its already got lore wrong by point 3
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
Sylvanas wasnt given the valkyr, she freed them from Bolvar in exchange for their service
vernal juniper
so far the only possible to me is this one https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/chgpyh/blizz_employ_leaking_next_expansion_stuff_on_4chan/eusyb8i/
posted 3 months ago
thre rest are all garbage to me
too many detail posted 3 months ago discovered by us only in the last month
sarufang death, nzoth defeat, ny lotha raid and dk theme datamined on ptr last week
"defeat"
sullen dawn
While I also think that's real it doesn't say anything about a Ny'alotha raid
And everyone knew saurfang would die
vernal juniper
I didn't
bitter horizon
mentioning bolvar is a pretty common sense thing in a death xpac
sullen dawn
It also says ny'alotha is threatened by the advance of deaths vanguard in 9.0
Btw I do kinda believe it - just there are some flaws
vernal juniper
I don't believe in it, and I dont like it since I hate tinkers and I want necromancers but to me is the more "probable" for timing and events.
sullen dawn
Its possible NY'alotha remains relevant after the raid in 8.3 but that's never happened before
bitter horizon
i think this has the best possibility of being legit so far
sullen dawn
Now I certainly hope it's real as I love tinkers and the champion system sounds cool
vernal juniper
well we don't kill nzoth so... also we don't have the test boss on ptr before blizzcon to avoid possible turns of events
we defeat it but who know
sullen dawn
How do you know we dont kill nzoth?
vernal juniper
common sense
bitter horizon
i dunno i feel we dont kill him, just 'beat' him
sullen dawn
I mean I hope you're right there, but they talk about the downfall of nzoth
bitter horizon
the wording is very specific
sullen dawn
Maybe by killing him we allow him to travel to shadowlands
vernal juniper
We are supposed to kill nzoth with the dagger given from nzoth himself, this is a master plan. We defeat him but we don't kill him.
IMHO
bitter horizon
yeah
sullen dawn
Which could be what he wanted
Then itd make sense for ny'alotha to remain relevant
Especially with the 'transit' text after its nsme
bitter horizon
yeah that's odd
sullen dawn
Might not actually be visitable in 9.0. Could just be there story wise
vernal juniper
Just imagine if this is a fake build, and nzoth will win. We die and respawn on shadowland at lvl 1 and need to level back up to 60-70 ish, squishing the lvl for Azeroth in the same time
this is my dream ❤
It will never happen but dreams are good for cause they are dreams 😄
sullen dawn
IF squish is delayed till 10.0
itd be cool if there was no levlling in shadowlands. instead you levelled 10 'shadow levels', cos your main level means nothing in the realm of the death
then they could still squish 120 -> 60 in 10.0
round lake
I can't wait for so many predictions of what's going to happen to be wrong
dull flame
I bet on shadowlands
austere gazelle
At this point the same source leaked the Bolvar Pic and the " Enter the shadowlands" one
so it wouldn't be absurd to validate both now that bolvar is confirmed
limber mural
so much dumbass stuff has been said these past few months I don't think anyone can claim to have won the leaking game
austere gazelle
we can assume it'll be called " Shadowlands" now
and it'll involve Bolvar, Kyrian and Bastion, that's all we know
tropic trail
We've dealt with the Legion, now it's tge remnants if the scourge and the void
I just hope the next xp doesn't feel like a filler for sth bigger
pulsar iris
bfa was a filler
peak fern
^ exactly
something had to lead to N'zoth, and the whole death setup was needed if they wanted to go back to Bolvar
uncut vault
half of BfA's lore was just setup for future stuff, instead of telling its own coherent story
guess it turns out that when Blizzard kept saying "wait and see", they actually meant for future xpacs
peak fern
yeah
btw, was anyone surprised that N'zoth turned out to be the final boss of the expansion?
uncut vault
not really, it was basically a toss up between the two obvious things for MoP 2.0
either evil warchief or evil old god stuff
tropic trail
A bit, I guess. I thought he'd get his own xp like shadowlands and be the big bad. Now, he's sort of reduced to a filler
terse patrol
Nah, worse. He’ll end up being accidentally brought back and it’ll be ALL PART OF THE PLAN and we’ll have to deal with another entire expansion of tentacle shit.
tropic trail
I wonder if the Kyrian will be the next neutral race like Pandas
terse patrol
I feel like I’m the only one over Old Gods.
tropic trail
The old gods are a cool concept but even then, they're only minions of the void so, are we ever going to face the void?
peak fern
The kyrian? 🤔
normal niche
bfa was filled yea
storm marsh
Yeah I wanted to say that Kyrian was mentioned in 2 SL leaks
3 if you count that pic
I guess everything is pointing out to shadowlanda
Too much info about it
uncut vault
never been mentioned till after the image one, so chances are thats just people trying to piggyback on the convincing ones
tropic trail
We'll all now more come friday. I think the announcement of a xp will be part of the opening, fingers crossed
They'll announce the xp, give a brief preview, discuss bfa and 8.3,give a release date for 8.3 and the next raid tier and try to hype as much as possible
pulsar iris
what is kyrian
also please more tentacle shit
tentacle shit is never enough
even if its burning green
upper remnant
They already disscused 8.3
Hopefully there is 0 stuff about 8.3 at Blizzcon
terse patrol
8.3.5 probably
upper remnant
X.3.5 are as .filler as a patch can be
terse patrol
“Here’s grinds to do while you wait.”
upper remnant
Doesn't need to be hyped at Blizzcon
terse patrol
aka, preorder allied races maybe
upper remnant
A sentence like this maybe
Also Kyrian are a race in a leak @pulsar iris
Nothing more is known
Except maybe a link with Val'kyr but that's all
pulsar iris
great
i want hozen playable
when will we get hozen, blizzard
i want to ook my enemies on the dooker
upper remnant
Never probably
pulsar iris
ogres and hozen needed to be added in bfa. god damn
upper remnant
Ogres are more probable yeah
lone marten
ook dem wikkets in the dooker
dark furnace
There are hozen Horde guards in Dazar'alor
It got my hopes up, but it seems like it won't happen
pulsar iris
unless they decide like
EVERYONE BECOMES ALLIED RACE
OGRES, HOZEN, GILGOBLINS, MAN'ARI EREDAR
HAVE IT ALL
strange falcon
🤔
cyan prairie
I'd love a Mok'nathal race
strange falcon
Eh,they have a totally different skeleton
cyan prairie
The Hozen got recruited back in MoP
strange falcon
Once i see model work and animations ill be more convincrd
cyan prairie
Just like Taunkas in WotLK
dark furnace
Yes, but they havent been used since except the Monkey Kingh
And they become random Horde guards of all things
cyan prairie
Will we get new Taunka Models if we go to Northrend again?
dark furnace
Have taunkas even been mentioned sine Wrath?
strange falcon
They got replaced by the MOP tauren
cyan prairie
Yaungols were awesome too, but i don't remember any of them being friendly to us
Except few NPCs from The Timeless Isle
The biggest issue is that Horde have too many possible Allied Races, while alliance doesn't have anything to counter them
Wildhammer dwarves are just normal dwarves with tattoos
High Elves are just Blood Elves with Blue eyes
terse patrol
Theres a taunka in dazaralor
cyan prairie
Yaungol
dark furnace
Alliance could have Jinyu if the Horde got Hozen. But that is yet another Nelf skeleton race
dark furnace
That would leave the gnomes without an Allied race, and so far every race has had a corresponding allied race
strange falcon
Ankoans had no work at all on them,basically reskinned jinyus while trashgnomes already had a custom dance in the ptr
Also
What fiskian said
dark furnace
Ankoans would have been cool though
cyan prairie
If we get any Reptile/Fish races i think that the best option would be Sethrak for Horde and Ankoan/Jinyu for alliance
strange falcon
Sethrak would line up with worgen skeleton/ar
And that would leave undead ar
On horde
cyan prairie
Sethrak would join Horde tho
Alliance would get Undead AR
Like Horde got Nelf AR
And ally Belf AR
strange falcon
I mean,people would be happy as long as they got sneks
They have a decent amount of work to them
dark furnace
All playable races have 3D eyebulbs this far but the Sethrak don't
But since they are a really wanted race it could happen
strange falcon
Sethrak have fully animated tail like vulpera,have the Heart of azeroth player only animation
But sethrak DO have female voices
upper remnant
Naga could even work now
strange falcon
Abd their loa is confirmed female
upper remnant
Since Mechagnomes just said "fuck it" to transmog anyway
cyan prairie
Yes, but they all use male models
strange falcon
Well IRL snakes dont have different bodies for male/females
You dont want snitties like how they put tits on cows
cyan prairie
Or tho maybe there is no diference in how they look
strange falcon
Do you?
pulsar iris
no, they are no male models. its just that there is no difference
strange falcon
The difference could just be in the females being more slender
And that would be reasonably sufficient
pulsar iris
or no difference at all idk
cyan prairie
Tbh it wouldn't take much effort for them to make female models
dark furnace
People wouldn't care about body differences as long as we got Sethrak
cyan prairie
I doubt faces would be different at all
pulsar iris
make males taller and stronger, just like every damn race LUL
dark furnace
They could have the same models but different voices
cyan prairie
Tbh Sethrak have a big amount of animations when compared to other non playable races
That use their own models
pulsar iris
for someone like me, who doesnt play with sound, it would make 0% difference. but i wouldnt mind tbh. no need for sexy big tits snek girls
strange falcon
They have a player only animation that vulpera had too(this in the BFA BETA)
cyan prairie
For example Quillboars don't have any of these
strange falcon
They have swimming animations too
cyan prairie
Yeah
strange falcon
And most of those animations have the mouth hiss too
cyan prairie
The only race that had so many animations was Arakkoa
pulsar iris
quillboars AR for alliance
strange falcon
So its not just copy paste
cyan prairie
Used now by Zandalari Boomkins
strange falcon
I mean,if wod wasn't so despised by blizzard
You could technically have the males be the TBC arakkoa and the females be the WOD ones
Because they too have male/female voices but no model differend
tropic trail
So, Nerubians are getting queens in WC3 reforged
This further supports my theory about the 'Queen with a bone scepter' being Nerubian
strange falcon
I mean,the nerubian stuff were supposed to be 2 zones
cyan prairie
Why would she be Nerubian?
strange falcon
And they got turned into 2 dungeons because time,you can still explore one and find its massive outside boundaries
cyan prairie
Nerubians had like 0 story recently
dark furnace
Do the Sethrak use Worgen female skeleton or is that just a rumor?`
tropic trail
They showed up in Island Expeditions
They use a derivative @dark furnace
They share some animations
dark furnace
Ok
tropic trail
I think the bone scepter is more figuratively. The blind queen might refer to Tyrande
They're the most likely worgen AR candidate
cyan prairie
No xD
tropic trail
Given that we meet them, and actually have worgen rigging
cyan prairie
Man none of your arguments make sense, so don't even start it again
pulsar iris
you 2 stop fighting
cyan prairie
I stop it before it begins
tropic trail
I mean. No other race makes sense to add.
cyan prairie
They don't as well
pulsar iris
what is redeemed
tropic trail
Go play Horde if you want them
sullen dawn
Light undead
tropic trail
Not even confirmed, just speculation, they don't exist
sullen dawn
Alliance style
pulsar iris
oh
tropic trail
Calia is a Horde character now, so they'd be Horde anyhow
sullen dawn
Shes not horde
tropic trail
She literally runs off to join the Forsaken TOby
sullen dawn
Its possible she goes horde but for now shes still alliance
tropic trail
She's gone. She considered herself forsaken
sullen dawn
Yeh shouting about how shes reclaiming her family name menethil
Shes says my people referring to the kingdom of lorderon
dark furnace
Calia leaves with the Night Elf undeads from Teldrassil
uncut vault
She can consider herself something she’s not all she wants, but when she’s a special light undead who’s best friends with Anduin
tropic trail
I didn't know reclaiming her family name meant bowing to the Alliance.
uncut vault
That’s an alliance character
dark furnace
And Derek
uncut vault
Even if it’s co-opting a horde race
tropic trail
@uncut vault Oh no, someone is friendly with Anduin. I guess Thrall is an alliance character.
uncut vault
Thrall has never met Anduin, so
pulsar iris
valeera is horde?
tropic trail
Valeera is for herself
pulsar iris
oh but she is a blood elf
tropic trail
She just cares about the Wyrnn family
pulsar iris
and since calia is horde just because she is undead
sullen dawn
Who said bowing to the alliance
tropic trail
Calia is for the Forsaken
tropic trail
Lordaeron was a peasant kingdom that got bodied by the sniffles
cyan prairie
Alliance recruiting Sethrak: "Oh, sorry for attacking your friends, defiling your shrines, attacking your home, killing a King of a friendly faction after they avenged your Loa, by killing Mythrax. Plz join us, we are trash with all our allied races, plz we are sorry, we know we didn't do anything to help you but plz join, nobody wants to play alliance"
sullen dawn
Whattt
pulsar iris
not love, but they are allies
cyan prairie
The Faithless don't
sullen dawn
Lorderon was the corner stone of the alliance
cyan prairie
The Devoted are friends with Zandalari
tropic trail
Not even allied really. Sulthis didn't even care, he just thought they couldn't win.
cyan prairie
They are in Dazar alor
tropic trail
Oh, so a priest shows up? Means they're buddy-buddy, or a trader or two?
Odd how they haven't been mentioned since then
cyan prairie
Cry louder
tropic trail
If horde were to lose a race to alliance, then what alli race would become horde?
pulsar iris
tuskarr ofc
tropic trail
You all can have Mogu as the Forsaken AR
cyan prairie
Maybe Mogu as Draenei AR
tropic trail
Listen here
pulsar iris
why would mogu ally with anyone in the first place
tropic trail
Mogu don't fit thematically AT ALL with the Alliance
cyan prairie
They have similiar culture to Orcs, and were mentioned before
There are friendly Mogu in 8.3
The Rajani
If that's how they were called
tropic trail
Yes, and their leader up and dies. Leaving them free to do what they want, ala, join the Horde.
cyan prairie
But i doubt they will ever become playable
Since lorewise there were only 2 Mogu women
sullen dawn
Dukkha you're a very progressive dude
cyan prairie
And we killed them in ToT
sullen dawn
*agressive
dark furnace
That would leave the Worgen without an allied race
pulsar iris
i mean mogu are cool as fuck, but i dont think they should be playable
there are more... suitable candidates
cyan prairie
Yeah, they would need some retcons first to become playable
dark furnace
Aren't mogu huge?
pulsar iris
LIKE HOZEN
tropic trail
No Mauldrak. We killed two constructs made by Lei Shen. Mogu have women, they've never bothered to show them.
Perhaps forsaken stop fighting all together, night elves leave alliance bc of Tyrande. Everybody loses 😊
sullen dawn
Mogu will never be playable
cyan prairie
I don't think so, they are just mostly dungeon and raid mobs
That's why they seem to be that big
dark furnace
All Night Elves go horde and all Undead go Alliance
cyan prairie
Read the description of Twin Consorts
dark furnace
Warchief Tyrande
tropic trail
Except, they aren't.
uncut vault
It explicitly says that they’re rumored to be
And we know they aren’t in 8.3
Because we see another
cyan prairie
Still, too few to become playable
uncut vault
Numbers mean literally nothing
Void elves are two dozen nerds who stepped into a bad portal
tropic trail
You have to keep in mind, Mogu commit homicide as easily as breathing. They probably keep them far from prying eyes, so they don't die out. Multiple books on the mogu mention them, and I doubt they've gone extinct.
uncut vault
Darkspear have been wiped out twice before wow even started
uncut vault
Yes, hence numbers meaning literally nothing
“Too few” means nothing because blizzard will invent more if they want more
They already did that this patch with the mogu
pulsar iris
yeah look at belves
strange falcon
cough void elves
cyan prairie
Or High Elves... Oh... Wait
strange falcon
Yikes
cyan prairie
Yeah
tropic trail
Just not another variation of elves this xp, please
sullen dawn
Yeh
cyan prairie
I Wonder what kind of Horses alliance will get next expansion...
sullen dawn
Unless it's high elves as customizafion option for blood elves
strange falcon
@cyan prairie dude what about gryphons
cyan prairie
MechaHorses for gnomes
tropic trail
No more elves, new classes and new professions or a profession overhaul
sullen dawn
But I much prefer redeemed, ogres, nagas, wildhammer
cyan prairie
Nagas would need less sneky model
pulsar iris
profession overhaul much needed
sullen dawn
If they were given the same resources as a main race (none allied) I think they could get their tail working
tropic trail
Make inscription great again!
pulsar iris
make we able to craft old transmogs with blacksmithing, tailoring, and leatherworking
tropic trail
It was never great, but come on!
sullen dawn
I wanna slither tho :(
strange falcon
Like void elves for highelves compromise
sullen dawn
Yeh
storm marsh
More elves. High elves, San'layn, Night Elf undead, yes, yes & yes
sullen dawn
Azshara is the greatest mage ever, ergo not dumb
tropic trail
Nah. Play an Ankoan, better deep-one fantasy
So dumb she got smacked around and made a raid-boss
sullen dawn
Ankoan are so boring
pulsar iris
ankoan are dumb. if they were smart, they would not be slaves
sullen dawn
You mean like everyone does?
tropic trail
Then ask Blizzard to expand on them
sullen dawn
No
Because theres like 6 of then left and they should just die out like good little ankoan
tropic trail
Asking for the evil fish-snakes to be playable is dumb. They literally serve N'zoth
sullen dawn
Praise daddy nzoth
pulsar iris
yeah like lady vash served nzoth amiright
tropic trail
She did
sullen dawn
Also after nzoth is gone theres more lore options for them
tropic trail
Orcs used to be slaves, same as goblins. Wouldn't judge race on their history
sullen dawn
Like the naga will prolly break up into factions
pulsar iris
orcs and goblins are dumb as well
tropic trail
Yes, but they can wear pants
dark furnace
Don't disrespect the Goblins like that
sullen dawn
TIL everyone is dumb
strange falcon
How likely would it be for them to announce the last set of AR along the next expac
dark furnace
Goblins are very epic
tropic trail
And can go long distances without needing water
pulsar iris
and why do we care about wearing pants?
sullen dawn
So can manatees
sullen dawn
Manatee allied race?
tropic trail
Yes they can
pulsar iris
no, they cant
strange falcon
Tubepants
tropic trail
Yes they can
pulsar iris
dude
tropic trail
They put on shortened pants
pulsar iris
no, they didnt
tropic trail
Because getting your gears clogged sucks
pulsar iris
tmogs just dont work on their pants
strange falcon
Their pants are diapers
tropic trail
They do. They have a pants slot
pulsar iris
they have a slot, but shows nothing
sullen dawn
Kobold would be a sick allied race
sullen dawn
YOU NO TAKE CANDLE
pulsar iris
for master we take
strange falcon
@sullen dawn kobold not smart
pulsar iris
neither ogres, nor orcs
sullen dawn
They're secretly geniuses
pulsar iris
kobolds too
sullen dawn
What do you think they're doing with all those candles
tropic trail
Orcs and Ogres are pretty smart. Kobolds are dumber than bat guano
strange falcon
And ogres used to have smart bois as seen in wod
pulsar iris
used to
strange falcon
They killed them all
pulsar iris
now ogre smash
strange falcon
🤔
pulsar iris
would you be sattisfied with a tattoo option for dwarves?
sullen dawn
No
pulsar iris
what would make WH different?
sullen dawn
Jokes/mount/custom background etc..
pulsar iris
so no difference at all as AR. sound like what we've got
sullen dawn
When I say background I mean the visual one on character select dafire
pulsar iris
if only WH dwarves could be druids of the gryphon
sullen dawn
Well just like dark irons are different
Wildhammer are another clan people like
Currently we can be bronzebeard and dark iron
pulsar iris
dark iron have literally gray skin, flaming eyes and flaming beards
sullen dawn
They could give wildhammer cool tattoo and piercing options
pulsar iris
i mean i dont like the idea of them being allied races. i would like them to be just + customization
but WH dont even have that
sullen dawn
The thing is I want the stuff allied races get for them
sullen dawn
Like jokes/mount/starting area/background visual etc..
Racials
Customization option wouldn't give that
tropic trail
is this the right channel for blizzcon speculation?
pulsar iris
maybe?
sullen dawn
all channels are blizzcon speculation atm
tropic trail
wrath of the bolvar
strange falcon
P E R H A P S
sullen dawn
yes we all love the bolvar
strange falcon
I mean wrath of the bolvar is grammatically wrong
And it makes me laugh
Every time
sullen dawn
....
tropic trail
meet the noble bolvarian
sullen dawn
that's the joke
strange falcon
I know
tropic trail
XP 9 will end with Taelia & Anduin marrying, Wrathion throws a fit and xp 10 will be full dragonflight
I'm as hyped for new expansion announcement as a vatican priest is for the annual boyscout visit to Rome
sullen dawn
so very hyped?
tropic trail
is there already a hypetrain sum-up image?
tropic trail
ohhh thanks
pulsar iris
so the joke is that bolvar is a race, and not a character?
tropic trail
I hope they bring Khadgar back. I miss him 😔
pulsar iris
i miss dadgar too
tropic trail
I hope bolvar will destroy magni somehow. Really can't bear to have him in the game anymore. Hope he's not able to heal his woooons
pulsar iris
i cant laugh at what i dont understand
tropic trail
Champion'
pulsar iris
and this joke makes no sense to me
sullen dawn
i don't think its supposed to make sense
tropic trail
Magni goes back to being king, I guess
tropic trail
My hopes for blizzcon: starting off with one hour of an absolutely epic WoW-reveal, and the rest of the three days is hardcore hongkong protest
storm marsh
Tired of that
tropic trail
ok sorry Ion
that's what Blizz hopes too, that the community is tired of it before Blizzcon
storm marsh
😛
pulsar iris
is that KSI?
austere gazelle
Meet with the noble Bolvars
tropic trail
not sure if someone has linked this
but we all need a Lil' Bolvar
lmao
Let's just see if we get a new type of murloc
cyan prairie
Skeleton Murloc would be nice
pulsar iris
murloc AR
cyan prairie
Wouldn't Murloc AR just be Jinyu?
pulsar iris
jinyu sucks. murlocs are cool
tropic trail
I think this is most likely a fake CE reward:
World of Warcraft:
Serene Soulsaber Mount
Lil' Bolvar, the Lich King Pet
Character boost to 60
Hearthstone:
Here Souls Wander Card Back
Warcraft III Reforged:
Night Warrior Tyrande skin
Night Elf Dark Ranger skin
Heroes of the Storm:
Val'kyr Auriel
Overwatch:
Black Moon, Untethered Scourge & Kyrian Icons
Night Warrior, Scarred Sylvanas & Bolvar Unbound Sprays
Starcraft II:
Black Moon & Dark Ranger Sprays```
Why?
1. Sylvanas was alreay a Overwatch spray when BfA released, I think its unlikely to get her again **just** with a small scar in her eye.
2. Lil Bolvar? I could only imagine a "Lil Bolvar" pet if it is planned to make Bolvar an villain who will be in a Raid. (or did we ever had not raid bosses that were pets, because I know only the murloc versions like murloc illidan, sylvanas , anduin etc)everything else makes more or less sense
strange falcon
i mean we got mini Kelthuzad for wrath right?
so it doesnt have to be bolvar either
also auriel's original design is already pretty similar to a valkyr in coloration
if you put a humanoid face under the hood,boom valkyr
tropic trail
we got Kelthuzad because he was a raid boss, yes
Thats my point. Why would they make a mini Bolvar? that doesnt make much sense to me
iron shell
Guild wars 2 have mini version of there major npcs
iron shell
Murlocs are pretty much WoW's Mascot
cyan prairie
Maybe we'll get a Murlich King as a pet from preorder or something?
tropic trail
thats what I said, we only have murloc versions of mayor NPCs
and not a "lil version" (like ragnaros or Kel)
cyan prairie
The "lil'" Versions of pets were for the non-human NPCs, like Deathwing, Nefarian, Ragnaros, Tarecgosa, Kel'thuzad etc.
white quartz
A murlich king pet would be awesome
pulsar iris
kelthuzad AR
storm marsh
Iich
sullen dawn
it was real it would say "Lil' the bolvar" anyway
cyan prairie
Since all the "human" characters got Murloc Pets (Sylvanas, Illidan, Anduin) i think he'd get a Murloc too
calm plank
oh right
oak wraith
Blizzcon 2010 had a Deathwing murloc
I think the murloc pets are most often for Blizzcon?
cyan prairie
ye
The miniature version of a boss doesn't make sense if it's a humanoid NPC
would look weird using a human child as a battle pet...
oak wraith
Yeah. The kid "pets" can't be used to battle with.
cyan prairie
That's why Sylvanas, Illidan and Anduin got turned into murlocs
oak wraith
Cute turtles are apparently okay though 😛
oak wraith
Yeah, but it can't fight.
sullen dawn
ah ok
calm plank
"go ahead child, fight this small sized bomb"
cyan prairie
Never forget Garrosh Hellscream... The only Warchief, who took Pet Battle Events seriously...
Do we have any information when does the anniversary event start? It disappeared from the calendar and they still didn't add it back...
white quartz
It was supposed to start mid November if I remember correctly but I can totally imagine them taking it off the calendar to reveal some surprises at Blizzcon
harsh wedge
From the 16th of november to the 30th if I'm not mistaken
dense plover
Won’t start until after Blizzcon
cyan prairie
If it was really gonna last as every other anniversary, why would they remove it from the calendar?
indigo laurel
They had some trouble with the calender in general recently I think. Darkmoon faire wasn't in there for a week or so as well, stuff like that.
cyan prairie
Yeah, a week... But the anniversary event got removed like a month ago
i think they could make the event last longer, due to the mount reward
storm marsh
I sense som azerite 'ere
tropic trail
The event starts nov 16th
cyan prairie
It was going to start on nov 16th
but then they removed it
so they might change the date this year
cyan prairie
or
they will make it start just after Blizzcon
so more ppl can get the mount reward
storm marsh
I mean
Its kinda obvious that bolvar and sylvanas will be key characters in next expansion
Didnt expect them to be allies either
So a fight in the cinematic would be awesome
...and sylvanas putting on that crown would be awesome, too...
tropic trail
I mean she really thought she could take the crown
If that’s the case she’s cute
“Hey guys I’m just gonna go lift this crown off his head and everything will be okay” lmfao
“Damnation is all that awaits” that’s a sexy ass line
But if he kills one of the three she has she can’t be brought back yeah? So she would have to escape hella fast.
And she’s wounded so I wonder how she would even escape. 🤔
white quartz
Tbh I do believe they will fight but I doubt she wins that fight. Even with her increased power I have a pretty good feeling Bolvar wins unless she has something up her sleeve
tropic trail
Oh yeah dude there is no way she would win
She’s smoking some serious crack
Like I said before there had to be a reason his eyes changed color
People are like he just got a crown nah he’s pretty fucking strong
white quartz
I feel like we will get a semi decent answer during the cinematic. And as for Sylvanas I think she may try to open the portal to the Shadowlands before she gets yeeted. There has to be something big she has planned if she does indeed face Bolvar as thats a fight 99% would lose
tropic trail
What doesn’t make sense is why would she put herself in a place where she can’t have another life
Like she had to of known he would fuck one of them up
If it’s real
white quartz
Exactly. Something else has to happen here if that does indeed happen
normal mango
Sylvanas uses death bolt into Bolvar -> gets absorbed -> empowers ner'zhul within the crown who takes over Bolvar / Lich King
white quartz
That would be kinda kewl
tropic trail
i dont think Sylvanas will put on the crown and i dont think she will beat Bolvar
Yeah, but why would he say “there will be no bastion for you” if he takes over
He still there
He’s *
white quartz
I think Sylvanas or Jaina may eventually wear the crown but I HIGHLY doubt that happens within the next expac. Same goes for Anduin considering how much they love comparing him to Arthas
white quartz
Depends. I think theres alot of reasons she may
tropic trail
I mean if she did it would be so cool
Okay so, does this mean it’s hinting her death?
I mean she has to be extremely cautious
white quartz
Im also 99999% sure that multiple major characters are biting it next expac. Especially if Bolvar ends up being another sort of faction to fight against outside of Sylvanas and Helya and also the Old Gods
storm marsh
I got an idea
tropic trail
Maybe Bolvar sends up to the shadow lands
Honestly I see him being the only one who can
white quartz
I also have a pretty damn good feeling Blizz will announce major changes to the game such as class changes and zone revamps with the next expac considering how much people want those
tropic trail
He knows everything about it
austere gazelle
is this real ? 😻
storm marsh
Sylvanas and bolvar fight, bolvar wins, but at the end of cinematic sylvanas says "you are weak" and manages to open a portal to shadowlands
Or smthn like that
tropic trail
Like if she’s after Bastion he might send us down there to see what’s going on
white quartz
WC3R beta invites are being sent to those with the Spoils of War edition. Other invites will be sent to standard editions later
tropic trail
^
white quartz
And that would be pretty awesome @storm marsh
tropic trail
I hope he gets to see his daughter
I wanna see that scene
I don’t think she’s seen him since ya know he got cooked
white quartz
Knew I shoulda got the Spoils of War edition.... eh. At least this way I have moola left over for some kewl new games from Blizz
tropic trail
i got the spoils edition and still not invite yet..
storm marsh
Sylvanas escapes to shadowlands while wounded and bolvar asks heroes to help him
tropic trail
I want to see Jaina back in ice crown
white quartz
@tropic trail I still wish we had seen Jaina speak with Arthas in Lich King form. It woulda been so cool to see that dynamic and I think we can see something REALLY awesome in a heart to heart with The Bolvar and Taelia. It would be interesting to see if he kills her and raises her. If he ends up having a bit of good in him, etc.
tropic trail
Like she has so many hurtful memories it will be great to see how much she matured
Yeah
white quartz
And yeah. Jaina in the Ice Crown definitely needs to happen for me. Especially with a expac with the Lich King being a major player in it
tropic trail
I just want to see the relationship of father and daughter something we don’t see in wow
Here you have a father who gave up everything to save everything and a daughter who does miss her father
But hasn’t seen him and what he’s turned into
It just puts into perspective of family in wow besides Anduin
Lmfao
And genn’s son issues
white quartz
It will be very interesting to see how the next expac goes down. I have a pretty good feeling it will be big. You dont just release ya boi The Bolvar with no reason
tropic trail
Like would he even talk to her like his daughter, would he try to build a relationship ya know? Would she reject based on what he is. I wish we got a small story for him besides all that dk Shit. It shows a new side to the lich king.
LMFAO
God I can’t wait. I have a feeling this next expansion is going to be a great one because it’s more then just saving the world, it’s seeing things you also lost.
white quartz
Imagine the mic drop that would happen if we get the reunion, we think all is good and he fuckin just yeets her and raises her from the dead. People would friggin flip out and go HOLY CRAP
tropic trail
There’s going to be a lot of sad stories and reunions if they do it that way
LMFAO
I just don’t want to hear “YEW GOT TO SAVE THE WORLD CHAMPION”
limber mural
I think Taelia is slated to be queen wrynn tbqh
so I'd be surprised if they did her like that
tropic trail
Flynn meets Bolvar and instantly breaks up with her
white quartz
Ive been sticking with this all week regardless of being called..... less then savory things and I will continue to do so until Blizzcon. I am VERY sure this Blizzcon will be the biggest and that OW2, D4, D2 Remastered, and WoW 9.0 will all be huge hits. Especially OW2 which from what I have heard completely overhauls the game to make it better and will be free and they will remove the loot boxes. I personally think the loot boxes are fine and I like em alot but unfortunately lots of people hate them because of what other companies have done to them. I also heard the single player content will either be $40 or it will be free for previous owners
limber mural
cause like in terms of being an actual fighting monarch Anduin is slipping by having actually not had a successor yet
tropic trail
guys
limber mural
the days of making an actual £40 title and leaving it at that are 4 years in the past
white quartz
From what Ive heard they will remove the loot boxes in favor of a weekly store
tropic trail
just to make it clear
don’t ruin our fun
If there will be a fight between Sylvanas and Bolvar in the opening cinematic for the next xpac
Sylvanas will suceed no matter what, even if she may lose a fight against bolvar
limber mural
Yo wouldn't it be funny if Sylvanas' final death was being thrown off the frozen throne
tropic trail
because it is the opening cinematic for the next xpac
LMFAO
what ever happens there
will leaad us into the new xpac
she fucking sparta’d her off
He*
its not going to be something like: Sylvanas loses the fight and escapes
100% not
limber mural
Honestly if Sylvanas dies her final death to Bolvar or being thrown off ICC, either will be poetic as shit
white quartz
That would be fuggin awesome but yeah. Sylvanas will likely succeed in whatever she wants to do and will likely break the balance of Life and Death. Something the Lich King REALLY wants to keep in check
tropic trail
her plan wont be to win against bolvar, but to use the icecrown as a gate for the shadowlands
if at all
I don’t think she will break it
She will get close
limber mural
Hard facts though - Blizzard dropped the ball on not giving her a proper scar where Saurfang hit her, and giving her a new model off that
white quartz
I disagree. I think she will succeed in bringing a major new force of Death into play that upheaves the current balance. Maybe a new army of the Scourge for all I know
tropic trail
I can only see her succeed if anduin loses the thrown
Throne
if Sylvanas will be in the new xpac, she will 100% succeed
Like he just feels like he failed and he gave up being king
she has to, because , again, its the opening cinematic
for the new xpac
And someone else steps in
limber mural
idk if il'gynoth is 
nowadays but we're still yet to see the shattered mask above your hearth and then you will know and it'll be too late
white quartz
Lots of people seem to believe it wont be following the BFA story but I REALLY disagree. If anything I am expecting a shit load of new info on Dragons, Death, and Old Gods
limber mural
i would not be mad at another dragon expac
there's something really WoW about a shit ton of dragons
tropic trail
example Sylvanas goal is to bring the entity or the ghosts/what ever from the shadowlands to our world. to do this, she needs to use the icecrown because its a gate/portal between our world and the shadowlands.
This will be showed in the new cinematic. Even if Sylvanas fights bolvar and may not fin against him, her plan will 100% succeed
limber mural
when you say icecrown do you mean the region or the helmet
cause that ain't the helmet
white quartz
See I think the next expac will be heavily Dragon and Death themed. I think there is absolutely a way to have both in the same expac
tropic trail
I mean the top where bolvar probably chills
limber mural
frozen throne
white quartz
I do 100000% agree @tropic trail that Sylvanas will win but my God will it be an adrenaline rush to see The Bolvar standing there in all his glory
limber mural
Bolvar standing there need to be like Illidan at the end of NH
Any less hype and I'm going hope
*home
cyan prairie
@limber mural Shattered mask above your hearth - try to understand it a different way
tropic trail
also, I can totaly see how Sylvanas rezzing Galakrond in the new cinematic. This would be also a similiar thing to Deathwing and cata, making that cinematic responsible for the Nordend revamp
cyan prairie
Shattered mask means reveal of the true face
tropic trail
what do you mean a new scarred model? she literally has only 1 scare from the fight with Saurfang
rez Galakrond then send us to the Dragon Isles ;v
and its pretty small
limber mural
yeah but like they should've made him REALLY hit her
uncut vault
They’re retconning it to be a bit bigger
limber mural
the imagery of pre-post 8.2.5 sylvanas
uncut vault
It’s now above her eye as well in the blizzcon Art
limber mural
oh? which's that
tropic trail
uncut vault
white quartz
Only needed to zoom to friggin 700% lmao
uncut lintel
lmaooo
white quartz
I really should start wearing my glasses
uncut vault
The real question is how her eyebrow didn’t get cut off
tropic trail
its so small, that you cant be even sure if there is really a scarr or not
limber mural
yo imagine if the wound from Shalamayne just got worse and worse over time and that eventually killed her
How much of a blue balling would that be
tropic trail
she got hit on the left eye didnt she?
tranquil steeple
no it was right
limber mural
left as we look at her
white quartz
When you forget your entire army is behind you and you shit talk em
cyan prairie
btw the forsaken banner is interesting
You use mask to hide your true face
when the mask shatters...
carmine junco
I want Sylvanas to enslave us all
Shoot me in the face Dark Lady and raise me as one of your own
night swift
Yikes
limber mural
cyan prairie
How do i delete someone else's message?
night swift
That you’re following a lunatic?
cyan prairie
Btw can we consider the "Shattered mask hanging above your hearth" The Reckoning cinematic?
She reveals her true face (shatters the mask)
white quartz
Sylvanas will not have a happy ending. That much I am 100% sure on
cyan prairie
and it is already too late, since she seem to achieve what she wanted anyway
white quartz
Nope. That’s bad lady
night swift
After she committed a genocide
Oh wait no thats the moment right before she got fucking told off by the night elf
cyan prairie
She gonna get raided by 20 angry orcs and a screaming diamond dwarf one day
tropic trail
im waiting for her to die
night swift
Well thats not happening
carmine junco
cyan prairie
so i can get even more satisfaction while killing her
night swift
They said she will not be a raid boss, or die that way
cyan prairie
i had so much satisfaction hitting Jaina in the raid
it was all my motivation to do her on Mythic
why wasn't hitting Azshara so satisfying?
cyan prairie
oh wait... maybe because i wanted her to live more than jaina...
tropic trail
by afrasiabi
Sylvanas dies on a cinematic then :v
and I hope indeed she will find somehow a happy ending. even if she dies
just in peace
night swift
We all kinda knew azshara was gonna get killed by an old god
It was practically being led up to
cyan prairie
imagine seeing a cinematic
where all leaders die
and we are all like "wtf"
and then we see them just reappear in shadowlands
modest temple
ugh
theres no point in death at that point. it has no story relevance if you can just step through a door and see them again.
its why comics are shit on for killing a character off and no one believing them. "oh no, wolverine is gone for good" right about the time Logan came out. 2 years later he is back with an infinity stone from some other universe or some shit. i feel those stories make it hard to be invested in them
the one offs are different
white quartz
There needs to be clear boundaries and restrictions placed to who can and cant go through the shadowlands if that does happen otherwise like Del said it just ends up negating the point of Death
zealous basalt
How much for blizzcon again
tropic trail
Thursday is going to feel like a year
white quartz
I thought whats next for WoW is on Day 2?
mighty wolf
think it's gonna be Hearthstone > Overwatch > HoTS > Diablo > Warcraft 3 > WoW
tropic trail
also im wondering how they will announce on opening ceremony with the other games..
mighty wolf
Other games? 
white quartz
It would be friggin badass if they open it with Bolvar and close it with D4
tropic trail
not always maybe only when there is an xpac
last year WoW was second?
on opening ceremony^
white quartz
Well last year was also apparently a shitstorm for Blizz in terms of setting up the event as allegedly OW2 and D4 were supposed to be revealed then
white quartz
It was imo but I do think its pretty clear that DI was NOT meant to end the con last year
tropic trail
^
i want to assume they will not talk about HotS on Opening Ceremony if they already got the new hero announced?
white quartz
Likely wont talk about Hots since they already revealed Deathwing
dense plover
probably not
they have a hots thing on day 2
thats probably the only thing outside of any esports
there MIGHT be a short video during the opening ceremony
probably nothing more
white quartz
If it does end up being true that we are getting at minimum D4,OW2, and WoW 9.0 thats already a packed ass schedule. Thats not even counting the possibilities of D2 remastered, WoW Classic news, maybe a new IP, etc. This Blizzcon is pretty friggin packed and I cant really imagine they talk about Hots unless a major update is coming that they have hidden
vernal juniper
any new potential leak in the last 8 hours?
tropic trail
oh yeah Esports -> Hearthstone -> Overwatch -> World of Warcraft -> Diablo
white quartz
@dense plover It likely wont happen but I do think there is a slim chance of it. Way I see it is if they do announce it, it will serve as something the community can get their hands on a few months prior to D4
tropic trail
Diablo team doesnt work on the D2 remastered it would be the classic games team
im pretty sure
white quartz
Be pretty cool if they give ticket holders and attendees the ability to demo their upcoming games. Especially since we already know WC3R beta is coming this week
dense plover
probably not for wow floor demo
b/c datamining risks
but maybe for d4
depends on how ready it is
considering theyve had a year
white quartz
True enough. It would be interesting to see if D4 is ready for demo form considering it allegedly having been supposed to be shown last year
white quartz
People would flip out for that
dense plover
ending with new butcher
and limited classes
maybe barbarian and uh druid?
i assume theyll bring back the other old class
and there will probably be 1 new one
white quartz
It would be a great way for them to alleviate concerns over D4
Especially since many D2 fans seem burnt by D3
dense plover
ideally D4 will end up as a mix of D2 and D3
the end game of D3 is solid
but it does have some issues with limited builds
D3 in general suffered from the initial mistakes that were fixed in RoS
white quartz
Id love that. It would be awesome to see a mix of both with maybe a few brand new mechanics and such. Id love for them to be a little risky with it however from what Ive heard and seen it sounds like they are playing it safe with D4 and risky with OW2
white quartz
I do to. Alot. Its a shame the game got so much blowback they cancelled future expacs for it
dense plover
b/c the original game sucked
white quartz
Yep. Its a shame too. I thought the story was fine personally but the gameplay was meh
tropic trail
So I never been to blizcon do they do wow early or later in the day
The 1st day or is it random every time
austere gazelle
Saying D2 remaster is unlikely because of D4 is like saying Reforged is not happening cause of wow, or classic not happening because of wow xD
white quartz
Well tbh Peach is kinda right here. Depending on how they do it if they release D2 it runs the potential of clashing with D4
That and the classic games team is working on WC3R so unless that releases soon it is pretty unlikely we get D2 remastered soon
austere gazelle
Same. They announced classic and a new expansion
nothing clashed each other
they released them separately
forest sphinx
So far, just in terms of multiplayer, WC3R feels really solid
tropic trail
Oooo ok
i wonder if VT will get a demo this blizzcon
Sorry another question for those who have gone, me and my boyfriend wanted to buy stuff there like sweaters or something idk if they have that there like a shop or vendors
Lmfao
white quartz
I dont know specifics but I do know the Blink Shop is for Blizzcon attendees whereas you order stuff online for pickup at Blizzcon. There is also the Blizzard Gear Store as well and Im pretty sure there are a few shops within the convention to buy some items
normal niche
they should make saurfang a dk
tropic trail
Ah okay wasn’t sure how it works there because of how huge it is
white quartz
Dont take my word for it. Id check the main site just to be sure since as I said Im pretty sure so I could be wrong. Just dont want ya to get screwed over or anything due to a mistake on my part
tropic trail
Yeah I will :0! Or I will try lol.
Who else is so excited to get chills hearing Bolvar speak in a cinematic.
I hope it gives me Arthas chills
white quartz
Oh. If Bolvar speaks people are gonna lose it. Imagine if the rumors are true and we get a D4 and OW2 cinematic as well. Holy cow people will flip out
normal niche
lol
white quartz
And if the rumors are true that Sylvanas will fight Bolvar the crowd is gonna bring the stadium down in hype. Especially if the rumored ending for the cinematic is true
tropic trail
Wait what ending
white quartz
Well from what Ive read Sylvanas gets her ass beat by Bolvar but before he can finish her she opens up the Shadowlands thus disrupting the balance of Life and Death. If thats real. Mah lawd
tropic trail
Ooo that part.
ancient jasper
Sylvanas getting her ass beat by Bolvar would be hilarious
tropic trail
Yeah I mean she knew tho
She had to of known
She’s not that stupid but I don’t think she wanted one of her Valkyrie to die
BUT AGAIN, the disrespect that they tried to stop him like what?
Lmfao
I hope you can see them in the cinematic
ancient jasper
Wait was there a full on leak?
tropic trail
Not really
You don’t know what will happen after she leaves or how she even got there
You don’t know why Bolvar decided now to fully activate the crown and what his plans are
You don’t know why Slyvanas wanted a death wish taking him on.
cyan prairie
I don't think that Bolvar did it willingly
tropic trail
I mean tbh, if any place will take you to the shadowlands it’s ICC, maybe she needed him to use the crown in order to go to the shadowlands
No I think he had to
He refused it for so long but he knew he had to so he made the choice
cyan prairie
I think that he just lost control over it
tropic trail
I honestly don’t think he got to a weaken state that would be shit writing it should show him actually using the crown because he is that strong rather then being controlled.
That’s just a yawn moment for me. Maybe she didn’t expect him to have control over it
And it threw her off her game
I kinda like the leak it leaves so many possibilities rather then spoil it lol
mighty wolf
tropic trail
He is so handsome look at him
cyan prairie
a pig with beard
cyan prairie
i still keep the theory that he had control over that power when his eyes were red, and then he lost the control over it, giving the Lich King control over him
tranquil steeple
prolly just made for decoration, tbh
ionic terrace
white quartz
Big RIP
tranquil steeple
oof
forest sphinx
Oof
That means Visions of N'Zoth still needs testing and we will be having something new for 8.3
warm shore
8.3 is pretty exciting. I wanna see the new DK stuff thats been datamined if thats happening in 8.3
sullen dawn
8.3 will be a nice thing to do over christmas :)
warm shore
most of what I heard is that 8.3 will be a January release
cloud iron
8.3 being a Jan release would be pretty sad. Especially since there isnt a lot of -overall- content. Dont get me wrong, there is a lot. But its mainly in reused zones just with added effects. - Its also gonna suck if the next expac is a august release.
dense plover
next expac is almost definitely july/august
8.3 is probably mid december, raid mid-jan, 8.3.5 sometime in march or early april, prepatch in june/july
tropic trail
thats too early
tropic trail
if they do the lvl squish..
dense plover
theres no evidence they will
and the world scaling happened in 7.3.5 and didnt affect 8.0 development
vernal juniper
they probably do but is not sure
uncut lintel
id rather not have a level squish...
uncut lintel
what if i bought a boost?
dense plover
it would take you to the same expac
all a level squish is, is changing one number to another
uncut lintel
but thats not fair, its not worth 60 dollars to reach lvl 60
vernal juniper
one of the last time we got an official survay was abou "what is your favorite capital" during wod. Dalaran won and we got "new dalaran on legion as capital.
dense plover
its the same amount of time rani
uncut lintel
HUH??
dense plover
they arent making it faster to reach max level if they squish
it would just take twice as long per level
uncut lintel
oh
dense plover
leveling in wow isnt gonna get faster
we are at the time to max they want it at currently
the only change we might see if WoD and Legion being combined into one set of levels, like with cata and mop
white quartz
What the lvl squish would do is likely change how quickly you gain abilities and make it feel like you are getting more power over time instead of having large chunks of lvling go without new abilities or anything that feels like a power boost
dense plover
except it wouldnt be quicker
you would just get all the abilities with less artificial gaps
the amount of time between abilities wouldnt change
white quartz
Shoulda worded that better. It would give the illusion it is quicker to some
dense plover
yes