they have terrible beards, just little n-sync boy band goatees
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sullen dawn
cyan prairie
Give us the customization as Lor'themar has
pulsar iris
yeah but it's better than belves beard
cyan prairie
i'm gonna race change my Pala from Zandalari to a Belf
deep pawn
Like I legit believe umbric is pure evil
deep pawn
Making undead void constructs, throwing ambassadors into the twisting nether, my least fav alliance race
deep pawn
When you make dark irons look sane and honorable
cyan prairie
Dark Irons have civillians killed on their account
but still killing > torturing something
or turning it into some void monster
deep pawn
I'm waiting for the expansion when we kill tyrande, genn, umbric, and alleria. It's coming
uncut vault
Uh, dark irons have done much worse than kill civilians in their past lol
They were slavers for years
deep pawn
I mean our dodgy friend Locus Walker is back in 8.3
pulsar iris
dark iron are coolio
tropic trail
im Ally but im starting to hate them
deep pawn
Watch locus walker be an avatar of a void lord
cyan prairie
Alleria in 7.3 - I believe that Void Elves can fight the corruption to defeat N'zoth.
Alleria in 8.2.5 - Well it seems like the only army capable of defeating N'zoth is currently in Orgrimmar under lead of Sylvanas.
tropic trail
Lol
cyan prairie
And yeah she actually says it when you talk with her
tropic trail
i never saw that on 7.3
cyan prairie
If i was Wrathion, i wouldn't like the "Champion of Azeroth" to be a Void Elf
deep pawn
Less than a week now!
cyan prairie
The hype train is coming xD
pulsar iris
i only need to survive one more week
deep pawn
Watch it be time travel again
pulsar iris
i couldn't care less about lore so far. i want gameplay
uncut vault
Eh, for what weβre doing in 8.3, the champion being a void elf seems like an advantage
cyan prairie
I still wonder what is the "moment of her third death". Seems like Alleria to me, since she says, that she feels like she died twice already (i can remove Sylvanas from the list since she died 3 times already). She also says that the only thing keeping her mind in a "good" state is thinking about her son. So... maybe the third death isn't literally her death, but Arator's? She would lose here mind and start doing some weird stuff.
Maybe Visions of N'zoth for Stormwind show Alleria after the "moment of her third death"?
pulsar iris
she is literally forcing the void into arator there
cyan prairie
So maybe something else would cause her to go mad.
With D2 remastered can we expect D4 too?
deep pawn
Probably
The guy who leaked ow2 said d2 remaster and d4
But the art book already confirmed d4
white quartz
And they also leaked Ashe last year for OW
And yes the icons are updated
Lemme tell ya if they actually announce D2 remastered, D4, OW2, and the next WoW expac ohhh my. Itll be beautiful
mighty wolf
What is Overwatch 2? π€
inner copper
perhaps a story mode overwatch
white quartz
@strange falcon Changed my profile pic when the photo was first released by Blizz π
strange falcon
people are speculating it's PVE overwatch
mighty wolf
inner copper
so players vs AI from the training mode/ some events
white quartz
According to the leaks it is a story based game set in Overwatch Universe. And considering some of these leaks are from people who have been correct Id like to hope its right. It will apparently have a leveling system as well. But all Im saying is if its just OW events resold as a game Im out
mighty wolf
Overwatch for phones
white quartz
Dont give em ideas
pulsar iris
Borderlands style OW game
forest sphinx
My skin just crawled at the idea of Overwatch Mobile
pulsar iris
check me in
deep pawn
There's some people certain there's a new IP being announced too
strange falcon
wow classic MOBILE
white quartz
It was compared more to Destiny from what I have heard and from people I trust in terms of the info they tell us they claim that Blizzard is indeed working on a new IP but that may not be shown this year
pulsar iris
i have no idea what destiny looks like so
pulsar iris
sounds fun
white quartz
Honestly Id love to see an OW styled Destiny game but with a heavy emphasis on story
Its something Ive been asking for, for a long time.
deep pawn
I'm salty that there's a lol animated series before an overwatch one
white quartz
Saaaaaaaaame
Im holding out hope Blizz announces a tv series for one of its main franchises sometime soon
pulsar iris
but lol sucks
strange falcon
lol is prime cancer
pulsar iris
warcraft needs a series of animated films
deep pawn
OW was perfect for it, I expected a Netflix series when it was announced
white quartz
Im not too big a fan of LoL however the world they have built up is kinda cool
OW, Diablo, WoW, Starcraft.... any of these would be PHENOMENAL shows. Its just a shame the Warcraft movie tanked so hard and has Blizz afraid to do something like that again. I still firmly believe the movie was great.... for fans. For casual people or new people they were never gonna have any idea what was happening
pulsar iris
i think they shouldn't make with real people. just animate it
strange falcon
the movie was trying to condense wayyy too much info into a few hours
and it came out as a clusterf*ck
white quartz
I mean I honestly think live action WoW could be fantastic however I do believe Blizz has far more potential when it comes to making animated shows for its properties
cyan prairie
If there was a movie from Warcraft
covering most of the main story
it would last like 24 hours at least
pulsar iris
thats why there could be a series of films
inner copper
or just a series like DOCTOR WHO which has been going for literally more than half a century
cyan prairie
It would be impossible to include all the story aspects in one movie
There could be a one movie all about Arthas' story
And i think that it would be interesting even for those who don't know much about Warcraft
white quartz
Imagine seeing the Lich King story told in full animation or live action..... Oh boy that would be beautiful
sullen dawn
netflix series even in the in-game cinematics style would be amazing
the cgi stuff is way too expensive tho
if they synced it up with the game, you could have bits of the world have minor changes each week after an episode
tranquil steeple
that just sounds like too much unecessary work, imo
vernal juniper
does anyone saw what happens on ptr test at the end of the fight with il'gynoth?
storm marsh
yeah i agree with toby. some kind of series with in-game cinematic style would be awesome. they should hire a team specificly for that
heady marsh
what happens when you kill him?
modest temple
Huh.. I don't know if this is old or anything but someone just posted this on the wowforums https://i.imgur.com/puMnVa9.jpg Skull and vines motif is interesting. The poster theorizes is Xal, I just see the skulls and stuff and suddenly worry if we aren't actually getting a death themed exp. I'm never interested in undead stuff. =/
white quartz
So I just read the new whispers from the new update and oh baby is the next expac gonna be great
ancient jasper
Eh?
modest temple
its an interesting write up.
dense plover
del
that means nothing
its art, it isnt part of the book outside of being art
that theory started with Pyro
back then he claimed that the tentacles meant there was a fifth old god
its all nonsense
modest temple
ok
lean yew
I can't stand to watch pyro's videos anymore
I don't mean to hate on him
but if I hear him mention"x # of characters having white eyes" one more time
or how the bubble in the azshara cinematic was blue then red like argus cause death then blue omg death omg argus
when it was actually completely insignificant at all, it just looked cool
He takes a mole-hill and turns it into a gigantic mountain, blizzard doesn't think out every small tiny detail in the sense of it having cosmic meanings, sometimes things just look cool
modest temple
eh i think ill skip
white quartz
I mean yeah. Sometimes I can imagine its possible Pyro cooooould be correct. But chances on alot of that being correct is next to nill. Especially when the only backup he has for the Argus one that Ive seen at least is just the fact the color changed with the Azshara bubble thingy
dense plover
if you guess every possibility, eventually youll be right
but youre essentially getting their by luck and random chance
it makes your predictions worthless
white quartz
That I can agree with. I like the guy. I do. But I cant really believe anything he says when all of it is essentially a summary of every possible outcome
heavy shore
He takes a mole-hill and turns it into a gigantic mountain
That's speculation youtube for you. It takes very little time to churn out 40 variations of baseless speculation for clickbait. I mean I get it though, it's not like anyone ever goes "remember when this person was wrong about the future of this thing what a fool". When there's not much to legitimately talk about super easy to just go "PTR spoilers 100% reveal we're going to the moon to fight deep space murlocs".
Also we're 100% going to the moon to fight deep space murlocs you heard it here first
calm garden
i like how the new restored vale world map still has the horde digsite on it despite it not actually being there lol
deep pawn
It's there during the assaults
tropic trail
Wondering if the red glow in the sky is still there on PTR
Blizz told us there's trouble if it's missing
uncut vault
it still is
smoky mural
blizz say alot of stuff that isn't true
deep pawn
I swear it's a bit bigger
uncut vault
people have said that every patch since 8.0 lol
deep pawn
hehe
lethal folio
the Speculations are more interesting every year as the blizzcon π¬
deep pawn
sometimes
tropic trail
another "leaked" map from 4chan
looks fake to me
but I take that "Windrunner Isles" for sure 
Lake Wintergrasp?
Bruh
Hey, at least the Beowulf reference still exists
dark furnace
I honestly hope for a Northrend revamp
I didn't play during Wrath so I didn't fully experience it
uncut vault
Lol, if that were real, they really just said hard no to more troll content
tropic trail
if they would revamp it like that they shouldnt change Grizzly Hills' zone music
brazen zephyr
red raft
Lmao, big red circle in the sky that players swear is getting bigger?.. hmmm, where have I heard this before?.. hahah
I doubt it is but it'd be funny.
vernal juniper
I repeat myself, we got only 3 correct leaks in the past, for wod legion and bfa, everyone on them mmochampion, with only text about the content, without lore and only in game content. Post were a max of 10 row. If you want to find a possible leak that the way to follow.
If they "leak" you find on reddit od 4chan have picture or details of lore IMHO on 99% are fakes.
I'm not saying this is the correct leak BUT is how the corrects leaks were posted in the past
vernal juniper
I told is more likely NOT the leak but is how a correct leak is posted
if you find something more fancy that this it will probably 99% fake
tropic trail
oh, hes also saying new class is bard 
vernal juniper
As said, is not the content of this post but the format of this post.
tropic trail
yea I got what you mean
vernal juniper
is more probable this leak than the "shadowlands" leak posted on youtube, based on the last 3 expantions
tropic trail
Im judging this guy and his zero creativity
the "shadowlands" leak was more "legit" then this one
vernal juniper
nope
a good "fake" leak is builded on what players wants to create hype and get clicks to earn money, when they add photo is for pure clickbaiting to earn more money possible. Give what users wants, create your own possible story and you will get more money from ads.
The title of the "shadowlands leak" should be this is what could be happen and we created fake screenshots to get more money from your clicks.
As said a probable correct leak, have no screen, no big story on lore.
tropic trail
Bard class will never happen lol
I was referring to the content of that leak, not the format
vernal juniper
yaeh, but shodowlands leak was created to earn money for clicks on ads. The story was created to fit but already proven fake so
tropic trail
who cares?
vernal juniper
The detailed a "leak is" the more is fake
tropic trail
it was more enjoyable to read then this super bad written "leak"
vernal juniper
it can be enjoiable as you want but is not a leak, is a fan-story
tropic trail
all leaks on mmo-c and 4chan are fan theories until its proven to be a leak
vernal juniper
Thats my point, if you want to searh a leak, you should be searching for posts like the one I posted, the more detailed a leak is the more fake it is.
tropic trail
well your "example" is actually pretty bad
there are other fake leaks that would be a much better example
vernal juniper
that is a random one I found, we got 3 leaks on the past
vernal juniper
and the leak were exactly like that post
tropic trail
no they were not. Maybe in the "format" but not with the content
vernal juniper
yep they were, prove I'm wrong π
vernal juniper
which one
vernal juniper
I remember the wod leak if is the same you are talking
was out 1 day before blizzcon, with 10 rows of text
tropic trail
it was a huge text. But I did not saved it. Here should be some ppl who have it
tropic trail
yea I think it was this one
vernal juniper
yeah you right this seems a early stage of wod
cyan prairie
aren't all the leaks fan theories so far?
short carbon
there are no leaks
its just fan theoris
like after WOD nobody expected legion
and after legion nobody expected BFA
everyone tough it will be the void
tropic trail
its like everyone thinking its shadowlands now :p
tropic trail
murloc expansion with murloc playable race
either way we will find out in 6 days what we get
tropic trail
im just reading this new "leak" https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2517264-World-of-Warcraft-Touch-of-The-Void
i like one thing there..
short carbon
void again?
tropic trail
man all those Tinker "leaks" are triggering me. Because I think its the most likely new class going to happen - and I really, I really dont want Tinkers to happen 
i guesss
lmao
im with you there TiltedElf
i dont want tinkers
best part of that fake leak Redemption questline for BE & VE. New hair & eye color option unlocked, along with new tabard.
short carbon
i dont think warmode will be in 9.0
tropic trail
i think it will
short carbon
warmode came cuz sylva and anduin
tropic trail
i know but
short carbon
i dont think that anduin is against thrall
tropic trail
i would like if they would do what people have said on their leaks that if you have it on you can enter org as Alliance but if you have it on you can attack
removing warmode is like removing factions now lol
zealous basalt
People still like having pvp as an option
tropic trail
yes i did
short carbon
then why do you say a silly thing like this?
tropic trail
i know that there were PvP servers before BFA
zealous basalt
And honestly warmode is the best thing to happen to world pvp
tropic trail
i like BFA
calm garden
it is gonna be interesting seeing a horde ruled by a councel instead of the usual warchief we have had
zealous basalt
They arent going to remove warmode just because BfA ended
short carbon
yes
short carbon
there is no war
sullen dawn
6 days till tinkers wooo π
zealous basalt
facepalms
short carbon
no u
tropic trail
you mean until dragon isles ? :v
sullen dawn
plz no dragons
zealous basalt
Dragons ftw
sullen dawn
it could be both tho
short carbon
play skyrim is you want dragons
short carbon
wotlk remastered
zealous basalt
Make shadow lands a minor patch
sullen dawn
make dragon isles a minor patch
i dont wanna spend half an expansion with dragons snore
zealous basalt
I don't want to spend half xpac dead
sullen dawn
but the death stuff has so much more mystery to it
tropic trail
make tinkers a minor patch
sullen dawn
and wotlk is like the best expansion so far
sullen dawn
well MoP is my 2nd fav π
zealous basalt
dab
tropic trail
MoP is my 5th favorite :v
sullen dawn
except for class homogenization
tropic trail
i just want my draenei heritage armor for 8.3.5 only thing im expecting for Blizzcon lol
sullen dawn
yeh normal draeneis have been left to the side since legion
zealous basalt
WoD
sullen dawn
i dont even play one, but they deserve heritage
zealous basalt
In Legion they got replaced by lightforged
tropic trail
i hate LF Draenei
Draenei & Trolls need their heritage armor on 8.3.5
Humans, Orcs, Undead & Night Elves on 9.0 / 9.1
zealous basalt
Inb4 they just say
tropic trail
yeah true
zealous basalt
use the warfront armor as heritage
tropic trail
lol
sullen dawn
i mean they should get heritage but dranei n trolls should be priority
zealous basalt
Pandas need love too tho
sullen dawn
ya i need a heritage set for my main (pandaeran monk)
tropic trail
maybe just give the 3 races heritage on 8.3.5
sullen dawn
that makes sense
i wonder if slight colour differences for H/A pandas?
same set, but recoloured
tropic trail
they should do that
sullen dawn
next up grind to unlock class skins
imagine we got class skins but you could only apply them to new rolls after unlocking
sullen dawn
so you have a 120 warlock, unlock necromancer but you have to start a second warlock to use it
the rage would be unreal
zealous basalt
Psh
People like being fed on the mouth
I loved having to unlock a class I want
Eh
Race
sullen dawn
no it's more... "you have to abandon your warlock to be the exact same class with new flavour"
i like having to unlock things
zealous basalt
Eh
short carbon
wat
short carbon
race change exist
zealous basalt
Ye
short carbon
i think class change is called char boost
zealous basalt
Not even a bit
sullen dawn
i just know im done with levelling (ill do it once more with a tinker)
i have 2 x every class at 120 (one A/H) for each
zealous basalt
Nani
short carbon
zealous basalt
Don't say nobody
tropic trail
^
zealous basalt
Earning gold nowadays is easy and fast
short carbon
okay sorry
but i dont have that time
you dont have a lot of time if you work at a restaurant
zealous basalt
Sorry, pity doesn't work on my mind
And there is a way to get gold even if you play one hour or two a day
Auction house
tropic trail
lol
strange falcon
i am contemplating the fact that the new custom status feature of discord
is a fresh cause of new debates(not on the feature itself,but on what people put as the status)
like
@minor mirage titanforging was a massive problem,because it took away a good part of motivation from raiders to keep striving to better themselves and do harder content,and it made those that were already there,even more disillusioned as they HAD to grind lower difficulties too because of possible titanforge proc
pulsar iris
elite will complain
forest sphinx
No new trademarks from Blizzard yet
Except Legacy Of The Void for StarCraft 2 was snagged twice by them though
tropic trail
they will probably not even have the trademark until a few hours before Blizzcon
lol
really covering that part?
i just read F the Aspects lol.
that can be "of"
dull flame
F is capital
tropic trail
its "Return of the Aspects"
probably fake
but I like that one
because it dont has Tinkers
lmao
tropic trail
what is this for a shitty screenshot @tropic trail ?
cant even read
that
not mine
saw it on google document for all the leaks lol
storm marsh
I love that twilight of aspects
Saw it yesterday
I hope it will be the one (if any leak is true)
dense plover
I doubt all of these
No leak has ever leaked the logo
So those are just fake from the get go
storm marsh
Heroes of the Fourth War know no peace
Their loyalty is bound by the flame pact
This sounds like death knights i guess
Each of them will find their own path for afterlife
Flaming War. Unholy Pestilence. Cold Famine. Bloody Death
This too. Maybe dks will be able to choose eye glow colors
Orange, red, blue, purple, green would be dope
cyan prairie
Everything will be better than the Dragon Isles...
tropic trail
ok. what you guys think gonna happen in the new trailer? new xpac trailer.
My bet is
Sylvanas rezzing Galakrond into undeath
smoky mural
No
tropic trail
well Sylvanas will appear is a save giving, since shes featured for blizzcon
cyan prairie
But i can't come up with any idea what would they do
If Lich King failed to ress Galakrond, i doubt Sylvanas would
tropic trail
I think it will be something that gives you a shock or a "woah" moment
But the Lich King didnt had the same Death power as Sylvanas
Sylvanas is now empowered by true/pure Death magic
Lich King just used necro magic
at least thats my theorie. Necro magic being a lesser/low lvl magic of true death magic
it has to be like that. Otherwise Jaina and Lorthemar would know what powers Sylvanas used
cyan prairie
Lich King could command everything he ressed
tropic trail
only because of the Helm of Domination
cyan prairie
Sylvanas couldn't mind control a random weak Human she ressed
tropic trail
mind controll doesnt have to be related to power lvl of death magic
sine Arthas was able to do it only because of the Helm
cyan prairie
He could do it due to the Helmet and Frostmourrne combo
tropic trail
also we dont know if Sylvanas was already empowered when she raised Derek
cyan prairie
Stealing Souls with Frostmourrne
Commanding with helmet
Sylvanas could ress but not steal souls
tropic trail
all I know is, that this hungering Darkness/Death is a much , much bigger Death entity then Arthas or Bolvar
cyan prairie
Even Bwonsamdi mentioned it a problem since what she killed and ressed still remained here
Yeah
tropic trail
and if that entity can empower Sylvanas somehow to make her rezz Golakrond, then it will happen
cyan prairie
I think that this whole Hungering Darkness can be Mueh'zala
tropic trail
otherwise, I could see Bolvar rezzing Galakrond too
anyway, I think Golakrond is gonna be a thing next xpac
cyan prairie
And Bwonsamdi can be afraid of The whole war since "Balance needs to be maintained"
Maybe he doesn't want his boss to become stronger
Because he knows it will end badly
I don't have any other idea who or what the Hungering Darkness could be
tropic trail
if the Hungering Darkness is "The Father of sleep"
then its most likely Mueh'Zala
like 99%
slender summit
Anyone know if destro is viable in nyalotha? Affliction is boring imo
cyan prairie
I want Arms to be good again like it was in Uldir, but i guess i'll still have to play the boring faceroll fury...
Or to go back to tanking for good
worn crown
I do hope next xpac is Dragon Isles. I love the kind of unique take of WoW on dragons. Different than any mainstream game.
cyan prairie
Dragon Isles make no sense for now
We have many reasons, to go fight Sylvanas, and no reason, to go to The Dragon Isles (that's why i think that the whole idea is dumb).
It's like making another expansion in the AU Draenor, because we saw that Yrel became evil.
dense plover
i mean, dragon isles to make sense tho
wrathion has been looking for them
the point of the aspects is to prevent what happened with nzoth and the loss of their power during cata led to this
and we havent seen nozdormu in ages or his transition to moruzond
not to mention the amount of dragon stuff that has been going on
i dont know if dragon isles would be all 5 zones, it might
maybe 6 zones total and the 6th zone is that big squid monster temple?
dragon isles wouldnt be hard to tie into the LK stuff since the conflict between the red dragons, the DKs and sylvanas kinda all goes hand in hand
im not neccesarily saying its more likely than anything else
dense plover
im just saying its not totally out of left field
so the squid temple is supposedly a shrine to the old gods
that the dragons were supposed to protect
cyan prairie
Sylvanas would need to die in 8.3/8.3.5
or
something even worse than her would have to happen
dense plover
sylvanas isnt going to show up again in BfA
thats my core prediction
why put all of the war campaign stuff in 8.2.5 if it wasnt something that needed to happen before blizzcon
not to mention, shes the key art
dense plover
i dont think she will play a major role this expac
she might show up in 8.3.5 to help with the transition
but i dont see her being heavily relevant until 9.0
pulsar iris
yeah, that might be the case
i don't know what role she will have, but i am pretty confident we haven't seen the last of her in bfa
tropic trail
Sylvanas isnt going to die this xpac. Thats a 100% giving
maybe, just maybe we will see her in 8.3.5
probably just short
pulsar iris
if what we've seen is true, that loyalist tmog set reward, i think she will tie up things at 8.3.5
tropic trail
yea thats why I think she will be shortly in 8.3.5
if that Loyalist Tmog set is actually a real thing for the Sylvanas loyalists
pulsar iris
yeh
cyan prairie
I'd laugh if the tmog set was called Heritage of The Edgelords xDD
I hope we'll go back to class-themed sets in next expansion
sullen dawn
oooh lord please be true
i wanted the OG shadowlands leak is to be real so bad
check this
mighty wolf
sullen dawn
bolvar looking fiiine
strange falcon
Why does he have a hammer tho
mighty wolf
Also he has arthas/nerzul armor
dense plover
^
this is the core issue I take with it
not to mention we have no source
everyone is just saying they got it from someone else
plz do not spread it further
dense plover
just be sure to explain that it isnt yours, you dont know where it came from, and it probably isnt real
sullen dawn
if every other 'leak' can get posted, this is one is fine, at least the creator put some effort in if fake
i mean its obviously not mine. i posted 'plz be real'
cyan prairie
all the leaks aren't real for now
languid yoke
in less than a week we'll knooooow
sullen dawn
that's what it's not necessary to say 'this probably isnt real'
cyan prairie
That "week" feels like a month xD
sullen dawn
5 days and 23 hrs now π
white quartz
Yep. Itβs gonna be a looooong week π¦
tropic trail
haha now Asmongold is showing that Bolvar pic
to 31k ppl
and hes truly believing it
deep pawn
Yeah, that paired with the Diablo sweater makes me think the lich King is as important as D4 is this year
dense plover
oh LK stuff could definitely happen
but you have to remember that WC3R is also coming out
possibly around christmas
tropic trail
^
sullen dawn
just throwing it out there
dense plover
and yes there is bolvar stuff
sullen dawn
not saying it means anything specific
dense plover
asmongold's opinion on anything lore-related is worthless
just for future reference
deep pawn
He just wants to put on a show for his viewers like always and call it stupid
tropic trail
so...
I just watched the Wotlk trailer again to find a similiar pose/view like on that "leak"
and I couldnt find something in this pose and view
dense plover
nah, going theory is its probably fan art
especially since the eyes dont make sense
tropic trail
so who ever made this, probably made it from sketch
or used an existing charakter and just photoshopped the armor and everything else
dense plover
i bet within a day or two an orange eye version starts going around
which will only serve to prove it wrong
cyan prairie
did someone forget to chage the eye color to red?
tropic trail
yes
dull flame
well its not frostmourne anymore so its only logical to have red eyes
bolvar the burning man XD
dull flame
more like bolvar has no eyes
dense plover
the eyes being blue was a major tipoff
cyan prairie
the shot looks like from some mobile game ad that steals stuff from other games
does anyone have that screenshot in a higher resolution?
i'd like to check some details, if there are any mistakes to point
storm marsh
I doubt blizzard would forget orange eyes
cyan prairie
maybe these are 2 different shots from the same seconds or sth
tho LK's eyes always had that "smoke" coming out of them
sullen dawn
no the 2nd one is a comunity edit
cyan prairie
these eyes look like small diodes
storm marsh
At the end of icc, the cinematic shows orange eyes when bolvar puts the crown/helmet on
So must be fake
cyan prairie
the crown
storm marsh
Thats a big thing
sullen dawn
maybe he's cooling down π
obtuse vine
The blue eyes could show Nerβzhul is taking over?
storm marsh
The cold at frozen throne turned it back to ice haha
sullen dawn
the bolvars as cold as ice, is he willing to sacrafice
dense plover
nerzhul fragments were destroyed
we killed them, i think?
also, the blue almost definitely seems related to frostmourne and your soul
bolvars soul was changed when he was rezzed by alexstraza
arthas' was changed when frostmourne took it
red v blue
storm marsh
Im just saying if twilight of aspects leak is true, im welcoming revamped old world with my arms wide open
smoky mural
the armour was also thrown away
pulsar iris
dont we all, @storm marsh
austere gazelle
Blue is the color of Death.
Bolvar is the LICH king
even if his soul his on fire, maybe his yes turns blue when he channels death stuff
like, when he uses the powers of the helm
white quartz
Thats possible however as some people have said before. Time to wait for Blizzcon and hope we all get cool stuff π
dense plover
Bolvar has been lich king for years tho
so why are his eyes suddenly blue?
he has had death magic before now
sullen dawn
because he just finished his melding process
unborn glacier
I really hope that "leak" is real AND that Bolvar is not a good guy. A friendly Lich King is just something I wouldn't like.
dense plover
if it happens with release sure, but i dont believe it
smoky mural
and again the lich king armour was thrown away
austere gazelle
I repeat, when you have an entity that controls both the fire of the Lifebinder ( red ) and dominion over the dead ( blue ) I'm not surprised to see him able to " swap" eyes colors and stuff dependin on what he's doing
dense plover
why would they use that as part of the art tho?
everything else is red
the eyes feel wrong
austere gazelle
you can't negate one side juste because " he's now on fire " blizzard probably had to make a dinstinction to make us know what bolvar is about to do
cyan prairie
so is there any version of that screenshot in higher resolution?
dense plover
hes not "now on fire"
austere gazelle
because it's probably part of a CGI cinematic when he's doing stuff and his eyes turn blue
dense plover
hes been on fire
no
its the only version
and the first person who shared it is being really shady
either because they know someone at blizzard
or because they are the one who faked it
sullen dawn
im not convinced its real but i sure hope it is
cyan prairie
if there is no better version, then it'll be hard to check if there are some tiny detail mistakes
sullen dawn
shadowlands is way cooler than dragons
cyan prairie
since we can't see them at all
austere gazelle
if soemone wanted to make a fake leak, at this point of details, he wouldn't have missed the red eyes things
if he wanted to be convincing
dark furnace
IF it was real it would probably be something like
eyes turn blue
"It's good to be back"
And signal that Arthas is back
But I don't think it is
austere gazelle
If its legit, I think bolvar's eyes could turn blue when he use the ice / lich king power
at this point we know litteraly nothing about what he's capable of despite some random sentences
cyan prairie
He's capable of sitting in one place for years without moving
so we know he's patient
uncut vault
Thereβs a bigger tip off than the eyes
The blizzcon store doesnβt look like that this year
They changed sites
white quartz
Ya boy got a sleepy ass over the year that for sure
cyan prairie
god how much i hate such lack of attention to details...
had to fix this damned crystal on helmet
Now i made him blue
forest sphinx
How many days left? 6 right?
cyan prairie
it's just so easy to edit anything on that pic, that even uploading a wrong version is easy to fix quickly
Something just feels wrong with it...
Feels like "here take that picture and do something with it, because i literally forgot to make the eyes red"
If the person who leaked it wanted people to believe it's actually real, they would upload it in higher resolution - it isn't a picture taken with a phone, so why so bad quality?
white quartz
Honestly. That image would have taken an awful lot of time to fake. Im not saying it is fake but if it is the leaker certainly spent ALOT of time making that what it is
forest sphinx
Who knows at this point. We are getting closer to BlizzCon though
cyan prairie
The Shadowlands leak with Stormwind Harbor would also take time to fake, and yet it seems to be a fake so far.
As i mentioned earlier - people will start doing more and more stuff to make their "leaks" look real.
To get attention of people
forest sphinx
Any speculation on Cluemancer?
austere gazelle
fake leak is on the same level as fake news now
will become a full time job for ppl to have link clicked to gain money soon
cyan prairie
That's what we call a "clickbait" now
forest sphinx
Yup
peak fern
I honestly wouldn't mind a neutral/friendly at times Lich King
but I don't know how i would feel about him being the main villain again
sullen dawn
hopefully he's bringing us to the shadowlands
white quartz
Im fine with a neutral Lich but he cant be our full on ally. That I would hate
sullen dawn
and is neutral
tranquil steeple
only one the LK should be friendly with
is the Ebon Blade
atleast the current LK
peak fern
yeah, him being a full ally with everyone would feel weird
austere gazelle
if his rules is threatened by the hungering darkness, I think he'd ally with everyone else
remember that THE Bolvar took the mantle of the LK to protect the living against the restless scourge
sullen dawn
*the bolvar
austere gazelle
sorry , I'll edit π
sullen dawn
thanks π
tropic trail
btw about that Bolvar screenshot that its probably photoshopped apparently its form Bellulars discord lmao..
sullen dawn
i doint think originally
lord walrus just shared it there, bellulars discord isnt small
tropic trail
ah
distant folio
It's not the website store, but the printer BlizzCon shop materials they hand out like pamphlets
tropic trail
apparently it already got debunked on mmochampion
white quartz
From what I can tell I am almost 100% sure wherever that Bolvar pic is from it didnt start from the Bellular discord. To be fair the most "proof" I have seen that its fake is random people saying its photoshopped without offering any real evidence to prove that. Like I said chances are it is fake but if it is the leaker spent ALOT of time making this
cyan prairie
ppl don't even know what "photoshopped" means
white quartz
This is true
cyan prairie
it might be a fake, but "photoshopped" means it would use assets from other pictures and mix them into one
and i didn't see that hammer anywhere before
or any character that would resemble Bolvar that much
white quartz
Exactly. Like I have gone through all the cinematics that are known from WoW as well as major art pieces shown and I cant find anything that resembles this at least personally. Then again Im having to do that while also keeping a track on college work so eh maybe I missed something
cyan prairie
This is why this leak is actually good
Too good to be some random fake
Too bad to be confirmed
sullen dawn
It's also good because it's the bolvar
cyan prairie
also
what is the background of that picture?
Looks like the top of Icecrown to me - with The Frozen Throne to the right, and these spikes on top of ICC behind him, to the left
white quartz
I think so but I cant really tell
tropic trail
I'm just waiting for Sethrak at Blizzcon
ancient jasper
They haven't been touched since they were introduced. Good luck with that.
tropic trail
A MAN CAN HOPE
dark furnace
Didn't the Sethrak guy go to Rastakhans funeral?
tropic trail
In any event, I don't know how the fuck they would fake the hammer
cyan prairie
Ah shit... Here we go again...
novel zodiac
what are the chances that Vulpera and Diapergnomes are the last AR we're getting this expansion?
cyan prairie
50%
tropic trail
Not very high I'd say
sullen dawn
He switched to mace as it's easier to squish vulpera with
cyan prairie
there is still one spot left and we might get another allied race in 8.3.5 with the preorder
novel zodiac
i just don't know who else they could add
tropic trail
I think we'll get a pair for 8.3.5 as pre-patch filler
tropic trail
I guess we'll see come friday
dense plover
we are getting 2 AR in 8.3
they arent going to do 2 more in 8.3.5
theyll probably come with prepatch
dense plover
those 2 will probably be somewhat close to each other
ancient jasper
I mean it's Blizzard.. Never say never.
dense plover
they dont tend to do preorder without a release date in mind
and beta is usually out by then
or nearly so
oak wraith
Might get it next week.
dense plover
thats extremely unlikely
first of all, preorder means that the mounts and pets tied to the deluxe edition are in game
they arent
dense plover
theyve never done that
tropic trail
pre order is going to probably be on April / May / June
since 8.3.5 should be March / April / May
cyan prairie
if we even get 8.3.5
cyan prairie
one thing in the shadowlands leak sounded interesting
ancient jasper
Huh.. Just found out that you can get rid of the canopy on the Vulpera Hyena mount
dark furnace
There has already been datamined 8.3.5 Broadcast text
cyan prairie
BfA is going really slow when compared to Legion
tranquil steeple
BfA had too many things going on at the same time
that people barely paid attention to
tropic trail
Said the man who was never in WoD
limber mural
tbh.
anyone who's saying this is worse than WoD either never played wod, never played this, or is listening to their favourite youtuber
bfa ain't great but
tropic trail
lime venture
a world full of orcs, the great iron horde and suddenly ... woahh Archimonde again
distant folio
FYI here's some brochures from previous years for comparison
https://i.imgur.com/uAUH0fa.jpgg
https://n.sinaimg.cn/games/crawl/20161222/M8XZ-fxytyzp5460496.jpg
and the "leak" again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/637709046136438799/SPOILER_8jkFSt6.png
austere gazelle
doesnt mean anything
they made a new store, why they couldn't make new flyers and brochures?
distant folio
I don't get what you're saying
austere gazelle
they changed the blizzard store this year
the website
Why they coudn't change their brochures?
distant folio
I still have no idea what you're talking about... do you even know if they changed or if they did not change the brochures?
austere gazelle
dude xD you are comparing the last's years brochures with this one, saying they are different
implying the leak might be false
I'm telling you ' it doesnt mean anything '
distant folio
saying they are different
Wtf, where did I say that? I'm not saying anything, I just showed a comparison. You're free to make your own observations, but I haven't made any.
In fact I will agree that they are not different, and it does gives credibility to the leak.
austere gazelle
then post better pic because the layout is not the same on your pics and the " leak " one
distant folio
What
tropic trail
Alright folks
tranquil steeple
tropic trail
The leak has neither been confirmed nor deconfirmed
dense plover
it has been deconfirmed
it was photoshopped
if it was an image someone snapped with their phone, there would be no evidence of photoshop
but there are separate layers
distant folio
I mean the artwork still comes from somewhere
dense plover
it is fake
the artwork sure
but the thing with the expac and it being on that page?
fake
the artwork was probably made by the person who did the leak
distant folio
Ehhh even that, I don't know, sometimes in marketing you edit flyers etc. with software, and it would look just like that
Like if they were trying to proof of concept the layout/the words etc.
dense plover
but that wouldnt show up if it was taken with your phone
you cant scan the image for layers when you take a screenshot of a photoshopped image
this is an image that was directly MADE in photoshop
distant folio
Who said it was taken with a phone though?
austere gazelle
it's a compression analysis, not a layer thing
white quartz
It was stated it was taken via usb never by phone
dense plover
that page is bullshit anyway
modest temple
i had no idea you could do what ever that guy did to that picture to determine its validity. thats really cool
dense plover
the mmochamp guy saying it was a security guard is a repost
distant folio
And yes in marketing all images are made in Photoshop in some companies including mine, we'll first mockup the page in Photoshop and then build it on the website or on a flyer etc
dense plover
its not a marketing image tho
thats a webpage
its supposed to look like a webpage
dense plover
yeah, notice how they dont list sizes or price?
austere gazelle
people are assuming it's fake based on a context the invented xD
distant folio
It's supposed to be like the previous years' brochures
modest temple
why isnt there a full pic of that spot. why is the wording cut off if it wasn't a photo someone did. if it were a mock the whole text would be there
dense plover
^
in which case it wouldnt show the image stuff
but it does
which means the entire image is fake
distant folio
I mean, no, this is not even a debate, it's clearly not a phone picture
modest temple
its made to look like a photo but its been debunked by analysis.
distant folio
Take your phone, take a picture of your screen right now. It's not going to look like this. It's going to have weird artifacts and lines and pixels and colors and look all messed up.
This is a screenshot taken on a computer.
austere gazelle
maybe because the guy leaking it did it in a way it wouldn't be spotted π€·
modest temple
also they charged 30 dollars for every size shirt? ... im actually asking if thats a thing they do because most places charge more for the XL+
dense plover
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
distant folio
And EVEN if we assumed the flyer is actually fake, that artwork/cinematic still still exists, whether it's fake or not.
dense plover
the artwork
it definitely isnt a cinematic
the background is blurry outside of DoF
modest temple
well their store site seems to indicate they do... thats cool
dense plover
its not just blurry, but also sketch-like
parts are defined but the edges look more like paint
also, those mystery prints usually are art
not caps of the cinematic
distant folio
It looks very cinematic-like to me.
Like, if this was on an actual Blizzard flyer, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it.
And it's not more "sketch-like" than the actual WotLK cinematic. In fact it's not sketch-like at all, looks like a proper cinematic background. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tJYKnOQ66mzb5v3rc42cyu694KNmjEeZa5ktRVOETZs/https/i.imgur.com/8Piyglk.jpg
Reminder that these backgrounds in all cinematics are literally called "matte paintings" by the way.
dense plover
do you not see the quality difference in the background with the bottom vs the top?
also, why is it crooked?
if it was from a pamphlet, it wouldnt be crooked
and again, they cut off text
the image might be legit
but i dont think its official art
i think its art someone made
distant folio
It's definitely, 100%, meant to be a cinematic still, not a painting.
Even Red Shirt Guy says so, this is not even in question really,
dense plover
they dont do those for art prints tho
distant folio
I don't think there's anything saying they "don't do" that for art prints, and I can only find brochures for 2 BlizzCon years so that's not enough to make as broad a statement as that
dense plover
modest temple
... At least this image of maybe bolvar looks really cool.
white quartz
I think we can all say that this "could" be real but it could very well be fake as well. Tbh this is a REALLY convincing fake if thats what it is
dense plover
here are the prints they have done for wow
theyve never been cinematic shots
they are always art
austere gazelle
Maybe this is just a placeholder with a cinematic from 8.3.5
dense plover
the bolvar stuff on ptr is encrypted
even if its from that cinematic, no one would have that
you could literally spend the rest of time trying to break that encryption and still not get it
austere gazelle
blizzard could have put it on the promo material for blizzcon
distant folio
here are the prints they have done for wow
That's only 1 series of art prints, which seems unrelated to the Mystery Prints from BlizzCon
dense plover
thats because they havent done them before that from what I can see
2016 is the first time they started that
distant folio
They have at least since 2016
dense plover
yeah
austere gazelle
guys, don't base your assumption on " they didn't to that before "
dense plover
that was when they started
austere gazelle
as Garrosh would have said " time changes "
distant folio
They have done it before, but since they're physical brochures, it's a bit difficult to find them on the internet
sullen dawn
They have done cinematic stills before
dense plover
as art prints?
sullen dawn
Yes
sullen dawn
At blizzcon you could buy them
dense plover
as part of the mystery prints?
sullen dawn
Well they didn't say mystery
dense plover
or just art prints
yeah
of course you can buy prints of the cinematics
thats not unheard of
sullen dawn
But you could buy cinematic prints at blizzcon 2017
dense plover
but not the mystery prints
none of the mystery prints have ever been cinematic stills
distant folio
Well there's only been 3 so far
So I wouldn't discount it based on that
What was 2018's mystery print?
austere gazelle
If I was a company and wanted to surprise my customers, I would change things from years to years, honestly comparing what they did before when they clearly are changing stuff
( encrypted files, no trace of expansion doodads in the files like previous years, etc )
dense plover
bringing that point into the discusion is literally pointless tho
They could do literally anything
the only thing we can base our predictions off is the past
thats how predictions work
distant folio
I can't find the 2018 mystery print
sullen dawn
It's not pointless when the object in discussion is a potential break in that pattern
dense plover
but theres no evidence for the break in the pattern
sullen dawn
Were not talking about evidence tho
austere gazelle
there is
sullen dawn
Were hypothesising
austere gazelle
as I said, they clearly are more protective about their announcment.
tropic trail
Mhhh
modest temple
dats some art
tropic trail
I want Bolvar to die 
sullen dawn
I want all dragons to die
sullen dawn
Tinker and the bolvar reign supreme
cyan prairie
In my opinion some of these leaks are both "fake and real". Some of these leaks really look like work done by people working for Blizzard and could be intentionally posting them somewhere to cause some noise around them. Maybe these leaks really come from Blizzard, but are made just to make people interested in all that stuff a bit more - to give them something to speculate over.
jade basalt
I seriously doubt that this is the case.
tropic trail
I want Galakrond as undead rezzed
sullen dawn
Yeh galakrond is cool
modest temple
if i worked at blizzard i would totally be tossing some bullshit out into the wild
just for the lols
jade basalt
That would be playing with fire.
cyan prairie
for someone who works alone
sullen dawn
No company would do that
cyan prairie
What company wouldn't want people to get hyped more for what they prepare?
modest temple
not real stuff but yeah
dense plover
you hype people with little hints
sullen dawn
It's not a common marketing tactic- no matter what people want to think
dense plover
blizz has been doing this for a long time
they know what theyre doing
and they know what works
jade basalt
What I can say is that the cinematic picture "leak" is really high quality, so kudos to whoever did that, whether it's real or fake they are clearly talented. The eye color is not a mistake however. There's no way that a fake leaker who put that much effort into making this artwork would just forget about the eye color. Whether it's a leak or a fake, the eye color is intentional.
sullen dawn
The only guy who does anything like the is hideo kojima
cyan prairie
i'm not saying that all the leaks are like that, but these two (The LK screenshot and Shadowlands one that got removed).
dense plover
the shadowlands one said nyalotha was a zone didnt it?
modest temple
doesnt the guy in charge of MK just straight up lie to ppl on social media
sullen dawn
Entry point to shadowlands, not a zone
forest sphinx
So for me, the dead giveaway of it being a fake is the box that has the sizes in it. Bottom line of the box isn't the same as the rest
It's thicker
modest temple
"this isnt happening" it happens the next day
tranquil steeple
imo the eyecolor being blue is THE hint that the leak is fake
dense plover
^
thats my problem too
like theres a ton of little inconsistencies
like an artist was hired to make a piece of art
sullen dawn
A quick question peach
dense plover
and the leaker just was a moron
sullen dawn
What dont you like about it?
cyan prairie
i would be happy, because it makes more sense than Dragon Isles
forest sphinx
I wouldn't be upset if it was but I want something concrete. I want either Shadowlands or Dragon Isles
dense plover
the zone names are trash, the content is nonsense
cyan prairie
not the whole leak itself, but the expansion being about Shadowlands
dense plover
it doesnt tho
modest temple
no more undeath. its boring
dense plover
shadowlands isnt a physical place
jade basalt
imo the eyecolor being blue is THE hint that the leak is fake
The opposite. If you put that much effort into creating such an intricate and high-quality picture, there is no way that you would forget about the dang eye color. Specially since you made sure everything else is perfectly, fiery-orange. Whether it's a leak or not, the eye color is intentional. They're probably trying to convey the idea that the Lich King is exercising influence over Bolvar.
modest temple
its the emerald dream but death
dense plover
pretty much
sullen dawn
Just shadowlands is possibly the most interesting piece of wow lore atm
sullen dawn
Exactly
dense plover
not interesting
sullen dawn
It's a huge mystery
sullen dawn
Mystery = interest
modest temple
well diferent ppl find interest in different things
sullen dawn
Dragon isles sound boring af
dense plover
we know nothing of the dragon isles outside of one image and 2-3 sentences