who himself practiced necromancy) has a connection to the shadowlands

[slender summit]

Just fyi, this is how leveling will work now.

[storm marsh]

Kinda depressing

[smoky mural]

awww the forsaken starting zone was awesome

[indigo laurel]

The zones will still be there. You just won#t start there

afaik

[storm marsh]

I hate it. All races will loose identity introduction

[slender summit]

Question is how pandaren will work

And worgen

[storm marsh]

When you pr5ess enter after choosing name, it will make you choose faction immediately

And that system is already in game

[slender summit]

That’s not good. The Wandering Isle is honestly one of the best experiences you get in WoW. If you’ve never played through the pandaren starting are I suggest yo go do it.

*you

[storm marsh]

Im altoholic

😛

[slender summit]

Same

[indigo laurel]

I'm pretty hyped for the additional customization stuff, honestly.
Plus the need to do less leveling in total.

te things I'm more iffy about are mostly story-related, but I guess thats just part and parcel of being a roleplayer in a game thats using its story more to further gameplay and coolness 🤣

[inner copper]

Anyone got a picture of the pre-order mount?

[storm marsh]

Now if they only confirmed that customization is coming to allied races, too, my life would be done.

The new customization is a feature to me like a new class or race.

[inner copper]

Same

Sadly won’t do for worgens probably

[languid yoke]

I don't see why worgen and goblin wouldn't get new customization, they hardly got anything with the revamp

and looking at what they have in store for the other races, worgen and goblins SHOULD get new customization options, too

[storm marsh]

Their answer would be "well... they got updated recently so we will keep them like that for next 10 years"

[strange falcon]

btw,after yesterdays reveals,we need to keep the tradition going

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yw0-JtPe9Ds/maxresdefault.jpg

[storm marsh]

I still hope for alpha worgen hairstyles that let you choose to wear a helm without having that enormous ugly hair on the back

[sullen dawn]

looking forward to deep dive today

[strange falcon]

Yea

[cyan prairie]

Give me War Paints for Orcs!

And Taurens

[tropic trail]

and for gnomes

[cyan prairie]

nobody plays gnomes

[sullen dawn]

i play gnome

[cyan prairie]

Gnomes are just NPC race

you think you meet players, but they're just NPCs

[sullen dawn]

upgrading to mecha main in 8.3 tho 😄

[cyan prairie]

Being an alliance main, lul

[strange falcon]

Lul

[sullen dawn]

....

im not a mythic raider it doesnt matter

[dull flame]

keep playing horde soon they gonna merge factions coz nobody plays alliance anymore

raids are almost dead

[cyan prairie]

i wonder if they are gonna give some more changes like nose-rings for Orcs

[sullen dawn]

yeh looking forward to merge

[cyan prairie]

such a common feature, but still unavailable

[dull flame]

i dont like horde bfa hub or maps hence im alliance but damn horde got vulpera now.....

seems like blizz does love horde alot

[sullen dawn]

yeh vulpera are a good reason to stay away from horde

infected with furries

[dull flame]

taurens are not furry

[cyan prairie]

said by a faction with playable dogs...

[dull flame]

nobody cosplays as a cow

[sullen dawn]

no taurens are badass

[dull flame]

XD

[sullen dawn]

i meant vulpera

[dull flame]

worgen is a furry type

[sullen dawn]

hey i play both factions

[strange falcon]

Covenants are the new horde/alliance

[sullen dawn]

just guild is on alliance

yep: D

[strange falcon]

[sullen dawn]

and in 10.0 hopefully covenants in revamped azeroth representing old reps

i wanna rep bloodsail 😄

also, when cosmic war comes, were defo getting 6 'covenants'

one for each cosmic force

[tropic trail]

Ion said the Maw works like a black hole so time can be slower there

maybe we come back to azeroth and anduin looks like this

and we face void lords

[sullen dawn]

i think that stuff is gonna be 11.0 or further

the cosmic battles

10.0 needs to be a revamp, its getting ridiculous

[tropic trail]

and what do we do in 10.0?

building homes?

[sullen dawn]

there can still be enemies

just more of a neutral theme

calling 10.0 as WoW: Reorigination

[uncut vault]

an expansion with no world ending threat is precisely what WoW needs

bring some of the relaxed vibe of pandaria to all of azeroth

just fight off threats in the various kingdoms

[limber mural]

the sha were... pretty world ending

you mean an expansion with lots of stuff besides a world ending threat

lack of overarching world ending threat

[uncut vault]

I didnt say the sha werent a threat, I said that pandaria had a lot of laid back vibes

and no, I dont want any world ending threat

it can just be an expansion with small stories rebuilding the races

[tropic trail]

that would get boring pretty fast

peace is boring in games like wow

[uncut vault]

dealing with a generic threat by smacking it really hard every single xpac has already gotten boring

might as well shake it up with some actual building instead of tearing down

[tropic trail]

i mean there are farm simulators and stuff

or there is a farm in pandaria

if thats your thing

[languid yoke]

constant faction war and faction frends has gotten boring too

bfa was proof of that

[uncut vault]

Yes, Im asking for more of that, lol

read what Im saying dude

[tropic trail]

facing off againts bandits and stuff would be a huge step back

[limber mural]

it's honestly like

shonen manga/anime has a problem with escalation cause if you give someone ultimate power you can't just step down from that

you need to go higher

and at a certain point that gets stupid

this is the problem wow's been facing for some years now

[tropic trail]

what do we have left? shadowlands, facing the light, void lords

they need to finish these things then introduce completly new foes, locations

[sullen dawn]

no one said bandits

it would an exanpsion focused solely on building new narrative threads

light VS void is years away, and imo is gonna be a 6 forces battle

[vernal juniper]

they can create hatever they want

they can create 40 more expantions with titans if they want

[sullen dawn]

exactly

[tropic trail]

no?

[sullen dawn]

i bet we get an etheral/ka'resh expansion, a world remake, and some sort of titan themed expansion before cosmic war

at least

cosmic war is end game

[vernal juniper]

"A titan farted" 3 parallel Azeroth are now here,

here you go 10 more expantions

[sullen dawn]

time-travel expansion back to azsharas reign expansion

time-travel to black empire expansion

[tropic trail]

and we need 20 spergs in a raid to move those planets out of here

[sullen dawn]

re-origination

[tropic trail]

[sullen dawn]

underground expansion

they have many many options before we get to the big universe spanning war

[vernal juniper]

the sad thing to me is that they are reusing always the old npcs

on shadowlands we will have fallen npcs back

[sullen dawn]

i for one am happy to see Uther

[vernal juniper]

and when will escape from shadowlands I'm already predict some of old dead will come back too

[sullen dawn]

and maybe Uncle Tony? 😮

nah they wont

maybe Arthas is hes sneaky, but i think most will be 'one expansion guests'

[vernal juniper]

"break the cycle" same things over and over

even this exp is same thing, nothing new

[tropic trail]

cant wait to see arthas being chased by all the people he killed in scooby doo style in the Maw

[sullen dawn]

lore wise?

its all brand new

[vernal juniper]

gameplay

[sullen dawn]

yeh arthas is not having a good time in the maw i guess haha

prolly watching jaina and uther leave him on repeat

[vernal juniper]

Arthas can come back now

[tropic trail]

or we just hear arthas yelling

IM COOOOMIN

[vernal juniper]

expecially with the "dk helm" broken

[sullen dawn]

my guess is Arthas is 9.3 material

agreed Slock, he'd be 'Arthas' not 'the lich king'

still a dick tho

[tropic trail]

we need a new helmet tho

to control scourge

and the forge we gonna use to craft legendaries was used to craft frostmourne and the helm

[vernal juniper]

only if titanforged

I mean not ilvl titanforged

but something related/forged by titans

[tropic trail]

it was crafted by dreadlords if im correct.

just let goblins, gnomes work together on a new helm so Bolvar can burn most of them if they f up

[cyan prairie]

i wonder if we're going to "fix" the Helm of Domination in next expansion

going back to BfA hubs - i never understood how people could like boralus

looks like trash and is annoyingly claustrophobic

[dull flame]

everything is within 20sec flight

i dont have to fly from hub to harbor

its all in 1 place

boralus best city hub in bfa

[stable ibex]

Yeah. Zandalar is too big, lmao. I don't wanna have to spend 5 minutes just to go from portal area to the docks for all of the really important stuff.

[pulsar iris]

i believe the helm and frostmourne were not crafted by the same entity

[tropic trail]

is shadowlands bound to azeroth or the whole universe? is emerald dream azeroths thing only?
cosmology map says "reality", not "azeroth" btw so im confused
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/f/fd/TheCosmicForces-WoWChronicleSample.png/revision/latest?cb=20160313175241

[cyan prairie]

Wasn't Emerald Dream a "clear" version of Azeroth?

of how it originally looked like?

[sullen dawn]

so big class changes today eh?

towilee said its gonna be nuts, we'll never look at priest the same away again

[limber mural]

I mean Towelliee has played with the Kyrian class ability

[storm marsh]

well the kyrian was the only available at demo

[limber mural]

which makes you dummy quick for some time and then half regular channeling speed for a while

I welcome that tho

I hate priest

if it gets massive revamp I might like it more

[storm marsh]

for the void

[sullen dawn]

he was talking about class redesigns

not the demo stuff (class redesigns arent in blizzcon demo)

[storm marsh]

looking forward to

[tropic trail]

i was so hyped for necromancer class, like they said back in legion that it was perfect time to introduce demon hunters and now with all this death stuff it would be perfect for necro.

imagine this in wow
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/4d/81/494d817dd4c047a73eedfa4008c37500.jpg

[languid yoke]

play UH DK

[tropic trail]

its not necromancer

WoW is too kid friendly for that kinda blood effects

[languid yoke]

it's pretty close

[tranquil steeple]

like argued last time, UH DK is the closest we have to Necromancers

[tropic trail]

or give necro class skin to demo lock

[tranquil steeple]

without ripping abilities from the class

[tropic trail]

Just pick Shadowstrike as UH DK

And you got yourself a necro

Ranged DK

[tranquil steeple]

can also consider it a direct combat adapted necromancer

I guess

[tropic trail]

Meleemancer

[zealous basalt]

Noobmancer

Isn't my monk friend Lyo Chan

[patent oriole]

DK are more like meele bruisers/tanks with weapons rather than necromancers that use ranged attacks

[strange falcon]

@tropic trail good life advice,dont hype yourself for something based on your own biased assumptions and 0 evidence

👆

@patent oriole necromancers are what priests are to paladins

And Death knight

[patent oriole]

yeah

[limber mural]

oh dear did someone say necromancer

do i gotta repeat myself

[tropic trail]

i think so

[strange falcon]

I have repeated stuff like 10 times +

Since bcon announcement

[tropic trail]

wHaT aBoUt DaRk RaNgEr

[normal mango]

Maybe they class reworks will give us these subspecs people crave (marks dark ranger, uh dk necromancer, etc)

[tropic trail]

more glyphs, skins for classes, specs

like they did with green fire for locks for example

red eyes for dks pls

[normal mango]

dragonsworn druids

dragon form for tanking...not that it'll happen but 😄

[zealous basalt]

Now I feel bad for BfA

Because I want to skip directly

[tropic trail]

i need necromancer

in my life

[patent oriole]

but does necromancer need you in his life

[inner copper]

What does the ensorcelled everwyrm mount look like?

[tropic trail]

@inner copper
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/images/skins/ridinghorseskinpinto-img2.jpg

[tranquil steeple]

@inner copper

[inner copper]

I thought it would be a cool dragon

T^T

[strange falcon]

It wyrm made of peoples lifeforce

[zealous basalt]

Eww

[tropic trail]

hey that sounds like a perfect mount for... a necromancer

[hollow sparrow]

how i get the new transmog? where get the souls?

[tropic trail]

we might get a necro class in a patch, who knows what can happen

[steel venture]

So, any confirmation if the allied DKs will be considered 4th gen?

They would've been all people who fell during the Fourth War, so.

[strange falcon]

They have done races in a patch

But classes in a patch? Oh boi

That would be a bold move

@tropic trail isnt slaneesh female?

[vivid harness]

wow ok

[strange falcon]

@steel venture ion confirmed they are raised before sylvanas comes for him

[tropic trail]

allied classes

don't @ me

[strange falcon]

@tropic trail i just did and i will do it again!

[vivid harness]

D:

[steel venture]

We'll see their new starting zone but

It just makes sense for them to be considered fourth gen

They're Bolvar's newest DKs, and he hadn't actually made any before

[tropic trail]

all that new customization tho

[steel venture]

(The deathlord made the horsemen, they dont count)

[vivid harness]

true

[zealous basalt]

@strange falcon

Slaanesh is no gender but anything you desire

[steel venture]

And Allied races are the exclusive heros of the Fourth War soooo.

Fourth gen. 👏

[zealous basalt]

4th gen dks

Wonder what will be the difference with Third

i mean third gen are op than second if second doesnt have their runeblade

[steel venture]

Likely nigh-alive.

[zealous basalt]

I was going to say that they might be a little weaker because of what happened

[steel venture]

Because it doesn't seem like allied races will get "dead" skins.

[zealous basalt]

but then I remember

[vivid harness]

instead of 3rd war racial it should be 4th war

ez money

[zealous basalt]

That dk creations happen just when Sylv is going to attack

So i expect that cinematic lore to be expanded on it

[tropic trail]

the new dk starting zone is sylv attacking

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[tropic trail]

you get raised and kashoom

[zealous basalt]

Im quite sad we can't have older races to be 4th gen

[vivid harness]

I assume we're getting some lore for it like the lordaeron cinematic

i hope

[zealous basalt]

It comes to question now though

[tropic trail]

do the new human phenotypes count as a new race

[zealous basalt]

How did story goes

go*

[strange falcon]

I dont think deleting perfectly good starter zones would be a good idea

The dk original zone didnt age bad either

[zealous basalt]

Yeah but

BUT

i want to be a 4th gen dk as hummie

oh well

i have

[steel venture]

Rp it

[zealous basalt]

the kul tirans

[tropic trail]

i mean technically they added more human races

ala asians

only panda and allied races will have "new starting zone" described as a short quest line similar to unlocking allied races. old dk races will still have arthas starting zone.

[zealous basalt]

So anything today?

More info about stuff todai?

[strange falcon]

@zealous basalt deepdive

[tropic trail]

i do wonder how we got asians and african looking humans lorewise

[steel venture]

They always existed.

[strange falcon]

At same time as opening ceremony yesterday

[zealous basalt]

okies

danke

[steel venture]

It doesn't need a big lore explanation. They're a thing. Done and done.

[tropic trail]

anduin is suddenly asian, and we never noticed

[zealous basalt]

Azeroth is bigger in lore

So just like ourselves

"Different environment raise"

[strange falcon]

Everyone collectively put on stronger glasses

[dense plover]

Slaanesh they’ve gone into this. They’ve always been there, and it literally doesn’t need a lore reason

[zealous basalt]

Shivers

[dense plover]

People want to feel that their character represents them

[strange falcon]

Like how female tauren werent hideous suddenly in wod

[zealous basalt]

someonecalltheultramarines

[dense plover]

That reason is more than enough

[tropic trail]

we're getting new hairstyles tho

woho

[dense plover]

Those are great too

And they are separating eye color from face

[tropic trail]

woho

are we getting more facial hair too

[dense plover]

I’m hoping they separate face and skin color too. Some faces require certain skin colors

[tranquil steeple]

unknown so far, I think

[dense plover]

Probably more facial hair options, yes

[tranquil steeple]

but it doesn't seem unlikely

[dense plover]

It’s very likely considering they are adding draenei tail options and jewelry

[tranquil steeple]

^

[tropic trail]

and wildhammer dwarves

[steel venture]

Wtb asian nelf faces through

[dense plover]

In general they seem to be expanding multiple options per race. I’m hoping this helps make NPCs more varied too

[steel venture]

Don't @ me they're literally part korean

[dense plover]

Inspired by does not mean they are

[steel venture]

w/ their culture

[tropic trail]

i've asked for years for more character creation options

[dense plover]

Night elves have night elf faces

[tranquil steeple]

nile

[tropic trail]

just waiting for a titty slider next

[dense plover]

They’re racially distinct to night elves

[tranquil steeple]

[tropic trail]

they come from africa nad china

china is a continent now 😖

[dense plover]

I mean, you can say two related things in tangent without implying one is a continent

But yes, China is not all of Asia

[tropic trail]

west from kalimdor

[zealous basalt]

west from

burning tree

[tropic trail]

the other side of azeroth is just earth

[zealous basalt]

Kalimdor?

Ye

[dense plover]

But it is more likely, that night elves will get tattoos, hair, probably jewelry, and maybe nature stuff like flowers or twigs in hair

[zealous basalt]

its just dirt

[tropic trail]

no its water

[zealous basalt]

And just a few areas with green

[dense plover]

And ofc new skin colors

Everybody gets more skin colors

[zealous basalt]

Das why Horde wanted to invade Eastern kingdoms

because we are green

[tropic trail]

nelf gets antlers finally

[storm marsh]

I wanna know if tyrande is anyhow related to or will be in shadowlands

[tropic trail]

i hope

[zealous basalt]

You can have antlers

[tropic trail]

fuck yes

[dense plover]

Well, deep dive is in 2 hours

Makore don’t spread rumors

We don’t know, do we?

[zealous basalt]

We can

[tropic trail]

well it's likely

[zealous basalt]

have antlers

bonks

[tropic trail]

the new zone is nature themed

[zealous basalt]

if you are a druid only

It's called

T2 druid helm

that drops from Molten Core

@dense plover

[calm plank]

I feel like a lot of night elves would want to check out the maw

Since that's where all the people who died at teldrassil are

[viscid crescent]

did they mention pvp vendors?

[tropic trail]

they killed off saurfang just for him to come in shadowlands

[steel venture]

Probably not.

[tropic trail]

do orcs go to warcraft heaven question mark

[zealous basalt]

Did someone freaking asked

[steel venture]

If you're in the Maw you're pretty done, son.

[zealous basalt]

Ye

no one can escape

Or has

I suppose Maw is where all souls that were bad go

[tropic trail]

if u die in the maw do u go into maw again?

[steel venture]

Likely souls eventually get consumed by the Jailer.

[zealous basalt]

While the other souls go whenever they wanted

[tropic trail]

if you die in the shadowlands, do you go to the

shadowshadowlands

[steel venture]

Nope.

[zealous basalt]

Honestly I didn't expect Shadowlands to have pretty environments

[tropic trail]

sounds darkerer

[zealous basalt]

Also

Aren't we in Shadowlands alive

If we die in shadowlands we just

get out of our body

[steel venture]

You break apart into Anima and HAVE to find your body before the denizens want to gobble up thst magic

It's a new anim.

[lime venture]

How much time left to next Wow Panel?

[zealous basalt]

das what i thought

But ye

Shadowlands have pretty areas

I mean, I thought it was an eternity of torment

But

feels like a restful place

[strange falcon]

isnt deep dive at same time as opening ceremony,aka in 3 hrs?

[steel venture]

I love the Ardenweald.

[zealous basalt]

I suppose it depends on what you were in live

[calm plank]

they said that normally the maw is only for really bad people

but recently every new soul has been going to the maw

[tropic trail]

like jim

[steel venture]

Idc if it's a retcon it's a good retcon. Unseelie fae lets GOOOO

[calm plank]

so hopefully that means we won't be seeing too many recently dead people

[zealous basalt]

Uther

Like

focking uther

Kael thas

[steel venture]

He's in Bastion

[zealous basalt]

I swear

if he goes with aother setback joke

I personally will send him to the maw

[steel venture]

Kaels in the vamp place

[strange falcon]

@steel venture saying for the 5th time,my tinfoil hat theory is that each covenant will eventually give a playable race

and if i'm right in a year or two

it will be a taliesin moment

[steel venture]

Probably.

Lemme play as those Fauns

[zinc sandal]

Yes please

Lemme be a vampire

[zealous basalt]

Though

I wonder how the parity is going to be handled

[steel venture]

i find it fun that the faun guys use femdrae anims

[zealous basalt]

...

wait what

Hold on a second

Just a minute

[steel venture]

...lol you didn't notice?

They do.

[zealous basalt]

Is this some fucking

Slaaneshi thing

[steel venture]

No.

[zealous basalt]

...

changes to Bastion covenant

nope

[steel venture]

Fauns are lithe, and always have been in every mythosm

[zealous basalt]

I have been in the chaos for too long

[tropic trail]

so Kyrians are just a 🅱 lank slate for val'kyr and spirit healers

[zinc sandal]

Pfft

[steel venture]

So, they're not gonna use satyr anims dude

[zealous basalt]

I STILL

[strange falcon]

i think BLUMANS are too unimaginative to be wasted on a race spot,even worse than LF draenei

and very conveniently owl people are on the same zone

as the blumans

so they would make a much more imaginative race than "humans,but blue from the ded lands"

[zealous basalt]

Is he trying to say something

reads book

[zinc sandal]

Blue with wings

[calm plank]

Gimme owl people

[strange falcon]

the ones people are talking about as a playable race are specifically the ones without wings @zinc sandal then idk if having wings would push them far enough up

[zinc sandal]

I think they look different enough

But wings would be a nice plus

[strange falcon]

if you want a race on the level of Lightforged draenei

i have no argument for you

[calm plank]

so that's how they explain it

[zinc sandal]

@strange falcon More like Nightborne.

LFD look exactly the same

[strange falcon]

nightborne are way different

than nelf

[zinc sandal]

Nightborne are slightly different

[strange falcon]

you can visibly tell

[zinc sandal]

So are Kyrian

[strange falcon]

the difference

if you recolored them to skin color

[tropic trail]

i was hesistant to return in 🅱 FA, Shadowlands looks great though

take my money

[zinc sandal]

I got the Epic Edition

[tropic trail]

i'm glad i didn't play 8.0 tho, cause i would've urned out when shadowlands releases

[strange falcon]

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/november/thumb/covenant01.jpg they are not nightborne level

take human without beard

and put it next to them

[tropic trail]

and frankly it looks litter then WOTLK

[strange falcon]

its LF level

with a color swap

[zealous basalt]

So im watching the cinematic again

And I am noticing many things that

do actually make sense

[zinc sandal]

Nah

They look less ape-like