so what leak you guys talking about now
#beta-ptr-spoilers
pulsar iris
forest sphinx
9.0
pulsar iris
which 9.0 leak? there has been a ton
deep pawn
rigole is the lawyer that submits trademarks
sullen dawn
And did leak legion..so he has a tiny bit more credibility but still could be a bulls hitter- I hope so because dragon expansion would be lame
forest sphinx
Let's wait and see
unborn glacier
Is this the leak that stated we're never getting housing or guild halls?
tropic trail
What leak
forest sphinx
I've read two different versions of his leak
tropic trail
Can you link it 0.0
white quartz
Yes please. I haven’t seen this leak
dense plover
Apparently theres supposed to be interview stuff or something
But emails are wonky
Uh no
tropic trail
oh no
zealous basalt
tropic trail
retail build - my bad
novel zodiac
wait, but theres already a new TF system
white quartz
Not gonna lie. If that leaks real I am SO hyped
novel zodiac
and it doesn't have a currency
tropic trail
Yeah I want us to lose battles for once
white quartz
Like it sounds great
If that leak is even half right I just got 1000% more hyped for the next expac
tropic trail
Like I hate that it’s like “we know we will win at the end” lmfao
white quartz
Well lmao. Be pretty funny if they just nuked the serves and said WoW is over
tropic trail
We need a xpac where we try to reclaim our home
Because we lost it
And we have to rebuild alliances
It would be a perfect time to revisit old zones too
novel zodiac
they had a chance to do that after Legion ended
but we got this shitty expac instead
tropic trail
Like imagine trying to give anduin hope again
And to be a king
I feel like they can still do that for 9.0
white quartz
I still stand by that this expac was bad because they rushed it. If they had given it a few months to properly prep everything it would be much more well liked
tranquil steeple
and I stand by the expansion being bad because the expansion features were unrewarding/boring to go through
tropic trail
Honestly I was hyped for the faction war... but then it got boring real quick lol
Faction wars are kinda meh now
They were cool when I was a kid
unborn glacier
Well that's because they didn't actually do the faction War any justice at all
The majority of the actual war was done by our mission tables
tropic trail
Yeeeeaaah the horde side got spoiled this xpac tho
The alliance story isn’t as thrilling which is hell’s disappointing after I did the horde one
deep pawn
The alliance story left me pissed at Jaina and Katherine
unborn glacier
Yeah but another horde Warchief with shafted too
deep pawn
"My personal guard died getting me to Drustvar to save a daughter I put in danger myself."
tropic trail
Yeah it was so funny when Slyvanas basically called them shit I was like bruh
night swift
What does a guard have to do with anything
deep pawn
People died for Katherine's mistakes and it kinda gets glossed over quickly.
Rastakhan at least died, 😛
deep pawn
People are used by Sylvanas, "She's evil!!!" People used by the Proudmores, "Such noble leaders." 😄
tropic trail
Katherine was so fucking stupid though. Like who would trust someone like Ashvane
She looks hella suspicious
deep pawn
I mean at least Jaina is showing some remorse for the murdering she did
deep pawn
part of the reason I'm not a fan of the alliance story
night swift
“Story”
deep pawn
How many fewer would have died during the course of Legion if she hadn't hid all expansion
having her temper tantrum
I mean I get it's a fictional character, but in terms of the world, her abandoning everyone during the Legion's invasion was a huge issue
night swift
Because she didnt want the horde in dalaran
sullen dawn
I think it's a terrible expansion leak
Gief original shadowlands leak plz
Best so far
night swift
Its a little understandable considering how much she hated the horde at that time
Which changed throughout bfa
night swift
She got better after the story with her and katherine
tropic trail
Leave Kathrine Proudmooore and Jaina can just be a side piece of it. I mean looking at all the shit she’s done I wouldn’t make her a leader of anything
I’d put her on a council
But she’s fucking wild. You can’t erase that type of crazy.
night swift
You’re forgetting, Jaina was emotional, because of all the emotional baggage she had leading up to bfa
The fucking questline shows you all this
deep pawn
I'm just saying, I felt much more invested in the Horde storyline. The alliance one just left me pissed at Katherine
night swift
And it nakes katherine and everyone understand why she was so emotional
tropic trail
Yes but Jaina is not leader material
sullen dawn
Jainas not crazy
tropic trail
She’s too emotional to be a leader
sullen dawn
We all kill thousands of people in wow all the time
night swift
According to Haruko, having emotions make you a bad leader
sullen dawn
Lord forbid she regrets her actions
inner copper
Anduin is emotional and he’s making one heck of a just leader
night swift
Which she does
sullen dawn
Shes not too emotional
night swift
Did you actually pay attention to like half of bfa’s cutscenes
sullen dawn
Exactly
dense plover
For example, George Washington
sullen dawn
Anduin, genn etc..
dense plover
People called him overly sensitive
tropic trail
I’m just saying she’s too emotional yal can think I’m wrong but that’s okay
dense plover
You are factually wrong
night swift
You are
dense plover
She isn’t anymore emotional
inner copper
And Sylvanas is too much of an emotionless person to be a leader but oh hey let’s make her f-ing Warchief cuz y not
inner copper
Boi
tropic trail
I mean she’s not emotionless she only shows certain emotions
night swift
If anything she did most of her stuff because someone pissed her off
tropic trail
But her tactical planning is what made her a leader
night swift
Tactical planning...
inner copper
Her genocidal planning*
night swift
She burned teldrassil in a fit of rage
sullen dawn
No her hatred made her a leadee
unborn glacier
Shes not careless, she has anger problems because, ya know, Banshee.
night swift
Because someone called her out
inner copper
It’s like saying Hitler was a good leader
sullen dawn
She became leader because she United the forsaken behind a hate filled mission of vengeance against the lich king
tropic trail
She didn’t just burn down the tree because someone called her out
unborn glacier
You have lost this argument, Lunar. Godwins law.
night swift
Yeah hitler card was a bad move
tropic trail
Rip
inner copper
Both committed genocide
night swift
Yrel on the other hand
inner copper
That’s the only connection I’m making
tropic trail
I mean there are plenty of world genocides didn’t have to be hitler tho
night swift
^
inner copper
I don’t know all off the top of my head bruh
unborn glacier
And thats why the conversation is over now. When you envoke Godwins law to win, you've lost.
unborn glacier
night swift
inner copper
I’ve literally never heard of it
tropic trail
Honestly I’d avoid talking about real world leaders comparing to in game characters
That always just starts a marathon of hate lmfao
night swift
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1";[2][3] that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.
inner copper
Ok
unborn glacier
@night swift Was just about to post that, lulw
night swift
Lol
tropic trail
LMFAO
inner copper
But if the comparison is “correct” why would I loose?
inner copper
Dumb law
unborn glacier
If you envoke Nazis or Hitler to your argument, you've lost the plot.
inner copper
Makes no sense for perhaps 5% of actual conversations
inner copper
Because one is acting like one?
tropic trail
No
unborn glacier
Annnnnnnnnnnnd, you triple down
tropic trail
If you don’t know your history on hitler plz
unborn glacier
You keep digging your grave deeper
inner copper
Why else would I in God’s name envoke the nazi’s otherwise
tropic trail
Don’t compare a video game character to Hitler and his goons
unborn glacier
^
inner copper
And I do know the history on him
unborn glacier
Imaginary game characters in a world of fantasy and talking fish people
Nazis
Pick one
inner copper
My country was one of the invaded ones
tropic trail
You lost the discussion based on the fact you compared a real life person to a video game personality that doesn’t have a real personality and can not mimic the same actions as a person.
inner copper
They teach us a lot about it
unborn glacier
<@&299347348847329281> Can we get some help? I'd rather not a lore discussion be about nazis and hitler
inner copper
Fine I’ll stop
tropic trail
I was thinking of maining a fire mage but idk 🤔
night swift
Mage is always a solid pick
unborn glacier
We'll definitely see some class revamps in 9.0
unborn glacier
I'd like Frenzy to be a passivle based on Crits again
zealous basalt
what the heck
unborn glacier
I dislike having to constantly worry about Frenzy stacks on my pet
night swift
I want some classes to at least have more to their rotations
BM hunter being like 3 spells is meh
unborn glacier
There is beauty in simplicity tho.
unborn glacier
X3
I really love Classic Hunter
After hopping over to classic to play Hunter, I find it so relaxing and refreshing
Compared to modern Hunter
night swift
Legion definitely left a hole in a majority of the classes
cyan prairie
Give me back my Odyn's Fury Blizz
night swift
God I miss that spell
unborn glacier
If you could turn back the clock and put your class back to a certain point in time, what would it be?
cyan prairie
I miss oneshotting whole raids at Antorus entrance, with the Argus stealth buff giving 300% more dmg and just popping Odyn's Fury
night swift
Maybe MoP monk
cyan prairie
Legion Prot Warrior (i will never forget people writing on general or listing grps in lfg just to kill a single tank, since they were so Broken)
cyan prairie
All classes feel so weak after Legion
And i'm not even talking about the numbers getting squished
white quartz
Yeah honestly mark my words here and now. 9.0 will be the lvl squish which will come with a massive overhaul to many things including the class system
I’ve said that for awhile. Even before I saw the leak before
zealous basalt
I just hope
white quartz
I’m very positive in this
cyan prairie
I hope that there will be more, than just 4 tanks in the game
zealous basalt
That's what started this whole mess in first place by making classes heavily dependant on artifacts
unborn glacier
I should take a look at Hunter in MoP. I heard a lot of good things about MoP Class design
cyan prairie
(no - Veng DH and Guardian Druid aren't tanks in BfA)
zealous basalt
Lolwat
white quartz
I think they if they do add the rumored “4th specs” the 4th specs will be similar to SWTOR whereas they are a sort of subspec
night swift
Guardian and Vengeance are tanks, just not super strong ones
cyan prairie
the 4th spec would be problematic
unborn glacier
^
cyan prairie
they need to fix the existing 3 first
unborn glacier
^^^^^
white quartz
It would be for sure. Which is why I hope the classes get overhauls with the lvl squish
unborn glacier
I actually want the Specs to stop feeling like seperate classes in and of themselves
white quartz
I’d like that as well
unborn glacier
Specs should feel like a flavor of your class
cyan prairie
well since we didn't get any huge class reworks inside of BfA, then i hope they spent the time and money to make the classes better for 9.0
unborn glacier
also if any class needs a 4th spec, it should be Hunters finally having Dark Ranger
night swift
Survival and Demonology though
cyan prairie
maybe 5th spec? Shadow Hunter?
unborn glacier
Thatd be rogue
cyan prairie
i always laugh when ppl ask for barbarian spec for warrior
unborn glacier
xD
cyan prairie
"well Fury is here for you"
unborn glacier
Thats arms
cyan prairie
Arms is more like a heavy-armored soldier
unborn glacier
Arms always satisfied my Barbarian cravings
zealous basalt
give them stuff to make heroic leap a shit ton of damage
cyan prairie
there was...
night swift
Fury is barbarian
cyan prairie
a legendary...
zealous basalt
Ye
unborn glacier
To me, a Barbarian is a big burly bastard with a massive sword brute forcing you.
cyan prairie
yeah, delivering flag on WSG in 10 seconds xD
mixed with dragon charge
and intercepting to allies
zealous basalt
Wtb chi orbit back
night swift
Arms Warrior is considered the tactical warrior
cyan prairie
Arms feels more like a blademaster
night swift
Even the description for the spec says that
unborn glacier
BM was so good in Uldir
cyan prairie
in BoD it was good too
zealous basalt
Do you know what hasn't been good in anything
unborn glacier
And then Blizz remembered we're a spec and nerfhammered us into the groun
zealous basalt
Monks
cyan prairie
Sub Rogue in BfA?
The only fight they were good at was Zul on Mythic
before nerfs*
cyan prairie
Any Legion Spec > The same spec in BfA
zealous basalt
Hah
not even close my orkish friend
If we are to talk about what class suffered the most in the transicion
I'd dare to say ww monks lost all the power
night swift
Frost was rough
zealous basalt
Ever have a damage spell in the artifact that took almost 70% of the max dps
night swift
Unholy was fine
zealous basalt
Remembers Strike of The Windlord critting for 4m
cyan prairie
4m? Bah, my Executes critted for 13m on Argus
night swift
I miss that spell
cyan prairie
after they stacked enough
cyan prairie
We are talking about the good old times D:
zealous basalt
WW started at god tier in MoP
Then...to a somewhat nice tier in WoD
Then butchered and somehow being great in Legion
To being trash in BfA
Heck
damn devs fucked up by merging jab with tigerpalm
when they should have merged tigerpalm with jab
so we can still have to use our weapons
cyan prairie
Look at tank Warrior - from the literally worst tank in 8.0, he jumped to being god-tier in 8.1 xD
And Blood DK went the exact opposite way
after the armor nerfs for them
Instead of buffing what is weak, Blizz seems to nerf what is strong in BfA
cyan prairie
no one really is
yeah
let's just hope that we can get as many specs to the playable range as possible in 8.3
cyan prairie
i feel like the things that we lost since legion should become the 110 lvl talent row
like some of the artifact abillities/Legendary buffs
But i guess it's too late to hope for such things... Just gotta wait until Blizzcon... Each day closer, each day feels longer now xD
zealous basalt
ya ya
night swift
The thing is some classes got their legion spells baked in
Or are already talents like ret pally’s wake of ashes
Now if they got that one passive where divine storm shot the hammers out in front of you
sacred phoenix
hello
dont know if its right place to ask but I want to see whats new with professions in 8.3 but couldnt find anywhere
night swift
Uhhh nothing I think
night swift
If there were professions stuff there would be an article on wowhead
But so far none has been found
forest sphinx
Can someone please ping me when razorpax posts?
dark furnace
In how long did he say we would know?
tropic trail
he said tomorrow
but guys, like there is a BIG chance that guy is just playing around
so dont buy to much into it
jade basalt
Didn't Razorpax say that 8.3 would have a dungeon and a new zone, and then deleted those posts when it didn't happen? So not sure about that guy..
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it felt like it shouldve had a dungeon
we got 2 less dungeons than legion patch-wise
white quartz
This is true. Kinda sad there werent any
novel zodiac
8.3 seems a bit short out of content
no new zone?, just the new invasions and a raid?
zealous basalt
reminds me of 7.1
deep pawn
they've added a ton of shit to Uldum and Vale
uncut vault
which are mainly just sectioned off world quest areas that cycle weekly
deep pawn
we got our zones in 8.2
round lake
New zones, while awesome, aren't a necessity. If they can build upon what they have to engage players then thats just as good
night swift
Remember 8.1 didnt add a new zone
signal bone
why do people hate corruption? Seems like a fun system to me, completely optional, adds more spice that isn't just numbers
people atlk about gear being uninteresting, now it's super interesting
unborn glacier
Because it is RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG
signal bone
So what? You can purify it
so only one form of rng
I don't understand why people flip out over RNG in the first place
the game has always been RNG, and it needs some sort of RNG.
unborn glacier
Because it turns the game into a grindy slotmachine.
You are free to like that, but don't complain that others don't,
There is also a tier system of the Corrupted items. So theres rng on top of rng on top of rng. You gotta hope for the item to be corrupted, to be the best affix, to be the best tier (And possibly socketed if thats still a thing)
unborn glacier
I'm a Mythic raider. This shit in infuriating. It causes so much burnout.
Exactly what Jhock said.
The problem is, Wing. The only RNG the game used to have, was whether or not the boss dropped your BiS. Now, you have to hope the boss drops an item you can use, it has to be corrupted, it has to have the best tier, the best affix, the right amount of corruption (and possibly a socket if that still happens)
That isn't fun
zealous basalt
Even softcapping the tiers make you reach last level of corruption
novel zodiac
corruption is hated because blizzard tried to fix a rng problem adding more rng to it
signal bone
why don't you just purify it?
zealous basalt
Atm we don't know what pros does purify
dense plover
except there is no more ilvl upgrade
at all
and also this is the very first implementation in the first build
its very possible that the actual buffs will change to not be as powerful
or maybe theyll do the thing people want and give a way to corrupt uncorrupted items
so you can essentially reroll the affix on your BiS
unborn glacier
That would be a good step in the right direction
Making gear more deterministic is what the game needs
Not more layers of insufferable RNG
signal bone
is something like 4% crit really that worth it?
unborn glacier
Yes
night swift
Yes formin max
deep pawn
you can get 35% bonus crit damage with minimal corruption
or 14% more of your best rating
tropic trail
going to post this here its probably the best Reddit comment i have seen in my entire life.
night swift
Isn’t the new seasonal affix void based? They could add corruption chance to m+ gear
signal bone
that's what I'm confused about - I thought people didn't like TF because LFR people could get mythic quality gear, not necessarily the rng
deep pawn
Force, the guy is wrong though
the corruption tiers have range
a low corruption piece can be +8-10 corruption
high can be +20-25
dense plover
thats functionally insignificant tho
like the gaps between corruption tiers are so big that youre still going to hit the same number of tiers unless ALL of your slots are corrupted gear
deep pawn
over 7 pieces, that can be 35 corruption
dense plover
in which case youll probably have corruption resistance
which isnt implemented yet
for all we know, higher tier stuff might give more corruption resistance (it probably does)
deep pawn
it appears the only sources will be concordance and essences
so 3 essences is 30 resistance
deep pawn
as it currently stands, the system will not be well recieved
unborn glacier
Mythic+ should NEVER be on par with high lvl raiding
deep pawn
screw that noise
if anything I want to see +15s drop a piece of mythic gear the first one you do each week
the game needs to move away from mythic raiding as a story element
it's constraining game design
at this point
signal bone
I mean it needs to move away from mythic for a number of reasons, story not being a major one
do they even do mythic only story stuff anymore?
deep pawn
I mean if raids weren't the vehicle for progressing the story
flat escarp
socket still remains? i mean socket + corrupted is possible?
deep pawn
we don't know
flat escarp
i hope not
deep pawn
blizzard loves its rng, so I bet it will
unborn glacier
Raiding is the bedrock of Endgame and MMOs in general
night swift
They have raids
deep pawn
but it's not main story
night swift
It’s its own condensed story yes
deep pawn
and it's not the hardest content either
night swift
It has a “mythic” version in the form of savage raids
Plus Ultimate Trials which are considered even harder
unborn glacier
Raids should always be the main character progression and story progression.
deep pawn
I just disagree
deep pawn
ff14 does plenty of story outside of raids and it's arguably the more popular game right now
dense plover
uh
it definitely isnt
wow still is
like, if this was WoD levels of subs, sure
but its not
signal bone
I don't see why we need to stick to outdated paradigms
deep pawn
My biggest issue is with those that say the best gear has to be from mythic raiding
make mythic all about cosmetics
night swift
Oh that would piss so many people off
deep pawn
less than 5% of palyers myhtic raid
unborn glacier
Mmm, yes. Lets destroy endgame progression because you cant play the content
Lets just piss people off because "Muh raiding sucks"
pulsar iris
probably not "cant play", but "dont want to play"
deep pawn
mythic raiding is dying, rip the bandage off
pulsar iris
im one of those who just dont want to raid
if i can play with my friends, cool. if not, welp
dont like being "forced" to play with other random people
signal bone
raids and mythic should stay because they're pretty much on rails at this point
but that doesn't mean we can't have alternative forms of progression that are just as, or maybe even, more rewarding
deep pawn
yes, but mythic raiders don't WANT that
signal bone
right, that's the problem with it, plus Blizz listens to them when designing most of their content anyways
deep pawn
titanforging is going away because of them
unborn glacier
Raiding has always been the main endgame progression and that is how it should be. Mythic+ can be comparable but should not be on par.
signal bone
I mean, I don't care about TF and I don't think most people do, but Blizz thinks it's a big enough problem for mythic raiders
so the game can't grow?
deep pawn
that's an old outdated way of thinking
unborn glacier
It's not.
deep pawn
its 15 years old, time for something new
unborn glacier
No. You remove raiding as the main endgame progression, you kill this game
deep pawn
lol, you remove something a minority of players do
Blizzard already says if not for LFR they wouldn't be making raids at all
whenever people ask for lfr to be removed that's their answer, "Not enough people would raid to justify dev time without it."
I'm not saying remove it, I'm more saying, "let there be content parallel to it"
put a loot cap on m+ loot if you let it scale to mythic levels, try out more 10 man content
unborn glacier
"Blizzard already says if not for LFR they wouldn't be making raids at all" Citation
Why should someone who is not willing to put in the same effort as me, be able to get gear at the same lvl as me?
Enough of this participation trophy shit.
deep pawn
It's in some random blue post or QnA at Blizzcon
unborn glacier
Citation needed
deep pawn
🙄 I can try to search the blue tracker, but it was said at one time or another
dry plinth
why are you guys arguing in ptr chat
deep pawn
LFR justifies the creation of more raid content when millions of players are able to see content. Only a few thousand people actually saw Kel'thuzad, but millions saw Deathwing. The reason Mists of Pandaria is starting with 18 bosses and adding larger raid tiers than we have had previously is because many players are going to see the raids through LFR.
unborn glacier
That doesnt state that they wouldnt make raids if not for lfr
unborn glacier
And again, why should someone not willing to put in the same effort as me, get the same rewards?
No, Raids have gotten bigger and better
deep pawn
not in terms of bosses
deep pawn
and we had 18 bosses to start MoP
unborn glacier
Not in one raid
zealous basalt
Not because you can't do a certain content it means they have to get rid of it
zealous basalt
If that's the case lets remove all max difficulties on every games because just .1% of playerbase can do it while the other cant
That way of thought is just, with all respect, bad
Mythic difficult has existed since WoW launched with a different name
deep pawn
I'm saying make ALTERNATE PATHS OF PROGRESSION TO THE SAME GEAR
zealous basalt
Why do you want that much of power if you will keep /afk in sw
Like, that is an important question
pulsar iris
i just want the tmogs
zealous basalt
I do like tmogs too
pulsar iris
pains me so many beautiful tmogs are mythic locked
zealous basalt
But I just stick out until the expac is over
pulsar iris
i mean anything to do with raid locked
zealous basalt
It's not like they will dissapear
pulsar iris
yeah just takes like 4 years to get them later maybe
zealous basalt
I mean, I have been farming Nighthold gear for a long time in M since BfA came out
Though
pulsar iris
i dont think i have the skill needed for that
deep pawn
Like I'd be totally fine with getting a piece of mythic quality gear for doing a +15 in time.
zealous basalt
Isn't Elite+ PvP gear the same ilvl of Mythic?
deep pawn
Let mythic raiders get unique cosmetics, but they shouldn't have the monopoly on that ilvl
Yes, but it's much harder to gear up through pvp
pulsar iris
ugh +15
deep pawn
to do 5 man content
pulsar iris
i cant even stand dungeons
deep pawn
I like m+, it's 5 mans, doesn't take hours a week, I can do it when I want.
zealous basalt
You want...Mythic level power, without doing the task of getting into a guild and run through the raid multiple times
To be able to get gear
unborn glacier
He wants to rob players who put in more effort, of their rewards
zealous basalt
To compete in something that
DOESNT
need that much of power?
Am I missing something?
deep pawn
You try doing +20s without mythic gear, 😄
deep pawn
You have your stance, I just find a focus on 20m content as the pinnacle outdated. We won't convince the other.
zealous basalt
Oh
Good bye Titan-War-Forged
The legendary cloak that players will earn from Wrathion early on in Visions of N’Zoth will negate some Corruption, and can be upgraded through entering and completing Horrific Visions to provide even more of a bulwark against Corruption.
Ah
If you get that trinket you’ve been hoping for, but it’s Corrupted with a beneficial effect you don’t like, or wearing it would push you above a Corruption threshold you’re comfortable with, just purify the item and carry on.
Excuse me what
corrupted trinks
Ah so it needs more works
deep pawn
The Corruption system isn’t a permanent addition to World of Warcraft, but it is an extension of the theme of N’Zoth’s pervasive and growing influence over Azeroth. As we explore this over the course of the PTR, we’d love to hear feedback about the initial round of powers showing up on items, Corruption drawbacks that may be excessively punitive, and the system as a whole.
zealous basalt
So basically Corruption is giving your Normal gear something extra but not making it better than Heroic or Mythic
deep pawn
oh for some classes it will be
zealous basalt
Depends on the affix
deep pawn
it'll depend on stat weights clearly
5% more crit damage for some classes will be very OP
zealous basalt
Ah I see
@dense plover
Cleansing makes the item just the flat out normal version
zealous basalt
You know
It would be nice if in the ptr
was something that gave us more heart power
dense plover
i mean, cloak doesnt currently
deep pawn
the ptr we have is always 3-4 builds behind
dense plover
yes
and i didnt expect it to be a stat on armor
that would be worse
that would add more rng
forest sphinx
So what came from razorpax today
forest sphinx
Which one
deep pawn
the corrupted gear post
forest sphinx
Ah ok
dense plover
corruption
if it was only on some armor it would be a disaster
it being on the cloak and upgradable is ideal
deep pawn
it looks like cloak, essences, and concordance
it'll be one way to force everyone to use new essences
deep pawn
should let you use all 3 essences. 😄
deep pawn
plus concordance
dense plover
so its not like you have to waste a slot unless you want to go crazy with corruption
deep pawn
I guess we'll have to see how much resistance the cloak gives
dense plover
my guess is 20-30 max
uncut vault
I feel like this isnt exactly what magni wants in the heart chamber
zealous basalt
2 cows?
night swift
Lol one has the eye I just noticed
uncut vault
his title is "totally not corruptedby nzoth"
but I was more referring to the rampant void corrupted champions of azeroth
zealous basalt
Ah
Well
The champions of azeroth are murder-hobos with...sociopath issues
let them be children in spirits
deep pawn
Warms my heart seeing the anti rng and the pro titanforging people mad at corruption
cyan prairie
Ppl just like to cry. It seems like crying is a common hobby recently.
deep pawn
"this makes me miss titanforging"
It feels like they picked the one way to make it worse haha
They double downed on rng
cyan prairie
For me, as a Mythic raider the new system seems much more interesting. I was never mad at ppl getting some insane procs from casual content, but it might be just me since i usually have like 4-5 ilvl capped items from Raids/M+/PvP
The new system will require more planning on the corruption level balance
I like the N'zoth-Forging much more than the benthic gear
zealous basalt
Corruption
cyan prairie
Where a 425 item is better than 455
strange falcon
People currently are complaining about the many many layers that are present when considering even looking for a good corrupted item
deep pawn
I promise you a ring with your best affix and stats from normal will be better than a mythic ring with your best stats and no affix
Gets worse once sockets get involved
Cause they won't kill jewelcrafting
zealous basalt
I think there is no sockets
cyan prairie
Good, one less problem
deep pawn
Then that case socket wins
deep pawn
4% of a secondary is less than a socket
cyan prairie
Nah, socket giving a small stat boost instead of % one seems weaker
zealous basalt
4% of your total
deep pawn
7% crit damage is harder to quantify
cyan prairie
The % one will get stronger as you get better gear
deep pawn
I mean you need like 3k rating for the % to be stronger
cyan prairie
If you raid mythic you'll go for the corrupted gear
cyan prairie
Ah, yes
deep pawn
I'm saying raiders will hate this system in the end
Especially the, 'i have to have bis' ones
cyan prairie
No, we won't
zealous basalt
Again
Subjetivity
No matter what they put mythic raiders will just
push it through
Gotta respect those stubborn pieces of fuc
deep pawn
"I need to farm pearls on alts to funnel tokens to my main"
cyan prairie
If you raid mythic, you adapt, not complain
zealous basalt
Ye
deep pawn
Then stop trying to slow them down by punishing casuals and their alts
cyan prairie
I could write an essay about my Mythic G'huun complaint
lean yew
zealous basalt
I mean
It's not that bad
One week in an alt and you get high gear and enough essences
deep pawn
Like the essence grind is blizzard yet again trying to kill mythic raiders playing 5 chars
deep pawn
They keep trying to slow down world first guilds and it just doesn't stop them
cyan prairie
The best i did was raiding Mythic BoD on my retardin alt, after we cleared whole mythic
zealous basalt
hax
zealous basalt
Because it's too hot to handle
dab
But yeah
you don't usually switch mains when it's raiding time
deep pawn
No, they just have 3-5 classes ready to go for stacking
zealous basalt
Do they? @cyan prairie
deep pawn
Maybe not all of them, but the top guilds, yes
cyan prairie
I have like one alt over ilvl 415 xD
deep pawn
In fact the one guy that's resto only is considered weird
cyan prairie
Other ones are just 400 for Gold farming, because my guild has enough main team members
zealous basalt
I am not that okay from the head to actually get responsabilities of being the required times for raiding
And I kinda oofed of interest from Wow
deep pawn
Blizzard structures a lot of things around how method and limit might exploit or overdue things, to the detriment of others
zealous basalt
Burnout
cyan prairie
Ugh.. BoD... Had to be present all the time, because there was only one warrior main in our guild xD
zealous basalt
lol
cyan prairie
The greatest responsibility
zealous basalt
Yeah
cyan prairie
When raid got cancelled because you couldn't come
zealous basalt
I don't have that kind of responsability
Im a very ---
How do you say it
irresponsible? unresponsible? not responsable?
cyan prairie
Unpossible...
deep pawn
I don't raid cause my work schedule is random
zealous basalt
I do pugs for that
Normal to heroic
but usually i just end at the 5th boss on heroic
But
deep pawn
Yeah, that's just not satisfying for me
zealous basalt
Normals I usually do them all
One day and its over
Im surprised that guys are really skilled
deep pawn
I mean normal would be like lfr for me but easier
zealous basalt
faster*
cyan prairie
We have 3 raiding days for mythic and one for full Heroic weekly runs.
deep pawn
I just can't do it when one week I get off at 11pm and then the next I need to be in bed by 11pm cause I have to be up at 6am
cyan prairie
We have 4 mythic raids when we reach last boss, this is when we stop HC runs
zealous basalt
hax
I'd say that I'd love to be like method, working at doing raid runs
but then i remember
when it becomes a work it aint fun anymore
I remember Uldir mythic race...
Gods
cyan prairie
When the fun becomes work it isn't fun anymore
zealous basalt
those last hours
Everyone was like
"Limit PUT IT AT 0.4%
and method was still at 2%
deep pawn
Even mid tier mythic raiders that barely miss Hall of Fame are putting 200+ pulls in
cyan prairie
I rember when an alliance guild got the world first in BfA... Wait? Didn't happen?
deep pawn
I'll be taking a small break after blizzcon do to ff14's new patch
zealous basalt
I just hope limit take at least this final 1st world
deep pawn
Except like 30 minutes to keep working on najz meta
zealous basalt
Because it would be boring for method to archieve supremacy over all world 1st
I mean, das me
cyan prairie
They didn't get it in CoS
deep pawn
I've only been back for 5 weeks
cyan prairie
But it was due to them not even wanting to raid it
zealous basalt
ye
I did it in
like
wait no
I didn't do it either
mostly because it is not trial of valor
I tried a lot mythic trial of valor
deep pawn
I hope they don't nerf mecha gnomes for the alliance world first memes
cyan prairie
I killed Mythic Uu'nat after like... No? That didn't happen as well?
zealous basalt
ToV is better than CoS
cyan prairie
Helya having better or worse days...
zealous basalt
Me too
deep pawn
I went 36/36 on the mage tower
zealous basalt
The only artifact i didint get was monk healer
because I didn't know how to heal
tank was ez pz
same with dps
deep pawn
Monk was easier than hpriest
cyan prairie
I did 13 mage towers, because these were the only appearances i wanted
I miss the emotions of doing one, 30 minutes before the Mage Tower closing for the last time
cyan prairie
I did Unholy as the last one, because i had no DK on 110
deep pawn
Wasn't unholy one of the easy ones
cyan prairie
It was, but i had trash gear xD
deep pawn
Agatha right?
cyan prairie
Like really really trash
zealous basalt
Agatha was ez
deep pawn
You just used the potion and haste food
zealous basalt
it was all about those fockin rocks
deep pawn
Nothing like doing bear without the right legendaries
cyan prairie
Yeah xD
deep pawn
Woo, almost done gym, food and an hour of gaming after
deep pawn
I probably had sephuz
Definitely no balance legendaries
And now I don't even play bear
zealous basalt
guys
cyan prairie
Blood DK was the easiest one. Took me 3 tries just because Velen decided to "lol i'm gonna kill myself for fun" twice.
deep pawn
My druid is balance resto
deep pawn
Sorta
deep pawn
Let's go back to all the future vulpera dks
cyan prairie
When there are no ptr spoilers for some time then there is nothing to discuss
Ok so back to ptr stuff - any ideas on the new "challenge scenario" rewards
deep pawn
There's the void mount
cyan prairie
I would be disappointed if the reward from the challenge would be just rank 4 of the new essences...
zealous basalt
Horror visions
Master run
Complete a horror vision with all masks
And minimal of 70 corruption
deep pawn
It probably will be
sullen dawn
Quick update - if no trademark in 2 hrs jericho was lying
Razorpax came back and said he got most of his info from jericho
So watch out for new trademarks at 10am gmt/11am cet
lethal folio
Who is jericho?
sullen dawn
Guy who leaked legion
lethal folio
Ah ok
deep pawn
filing a trademark in some random country
lethal folio
And why today?
bitter horizon
What’s a trademark supposed to prove
deep pawn
the name
bitter horizon
Ah 🤔
bitter horizon
At 10am gmt?
round lake
Wasn't legion trademarked like just a few hrs before the reveal
uncut vault
BfA was as well
bitter horizon
Seems odd that they’d trademark anything today then lmao
sullen dawn
Yeh at this stage it's likely they were bullshitting/misinformed
I'm glad tbh - less chance of dragons :p
lethal folio
on which site you can see that they trademarked?
deep pawn
the mmo-c thread pointing out there's a Lich King sweater and a Diablo sweater on the store for blizzcon
Given the easy assumption we're getting D4 as one announcement, it would lend credence to any theory having the Lich King heavily inolved
I'd love a old world/northrend revamp
with a level squish and scaling they could literally have us level in any zones they choose
heck, could even make something like the plaguelands max level content again
That would certainly vanillify the game more
uncut vault
next xpac being death related is a pretty obvious shoe in for blizz
Sylvanas isnt on the blizzcon key art and given a bunch of merch for no reason
deep pawn
I mean I would not be upset if we levelled through parts of northrend and lordaeron
austere gazelle
I find it hard to believe in a dragon island expansion without shadowlands knowing we have sylvanas and bolvar on the move.
maybe blizzard is smart this time and is faking leaks
tropic trail
I can totalsy see Dragon Island being the new zones
while shadowlands will be a patch, like nya alotha
8.2 or 8.3
austere gazelle
maybe. Maybe dragon isle will be the main focus on the expack and sylvanas and such will be the " war campaign "
deep pawn
Either or
Or it's revamp and dragon isles are a small thing floating south of northrend like told barad
I'm personally hoping for revamp cause I'd love a level squish and new stories to level allied races through
weak bison
is it possible to copy all of the addon folders in retail file and paste them to the ptr?
cyan prairie
Shadowlands seem more important than Dragon Isles
unborn glacier
I actually like the idea that the dragon Isles are floating land masses which would basically give us a reason as to why they're so hard to find
cyan prairie
So it'd rather be Shadowlands expansion, with dragon Isles as a patch (like Nazjatar)
There is Just too much stuff going around death recently, and not enough around dragons
mystic heart
@weak bison what :D
how u start this? 😄
plain vigil
Just divide the timeways in half
bright mantle
Can you get Visions of Perfection from the new Heroic Mechagon dungeon?
Or is that limited to Mythic only?
lament fjord
that would be interesting to know
unborn glacier
Pretty sure Operation mechagon is mythic only
cyan prairie
There will be HC Mode
Just like KR and SotS got in 8.1
I doubt it will drop from HC tho, since the drop rate is 100% on Mythic.
bright mantle
Man, I really hope so, considering switching to Balance and I've had so much bad luck with groups for content that rewards 415 gear (like, most +7 groups failed, I abandoned my first Mechagon group when I found all 3 DPS did like 10K DPS on the first trash packs)
dense plover
I mean, I don’t see a reason it shouldn’t drop
If you have ptr you can log on and check the dungeon journal
bright mantle
I'm not at home, and I don't have the PTR installed
oak wraith
Seems not.
Heroic for King Mechagon shows this (filtered by my class):
Mythic shows this:
(and the boots from the Heroic list)
So in the current PTR, Heroic offers neither the unlock for Visions of Perfection, nor the upgrade item (also not the pet or blueprint).
dense plover
What’s the engine of mecha perfection?
oak wraith
The unlock item for Visions.
And this is the upgrade item, it looks like:
(haven't done Mechagon on live either, so going by the PTR dungeon journal)
dense plover
So it does allow it?
I’m confused
Oh
I see 2nd image is mythic
Doesn’t give blueprint either
I need to run it before 8.3 drops
oak wraith
Yeah, I was comparing. 1st is Heroic, second is Mythic, all captured from the PTR dungeon journal.
limber mural
That seems sensible
vernal juniper
be care this week on mmo champions and leaks
in the 3 past expansions we got everythime a legit leak on the "next expantion" before blizzcon.
usually the true leak were not very datailed, with a max of 10-12 rows
we got a correct leak for wod legion and bfa, I can try to search old links but It will take hours.. so 😛
storm marsh
I remember when we got some photos from blizzcon 2017 and there were lordareon crests
I mean hours before the event
Ppl speculated we're going back to time when arthas didnt become a LK 😂
vernal juniper
yep that too but we had in the past 3 expansions post from random users with legit leask about the expantion
with the new content
storm marsh
I guess mmo champion forum is interesting right now
But you can tell which one is fake 100%
I read "calia is going to show her true colors and release kel thuzad" yesterday 😂
vernal juniper
usually leaks were with max 10 rows with no story
only content of the exp
this one was a photo for legion
but was not the leak, another one for legion and bigger was true and posted earlier
dark furnace
This has to be the worst leak I have ever read
oak wraith
I suggest the Build-A-Leak Workshop! Build your own leaks! 😄
dense plover
Such nonsense
tranquil steeple
how to: fake 9.0 leak: tinkers (not saying they're not possible, just nearly always mentioned), detailed story, level squish (while likely in future, they really only recently talked about it (think it was 8.1 Q&A)) and faction merge/restriction removal
strange falcon
dont forget about cats with hats
ancient jasper
I'd kill for the whole Faction thing to go away. It should have ended after Legion where every single Class lead all the Races against the Legion. The BFA faction conflict was just.. ugh. It felt forced and stupid.
tranquil steeple
I can agree based on the fact that at this point only reason we have factions is for PvP, and even then you can go mercenary and fight for the enemy faction
atleast as far as BGs are concerned
unborn glacier
I really dislike the thought of factions going away.
cyan prairie
I dislike the removal of factions, but i would love to be able to play as any race on both sides.
worn crown
I love the idea of factions going away. For me it made no sense after Warcraft 3 to make the MMO based on "orcs vs humans" again.
It just make us get crappy stories like BFA forced"factions Wars"
I hope that at the very least we can play crossfaction in dungeons and raid with pvp off.
tropic trail
i dont like the idea of factions going away either..
it wouldnt make sense for a human to be in Org
tranquil steeple
Warcraft 3 -> WoW was "give players the option to explore the world we built in our RTS games, only now as an MMORPG", effectively
night swift
The factions have figured out that war isn’t getting them anywhere
ancient jasper
Besides closer to just all out death for everyone
uncut vault
it wouldnt make sense for a human to be in Org
uncut lintel
lol
uncut vault
Trust me Blizz already doesn’t care
ancient jasper
To be fair Genn has gotten a lot better over the course of BFA with his whole MURDER THEM ALL thing.
dull flame
a true worgen
tropic trail
Glen isn’t even that important
cyan prairie
Genn will get better when he dies
tropic trail
When I saw him at the bridge to go into ORG, I was like “why are you here”
Glens like the friend you say you’re busy too so you’d avoid seeing them outside of festive occasions.
ancient jasper
Because he backs Anduin? Unlike a certain Night Elf.
tropic trail
Glen is only there because he can’t take on anything by himself
terse patrol
@uncut vault Still say Highmountains should have been Alliance.
brave ingot
Glen?
ancient jasper
Genn
cyan prairie
Tbh if Genn was the alliance king in BfA, he would build a wall around Stormwind and just wait until it ends.
ancient jasper
They're probably intentionally misspelling it.
tropic trail
It’s my phone 🤷🏻♀️
tropic trail
Yeah, but I mean he’s honestly pretty useless when ever he tries to do something lol. Feel bad for the guy but he’s just not like-able
cyan prairie
HM Taurens sent an emissary to Ashenvale where he got killed by the primitive night elven barbarians.
ancient jasper
Uh.. When did that happen?
cyan prairie
Just after the recruitment
You can find him dead near the Ashenvale entrance from Barrens
ionic terrace
Glen Graymone
cyan prairie
Graymoan*
tranquil steeple
I imagine a bunch of Draenei Rangari were killed during WoD
cyan prairie
Weren't rangari the ones attacking the Frostwolves?
ionic terrace
It’s weird because the four first ally race emissary each mention going to some zone but only the hm one is found
pulsar iris
"gray"moan KappaPride
hasty elbow
D:
cyan prairie
But hey, he managed to survive the first 50 meters so still a nice score
terse patrol
to be fair tho, ashenvale isnt exactly safe. So while it was likely Night Elves, it could have been satyrs or something
cyan prairie
this is just next ot the Nelf camp
so i doubt it would be a Satyr attack
And there are aggressive Nelf NPCs all around that place
terse patrol
Anyways, if Blizzard wanted them to go Alliance, they would have put him next to a Horde camp or something.
idk, I just think HMs aren’t unique enough and would have fit better for the Alliance. The Tauren wouldn’t have joined under Sylvanas’ Horde, they joined under Thrall’s and stayed out of duty.
So idk why the HMs would look at Sylvanas and be like “that’s trustworthy.”
cyan prairie
They had no reason to join alliance - they just wanted to join others like them, so the Tauren tribes from Thunder Bluff were the best choice for them.
They didn't join the Horde, because of Sylvanas, but because of the other Tauren.
It's like most of the Legion Allied races worked.