i thought we killed him, my god xD it would be such a waste
#beta-ptr-spoilers
mystic heart
yea
22 00 CEST
dry plinth
mystic heart
@zealous basalt The first raid test for the upcoming Visions of N’Zoth content update will be conducted for those on the PTR this Friday at 13:00 GMT (22:00 CET)
tropic trail
Wow, it's morning there?
forest sphinx
7:09am
storm marsh
If they're making Bolvar a vilian next expansion, I think Taelia will join him
tropic trail
I doubt that. I think Taelia is supposed to become Anduins wife or something like that
limber mural
Vulpera druids would have been great, because bear with me
If you killed one you could be like
I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Star Fox
that's all I got
noble patrol
Nexus lord? Oh we HAVE to see ethereals next xpac.
strange falcon
nah,
blizz doesnt want any small races
getting druids
because they dont want to live in a world where "chibi" druid forms are an actual possibility
storm marsh
I seriously hope they add necromancers as next class
Island expeditions featured them and they have cool green spells
strange falcon
i mean
i will reiterate on this once again
adding necromancers would butcher too many classes,and too many spells
to do it,without it "Not" feeling like a necromancer
they had to steal the metamorphosis ability from warlock to make DH,they'd have to steal a lot of spells,from both unholy Dk,demo warlock,and other classes to make a necromancer
plus
most evidence points to tinkers being the most likely candidate as the 9.0 class,
but once again,it's blizzard,and they will do what they please with their game @storm marsh
storm marsh
Indeed
languid yoke
please no necromancers, D3 scarred me for life
dense plover
i like the D3 necromancer
strange falcon
theres also the other necromancers from previous diablo games
languid yoke
yes but d3 necromancer copying witch doctor instead of having a unique class like druid scarred me
so give me tinkers instead of something we already have in form of warlock and death knight
terse patrol
I can’t see Blizzard making a minion heavy class in WoW.
flint meteor
i dont know bout tinkers man
unless the xpac its somthing around mecha themes i dont see it happening
signal bone
I'd be fine with no necros if they made UH fun and cool looking
one of the most visually boring specs in the game, with a ton of potential. The only cool looking spell is Apoc
dense plover
I hard disagree - I find it cool. The visuals could use an upgrade tho
Like - it is definitely fun to play
I personally prefer blood because I prefer tanking, but unholy is my DK dps spec
unborn glacier
I LOVE the glyph that transforms your Army of the Dead into a mini LK rez party, summoning random undead instead of just ghouls
It really makes the spell and class so awesome
dense plover
Yeah it’s cool - tbh I think it should be the default
unborn glacier
^
dense plover
It is called army of the dead, not army of ghouls
unborn glacier
^^^
dense plover
Tbh I hope with 9.0 they do what they’ve talked about and go back to give classes AND specs more identity
We need more base class spells that exist across all specs, we need the talents that are too fun to be made baseline and replaced
IE full moon on balance Druid, Blackout Combo for Brewmaster, the Legion Artifact ability for Ret pally
Those should ALL be baseline
unborn glacier
also remove spec locking on artifact appearances
unborn glacier
I don't
dense plover
Those weapons are made for certain animation sets
And different specs have different sets
For example, some of the rogue animations would look very broken with the rapier instead of two daggers
The rapier is much longer
unborn glacier
I want to use the Thasdorah skin I spent 8 weeks of archeology to unlock
dense plover
I think it really depends
Some work some don’t
But they’ve been doing better with making transmog less restrictive
unborn glacier
I feel like they could really do well to make the skins class specific
If they intend on going back to class fantasy, not spec fantasy
I'm a Hunter. I spent the 8 weeks to unlock A Sisters Bond appearance for Thasdorah so I could complete my mog
Only for blizz to tell us just before BFA that they'd be spec locking appearances
storm marsh
I dont think necromancer should be a pet control class. I love the idea of casting green deathbolt and other dope spells
storm marsh
Unholy DK: Am I a joke to you?
unborn glacier
XD
uncut lintel
-cough- mage time healing spec -cough-
storm marsh
Earthwarden cough
unborn glacier
They could really give ppl craving Necromancers a compromise by overhauling UDK more reliant on cursing, plaguing and pet uptime
storm marsh
I once read "warriors should get a blood-based healing spec"
uncut lintel
LOL
unborn glacier
cough dark ranger cough
unborn glacier
Fuuu
unborn glacier
🤢
Void elf is garbage
So is alliance
Lemme be an undead elf dark ranger, Blizzard
strange falcon
^snek
storm marsh
Excuse me?! Void Elves master race
junior prairie
Sneks and High elves
!
unborn glacier
Ew
unborn glacier
Lol Helves are in the game already
uncut lintel
but yes on snek
strange falcon
you know there is a problem,when people start making memes of "World of Elfcraft"
uncut lintel
lmaoo
strange falcon
and they've started back midlegion and even earlier
unborn glacier
Because fantasy?
tropic trail
pls blizzcon, pls blizzard... dont let Tinkers be the next class 
uncut lintel
f a n t a s y
sounds right
the only motivation to play elf is when i watch the hobbit :((
strange falcon
what class would you rather have
tropic trail
they dont even deserve to be called elves
strange falcon
expose your argument
junior prairie
Helves are best, and sneks too, Helves and Sneks for life!
strange falcon
with straight facts
tropic trail
human with knive ears
uncut lintel
i mean
unborn glacier
@junior prairie Helves are in the game
uncut lintel
uhm
strange falcon
we know they are in the game,but they have been denied every single opportunity
they're a cu***ing championship
unborn glacier
Play Horde or Velf
uncut lintel
Horde is best
strange falcon
horde true faction e.e
junior prairie
@unborn glacier I can't see any helves, I only see belves and velves.. oh you mean those vanilla elves that are still Alliance from vanilla, yeah I want them
unborn glacier
@junior prairie Belves are Helves. Time to accept this
uncut lintel
Idk if my memory is good but dont Helves have blue eyes, so cant they make Helves option for belfs like they did with golden eyes?
storm marsh
Are Rajani a faction for both horde & alliance in 8.3?
junior prairie
no Helves are belves, but belves not helves.
Two distinct races now, get over us having Vereesa and Alleria and tun of helf lore characters
unborn glacier
Lmao
Literally the only difference is rebranding after Arthas slaughtered them
They are legit the same race.
uncut lintel
Oh no
unborn glacier
Accept this.
vast remnant
San'layn or High Elves 🙏🏻
junior prairie
let's see... Vereesa and Silver covenant... oh enemy to horde... Alleria and her rangers from outland...oh enemy of the horde...
Dalaran high elves...oh what's this ENEMY OF THE HORDE
Thunder isles.. might of heard of that..helves v belves.
or should I remind you of the purge of dala.. hmm
unborn glacier
I'd love to play a Sanlayn
strange falcon
san'layn have no story relevancy
uncut lintel
Wait whats a Sanlayn O_O
strange falcon
at this point we might as well get tuskarr
uncut lintel
Someone link me a pic
strange falcon
if sanlayn make it in
junior prairie
@unborn glacier accept your horde belves are a lore travistey meant on fixing horde player base :p
strange falcon
@uncut lintel the vampire elves from ICC
austere gazelle
they won't make an expack around arthas/lich king bolvar, but around death and the shadowlands, arthas && the LK will sure be involved. Vol'jin, mumuzela too, and more importantly, Helya and sylvanas
tropic trail
Yogg will be probably also present, somehow
zealous basalt
Where I can learn about this mueh'zala or father of dead
feral belfry
So with the Lich King stuff. Do you think it's possible more linkage to the Shadowlands idea for the next expansion? I heard people saying they would not add new DK's as their not needed. But if your fighting say the other existence the dead one or whatever I could see the need of a new army. I think I also heard the Lich King was going be part of that plot... Not sure how valid the idea was though.
wise crest
limber mural
I mean we all conveniently forgot how the Ebon Blade committed multiple atrocities against almost all factions on the field in legion
zealous basalt
hmm
forest sphinx
You guys see the video I'm seeing of the raid?
forest sphinx
ancient jasper
Yea in the most recent PTR build it looks like they shrunk every Cape on Vulpera to not go past the tail. I'm guessing they just didn't want to bother with trying to fix the clipping on it.
forest sphinx
Who is testing today?
sour burrow
Where is it supposed to be physically located?
languid yoke
I completely forgot because I thought I would be raiding on live but we finished early
oops
sour burrow
As far as Vulpera capes go, looking at wowhead's dressing room with old animations vs new animations on long capes, it ends up feeling more like the animations for the capes are unfinished on a lot of the newer ones. There's a pretty distinct ( shape on the good animations / old animations, but a lot of the new animations are just | at the end of the cape and it flops around more.
sour burrow
Compare Train, Work, or Kneel to say, Roar or Bow. The cape slot's 'quality' seems much worse on the animation.
zealous basalt
zealous basalt
Fight is like
idk reminds me of nythendra
I have to say
having the taunt ring in a boss fight
is bad
languid yoke
llul
zealous basalt
I get killed by melee when i get to 20%
because it procs the taunt and it procs the mechagnome racial of healing
then it taunts again
so it goes like
hit>taunt>almost death>heal>taunt>rekt
Interesting
The Spark of inspiration and the formless void have quite the synergy
Spark's major effect last the same as Void's minor buff
With those two you literally become a booster kek
ancient jasper
So do we think Blizzard will ever add normal Races again or stick with Allied Races from here on out?
night swift
Allied races are just a bfa feature
The whole point of them is to be just reskin/nicer base races
night swift
They could turn it into just “new original races are now allied races”
dark furnace
Yeah, but people would probably not like having to unlock them
night swift
Probably not
median monolith
does somebody know if vale of eternal blossoms got a visual revamp? it seems like the entire zone is in BFA-style resolution
dark furnace
If they were completely new races
Imagine having to grind to unlock for example Ethereals or Ogres instead of just having them on launch
night swift
They could just be making ARs more unique like mechagnomes
dark furnace
The questchain would be fine, but probably not rep grinding for them
median monolith
true. i don't think people realize how impressive the mechagnome mechanical limb rigs are
median monolith
yup
night swift
They’re both the most unique, but also the least interesting ARs
Design wise unique, least interesting lore wise
median monolith
idk, i find the whole idea of them being forced to replace their parts to undo yogg's corruption pretty interesting
night swift
Yeah but other than that, they’re just normal ass gnomes
Which I guess fits most of the other ARs
Void elves were just belves that learned to control the void
Highmountain are tauren with antlers because of Huln’s heritage
Nightborne are just nelfs that were changed by the nightwell
dense plover
its just the render tech has changed
dense plover
it looks better than it did because the game physically looks better now
also the new assets scattered as part of the invasions help
median monolith
for sure
uncut vault
theres no phasing between still, so theyre probably changing the quests back
dense plover
i mean, its pretty early to know
i hope they make it so you level in the old version, and if you complete the pandaria stuff it goes to the sha version, then in BfA, back to before
ancient jasper
While I can agree that Mechagnomes are unique it saddens me how many Transmog options they lose to gain that uniqueness.
night swift
And somehow there are people losing it in excitement over that
That their heritage armor is half a helmet, shoulders, a chestpiece with no arms, a belt, and a cloak
And its just the armor you see npcs in mechagon wear
ancient jasper
Yep
plain vigil
uncut vault
you find a way to enter it? I cant
ionic terrace
Nope
I think it’s not supposed to be there tbh
Didn’t the change the map name to Prototype or something
uncut vault
he's staying a normal gnome, but Im making a mechagnome mage for RP
RPing him as a full on mechagnome who serves MOTHER
night swift
Oh damn I like it
If AR dks do actually happen I’m either making a kul tiran or a maghar
Or maybe both since I already have a dk at 120 and the KT armor lol
calm plank
I think a zandalari death knight could be pretty cool
night swift
If I had them unlocked a follower of bwonsomdi dk would be interesting
KT would be rezzed, be super freaked out by undeath, and turn to calia and derek for guidance
Probably come up with the title like “Scourge from the Seas”
calm plank
It'd be cool if blizz made new customization options for both new and old death knights
night swift
There’ll be more skin tones for sure
calm plank
Like how demon hunters got all sorts of cool stuff
calm plank
Ye but I want moar
night swift
Unless blizz revamp dk looks to be in line with dh options I don’t see much beyond skin and hair colors
calm plank
I'd say some new features that makes them more scourg-y
Maybe some stitches or something
uncut vault
eye color options would go a long way to make them feel more fleshed out
choose between blue, green, and red
and maybe give them actual magical eyes like what DHs have, instead of blue orbs
zealous basalt
I mean
When I saw the lk trailer and I was told that dks were available
I thought the lichfire eyes would be
You knl
Kno*
tropic trail
@uncut vault "I am the supreme patriarch."
limber mural
Do we know what the Vulpera bag of tricks racial actually does yet?
languid yoke
no
tropic trail
@stiff vector hey, is it possible for you to see in the WC3 reforged beta client the new Character models?
stiff vector
theoretically yes
but i'm not going that far
you'll have to wait for someone to leak that if its in there
tropic trail
Yea thats ok, but you can see it.
stiff vector
i personally can't because i have no w3 tools whatsoever
but i hear there's some stuff in there
tropic trail
maybe you just gonna check it out and just tell us if the models look good ? 👀
ah ok
signal bone
speaking of sizing on the select screens, when did the death knight ones become so small?
or were they always like that?
dense plover
dont think there have been any changes recently
sullen dawn
yeh they've also had weird scales VS the normal screens
obtuse vine
Look who is chilling outside Icecrown
uncut lintel
OHHHHHH
flint meteor
LOL
flint meteor
since when did he got there
tropic trail
I think since 8,1 or something
flint meteor
when they introduced the visit lich king thing?
tropic trail
I remember many ppl posted it back then on reddit
plush harbor
Sylvanas where is?
tranquil steeple
unknown
tropic trail
oh wrong channel
uncut lintel
lol
night swift
Rani’s the local furry
night swift
Oh yeah right
modest temple
A little part of me is hoping that bolvars carrion bird picking of the dead of the 4th war (the new races) means he needs help with something back up north. Going down into Azol Nerub to poke around and maybe finish off another old god, since we did so well on this one, would be cool. I also think having these lines about defeating Nzoth are tricks... by Nzoth. Like some mind illusion on the ppl who beat him get. Then sometime before the weekly reset some new quest or hint pops up revealing its all a vision he made just so we would leave him alone and that we never stopped him. Then we have to go back the with next reset and fight a new secret phase for the true ending.
Or hope... I don't expect it will be true.
austere gazelle
tbh I reread the first shadowlands leak and they nailed some part, which could be obvious
like saurfang dead before 9.0 etc
The plot in itself seems weird, since we juste defeated nzoth they'd turn to the shadowlands to farm souls and Sylvanas was just there to prevent them the whole time?
uncut lintel
Stronk no
uncut lintel
I cant see it lol
unborn glacier
I REALLY hate the idea of the Lich King being a good guy, tbh
spare glacier
I really hope all this DK news is true!
ancient jasper
You and me both.
white quartz
I dislike the idea of the Lich King being a good guy as well however Id be more willing to accept that if it ends up Talia brings out the last good piece of Bolvar left but its only temporary
ancient jasper
At this point I'd say Bolvar is FAR more than just a normal Lich King.
white quartz
Yeah for sure. Im very interested if in an AU Jaina would have ever been able to get Arthas to break the Lich Kings power. Its cool
unborn glacier
I want Ner'zhul to have taken control
calm plank
I just noticed something
the map for gilneas city is missing
so there might be some permanent changes to the area incoming
agile token
Where is it missing
calm plank
agile token
Oh
calm plank
(note that it's also not translated in my language)
calm plank
yeah
hhmmmmm
I still can see the ruins of gilneas
so that means that this "gilneas city" map is a map for a new zone
agile token
Exactly
calm plank
maybe we'll finally get a renovated gilneas
calm plank
wasn't it blighted?
agile token
Not quite
uncut vault
It’s status changes with every appearance
agile token
But yes
uncut vault
We do not know, really
calm plank
it's blighted when it's convenient
agile token
The blight attacks were stopped during worgen leveling etc
As sylvanas won
And we destroyed the entire plague thingies
calm plank
Imagine invading a whole territory and then never use it ever again
agile token
Reminder
The stormheim cinematic made BFA's direction for sylvanas
Sylvanas basically lost control over lordaeron etc when genn stopped her
And I'm surprised we didn't take gilneas sooner
calm plank
I guess they were all busy
agile token
I wanted genn to go to gilneas
And tyrande to darkshore
Not genn also going to darkshore
It was the perfect time
But no
dense plover
the map is used for the worgen scenario
my guess is some file issues are the reason its broken
tropic trail
question for Vulpera do i need to be exalted on the character that i would do the quest to unlock them? or if i have the exalted achievement can i unlock them? just want to know
tropic trail
like on any character?
dense plover
same faction, 120
tbh that question doesnt make much sense - its not like nightborne or highmountain
you can only get the rep on horde
and you need a horde character
tropic trail
okaaay so i switched my ally to horde and got the rep achivements a few months ago and then switched back to ally
dense plover
you still need a horde character
tropic trail
so i can do it on my alt horde?
tropic trail
cool
dense plover
same with mechagnomes
if ive completed the rep on horde, as long as I have a 120 alliance, i can unlocked them
dense plover
so, nobbel put out a video on 8.3
nzoth left the dagger behind on purpose
which azshara wanted to use to destroy nzoth
but if nzoth knew it could kill him, then he wouldnt leave the dagger
so.... what are the chances that by "taking care" of nzoth, we go to the shadowlands or something, and while there, nzoth goes buckwild, and old god expac is 10.0
like - if nzoth knew about the dangers of the dagger, he wouldnt hold on to it and let sylvanas have it if it didnt benefit him
nzoth is always like, 5 steps ahead of us
i feel like there is a key moment here that we just dont know in regards to nzoth's actions
and its not as simple as nzoth being killed and thats it
foggy abyss
N'zoth is defeated at the end of 8.3 I mean we've seen the dialogues
craggy nexus
Defeated doesn't mean dead.
dense plover
^
this is my big thought
why would he purposefully give a dagger to someone who was going to use it against him if it didnt benefit him?
foggy abyss
I know
I said defeated
He can't go buckwild if he's defeated
But I do agree with you
dense plover
what im saying is - isnt this defeated thing all part of his plan?
we stick him in the dagger, he somehow benefits from that?
we think he is defeated, so we move on to a different threat
etc etc
calm plank
that would be nice
foggy abyss
I've thought about it too
dense plover
its the only thing that makes sense
this is clearly the end they had in mind from the start
calm plank
I think he's supposed to be the smartest of the old gods
dense plover
by far
dense plover
yeah
calm plank
I really hope blizz won't throw him away
dense plover
i could see them doing it as like - during 9.0 he isnt there, but like - he is doing stuff
calm plank
also cause I wanna see more of that ny'alotha look
actually
he could be back right for 9.0
he just makes us all think that he's dead
so he can stay in the shadows
cause that's obviously where he's more efficient
dense plover
well, the issue is that since we are fighting nzoth in 8.3, 9.0 cant be nzoth
otherwise we know the outcome of the raid
because theyre gonna focus on 9.0 at blizzcon
calm plank
oh yeah I forgot about blizzcon
dense plover
unless they decide to show the raid cutscene at blizzcon and throw caution to the wind
it all depends
calm plank
who knows
dense plover
blizzcon will spell out the future
calm plank
I just really hope to see more of my boy n'zoth
actually there's one thing that gives me hope to that
Il'gynoth
there's a ton of whispers that haven't been explained
and even more whispers coming in the next raid
speaking of that god damn do I love Il'gynoth's voice
craggy nexus
Some of the whispers have "changed" too.
calm plank
really?
craggy nexus
That is what I have read and heard.
I don't know if it is changed or if it is new predictions.
calm plank
I'd have to look that up then
didn't even listen to all of the new whispers
also is there any hint of the gift of n'zoth doing anything interesting
cause I finally got around to get it and I wanna know if it's worth keeping
craggy nexus
I mean these are things that Pyromancer and T&E have said, if you listen to the things they say. I like to hear all the sides and the information and interpretations to help me understand things. Then I read some stuff that looks like they could be changing some of the whispers.
Right now it is just datamined information and we don't really know.
flint meteor
I wonder what they will do with azhara now, clearly she planned to backstab nzoth
calm plank
I think there's some voice lines where she tells us that xal is n'zoth weakness
flint meteor
Thats what i meant
Aftter ll this nzoth thing
Would she side with us or just do her own thing
calm plank
I doubt she'd side with us
the only way she would side with us is if we can benefit her
modest temple
What if he wants us to defeat him in a certain way. Idk, whats the timetable here? He has all these potential really bad futures we invade, he has this parallel reality overlaps upon our own but it all seems contained still. The black empire reality is only in a portal, its not on our world. These visions are what he wants but it doesn't seem like, if we don't enter and cleanse his idea, it will suddenly become real. It feel like hes just poking out saying "boo. these are my ideas on how the world should be." but no follow through. It just doesn't feel like he has a legitimate way to make his visions real in say the next 90 days or some other specific timeline. It all feels like a scare tactic.
calm plank
I think us going into the visions is just an attempt at strenghthening ourselves
modest temple
Like if he gets his hands on the reorigination machine maybe he can remake the world in his image?
calm plank
but n'zoth is targeting two very important places with his invasions
modest temple
Two places our people would care about and wouldnt want to see hurt, to drive us to challenge him? What are we "Worthy" of?
calm plank
if I remember correctly the titanic constructs in the mogu shan vaults are being used to recalibrate the reorigination machine during 8.3
modest temple
i thought we were doing that to stop him but not kill us?
calm plank
the idea being that we could use it against n'zoth specifically instead of wiping the whole planet
ye
but n'zoth would probably be very interested in doing that but reverse
use the reorigination machine to wipe out all of the main capitals
modest temple
yeah but ... i dont feel the threat he is causing. its not immediate its like... maybe itll be like this in a hundred years if we dont stop it
this doesnt feel as dire as it should be?
calm plank
to me it feels like the invasions are a very immediate danger
modest temple
monsters running around, ok yeah.
white quartz
I think 8.3 Blizz does need to give everyone a sense of urgency around N’zoth. But overall we need to lose against him. Maybe not in the raid but this is the smartest of the old gods. He’s gotta have back up plans and such
calm plank
yeah
I think what's gonna happen is that he's gonna make us think we won
so we stop focusing on him
and he goes back to being sneaky
flint meteor
Except we kill him inside nyalotha
calm plank
how do we know for sure?
the titans refused to kill the old gods because of the damage it would do to azeroth
white quartz
Like I will be mighty pissed if we just beat him and that’s it. Especially considering the buildup. We “kill” him but I have a distinct feeling that’s BS and it’s a red herring
flint meteor
Idk man i dont think we will see him again, but the other old gods sure
terse patrol
I think we trap him in the dagger.
calm plank
we've yet to get a confirmed kill on any old god
modest temple
He might just use "dig" and pretend to die so we walk away, all the while he hides in his phantom realm and comes back in a few years with the real punch
calm plank
except y'shaarj's heart I guess?
white quartz
I think regardless if we kill him or not it’s going to end very poorly for everyone after.
calm plank
I really hope not tbh
modest temple
i thought we exhausted Cthuns essence when we killed the chogall and it worked again when garrosh burned ysharjs power dry when fighting us
flint meteor
But again
flint meteor
Since they said defeat he could be aswell trapped in the black
Thats an option
Blade
calm plank
possible too
white quartz
I really really think people are being fooled by loads of red herrings in the ptr datamines. I’ve got a feeling there’s ALOT Blizz is doing to hide what’s gonna happen. Especially considering why would they put N’zoths “death” unencrypted on the ptr yet encrypt other stuff like Mr.Bolvars stuff
calm plank
we're gonna get knifu waifu except with a much deeper voice
calm plank
honestly I'd love it if blizz willingly put those "we killed n'zoth" voice lines to trick us all
white quartz
It’s what I think happened
calm plank
cause like
modest temple
i think nzoth did
white quartz
That or it could be a vision. It could be a false sense that we won. It could be a lot
flint meteor
Well bolvar seems kinda obvious
calm plank
they encrypted 8.2.5 so hard
modest temple
they did
modest temple
new dks make sense with these fresh bodies from the 4th war to pick over
flint meteor
It we ever go to the shadowlands
modest temple
since they are all members of the races involved
modest temple
shadowlands is like the emerald dream and i feel like they will treat it with the same distance they have treated the ed with
white quartz
I was really sure we were going to shadowlands. At least before Bolvar started to have increased activity and got himself some excerpted stuff
flint meteor
I still think we going there on new xpac
modest temple
we go there everytime we die
flint meteor
Its just a matter of time
white quartz
Sylvanas is gonna end up having been working for Muehzela
That or some other major entity we haven’t seen
modest temple
something mentioned in a kids book seems like a pull for a big villain
would be a good excuse for a darkranger class tho
shadowlands that is
flint meteor
I woudnt be surprised if they embraced this "thin veil" concept like with nyalotha , instead of just giving you know... Another zone with several areas
modest temple
new idea... we kill nzoth but that giant body we can see on some nazjatar maps floats to the surface as a corpse, a new land
dense plover
uh no
that whole nzoth zone is clearly not happening
it was a concept map
totally unfinished
white quartz
Even if it does happen it will probably be VERY different from the original concepts
agile token
One thing that's not clear
We're facing an old God outside of his prison
What's the power level here
How are we gonna reprison the guy
dense plover
well
we arent even attacking him in the material plane
we literally go into nyalotha in an attempt to weaken it
we are fighting an avatar
white quartz
Yeah and the Avatar is friggin humongous
agile token
^^
What I'm mostly wondering are the combat animations for blademasters and such
They were satisfying
dense plover
^
yes
but also theyre adding stuff so people can make custom missions
im excited to see people recreate WC 1 and 2 stuff or things like the battle for theramore
uncut vault
seems to be more than enough models to recreate WC2 siege of quelthalas
including Guldan
dense plover
also enough to recreate some of the removed WoW scenarios
i think it would be awesome if blizz added them
like battle for theramore, battle of undercity from wrath, etc
calm plank
that would be cool af
inner copper
Any new juicy news?
long blade
rumor that vulpera might get druids
I dont believe it tho but its because their intro quest is no in the ptr
daring dune
They already have a lot of classes
long blade
I know, im just telling you what i heard
long blade
2
inner copper
One allied race that can be druid*
@long blade
Vulpera as Druids would make 3 allied races who can be druid for horde
long blade
Yea i know.
He/she didnt word it right
but its actually 3 races on alliance and 4 on horde
chrome void
Don’t mind the dark ranger standing there or anything 💀
sry for terrible pic quality
sullen dawn
mechagnome druids would be cooler
inner copper
there's no reason for mechagnomes to be druids
the druids are already trying to save the echosystem of mechagon cause it has gone to shit, i think they might be pissed at them for that
uncut vault
if kul tiran druids show anything, its that they dont need to be anything similar to cenarion druidism to work
synthesized mechanical druids would be very interesting
limber mural
You can spin guardian and feral well enough but you can't explain away balance and restoration
shapeshifting and attunement is one thing, nature magic is another
the only way you could spin it is some wild god notices they've tried and blesses them
calm garden
its interesting that they added voice lines for deathwing in 8.3
uncut vault
spinning balance and resto is just as easy and the shapeshifting specs, easier even. Like I said, synthesized magic, mechagnomes have already talked about synthesizing the elements, solar energy and nature magic isnt any more of a stretch than that
That said, I support mechagnome shamans or paladins over druids for a movement, just because it will be easier for blizzard to implement them in the time thye have
long blade
probably old memories or some stuff
calm garden
well he mentions nzoth soo i think its part of the encounter like A vision that gets summoned
modest temple
That dark ranger in SM quest chain never popped up did it? Now we have some Emerald Grove killer and wasnt there a hearthstone inn map script or something. Where be this interesting stuff. =/
dense plover
theres a hearthstone tavern, yes
that one will almost definitely show up eventually
its too detailed
the model is crazy
like - crazy detailed
no way they dont use it
theres a side room too
and a library
craggy nexus
Yay, back to garrisons. I can spend another expansion inside a building and level and everything.
signal bone
could be player housing, like a HS building for your plot
signal bone
let a man dream
tropic trail
Blizzard World incoming in WoW?
zealous basalt
Why would you diss my dark moon Faire
restive pasture
Jeez, why can't more taverns be detailed like that
Hope they end up putting it in
calm plank
I'd love it if we could get a rework of the main capitals
also if they could find a way to bring life to all the other cities that'd be nice too
restive pasture
Yeah
Imagine if Stormwind and Orgrimmar were the same size as Boralus or Suramar
restive pasture
(they could also finally kick player housing our way with all that free space)
calm plank
YES
tropic trail
Too early to say they tried player housing? Maybe they've made it better by now though!
restive pasture
I read something somewhere a few months back that player housing still gets brought up by devs
And I don't really consider Garrison's to be player housing , those were technically military bases for your faction
tropic trail
Yeah but unless you invited people, it was a cut corner of world for you and NPCs
restive pasture
Mhmm
dense plover
the problem with player housing is its complicated
you dont want to do what ffxiv does
the economy in wow doesnt support that
but you also dont want to make it expansion specific - so you either have to introduce it as a base game feature - something they dont tend to do, or they have to continually support it
think of a single expac feature that has received continual support after the expac, because I cant
feral belfry
@dense plover That model is awesome. The way they doing buildings like that and such is just a single baked model? So I guess if they make a change to it they have to send the entire model again?
dense plover
no
its a bunch of models then baked together
someone had to build a lot of this asset by asset
but it can reference the individual assets, so its really more like a single piece model that tells the textures for the assets where they belong
feral belfry
Ohh I see so they can change say 1 asset within and not have to send the entire bake again? sort like a file that tells all the coords, etc of each object?
feral belfry
ahh ok
dense plover
but it would change all of the items with that texture
like for example, the paintings in the side room arent unique
so they could change that texture, but all paintings that use it would change
dense plover
nah that would have to be rebaked
probably would require a patch, couldnt be done in hotfixes
feral belfry
does it show the size of the model? without textures?
feral belfry
I mean file size 🙂
feral belfry
ahh ok
dense plover
theyre in a file
and then you call the model name
which calls the assets and such
feral belfry
yeah
I was just interested in the model size triangles, etc lol
I dabbled with game dev stuff before so I was just interested if it had a error in it if blizzard bother fixing it normally or because of its size they might not bother at times. I guess if they wanted to add something inside they can do it separate even live these days.
dense plover
its a single baked asset - usually that gets done when they decide its finished
and its not out in the world
considering it has no exterior, you probably teleport in
feral belfry
Ohh interesting
I guess this could be another question
I saw the maps and their tile grids
I know they bake the models and such in the terrain as well from what I seen
So I guess if they do an update they do an entire grid I guess?
dense plover
generally
feral belfry
Cool
storm marsh
Wait... does anyone have a clue what will be the mount reward from beating nzoth in heroic ? Like the moose & kirin tor bird mounts
dense plover
no
thats usually added pretty late into the builds
my guess is either that weird nzoth worm (might be the mythic mount instead)
limber mural
i'd be surprised
dense plover
in which case, itll probably somehow tie into the next expac in some way
so we might not know until post-blizzcon
limber mural
considering that's just the same skeleton as the regular serpents
usually they push the boat out
dense plover
yeah thats why I think its the mythic mount
limber mural
no that what *I
derp
that's what I mean
mythic mounts are usually more effort than that is
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
its tagged as PH
so the model might see serious revisions
or it might mean the source is PH
silk cape
new build today?
signal bone
is it really a reskin? I thought I looked at it in the viewer and it has unique animations the other wyrms don't have
ok nm it is
yeah I bet that's the n'zoth mount
silk cape
I want new story sylvanas etc....cant wait much longer until blizzcon. 😄
sullen dawn
Shadowlands or northrend
tropic trail
obviously she did not joined Nzoth
sullen dawn
She wouldn't join nzoth. She seems to look down on him actually
Did we find out what that chamber of the heart elevator was about btw?
tropic trail
shes probably preparing to unleash the "darkness" over Azeroth, revealed in the blizzcon Cinematic
sullen dawn
Itd be so cool to go down it and see the real 'heart of azeroth'
I.e big glowing egg/ball of energy/azeritr
proven dragon
I'm super pumped for blizzcon, there's been numerous quotes from people at blizzard that has stated that what they have in store for blizzcon is going to be pretty epic
austere gazelle
what is this blizzcon cinematic?
proven dragon
the blizzcon cinematic basically is what blizzard does that reveals mostly commonly the next expansion, they call it the blizzcon cinematic because it's revealed at blizzcon, but it's essentially the xpac reveal cinematic
tropic trail
blizzcon cinematic is going to be the new xpac Trailer
austere gazelle
ah I thought there was a cinematic for the blizzcon event released with fragment of cinematic from various game and sylvanas bit inside it
proven dragon
oh okay
tropic trail
Sylvanas will be featered in the new xpac Trailer
signal bone
are we talking about a trailer or a cinematic?
I'm more hyped for the features trailer
the cinematics are always cool tho
signal bone
no, different trailer
sullen dawn
The last thing we hear in the cinematic is jaina whispering "....Arthas....?"
signal bone
I'd prefer another montage cinematic
last one we had was cata
rather than focused on a real event
sullen dawn
As hyped as I am for cinematic features trailer is actually more important this year j think
sullen dawn
As some of the following need to take place: 1) class reworks, 2) faction merge or new faction system, 3) level squish, 4) itemization/progression rework
God damn foxes
signal bone
I very much doubt we're getting reworks
idk why people think this
legion was the rework expac
ionic terrace
Lol you even get a lua error when you unsheathe
signal bone
I don't think people hate the core gameplay, they hate the shallowness of what we have
sullen dawn
Only fun one atm imo is outlaw
signal bone
blizz will just make the current specs more in depth
sullen dawn
That's fine
signal bone
the whole point of legion was to build out a base for every spec
sullen dawn
I do mean completely start again with classes
signal bone
a rework implies removing and replacing that base
sullen dawn
*dont
I just mean dramatically evolving the choices we get in terms of playstyles
More builds and options per spec
signal bone
I would expect a new talent row, a new max level ability and maybe a new artifact / rental system
sullen dawn
Plz no rentals
sullen dawn
I don't mind a side progression system they're cool
signal bone
I don't think they are going away any time soon
sullen dawn
I just wanna keep it next expansion
signal bone
just give me a better progression than HoA, it was such a step down from Legion
signal bone
top 5 things I want are:
- Player housing
- Tanking rehaul
- Island AI expanded to open world
- Mage Tower-esque solo stuff for unique armor / weapons / cosmetics
- New Class
yeah that would be cool, but I don't think it's likely
this isn't PoE
WoW has never and will never be that complex, but it would be cool
sullen dawn
They could find a middle ground
signal bone
also I want them to apply legacy loot to all previous expacs
I hate the 11 levels rule
so dumb and arbitrary
agile token
Personally I don't see the interest in player housing
sullen dawn
Yeh I'd rather they focused on non instanced socializing
Rather than more phasing
Make the world more sandboxy
signal bone
this is an MMORPG, player housing should have been in since day one. Concerns about the social aspect are unfounded, since these can easily be remedied by certain mechanics
sullen dawn
Yep like killing phasing
tropic trail
Player Housing is the best thing that could happen to Professions
sullen dawn
I dont mind housing if they're non instanced with limited amounts of plots
But siegable guild keeps would be cooler
sullen dawn
Yeh
signal bone
that you can build and customize
sullen dawn
I think it's a better idea if it's a guild thing
signal bone
not sure how viable they would be if they weren't instanced
sullen dawn
I guess wow has really married the isntancing thing
Dont get me wrong it's awesome for dungeons n raids etc..
night swift
They could take a note from final fantasy and make like a neighborhood of homes
sullen dawn
I just wish open world was open world
night swift
Although final fantasy’s housing is ass when actually trying to buy a house
sullen dawn
ultima online had the best system :o
flint meteor
i could totally see hs tavern stuff as a presentation to an housing system
sullen dawn
I used to rob peoples houses in that game all the time :D
And bury the stolen stuff out of town
signal bone
I just want some sort of alternative progression system that isn't based strictly on player power
tropic trail
Im glad WoW isnt a Sanbox game. Sanbox MMORPGs are a bunch of shitty trash games with low effort features
sullen dawn
Yeh titled but that not BECAUSE they're sandbox,
tropic trail
themark MMOs that bring al 3 months new content (like wow does) are 10x better then shitty Sanbox MMOs
sullen dawn
It's because all the teams who have tried in last 10 years are basically scans
*scama
Sandbox used to be awesome back in the day
Now only fake companies make them
That doesn't mean sandbox features are bad
signal bone
eh wow needs to embrace the sandbox stuff more imo
tropic trail
Well it kinda is because they are sanbox
signal bone
it's really the only model for non-instanced content
tropic trail
the resources are going into sanbox features
sullen dawn
No it's because they try to make an mmo with half a million dollars lol
signal bone
and instanced content like raids and dungeons have been pretty much on rails for years now
sullen dawn
Which is never gonna happen
tropic trail
the companys dont have the people or the money to focus at the same time on new content, themepark content
sullen dawn
Dont get me wrong wow should be 70% themepark
But it could do well to introduce some sandbox elements
It adds a lot of replay ability for low effort
signal bone
they have, they just haven't been very good
night swift
Low effort?
sullen dawn
What I mean jhock is that a sandbox feature done well can last for years and years
tropic trail
Oh yea totaly, I would love to see some Sanbox features like Housing. But thats it. WoW should always stay Themepark
sullen dawn
Quarterly content is irrelevant after consumption
Just saying the development/replayability ratio is worth the investment
tropic trail
new Quarterly content is much more worth then Sanbox content, that is always the same but can be played for years
dense plover
replayability isnt neccesary in an mmo
and it doesnt wwork
you already are hitting the limit with patch content
try and tell me mechagon would be fun if it continued to be relevant for 2 more years
you cant, because it wouldnt
night swift
There are people who already did all there is to do there
Plus WoW is so big that if they were to add relevance back to old xpac content then we’d be overloaded
night swift
Need I remind people of garrisons
night swift
They filled a role like homes though
pulsar iris
what was wrong with garrisons
tropic trail
You had mini decor
That was kinda stupid tbh
the problem about Garrisons was that they were a game feature
Housing shoulb be just something like Transmog
But I’m talking about actual housing that would be huge they have the power and skill to do it
not game relevant
As a hero of the world we should get a house
Can’t even pay us enough to get us a house cheap magni
pulsar iris
adventurers with a home
tropic trail
“Yu got to save the world champion! For free!”
pulsar iris
well our adventures actually made us pretty damn rich
tropic trail
Tbh they could do a lot more to the game then they have right now for players. Like the archeology system and rewards is kinda meh
pulsar iris
all professions are meh and should be redone
tropic trail
Best thing was the mounts but even then it’s kinda lack luster like the rest of the professions. Like if they implemented housing and reworked professions my god
They could also simply make dying gear.
Like I would LOVE BLACK god damn pants.
night swift
I do wish we had transmogs that werent always armor
tropic trail
Yeah I like the idea of the lunar helms this year too it’s a start in a good direction.
Also necklaces show when?
oak wraith
Hm, just noticed there will be a scheduled maintenance (in the EU) on Friday the 18th. odd moment?
tropic trail
So I heard there’s a really good dps new essence, I was watching it on YouTube, I hope it stays that hood on ptr 😂
white quartz
Whats up
dense plover
theres a gazlowe hero model - not something that existed in WC3, as well as tinker assets - the gnoll models are great and might be the basis for the eventual HD remaster in wow
also mutant murlocs is nasty
tropic trail
God, I feel like if they put a - WHAT THE HELL
white quartz
Thats a big boi
tropic trail
Oh my god
dense plover
its not that big
tropic trail
Big Chungus
tropic trail
That poor thing 😦
Anyways I hope they don’t make tinker a class, it just seems like it would be annoying as al hell to fight in pvp
tropic trail
And the jumping from islands just made me hate them lmfao
dense plover
noggenfogger wasnt in WC3
white quartz
Eh I mean we know they are retconning some stuff so who knows what they do
tropic trail
I honestly never played it so this is all shocking to me lol
dense plover
i think they might be telling some new stories
dense plover
like - the more I look at this, the more I think this isnt just an HD upgrade or even a remaster its the closest the devs will get to WC4 - instead deciding to just add new stories to that
like - there are models to the point that they can recreate a bunch of story stuff thats either been removed or was never actually shown in game
white quartz
Honestly I hope it outperforms sales expectations. That will be the only possible way we get WC4
dense plover
i still dont think we will see 4
which is why I think they might end up delaying 3R
to truly make it a masterpiece
female satyr are canon
lol
white quartz
I mean. Id like to hope there is a chance and never say never especially when something beats sales expectations. Also REALLY lovin the art style and direction they went with some of these
velvet wind
Interesting find
dense plover
theres a couple of weird ones
thats probably some kind of cross promo skin
looks like a skin for one of the vehicles
velvet wind
Found Venom as well
dense plover
that one is a great interpretation of a rather lame ingame enemy
white quartz
Im glad to see the MCU making a crossover
velvet wind
this boyo uses the brewmaster artifact
white quartz
Looks like a badass
velvet wind
well it's very close to the pvp skin
dense plover
yeah, definitely based on it, but not the same
oak wraith
Could well be there's assets not used in WC3 that could be used for custom maps.
unborn glacier
WC3 Reforged is gonna be LIT