trademarks are public knowledge, that's the whole reason they exist haha
#beta-ptr-spoilers
deep pawn
To protect your intellectual property, they get filed in some other nation to make a claim easier when they file in the USA, but that's it
dense plover
Sorry, they register in another country in private then through 8nternational law, can register in the US after it’s announced
But still, that doesn’t change that we do not know the name
deep pawn
Okay, nothing stops them from changing their mind on the name later on, since it's only the major nation's trademarking that matter.
dense plover
Just like people were throwing around south seas. Now they are throwing around shadowlands
deep pawn
Like are you against the idea of it being Shadowlands?
deep pawn
Was it a south seas expansion, no
dense plover
Yes it was
deep pawn
Zandalar MAYBE, but Kul Tiras definitely not
dense plover
Zandalar, nazjatar, kul tirans, the island expeditions, motherlode
deep pawn
Given that Kul Tiras is off the shore of Gilneas
deep pawn
it is, it was in the bay south of Gilneas until the Cataclysm, them it moved west a bit
dense plover
I mean, it’s not south seas, yes
But that was the name people were using
Bolvar isn’t shadowlands either
deep pawn
But regarding that, we also didn't have MULTIPLE sources using Shadowlands in different ways.
Between the merchandise and the leaked logo...
dense plover
Yes we did. We had like 40 south seas leaks
And logos
This happens every leak season
And we don’t have any merchandise labeled shadowlands
deep pawn
Maybe I'm misremembering, but there was nothing and I mean NOTHING as clean as the Shadowlands logo we got.
dense plover
The bolvar image is labeled as bolvar mystery print
It might be a recolored legion logo
It’s hard to tell
deep pawn
yeah, no
dense plover
It’s still up for debate among the people who do the data mining
deep pawn
But whatever, I don't have time for someone being obtuse on purpose. Good luck, if the devs are wearing white and gold shirts I hope you shut up
night night
dense plover
If that logo and art image is legit, cool, because it looked interesting
But I don’t give credit to anything until it happens, like the bolvar image was eventually proved to be real
Also no need to be a jerk
long blade
why cant you just agree to quit arguing lmao
calm plank
bruh we'll see who's right in a couple of days
long blade
yup tomorrow. Quit acting like little kids
calm plank
that soon
calm plank
damn I didn't realize it was that soon
long blade
like you got nothing else to do but keep arguing
dense plover
And?
That’s not acting like a kid
“Oh no, he didn’t roll over and agree with the other guy, he’s being childish”
That’s not being childish
That’s discussion and opinions
deep pawn
Argument is over, i blocked him. Don't care anymore, sorry for the spam
long blade
Im talking about both of you lol, not blaming only one or the other. Just agree to disagree and wait 24 hours
heck even less than 24
dense plover
Depends on when the cgi trailer drops
tranquil steeple
I wish I was paid to keep track of the time
dense plover
No, I’m paying to watch and can do basic math
And have a clock right on my screen
Because technology
long blade
you must be fun at parties
dense plover
Says the guy snarking on everything I type
dense plover
Guy, as in generic person
As in dude
Or guy
It’s not gender specific
You guys is gender neutral
That guy is gender neutral
long blade
im just messing with you
dense plover
🙄
It’s not very funny
Especially because there are people who do that seriously sometimes
Some people can be fuckwits
We had a guy the other day arguing that what someone said about the lore was wrong when they were wrong because they didn’t know the lore in the first place, and then they got angry when people tried to correct the, and blamed the person talking about the lore for not correcting them on their correction
long blade
Some people dont like to be wrong
dense plover
I’m ok being wrong
Once it’s probable factually
I conceded on the bolvar image once we had a provable source
Same will happen with shadowlands if that’s the name
I have no problems with it if it is, but we don’t know for sure yet
calm plank
I'll agree that I don't find shadowlands to be a really nice name
maybe it can be "[something] of the shadowlands"
or something like that
haughty houndBOT
dense plover
XD
calm plank
you tried
dense plover
Good bot
calm plank
proud of you bot
thick saddle
[Shadowlands]
dense plover
pets bot_
haughty houndBOT
dense plover
Good boy, now go to sleep
calm plank
but yeah just "shadowlands" would be a pretty boring name
dense plover
Could be something out of left field like BfA
thick saddle
No less boring than... World of Warcraft... CATACLYSM!!! (Chris Metzen style)
calm plank
or they could do the mop/wod way
dense plover
They do one word names when it’s a big thing
calm plank
I like cataclysm
dense plover
Cataclysm, legion
novel zodiac
Wratch of the lich king electric boogaloo 2
calm plank
only good expac name ^
hollow dune
I think shadowlands is a nice clean name
dense plover
Lich
calm plank
I like that one
novel zodiac
World of Warcraft: BfA Was mistake
calm plank
it's a bit weird
thick saddle
Honestly, I'd be happy with a "Return to Northrend" type expansion... Make the entire continent phased for 120+ players (or whatever level cap is after the squish)
calm plank
I wouldn't tbh
hollow dune
Better than battle for azeroth 
dense plover
BfA wasn’t awful
hollow dune
Which is a meh title imo
calm plank
I wanna see new places
dense plover
TBC is worse
calm plank
yeah tbc is my least favorite
thick saddle
@dense plover Well, they would still use the default Northrend as a "base" for the remade "Return" version... if they did at all I mean 😛
dense plover
You don’t even know what crusade it’s about
No, they probably wouldn’t
Here’s one from a “leak”
thick saddle
The expansion I'd like to see remade (and never will happen), is Outland... Use the nicer artwork of Draenor, but on a "broken" planet
calm plank
yeah that'd be nice
dense plover
thick saddle
WoD is largely considered "bad" by most players... I personally didn't mind it so much, but it had a lot of missed opportunity and potential.
calm plank
I'm pretty sure wintergrasp isn't entirely made of ice?
dense plover
Don’t know if it’s legit or not, but that’s how it would start, and the zones the,selves would 100% be handcrafted from the ground up
hollow dune
That's water
dense plover
It is
calm plank
yup
dense plover
It’s a frozen lake
dense plover
Yeah, this “leak” implies northrend got warmer
hollow dune
Even if it wasnt, its lower than ice crown, which is largely ice, and would flood it
calm plank
I like that idea tbh
dense plover
What with ice crown melting the last few times we’ve been there
calm plank
gundrak got melted too
dense plover
Scholazar and General
Gundrake
Both are mostly below sea level
Or are basins surrounded by mountains
dense plover
And would fill in if the ice there melted
calm plank
that's quite a lot of water
thick saddle
Why the name change to Sholozar?
calm plank
seeing a new northrend would be cool but it would feel less new I think
one thing I loved about bfa was how cool the new zones looked
dense plover
Oh I think so too
calm plank
and if we do return to northrend there probably won't be much new
except maybe azjol nerub?
dense plover
It’s why I don’t actually expect much outside of redone ice crown
calm plank
same
dense plover
Which is why that’s probably not where the expac is
I was just giving a leak map example
calm plank
ye ye
dense plover
I g2g to sleep
dense plover
Tty tomorrow when blizzcon is going on
calm plank
is there any way to know what happens there without buying a ticket
thick saddle
If there's anything new related to Northrend, I expect a new DK Starter Experience, for the supposed DK Allied Races. Maybe Allied Races start with Bolvar as Lich King, and the normal races start with Arthas (as it is today)
calm plank
I know they'll release the cinematic and stuff on ytb at some point but will it be at the same time as the announcement?
I think it would be better if all dks get the new area
thick saddle
@calm plank Opening Ceremony and most panels are free to watch for everyone. It's the competitions and tournaments, as well as ending ceremony that is paid.
calm plank
really?
dense plover
👋
calm plank
see ya!
thick saddle
I agree, all DK's should have the same starting experience. But if they are adding Allied Races as DKs, a new starter experience is likely.
calm plank
yeah I wan that too
it wouldn't make any sense to have say,
a lightforged dk
in the old zone
thick saddle
At the same time, kinda sad to abandon the old starter considering that area is pretty much useless once you leave for Orgrimmar/Stormwind
thick saddle
Acherus is, I meant the eastern most area of the Plaguelands 😛
calm plank
oh fair
thick saddle
That area is de-populated after you break free from The Lich King, and join the Alliance/Horde.
calm plank
I don't like the dk starting quests because of that god damn torture quest
thick saddle
Meh, I don't mind it too much... Considering we are "Death" Knights after all.
calm plank
oh I don't mind it lore wise
thick saddle
I have more objection to the repeating "pick up poo" quests in various expansions 😛
thick saddle
Honestly don't recall
calm plank
me neither
I remember the blizzcon where they announced bfa
that was nice
seeing the cinematic for the first time and stuff
thick saddle
Really don't know what to expect for next expansion tbh...
Bits and pieces suggest what might be coming, but nothing confirmed enough to be definitive.
calm plank
do you mean 10.0?
thick saddle
No, next one... 9.0
calm plank
okay
thick saddle
"Shadowlands" or whatever 😛
novel zodiac
After BfA my expentations are so damn low
novel zodiac
i hated the lore
thick saddle
In previous years, someone has almost always been able to find out a new trademark by Blizzard, which gives away the expansion name... This year, not seen any such "leak"
novel zodiac
the leveling, the wq, battlefrotns
they all suck
the only thing that are ok are the raids
thick saddle
Battlefronts, like "Vehicular Combat" in WotLK... was a nice idea, poorly executed.
calm plank
heroic warfronts are a lot more enjoyable tbh
calm plank
guess I didn't actually have fun playing them 😔
thick saddle
Agree to Disagree on the raids...
Uldir: Good raid
Dazar'alor: Not as good
Crucible: 2-boss mini-raid
Palace: Good raid
Nyalotha: Not played yet, but looks good
novel zodiac
2 goods 1 bad
thick saddle
After almost 15 years, I still say one of my favorite raids in terms of epicness, lore and overall feel... Ulduar
Icecrown wasn't bad either, but after almost 12 months of raiding Icecrown (last raid patch before Cataclysm launch), became quite repetitive 😛
I tend to disregard Trial of the Crusader, since it was basically just re-using the dungeon... with a basement area.
deep pawn
I haven't raided this expansion
can't fit it into my schedule with a random work schedule so no guild for that, pugging sucks, and LFR has no rewards
thick saddle
LFR has same rewards as Normal/Heroic/Mythic, just recolored and lower stats.
All done through Personal Loot... you either win, or you don't, and if you don't you can use a Bonus Roll.
calm plank
god I just remembered
how awful it was to play shrine of storms early during bfa
everyone went in thinking that it's just a normal dungeon so no need to really pay attention to anything
and so every group I was in kept wiping at the 3rd boss
I hope that won't happen next expac
deep pawn
it has transmog rewards, not ilvl upgrades
deep pawn
and if I'm running something for transmog, it'll be 2 expansions past when I can solo it
zealous basalt
I remember my ever first shrine run
That's where I learned WoW needs a fucking tutorial for interrupts
deep pawn
my biggest wish is removing the need for constantly CC'd trash
screw the MDI being "interesting"
trash being a slog will never be fun
Bosses should never be the moment you go, "okay, I can relax now"
thick saddle
I have 1 wish for next expansion...
Make Epic gear, Epic again!
Remove Titanforging/Warforging, Epic loot only from Raids or Mythic+. Not even Mythic Dungeons should have Epic.
(not gonna happen, but I can wish) 😛
thick saddle
It used to
zealous basalt
Leave dungeons to rare gear only and make raids great again
deep pawn
sure, a decade ago
thick saddle
Still hope for the complete removal of Warforged/Titanforged, since all it really does is bump the ilvl through the roof, way too fast
deep pawn
it's probably gone, but they'll never remove rng from loot
calm plank
I'm fine with some rng
deep pawn
they don't care if the gearing system is fun, they just want you raiding 52 weeks a year
calm plank
but having rng on top of already existing rng is a bit anoying
deep pawn
I mean they doubled down on the rng for corruption
cyan prairie
What? You guys don't raid 8 days a week like i do?
deep pawn
Instead of "did the ilvl increase, yay," it's, "did it roll the right one of 6 different affixes and at the right tier that I can equip it."
cyan prairie
I hope for some mix between classes we had through few expansions
deep pawn
It's so bad that I almost swear it's designed to make people ASK for titanforging back
cyan prairie
Or an entire class revamp
I miss prot warrior from Legion, but i like Arms from BfA more etc.
tranquil steeple
I mean
cyan prairie
Also i want more specs to be useful again
cyan prairie
Let's hope
deep pawn
yes, but if you assume they'll remove rng for loot that's naive
calm plank
bruh no one said that
deep pawn
it's what everyone keeps wanting
unborn glacier
Well, yes. People want it that way because it's more fun.
white quartz
I can see them giving us guaranteed drops/rewards next expac for killing a dungeon/raid boss for some items. However I doubt RNG is leaving anytime soon
calm plank
I'm fine with rng if there's some bad luck protection mechanics
white quartz
Same. It’s be nice to know that after like 10 tries I had a guarantee to at least get something
unborn glacier
I'd rather go back to a time of BiS lists, with awesome gear that once got, was your best for that entire tier
zealous basalt
Make bis great again
deep pawn
yeah, that won't happen, cause people won't play the entire tier
zealous basalt
I preferred when you could update them with valor points
white quartz
I’d be ok with that as well but tbh I doubt that’s happening by next expac unfortunately. However if the gear is well done and the gameplay is changed for the better next expac I think people will be far more happier
unborn glacier
Kyle, please dude. Stop being a dick.
"I would like to see thing get better"
"HuRr DUrr, NeVeR gOnNa HapPeN!"
deep pawn
I'm not, it's just honest. Blizzard has one goal, to keep people raiding every week of the entire year
that's how they measure player activity
zealous basalt
Old raids want to have a word with you
Don't think that having all Bis means that it will get bored
unborn glacier
^
zealous basalt
If we take that
Some people like me
Like when the difference is noticeable
From a non bis raid group
deep pawn
Blizzard is scared that people will unsub until the next tier
zealous basalt
To a full bis raid group
People have
Never unsub until next tier
Because guess what
Having a chance for a gear is 2 in a million
It has been like that always
Unless you have some goddamn luck that you get bis in your first run
unborn glacier
Blizz needs to stop being afraid of that shit and start making the game fun. Having gear that is just the objectively best is slot for your spec is just a superior gearing mechanic
zealous basalt
But even that is kinda impossible
deep pawn
FinalBossTV says that if you want RNG, you need to shower us with more loot, and that's likely what we'll see before they take away rng
unborn glacier
It is so much more exciting for me to see that piece of BiS gear drop, then having to sim every piece of gear I get to see if its an upgrade
deep pawn
I mean rng on each piece of loot
if you remove any type of loot RNG, you'll see 1 piece of loot drop per boss for a 20 man raid, cause that's how blizzard wants gearing to work
zealous basalt
Seems that you work in Blizzard to dare to make it a fact
R u wizard
Yet agaib
You don't know what the heck wynter is trying to say
deep pawn
I'm just taking the last 6-7 years of evidence of what Blizzard wants
deep pawn
not sure what you mean by boab.
zealous basalt
Boah*
deep pawn
🙄
zealous basalt
But I agree wynter
Having to sim every new piefe that is a warforge or Titan sucks
Mostly when it says that your current lower level is better by x or y stat
deep pawn
Would the game be more fun with simpler loot, probably, but it's hoping that a rock will start rolling uphill on its own.
deep pawn
WoD had the same RNG
zealous basalt
No one complained about fixed loot and gems
MoP and WoD had
Very simple - -
Okay kyle
Just for you to get on a correct term
deep pawn
no one complained, but it isn't the corporate goal
zealous basalt
Say "Forge system"
Instead of RNG
Because with RNG it feels that you are talking about on how the gear is distributed
The forge before was really simple and even with it the gems were good
deep pawn
Everywhere else that I've seen discuss this calls it rng loot, because drop rates are a totally different thing to most people
zealous basalt
And people still played the raids
If they un subbed in WoD it was because fuck having to do one raid for six months
deep pawn
Yes, I agree people played the raids, but it is antithetical to Blizzard for there to EVER be an end point in gearing.
zealous basalt
I still have to see what backups your so called facts
You are talking as if you were some employer
Employee
deep pawn
I'm not saying your viewpoint is wrong, or that the game wouldn't be more fun if we didn't have to math everything out.
It's called making inferences based on what ActiBlizz puts out in there quarterly reports where they talk about monthly active users.
A tier lasts 6 months
they want you raiding every week for those 6 months
cause that makes them look better to stockholders
zealous basalt
I still have to see what backups that
unborn glacier
Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata <--- All had a end goal to gearing
zealous basalt
MoP until Throne of thunder
deep pawn
it's called loot getting more "random when it drops" the last 7 years
unborn glacier
Having an end goal is fun
deep pawn
it can be
unborn glacier
Having to Raid grind is not
deep pawn
but that's not what drives stock value
deep pawn
I agree
zealous basalt
Again talking like a corporate
deep pawn
but we don't own the company
unborn glacier
Stop sucking that sweet corporate dick.
zealous basalt
But you are talking like you do know
deep pawn
I'M NOT
unborn glacier
You are
zealous basalt
Ditto
unborn glacier
"KyleEverettToday at 12:56 AM
but that's not what drives stock value"
"Fun doesnt give us even more millions"
deep pawn
There's a reason I unsubbed and played ff14 for months, there's a reason I'm taking a break after Blizzcon until 8.3, there's a reason I don't raid, cause systems are not as fun to me anymore
zealous basalt
Feels weird to agree with Wynter
deep pawn
Doesn't change the fact the sky is blue, and blizzard corporate only cares about making the game a grind.
zealous basalt
Didnt you say that you never raid and just did m+
unborn glacier
And we have every right to fight against that. That is, how we got Classic.
zealous basalt
And was that far to say that M+ should have equal gear than Mythic
tranquil steeple
the thing blizz said "you think you do, but you don't"
unborn glacier
And then they regretted that
zealous basalt
I mean technically it works for two ways
tranquil steeple
of course though, that CAN change... players might not want to play Classic forever
zealous basalt
It works for them and it works for those people that left classic so early
deep pawn
we can fight it, but I'd rather just move on.
tranquil steeple
but the same goes for retail/live
unborn glacier
Classics launch and continued popularity has been a massive slap in the face to that notion of "You think you do but you don;t"
deep pawn
Are you sure classic is still super popular? I mean I got to 60 and got super bored and stopped playing it
unborn glacier
KyleEverettToday at 1:00 AM
we can fight it, but I'd rather just move on.
"I don't like it, but I'mma cuck to it and take it like a good corporate slave"
zealous basalt
It brought people back, even if it's not as popular as live
And I mean
It should never be as popular or more than live
tranquil steeple
point is that
deep pawn
Don't put words into my mouth
zealous basalt
You are behaving like that bruh
tranquil steeple
Classic is something the PLAYERS wanted, and fought for
so Blizzard said "alright, let's... just do it", and boom we got Classic
deep pawn
I don't support many things Blizzard does, I'm just saying you're asking for things they will be LOATHE to even consider
zealous basalt
We are forgetting that in Blizzard Entertainment is
unborn glacier
You know whats funny" I went into classic not sure Id like it. But now, every day that isn't Mythic raid night, Im not on Live, im in classic
zealous basalt
A team of people
That went against them and made classic
There isn't much the wow team can't do but
deep pawn
that answer to stockholders and a board of directors that only care about numbers, not fun.
zealous basalt
They sure learn from mistakes
tranquil steeple
I'm not surprised if the only reason we actually got Classic
zealous basalt
Yeah we all know you like to play corporate
unborn glacier
Its time to make them stop loathing such mechanics and start making them realize it was those systems and mechanics that made the game so much fun
zealous basalt
If you are done you can wipe your mouth
tranquil steeple
is Blizz going "well it's still sub money", and it not actually taking that much to set up again, beyond digging up code and cleaning it up
deep pawn
^
zealous basalt
You didn't get it
tranquil steeple
which, eitherway, GOT PLAYERS CLASSIC
THE THING THEY WANTED
THE THING THEY FOUGHT FOR
zealous basalt
What SEL meant to say is
unborn glacier
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
deep pawn
They only got it because it was profitable
tranquil steeple
so our job then
unborn glacier
Classic is PROOF that the community can fight for things to happen
tranquil steeple
is to make Blizz see that the live game being enjoyable
zealous basalt
You are talking too much about corporations
tranquil steeple
be a profitable decision
deep pawn
you'll have to prove that making loot simple brings people back rather than grind weekly for a year
zealous basalt
And you tend to forget the main thing
Like
Kyle
Don't you get it, right
Anything can be profitable enough
If made right
unborn glacier
The grind is driving people away or into Classic, my dude
deep pawn
or maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mode and have no faith in activision actually letting things change
deep pawn
Corporate wannabe would be saying I enjoy the game and would love it to stay exactly the same
zealous basalt
"Not profit"
tranquil steeple
giving up the faith that things won't or can't change dooms the possibility
unborn glacier
^
zealous basalt
"That won't be good for stock"
You even say it yourself
They just care about numbers
They don't care in how
tranquil steeple
I got my issues with the game aswell, as it is
deep pawn
I'm giving you the reasons why Blizzard wouldn't want to do the things the players want
tranquil steeple
but I'm not gonna go ahead and say "it's never going to happen"
zealous basalt
You aren't giving anything
tranquil steeple
because, back to classic, we fought for it, and we got it
zealous basalt
You are just saying the things that have happened before and is afraid to look into the future
tranquil steeple
it may be because Blizz saw it as profitable, which again, makes it OUR JOB to make them realize making the live game fun... profitable.
zealous basalt
8.2 and 8.3 is telling me that the WoW Team can make things fun and profitable
If we speak
tranquil steeple
the exact thing Blizz wants, profits. make them see the game being fun as profitable
tranquil steeple
speak up about it
zealous basalt
Do you remember 8.2?
deep pawn
Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised tomorrow and they say when loot drops it drops, but I'm never going to count on it
zealous basalt
That fiasco with the saurfang questline
deep pawn
I didn't come back until 4 weeks ago, 8.2 didn't change a single thing about how I feel about BfA
unborn glacier
^
deep pawn
I unsubbed during the ptr, that was making my voice heard
zealous basalt
I was here when such thing dropped and it is thanks to the ptr testers
That we got the Loyalist questline
And it's thanks to the voice of many players that the Night Warrior scenario changed
deep pawn
Maybe I just have too much real life stuff going on to fight that hard about a game
zealous basalt
Good
We don't really care about anyone irl issues but about Ptr is
Not for being an ass
But there is off topic for that
But don't go saying that they won't do stuff just because it's not profitable
deep pawn
if it's not fun, I'll just stop playing rather fight for changes.
unborn glacier
Gross
zealous basalt
And to think I felt like that before
deep pawn
adding a bit of extra quest dialog isn't changing core game mechanics
tranquil steeple
point. is. we. fought. for. change. and. we. got. change.
unborn glacier
Ya do know, Loyalists get their own extra cutscene?
Cause, ya know, we fought for it?
zealous basalt
Loyalist got a whole story for themselves
Also don't say that it doesn't change game play mechanics
Class buffs and nerfs happen because the community speaks
deep pawn
you got centimeters when you want miles in the end, I mean, great, yay. kudos, thank you, but that's a whole different thing then asking them to change 7 years of loot philosophy and game design meant to keep you playing daily and weekly.
tranquil steeple
centimetres of progress is still better than no progress.
zealous basalt
...
You are that
Closed on mind
That you believe Blizzard can't
Or rather
The WoW Team
Because atm Blizz is just the money
unborn glacier
I'd rather believe that w\the WoW team can change.
deep pawn
I'm just saying, ask for "no randomness when a piece of loot drops" is fine, but don't be disappointed when we don't get it.
zealous basalt
Why do you think corruption system exist
unborn glacier
With our voice guiding them
zealous basalt
WHO IS SAYING
Gods
You speak like if we are waiting for tomorrow to say
"Ei needs" "
deep pawn
In my mind, I see corruption as making people miss titanforging and asking for it to come back
zealous basalt
"Titan forge is out"
"Bis is back"
So far
I have seen no one actually expecting that
Like
As if it was a big thing like the revamp
unborn glacier
Well, I would like BiS to come back. x3
zealous basalt
You silenfe
tranquil steeple
corruption is 8.3's titanforge, it's not a complete replacement of titanforging
zealous basalt
I actually like corruption
Because it gives the chance to turn back into normal afterward
tranquil steeple
and it actually has interesting benefits, at the cost of increasingly bad downsides
depending on your own greed for power
zealous basalt
And honestly after having enough resistance
You might or not
Be able to say fuck you to the curses
unborn glacier
If they made the tiers of the corrupted gear be dependant on the difficulty of content you get it from, the system would be a lot better now that the corruption lvls will be static
tranquil steeple
and provided that y'know, you first got the item(s)
YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF WHAT YOU WANT TO USE
deep pawn
Except you'll have some people that only want one affix, and if they don't get that affix, it won't be an upgrade
tranquil steeple
also, I won't miss seeing "Item Upgraded" for measly +5 ilvl
deep pawn
It'll just be "item upgraded, receive 2% more healing."
unborn glacier
So like, tier 1 should come from Normal, Tier 2 should come from Heroic and tier 3 should come from Mythic
deep pawn
that makes you mad
tranquil steeple
2% healing is super beneficial though
tranquil steeple
it's a small number, but on something like healing
zealous basalt
Having that gear is enough win for me
deep pawn
I promise you, there'll be people that use a ring 30 ilvls lower, just cause it has the right affix
tranquil steeple
it's big
unborn glacier
You just made our point for us
tranquil steeple
oh you mean how WW monks already have it with any piece of gear with Versa
vs any piece of gear without Versa at all
zealous basalt
coughs
deep pawn
5% more crit damage is huge, it'll be so much more than 20-30 ilvls on most slots for many classes
I'd rather just have something upgrade in ilvl
deep pawn
I mean if you want simpler loot, corruption is not it
unborn glacier
Im still currently rocking a 410 ring from last season because unless I get that exact same ring again, with another socket at max ilvl, i cant replace it.
tranquil steeple
I'm not gonna say corruption is simple
tranquil steeple
but I WILL say some of the affixes on the items
zealous basalt
Aka
tranquil steeple
are BIGGER upgrades than the iLvl from titanforging
zealous basalt
The rest of gear you have to use for the rest of the expac
tranquil steeple
and will make a much more noticable difference
deep pawn
benthic is gone the moment you stop raiding EP
zealous basalt
Or you think so
deep pawn
it literally only works in EP and Nazjatar
unborn glacier
Need I remind you of the Arcano crystal from Legion?
zealous basalt
Or Fates
tranquil steeple
ah yeah the old classic 860 WB trinket
that was still worth using at the end of the expansion
zealous basalt
Ye
tranquil steeple
when you could get up to 985 ilvl trinket to replace
deep pawn
I meant the affixes on benthic stop working the moment you do anything that's not EP or Nazj, people already have separate gear for m+ in those slots
zealous basalt
Why do you think they have to restrict them to level to 110
tranquil steeple
"only" a 125 ilvl gap
tranquil steeple
some classes will actually dig for the right pieces of Benthic gear
tranquil steeple
just because it's easy to farm for manapearls for alts
zealous basalt
Classes are heavily
deep pawn
I want them to quadruple the value of primary stats, let's end the secondary stat issues
zealous basalt
Dependant on stats
tranquil steeple
and roll until you get the right one with socket, leech, avoidance or whatever
tranquil steeple
thanks to the stats being better than the iLvl of another item
deep pawn
So now a Destro lock is gonna want 5% crit damage, socket, and a tertiary
zealous basalt
that is a bis
deep pawn
and will be upset if they get haste rating
zealous basalt
THAT IS A BIS STYLE
tranquil steeple
haste is still good for destro, isn't it...? I mean....
faster soul shard generation
more Chaos Bolts
deep pawn
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WANTING A 455 SOCKETED PIECE
zealous basalt
I thought it was versa for everything
Because you know what piece to aim rather than just
Do everything and hope
deep pawn
lol, it's literally the same system except even harder to get the BiS you want unless they let people far mythic gear in m+
tranquil steeple
just saying for the third time
zealous basalt
The grounding for something new
Depending on how much we like it
And again it's time to speak up for it
deep pawn
Like I said, the pessimist in me thinks they're making corruption a worse form of RNG to make people beg for simple titanforging back
tranquil steeple
it's just testing the shark infested waters
tranquil steeple
they gotta find out what works and what doesn't
zealous basalt
Ye
deep pawn
within a certain set of parameters that they won't confirm or deny
tranquil steeple
so once 8.3 goes live, people get their hands on corrupted items and some corruption resistance
they'll see if people like the IDEA or not
deep pawn
Ion's own post says, "We expect most players to use 1 piece at first, and maybe 4 at the end of the tier."
zealous basalt
Yes
tranquil steeple
because corruption resistance
deep pawn
So they're basically telling us that at most you'll have 20-30 resistance
zealous basalt
Yes
I'd say 25
Reaching 70 is begging for death
50 you are keen to fuck yourself
20 is just a minor slow
deep pawn
so you'll have the crit depended classes wanting 5 pieces with 5% crit damage and 5 corruption
tranquil steeple
just don't forget that while you don't have the same ilvl, the affixes on the gear can very easily outweigh it
zealous basalt
Like If they keep
deep pawn
Yes, that's why I say this system is even worse for having gear be easy to understand
zealous basalt
Low levels in normal
tranquil steeple
like something I talked about with a friend about Shadow Priests, and their upcoming nerf
zealous basalt
It's not hard to understand
tranquil steeple
which can be evened out with the corrupted pieces of gear through %haste or %crit bonus
zealous basalt
Like I tested it day one
deep pawn
"Oh, I have this affix, let's sim it to see if it's even worth keeping."
tranquil steeple
letting good Spriests extend their Voidform for longer, getting more crit back after the Chorus of Insanity nerf
aswell as the ever-increasing haste while in Voidform
tranquil steeple
if they get the right ones, yeah
just like with normal items and their secondary stats when titanforged
deep pawn
I'm just saying the right ones are going to be hell to actually get
zealous basalt
We don't know
deep pawn
and thus nothing has changed
zealous basalt
Wrong
tranquil steeple
it'll still end up the same, just with bigger numbers because of %'s instead of flat numbers
deep pawn
I mean even if they make it a 60-80% chance something corrupts, you're still rolling a d6 and then a d3 afterwards.
zealous basalt
Make affixes for a certain gear
deep pawn
I'd be shocked if they did that
zealous basalt
We still don't know how do you get
tranquil steeple
should we then mention
deep pawn
They said it in the post
tranquil steeple
the chance for titanforge, and then include all the different grades of +5 extra ilvl
zealous basalt
But we don't know if there is a requerimient for it to drop
deep pawn
"Any loot that drops in season 4 has a chance to corrupt."
zealous basalt
Or in between
Here is jjst
"Oh you playing normal"
"Here that this corrupt and... It's just this affix... Das all"
So far there aren't tertiaries in the corrupted stuff
Or sockets
deep pawn
they won't remove sockets mid expansion, right now they're just testing affixes.
a reminder of what they've said
zealous basalt
Just three random stuff in those gear
tranquil steeple
by the way
tranquil steeple
Non-season 4 content will still Warforge and Titanforge up to a maximum cap of Item Level 455 but will not Corrupt.
tranquil steeple
and at the bottom of the highlights
zealous basalt
"Does it has socket"
tranquil steeple
Corruption is _NOT_ a permanent addition to WoW.
deep pawn
once again, I'll be surprised if they remove sockets and tertiaries
zealous basalt
"Does it have tertiaries"
deep pawn
in 8.3
zealous basalt
"Does it have all"
It's going to suck though
We are going to be holding gear until we are able to get that sweet resistance
deep pawn
So now we're going for, "Does it have the right affix, is it the right tier for me to use, does it have a socket, does it have a tertiary"
zealous basalt
It comes with different difficulties
deep pawn
Right now in general, the first tier with the lowest corruption is more usable than the third tier with the highest corruption
zealous basalt
If what they said about static corruption mean they sticking to difficulties
It's going to be a massive fuck you yo mythic raiders at start
deep pawn
no, static corruption means the corruption on each tier won't have a range
Currently on the ptr the third tier of corruption can range from 24-30 corruption
deep pawn
they're going to make it so 7% crit damage correlates to one corruption value
the 3 different tiers of bonus/corruption are staying though
zealous basalt
I still say
There should be some
Achievement for defeating a raid boss with 225 corruption level
tranquil steeple
if you can somehow live past the first phase
deep pawn
that goal is probably mathematically impossible
zealous basalt
Yeh
Me too
See ya all
Just for memo
How is the free schedule tomorrow?
Opening ceremony fiest
Then?
deep pawn
then then 4 coming soon panels
zealous basalt
And after those four?
deep pawn
for 9.0, d4/d2 remastered, OW2, and likely new game/IP
zealous basalt
Think the blizzcon will end before 2pm+
? *
Or at least the wow panel of coming soon?
deep pawn
first day ends around 10pm pacific
tranquil steeple
I mean based on mrpeach's last time estimate until Blizzcon ~2h ago then
deep pawn
ceremony goes from 2pm-3pm EDT
tranquil steeple
well, 12h 15 min until start, so should be done before midnight for me
deep pawn
Last coming soon panel ends at 7:15pm EDT
zealous basalt
I just hope being able to see 9.0
deep pawn
So that'll be after midnight in Europe
zealous basalt
Then I can view everything else in WoWhead
deep pawn
We don't know what order the coming soon panels will be
tranquil steeple
I'm thinking I'll
deep pawn
Wouldn't surprise me if WoW is last since it won't be a "new" game, just an expansion
tranquil steeple
watch the opening ceremony, then see if WoW is next
or if they change things up from last(?) Blizzcon where WoW was right after opening ceremony
and if it's not I'll wait until there's some recap/VoD of it
deep pawn
Like in terms of thing of hype, they'll want to promote D4, OW2, and a new game before they go to 9.0
zealous basalt
I just want to see diablo 4 or WoW
tranquil steeple
I'm not sure I'd say OW2 is 100% likely, but there's definitely going to be some big event in OW if not
deep pawn
OW2 is 100%
tranquil steeple
it's for sure a possiblity to get OW2 announced, I'm just not sure if they need to do it
deep pawn
ESPN let that cat out of the bag
thick saddle
OW2 and D4 are almost certainly gonna be officially announced, as well as the next expansion for WoW...
Possibility of a remaster of either D1 or D2.
deep pawn
d2 based on insider info
tranquil steeple
well, I'll give it 90% guarantee, atleast, just 'cause I don't pay much attention to OW stuff myself
deep pawn
The one thing I've seen content creators close to Blizzard say is "New IP or new game from existing IP"
that we haven't gotten any leaks from
thick saddle
Tbh... I'd like to see a "New MMO" from Blizzard. Probably won't happen, but there comes a point where WoW needs to... end.
deep pawn
Eh... EQ 1 is still releasing content
tranquil steeple
anyways, closing in more and more to 7am here so I'll kick it, and hopefully see you at some point NOT close to nighttime tomorrow... 'cause if I do, rip sleep schedule.
thick saddle
I didn't say "New MMO" would be released next year... might be 5-10 years from now (if ever). But something, after WoW 😛
deep pawn
the logo is pretty clear
I think the people saying OW2 becomes the paid game with PvE content, and OW1 being the f2p pvp game make the most sense
frigid crater
[Missing Friends] have returned!
haughty houndBOT
forest sphinx
How is everyone
calm plank
I can't sleep but that's just always the case for me
lethal folio
Oh no its only 8.18 am now. So long to wait
tropic trail
its 2 AM here
lethal folio
Who is here? NY?
forest sphinx
It's midnight here in California
tropic trail
maybe, maybe not who knows :p
tropic trail
damn there have been 11 Shadowlands "leaks" since July..
tropic trail
i hate this last one.. because it says another leather class lol
lethal folio
Hm i read about tinkers
tropic trail
i dont want Tinkers
Id rather not get a class than getting Tinkers enough with gnomes
lethal folio
Another leaks says dragonlord. But we will see it in few hrs
calm plank
yeah I'd much rather have dragon something than tinkers
ancient jasper
o_O
tropic trail
people on reddit say it might be because of Diablo 4
calm plank
that would make sense
lethal folio
sullen dawn
Happy tinker day everyone!
calm plank
There will be no tinker day here 😤
lethal folio
Chance is 50/50 😂
sullen dawn
ill come back to dance in 10 hours 😛
calm plank
Sure thing bud
tropic trail
im not going to check this channel until Tuesday if they announce Tinkers
which will probably not happen either way :v
tropic trail
i hope they dont
calm plank
We better a dragon class 😤
calm plank
virgin tinker class VS chad dragon class
sullen dawn
When they announce tinkers can people not get super mad here? Wanna discuss all the cool things about them
tropic trail
@sullen dawn No.
i hate gnomes so thats a chance for me to hate them even more
:)
forest sphinx
What the? Opening ceremony is only an hour??
tropic trail
lol
forest sphinx
Alright, I got a long day ahead of me tomorrow
tropic trail
same
forest sphinx
I will be back in a couple of hours guys
sullen dawn
what time is blizzcon for you americanos?
forest sphinx
Don't blow the channel up and <@&299347348847329281>'s, I'll be here if you need me
BlizzCon is at 11am PST for me
tropic trail
i want to wake up in like 9hrs
sullen dawn
ah cool
cyan prairie
19:00 for me
sullen dawn
better get some sleep so 😉
calm plank
same as maul
tropic trail
1 PM for me
calm plank
which is nice cause it's right when I eat
forest sphinx
Opening ceremony is at 11am and I have to work at 2pm
sullen dawn
6pm for me, right as i get in the door from work 😮
cyan prairie
Xeno u from?
forest sphinx
It's going to suck
tropic trail
well going back to sleep but before need to pray for no tinkers
calm plank
France
sullen dawn
prays for tinkers (but doesn't need to pray cos they're coming)
calm plank
me too eco
(including the sleeping part cause my sleep schedule is extremely fucked up)
tropic trail
lol
cyan prairie
prays for any class that will be just good, but not broken
calm plank
why would you even get tinkers in a death expac
sullen dawn
ghostbusters
sullen dawn
luigis mansion came out today
calm plank
machines aren't alive
tropic trail
©
calm plank
which means they can't die
so that would probably be pretty useful in such a situation
sullen dawn
yeh
calm plank
I still think that a dragon class would be much better
sullen dawn
plus the interdimentional tihng
tinkers could help cross the veil with flux capacitors n stuff
calm plank
we shall see soon enough
tropic trail
this isnt Luigi's mansion
sullen dawn
or isn't it? 😮
tropic trail
im pretty sure its not
calm plank
ghostbuster tinker in waycrest manor is close enough
lethal folio
Ye 7pm german time for me
vernal juniper
red raft
Looks like a new esports league/event
Maybe a more accessible to the public watered down version of OWL
cyan prairie
The more i think about next expansion, the less i believe in the class idea i actually supported xD
tropic trail
time left: 8 : hrs 15 min
austere gazelle
foggy abyss
Thanks
tropic trail
Diablo 4 confirmed cause it has blood, death and Barbarians?
strange falcon
I think diablo 4 was already confirmed
But it may be much grittier than we thought
tropic trail
What time does the BlizzCon ceremony start?
Are they gonna sacrifice a Vulpera like last year?
sullen dawn
Tinkers are r rated what??
lethal folio
storm marsh
guys, any trademarks?
dull flame
nope
storm marsh
so ceremony starts 7 pm CET right?
also i guess we need to pay more attention to mmo champion 9.0 forum. maybe there will be more clues like lordareon symbols from 2 years ago
strange falcon
In 7hrs 12 mins i think
dusky sphinx
Blizzcon starts in 6 hours, 8 minutes and 34 seconds
11 am (Los Angeles), 2 pm (New York), 6 pm (London), 7 pm (most of EU), 9 pm (Moscow), 5am (Sydney)
https://blizzcon.com/en-us/schedule
storm marsh
hype hype hype
turning off my phone at 6 pm and telling my friends to forget that i exist today
strange falcon
@storm marsh your friends dont play blizzard stuff?
storm marsh
unfortunately not
strange falcon
@tulip sun you take 6hrs to get home???
tulip sun
I have class. Errands to run. Dog has a vee t appointment. Made plans to eat out.
I thought j had until 6 on EST
sullen dawn
never been so happy for a meeting to fall through
now i can ditch the rest of work and go home early 😄
tropic trail
i got lucky that today its a holiday here if not i would have class while Blizzcon is going on lol
sudden oak
same
tropic trail
i already want to see what the trademark is lol... but probably is going to be like 30min ish before ceremony starts..
sullen dawn
yeh there's no point looking for leaks at this stage
will just ruin the surprise..i can wait a few more hrs
just gonna head home, order a pizza, and finish levelling my DK
tropic trail
i want Sylvanas to appear at frozen throne and Bolvar to literally burst out of ice to some epic ass music
and almost explode from power
signal bone
The what's next panel is today right?
amber storm
I don't see it on the schedule.
sullen dawn
Prolly a look at 8.3 and 8.3.5
amber storm
There are a few "Coming Soon!" on the schedule, though.
uncut vault
we already know whats coming in 8.3
sullen dawn
However the expansion deep dive should be one of the coming soon events which is today
uncut vault
the panel is going to be about the xpac
amber storm
I don't think I need to know more about 8.3 haha
sullen dawn
Today = opening ceremony and expansion details panel
signal bone
I can't remember if they're usually the same day
uncut vault
the expansion panel was day 2 for BfA as well
sullen dawn
Tomorrow = 8.3 + 8.3.5
tropic trail
They'll announce during the opening ceremony and then answer all the questions during the WoW specific event
signal bone
Idk why they would waste a panel on 8.3
uncut vault
they wont
signal bone
maybe 8.3.5 and prepatch
sullen dawn
It's not just 8.3
uncut vault
8.3.5 might get covered a bit, if allied races are coming
sullen dawn
It'll.mostly be 8.3.5
uncut vault
but 8.3s info is already out
sullen dawn
With a recap of 8.3 and maybe a 8.3 trailer
Prolly talk about dk races in 8.3 as well
tropic trail
Briefly 8.3, mainly 3.5 and 9
tropic trail
Let's see if they give any time frames. The time between the last patch and the new xp is really crucial
tropic trail
Not really launch dates but "summer 2020" or "fall 2020"
sullen dawn
Oh yeh