shit cray cray, yo
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tranquil steeple
dense plover
its definitely supposed to start at 430
and probably go to 445 or 450
whats the ilvl cap currently?
oh wait, if it goes up 25, maybe 455?
languid yoke
455 is live cap
calm garden
zealous basalt
475 is max ilvl
dense plover
hmmm, well theres no way theres not a raid item that upgrades it to the raid ilvl
so yeah, base upgrades probably go to 455
zealous basalt
445 is normal
dense plover
then raid item that upgrades it higher
dense plover
yeah
itll probabbly start at 430, cap out at 455 using the normal upgrades
then be able to go to new raid ilvls using a raid item
zealous basalt
no
Wtb azeroth heart level overload for ptr
They added a repair in the forge of heart
dense plover
probably temporary
zealous basalt
oshit
dense plover
its just the name
a lot of the sludgy tentacle things have a variety of names
ive seen 6 or 7 different ones
OH WAIT
thats boralus
are you in a vision?
tranquil steeple
isn't that from a curse ring?
zealous basalt
walked out of the portal
and boom
i don't have the ring that involves the thing of betyond
dense plover
ah
tranquil steeple
so it being there is prolly similar to the
zealous basalt
Ohh
tranquil steeple
Well of Existence orb
zealous basalt
damn things of beyond
tranquil steeple
it's there even though it shouldn't be anymore.. well, provided whoever has the ring is out of the zone
or super far away
cursive mantle
yeah the mechagnomes are really badly executed
like they made so many poor decisions
why on earth would they think making all of their limbs un-transmog-able is a good idea
zealous basalt
I think that's the point
cursive mantle
seems like a point nobody wanted
zealous basalt
Have them show up those mechanic things
limbs*
It's quite a challenge to find a suitable mog
but
it is weird
cursive mantle
like I just dont get how they could make a race that is already sub-5% of the community even less appealing
zealous basalt
The limbs are way too much HD
ionic terrace
Well, gnomes had to get some sort of allied race
cursive mantle
they could have executed mechagnomes better
have mechanical limbs that can be transmog'd
ionic terrace
I personally like mech over leper
cursive mantle
have the option to have some limbs not be mechanical
ionic terrace
yea I agree
zealous basalt
There should have more options
tranquil steeple
it seems like blizz intend for mechagnomes to have
zealous basalt
but since they work over an existing model
tranquil steeple
but that they just haven't made it work just yet
cursive mantle
lol this on top of the worgen heritage armor literally going off of the human models is just laughable
tranquil steeple
well, this is a first draft
cursive mantle
worgen actually clip with the armor lmfao
tranquil steeple
it's subject to change
zealous basalt
I personally will
Make a report and hope they make certain parts of the mechagnome more...
HD
Although we are forgetting one thign
The vulpera cloak clips through the tails
cursive mantle
at this point the amount of changes like that that are going to happen will be slim to none
they have likely redirected a lot of resources into 9.0
if not practically all of them
tranquil steeple
again, it's the first build
I'm expecting some major tuning to Mechagnome customization and the general look of the Worgen Heritage armor
aswell as fixes to clipping and whatnot
zealous basalt
Just like the elves back in WoD
cursive mantle
I expect really no aesthetic changes to any of the race stuff
tranquil steeple
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but didn't orcs have uh... extra massive shoulders during WoD Beta?
cursive mantle
most of the changes will likely be bug fixes that cause crashes
or just bugs in general
zealous basalt
And worgen having bad shoulders
cursive mantle
nothing aesthetic or quality of life
tranquil steeple
this is just something that it makes sense that Blizz will make changes on
cursive mantle
lol
night swift
I really like those new expedition boxes
zealous basalt
what boxes
cursive mantle
high demanded stuff by the players change
night swift
Look in news
cursive mantle
did they confirm that essenses are account wide for 8.3
tranquil steeple
ye
uh
don't think anything about that's been mentioned yet
but again
first build of 8.3 ptr
we're what.. 30h since build launch
or something
zealous basalt
We are forgetting that they literally added a new long questline in 8.2
cursive mantle
i mean they announced that titanforging is changing
zealous basalt
After players were upset about the loyalist only way
And with the fiasco at the Darkshore quest
cursive mantle
I would say one of the biggest player requests currently, if not the biggest, is to have essenses be account wide
in terms of gameplay progression mechanics
zealous basalt
Eh, I disagree with having them being account bound
cursive mantle
why
tranquil steeple
and I can agree that I want that aswell, with SOME like rep ones
zealous basalt
I AM STUCK
tranquil steeple
because it's hell to re-farm rep on another character to get an essence, yet with something like
M+ or the Operation: Mechagon essence
zealous basalt
tranquil steeple
I can understand those not being made account bound
modest temple
at least do the rank 1s of what you have acquired
zealous basalt
tranquil steeple
lul mak
zealous basalt
help
tranquil steeple
just jump 
tropic trail
you cant do the stuck thing?
foggy abyss
Idk if y'all talked about it already
But I don't really know If I have to associate it
with "Lightforged" as undead
dense plover
yeah, as I said, it means nothing
foggy abyss
or just lightforged
zealous basalt
Uther is alive in the HS Canon
foggy abyss
Yeah as I thought
dense plover
and again, it means nothing
foggy abyss
I got a bit curious over it
zealous basalt
imagine not having to care about doing work with new ar
because you already completed the game
forest sphinx
I haven't had time to do anything 8.2 wise yet
I have a level 120 Prot Paladin that's not even near the islands at this point. I can't finish the war campaign either. It's why I've been considering starting over on Eredar and grinding to the cap again.
zealous basalt
tjer there
quartz lintel
Undead of light incoming
storm marsh
Anything new with nzoth nazjatar map?
cursive mantle
its pretty dumb how it requires you to do a separate grind just to make attempts at doing the horrific visions huh
that would be like having to farm world quests in order to even attempt to do a raid boss
night swift
welcome to mmos
cursive mantle
and if you wipe you have to do the same grind again except with double the amount
and double the amount of time between
it even has an exponential time gate to it
along with an exponential grind
zealous basalt
We already gone throught this TJ, the time gate doesn't exist, but its an extense grind
cursive mantle
time gate doesnt exist?
zealous basalt
And we don't know if the vial requeriments reset
cursive mantle
lol if you were to bet money on when they have those reset which would you bet on
I would bet it resets once a week
cursive mantle
lol how much does the daily grind even give you in rewarded currency
the daily quest bar
zealous basalt
Didn't do it yesterday
Also I checked it today
it starts at 100
then 200
then x2
cursive mantle
up to 1600
cursive mantle
oh I mean I never assumed it was permanent but isnt it great that that might be a possibility
zealous basalt
Well
As we said before
Mage Tower's currency requeriment resetted daily
but we didn't have to make things like vials
cursive mantle
also mage tower gave a free run every day
zealous basalt
ye
cursive mantle
also mage tower wasnt supposedly a challenge as purposefully difficult as visions
cursive mantle
also you never did answer how it isnt a time gate
zealous basalt
I explained it above, a time gate would stop all gaining of the resource until a new day
zealous basalt
no no
cursive mantle
world quests presumably
zealous basalt
no no no
You still get the thing from mbos
mobs
A time gate would be valor and old conquest points
zealous basalt
After you complete the rest of quests
I haven't seen it coming from the assault bar...
cursive mantle
ok so I was right in what I was saying
zealous basalt
But even after filling the assault bar
cursive mantle
do mobs always drop the resource in assaults?
zealous basalt
more or less
dense plover
cant be exclusive
stable ibex
Heyyy, y'all are doing PTR stuff. Is there any vendor up to get gear? I'm way under ilvl to do the horrific visions stuff.
dense plover
sorta
in the chamber of the heart
and uh
maybe in the capital?
like dazaralor or boralus
the 2nd one should have armor
stable ibex
Aightyy. Thankee. I barely checked Daz sooo. Yeah. I'll probably have better luck there. π
ionic terrace
I think the only vendor is for heart stuff and wrathion stuff
dense plover
theres usually a vendor at the capital
stable ibex
Yeeeah. I checked. Neither carry ptr armor stuff.
dense plover
oh
stable ibex
Which is weird
dense plover
well thats unfortunate
stable ibex
Ah well. I'm still gonna try it out!
dense plover
when raid gear is being tested it should show up
dont go to vale
youll crash
and your character will be unable to log in
stable ibex
Yeeeeah. So I've heard. I meant the Orgrimmar vision thingy.
dense plover
super tough
stable ibex
Yeeeah. I got a couple enemies in. Hood thing PTR gives an endless supply of the voidy stuff essentially.
pulsar iris
uncut vault
Mekkatorque is also the mechagnome leader, thank god
cloud iron
uncut vault
we talked about it earlier a lot
flint meteor
i read the new ilgynoth whispers, isnt muehΒ΄zala also called the father of sleep?
dense plover
suprisingly, yes
uncut vault
dense plover
bit late to the party on that porter
dense plover
lol
0 bug contributions
which is not that suprising - i didnt test much
well, i tested goblin start
im gonna guess none of those issues were addressed
forest sphinx
I got the same email
zealous basalt
ha
forest sphinx
Whatβs everyone up to?
zealous basalt
Rping
signal bone
tropic trail
i wish that Aqir flying mount would be the AOTC mount lol or well i hope..
zealous basalt
Mythic only kek
tropic trail
probably
lol
as long as its not that jelly fish with a lot of eyes
lol
Why is that expectable?
what?
The jellyfish with a lotta eyes
i expect it since it says "PH Quest"
so probably it can be from the aotc quest
that you will get after killing/defeating Nzoth
on heroic
:p
I expect it because we're talking about WoW. They love fun mounts and dances
uncut vault
placeholder
zealous basalt
Ah
tropic trail
I'm still surprised they didn't do the most obvious joke. Have Jaina break into Rastakhan's room through the door like "Here's Jaina!"
There's even a meme about that
i hope we actually get that void dragon mount lol
Unsure about that. We'll probably get another abyss worm type mount from the raid
void dragon could drop from Vexiona
just saying
lol
Could be true
Aqir mount could drop from the hivemind
im totally not looking at all the mount and the bosses
I can't read minds yet! Neither can you. So I don't know what you're doing right now
lol
i feel that this raid will have 3 mounts AOTC, Mythic & any difficulty like Antorus
strange falcon
tropic trail
Big eyetopus
dull flame
tropic trail
I'm gonna guess he'll be a lot bigger in the background
Tentacles and stuff
Turning it sideways makes him look like a snapper plant
Wat
limber mural
Well yeah, he has tentacles off the bottom of him
There will inevitably be tentacles
But this's just the aspect of his core model
strange falcon
questionable artists are already at work
limber mural
bruh it's been so long on the internet i cannot say tentacles and keep a straight mind
ember tundra
undead elves ?
tropic trail
yep
limber mural
they only just did a new model for those
tropic trail
that darkhound they are also riding on the meeting with calia
tropic trail
Im saying, undead elves are "confirmed"
strange falcon
i mean,we've seen the sethrak run around on krolusks as their mounts
doesnt mean they are in the game as a playable race e.e
pine stirrup
undead elves are confirmed at least since darkshore 
uncut vault
it was an undead helf dark ranger on that, not a nelf
ember tundra
when ?
tropic trail
there were helfs and nelfs
strange falcon
porter knows exactly what characters are Helf and what arent
even those obscure ones
pine stirrup
they've resurrected the dead night elf commanders...
uncut vault
the one at the calia meeting, riding that new dog, was an undead high elf dark ranger
tropic trail
Im sure undead elves will be a thing as AR
uncut vault
its moronic that they'd be fawning over calia, but yknow, shitty BfA story so whats new
ember tundra
why shitty ?
strange falcon
i mean,we're missing an undead AR sooo
pine stirrup
imo it's the best exp. story ever...
uncut vault
big yikes
ember tundra
I'm personnally Ok with the lore and especially with Calia and the forsaken
even if I don't like it
uncut vault
I'm personally not okay with blizzard retconning 15 years of lore in order to push a white savior into the forsaken and turn them into a generic honor race
pine stirrup
they're currently killing all old bad boys to create new lore.. that's quite nice tho
ember tundra
there's no retconning. Sylvanas is gone and its last words to the forsaken was the horde is nothing
uncut vault
and its even worse that undead elves want to follow a human with absolutely nothing in common with them
Before the Storm is entirely retcons
ember tundra
really ? what about the fact that they are, um, dead ?
uncut vault
Except Calia isnt an actual undead, she's a special light undead with no side effects like actual undeath
she also has experienced a total of zero instances of scorn for her existence, which is a major pillar of being forsaken
ember tundra
And ? What prevents her to help actual undead people ?
pine stirrup
so looks like you already know everything about calia and her powers and, that she's going to lead the undead faction?
uncut vault
Derek hasnt suffered for his undeath either. He got tortured for about five minutes
and then was instantly accepted by his family
pine stirrup
keke ez
uncut vault
given a home in his country
and loved by a new person who wants to help him
who is he forsaken by?
ember tundra
then why Calia can't try to do this with the actual forsaken ?
tropic trail
try what?
ember tundra
Try to help the forsaken, as she helped derek
uncut vault
because derek didnt experience anything the forsaken did
he wasnt forsaken by literally anyone
at any point
ember tundra
what about the opinion of lilian voss ?
uncut vault
You mean her complete retconning too?
Her entire story in Cata was hating necromancers and being entirely separate from the forsaken
ember tundra
there is no retconning, lilian voss has always been like that
uncut vault
now, suddenly her loyalties have always been with the forsaken and she was too weak to stop Sylvanas
tropic trail
Lilian Voss was 100% retconned from the way she was in Cata
alone the dialogue she says: where I always was. with the forsaken
is complete wrong
strange falcon
retcons are fun amirite bois
ember tundra
There's no retconning, she sees calia as something that can change what she doesn't like
uncut vault
Howl, you can say "I am fine with blizzard retconning their lore"
ember tundra
and what keeps her away from the forsaken
uncut vault
except she literally says
pine stirrup
it's been a while since cata
uncut vault
"my loyalties have always been with the forsaken"
you can just say you are fine with retcons
stop trying to pretend blizzard doesnt do it
tropic trail
Its not just an evolution of a normal character. Its a fact that they retconned something that is objectively just wrong
this here "my loyalties have always been with the forsaken"
is 100% wrong
ember tundra
Being loyal to the forsaken doesnt mean living in undercity
pine stirrup
they did.. to get a red line into the lore mesh what warcraft has been the last 15 years
ember tundra
I'm not pretending anything. I know blizzard retcon characters, look illidan. It is just that lilian voss may have something to do for the forsaken now that sylvanas is gone
uncut vault
Yes, thats her character now. It was retconned into being like that
ember tundra
and because her story as a "forsaken" is different, she sees calia differently
tropic trail
Yes, Lilian Voss should be a character who leads the Forsaken. she knows exactly how it is to be a fosaken
not Calia
thats why so many ppl are upset
ember tundra
Why did she reject the forsaken ? Things changed.
uncut vault
Yes, which is why her current character is a retcon becuase she literally says her loyalties have ALWAYS been with the forsaken
ember tundra
because the idea of this sentence may be something else than "i am 100% ok with developping the plague", but more "I pity the forsaken for what they are"
uncut vault
You're blatantly ignoring everything, so have fun
tropic trail
^
uncut vault
its fine to like retcons
stop being delusional and pretending blizzard hasnt done them in BfA
ember tundra
Zandalar is a retcon, just that imo the specific story about the forsaken is a logical storyline considering what happened during the war campaign
pine stirrup
so calia is the new leader of the forsaken? is this confirmed?
or is she just reclaiming the throne of lordaeron?
strange falcon
even our player characters are a retcon :O
the fact classic exists is a retcon too
pine stirrup
the movie is also a retcon
ember tundra
I mean, a real retcon is like Illidan saying "haha, all this time I was trying to save you" while in BC he was doing the exact opposite. Here it's just the evolution of the character
pine stirrup
it's a retcon, that he didn't die
tropic trail
The movie is not a retcon. its not even relevant, since it plays in a different timeline/universe
limber mural
hate to break the usual topic of arguing, but has there been any info on new consumables in 8.3?
uncut vault
Thats literally what happened with lilian lmao
ember tundra
No, your interpretation says it's happening.
uncut vault
she literally says "haha all this time I cared about the forsaken" when in cata she fully rejected them and hunted down undead and necromancers
ember tundra
she didnt take concrete actions since then
while illidan took concrete actions against us
uncut vault
neither did Illidan since TBC
pine stirrup
no idea @limber mural sure that it will be data mined soon 
ember tundra
in TBC illidan has a concrete army against us
uncut vault
In cata Lilian concretely rejects joining the forsaken and has her own storyline against the scarlets and necromancers.
ember tundra
And nothing changed for her since then ?
for illidan, nothing changed. We stopped on defeating him
uncut vault
Im not saying nothing changed
if they wrote it as her changing, that is fine
that is not what they wrote
they wrote her as always being loyal to the forsaken
when she blatantly was not in cata
ember tundra
because you are interpreting the fact to be loyal to the forsaken a certain way. imo here she heards the forsaken as the undeads who suffer
uncut vault
You're saying that a retcon isnt a retcon
because another retcon exists
Forsaken, pre-Before the Storm, were the faction led by Sylvanas in Lordaeron
ember tundra
I'm comparing based on examples to illustrate what a retcon is
uncut vault
The explicit choice in Cata is "join the forsaken, be a free willed undead, or return to the grave"
pine stirrup
always is relative
uncut vault
always is literally the exact opposite of relative
at all times; on all occasions.
Lilian has objectively not been loyal to the forsaken, or any group of undead, on all occasions
ember tundra
I'm not interpreting always, but "the forsaken"
As you can see today's forsaken is not cata's forsaken
uncut vault
yes, you are justifying it not being a retcon with another retcon.
ember tundra
so the concept of forsaken for her is different
uncut vault
Before the Storm retconning the definition of forsaken doesnt make them changing Lilian better.
ember tundra
not based on time
I'm not saying lilian is better now
I personnally fully disagree with calia doing anything with the forsaken
pine stirrup
still so calia is the new leader of the forsaken? is this confirmed? or is she just reclaiming the throne of lordaeron?
tropic trail
Ragi, its not 100% confirmed
but the quest and the dialogues we see in 8.3 make it pretty much clear
uncut vault
unless nathanos pops up next patch and tells calia to fuck off
its going to be her
which, I wish
but that wont happen
pine stirrup
why the f are you the arguing about it?
uncut vault
do storylines need to be fully finished for us to dislike them?
I can dislike the shitty story theyre heading for with Calia without it being fully implemented
pine stirrup
well you are currently disliking a story line.. which is not confirmed.. one out multiple probabilities...
idc... you are a free person... you can dislike what ever you want...
in my opinion, one can not dislike something which is not confirmed.. but that's just me...
because i don't think that calia will join the horde...
tropic trail
@uncut vault Its like this:
If you object about a current story you get the old "Its not finished yet! wait and see"
when you object about a finished story you get the "Still mad about that? Look at the current story instead or its over already. Move on" or something to that effect.
its a game of "move the goalpost" really.
strange falcon
it's a warzone of impossibility to argue about things
tropic trail
who is going to argue that this story is actually good or even developed?
tropic trail
"Hey sira why did you join the horde?"
"I don't have time to explain!"
Its been a year since then and the only explanation so far has been... "Oh they are just so angry."
zealous basalt
And even to this day Darkshlre has been the epitaph of bad writting
Considering they have to change stuff to make it "somewhat" acceptable
Now the elves are more forsaken than the real forsaken
tropic trail
what is funny they change stuff from patch to patch. Its not even changing stuff from WC3 or previous expansions.
They make a story for a patch and then by the next one rewrite what they already did.
its astounding.
inner copper
ok so my characters upper half body is frozen while doing any movements, even when riding a mount
pine stirrup
so many story writing experts in the community, why don't you work for blizz and write some awesome quest stories?
oh wait, it's just easier to complain :>
still imo best story telling since wow exists...
zealous basalt
I was of that thought too, ragi
tropic trail
You don't need to be a chef to understand the food tastes like crap.
inner copper
the upper half of the body is stuck in the idle standing position
zealous basalt
Happens to me as well in retail
pine stirrup
on ptr?
inner copper
yep
languid yoke
I have that when I lag on live
inner copper
ok she just did the idle "sniffing the air" animation and the upper half of the body didn't move along with it
I wanna see a front flip in this state
XDDDDDDD omg the body model just went flailing like miles across the city it seemed
tropic trail
Isn't the point to complain while it's still only PTR and not set in stone? If we say nothing, nothing will happen.
inner copper
ok i did an emote and now she's back to normal
tropic trail
If redshirt said nothing, kurdan would be dead.
inner copper
alright on ptr what is the best way to get to exalted with a rep that uses tabards to gain rep?
zealous basalt
Same as live
round lake
just grind Botanica
tranquil steeple
Tempest Keep area dungeon
inner copper
i have grinded from neutral to exalted for silvermoon on pit of saron, i'll stick with that one
round lake
I only say Botanica because its a straight shot through very quick and at the end the exit portal is there and you can rinse repeat very quick
round lake
yea
Ive done it with my Tauren and Belf
i forget how quick it was but it felt very quick
inner copper
im not sure but i think flight paths have a little change
limber mural
given that some go through hillsides i'd say not before time
inner copper
the flight path gryphon im riding rn is actually noticeably tilting when turning left or right. I don't think that was a thing before
tranquil steeple
it always tilted sideways a little
limber mural
flying mounts do tilt when doing hard fucking turns but
tranquil steeple
but I've noticed it tilting up/down aswell now
limber mural
i can't recall FP ones doing so
tranquil steeple
atleast very noticably tilt
limber mural
Yeah Legion dalaran FP tilted, was noticeable cause mounts that shouldn't tilt like HM mechagon mount go at odd-ass angles
inner copper
i noticed the up/down tilt in the DK starting zone when the skeletal gryphon i was riding just went in for a catastrophic nose dive XD
also i noticed a very noticeable sound when a corpse drops on the ground
its unique per mob and goes perfectly with every part of the body that touches the ground at specific moments
although it sounds like "plompf"
limber mural
huh
zealous basalt
Got one in Spanish too yay
zealous basalt
My life has a meaning now
inner copper
@tropic trail thats italian
tropic trail
shhh
zealous basalt
... Das Spanish
inner copper
bella cia is not really spanish
zealous basalt
bella cia?
inner copper
yeah what tilted elf said
zealous basalt
huh
tropic trail
Off-Topic its an old italian song, that was brought up during WW2
but I heard it first time in the Netflex series House of Money, now I cant stop listen to it
zealous basalt
ah
strange falcon
@tropic trail its bella ciao,
Which translated means "bye,beautiful"
Referring to the soldiers saying goodbye to their wives to go to war
inner copper
btw anyone remember that one item from the worgen starting zone? Pretty much the only other tophat in the game?
strange falcon
Source: italian boi
inner copper
i kept it on my main so i'd always have a tophat
strange falcon
Volare via is more recent,around 90s era
And its a song about being carefree
The guy who sang it is like 65 now
clever roost
strange falcon
thanks to wow reaction channels,everytime i read "you know this" i just see saurfang saying it
sullen dawn
new evidence surfaces about 9.0! maybe shadowlands after all... (even if leak was fake)
tropic trail
that the shadowlands will be somehow involved in the next xpac is like 100% clear
ivory meadow
How does that point to Shadowlands?
sullen dawn
ah someone said it was dataminded in 8.3
dense plover
someone lied
ivory meadow
It's just a model
sullen dawn
@ivory meadow 7.3 had kul tiran stuff
tropic trail
You should care more for the Ilgynoths whispers
tropic trail
who literally confirming a shadowlands entity
tropic trail
"the father of sleep" is Muah zala
sullen dawn
yep
hasty tendon
Yeah, those "Ghost Elementals" are the Memory things from the Akunda Questchain.
They're definitely not new.
storm marsh
Probably going to be reused in shadowlands
inner copper
its not confirmed @storm marsh
storm marsh
I know
dense plover
the reason it was brought up is because someone lied to Toby and said it was new
languid yoke
oooooo @zealous basalt remember the cloak discussion? I just saw a trinket in Ny'alotha loot table that has a bonus depending on how high your cloak level is
only a range increase, but still a bonus effect based on legendary cloak level anyway
languid yoke
zealous basalt
nice nice
languid yoke
so I do guess blizz plans on having the cloak be important for end of bfa progression
curious to see if cloaks in m+ stop existing then?
or if the raid will drop a cloak ilvl upgrade
dense plover
didnt see any cloaks in the raid loot list
zealous basalt
"OML ARE THEY REMOVING PROGRESSION OF ITEMS WITH A LEGENDARY CLOAK AGAIN?!"
"BLIZZARD FOR REAL?" unsuscribes
dense plover
i mean, i imagine there will be an item in the raids
languid yoke
yeah there are no cloaks in the raid, I mentioned that yesterday
dense plover
and probably also from M+
like you can probably get the upgrade item in pieces from the chest or something
languid yoke
interesting tho
tropic trail
@tropic trail Literally who?
Mh?
Oh
I Said, Ilgynoth literally confirmed a shadowlands entity. "the father of sleep" is how Mueh'Zala is being called in the recent Traveler books
And it was mentioned that Mueh'Zala wants to feast on azeroth
And ilgynoth literally quotes in his 8.3 whispers that when the last shadow will fall away, the father of sleep will feast (something like this)
boys
i has QUESTION
is there anything on 8.3 that will be farmable and tradable that you can sell for ez gold ?
dense plover
not anymore than normal?
its too early to know anyway
all of the rewards are PH right now
also Tilted, its not "confirmed"
tropic trail
PH ?
tropic trail
i see
dense plover
could just as easily be nzoth considering the nightmare
and the sleeping city
thats the point
its confusing
autumn dagger
"before the last shadow falls, the father of sleep shall savor his feast" kinda aligns with what sylvanas said regarding n'zoth filling the streets with corpses and feeding souls to the hungering darkness
dense plover
it could also mean nothing
whispers dont mean everything
also do we know the source yet?
upper remnant
They often do
Half the whispers came true
dense plover
yeah, half
upper remnant
And when I say half it really is most of it
the diamond king
the circle of starts
the torch
dense plover
whats the source of the new whispers tho?
ah, datamined
for context:
Il'gynoth: Before the last shadow falls, the Father of Sleep shall savor his feast.
The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
When their mistress beckons, nine ravens take flight. Each seeks a prize to earn her favor.
The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.
Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.
The blind queen wields a scepter of bone. From the deep she calls forth doom.
The cunning ones kneel before six masters, but serve only one.
new ones ^
upper remnant
dense plover
old ones
Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator.
To find him, drown yourself in the circle of stars.
The king of diamonds has been made a pawn.
The lord of ravens will turn the key.
The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you.
Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.
Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.
At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming.
From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength.
Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.
so the first one is 100% nzoth
upper remnant
the Father of sleep is a name of Mue'zala
dense plover
literally one of the raid wings is Gift of Flesh
Magni was made a pawn in the eternal palace when the heart unlocked the prison
Lord of Ravens still hasnt come up has he?
same with the boy-king lies
upper remnant
I think some thinks might have been dropped
dense plover
Her third death is clearly azshara now
upper remnant
the five torches turned out to be just one
dense plover
i always figured that meant the pillars of creation
autumn dagger
maybe odyn is the lord of ravens? considering he has an eye that can see into the shadowlands?
dense plover
From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength - probably wrathion
could also be the other black dragon - ebonhorn
since both suffer some corruption
this one is interesting
The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness
upper remnant
that's clearly calia
night swift
Her robes are gold
dense plover
oh
night swift
But thats a reach
upper remnant
Her model wasn't there so the approximation is understandable
dense plover
and this backs up that the five torches thing was legit
Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.
this implies that nzoth isnt the master
like - nzoth is already free
and they mention flesh is his gift, he is your true creator
but thats attributed to yogg in the chronicles
he was the one who corrupted the forge
so either yogg is relevant
or nzoth tricked yogg
both of which are interesting
upper remnant
I think than the "master" is the same guy than in this one "The cunning ones kneel before six masters, but serve only one."
dense plover
hmmmm, and thats still unclear
upper remnant
Could be the six fondamental forces or 6 void lords
dense plover
except we have seen no evidence of the elementals kneeling
upper remnant
The cunning one is N'zoth
dense plover
as in a group kneels before the 6 masters but serves 1
i dont think we have enough info to know yet
dense plover
theres only 3 old gods tho
4 if you count yshaarj, who is dead
and 5 if you count ghuun who wasnt even a real old god
i think its something else
upper remnant
The cunning ones can be just two
dense plover
maybe some of the faction leaders
upper remnant
and the master are the 6 ones
dense plover
how many dragon flights are there?
upper remnant
mainly ? 5
autumn dagger
5
upper remnant
then there is chromatic and void too
dense plover
yeah
infinite flight might be in that list instead
in which case it could be about Murozond
since nozdormu = moruzond
upper remnant
6 can be the titans too
dense plover
we still havent seen the birth/formation of moruzond
arent there more than 6?
nope
6 minus sargeras
i dont think they would go back to the titans tho
dense plover
how many titan keepers are left?
upper remnant
well they are too minor I think
dense plover
i mean, theyre currently extremely relevant
theres a stormheim map tagged for 8.3
ra gets corrupted
upper remnant
Yes but they are some kind of master of cunning ones
which means the cunning ones are even inferior to them
dense plover
i think it might be the dragonflights honestly
thats my current guess with limited info
specifically since we have 6 currently relevant dragon npcs
upper remnant
I'll bet on something new in next expansion
dense plover
2 earth, 1 red, 1 green, 1 blue, 1 bronze
flint meteor
theres few with green eyes
tulip sun
Earth?
flint meteor
like freya
hollow vortex
Is Freya a dragon?
flint meteor
no?
hollow vortex
Oh I see those were two convos
flint meteor
i was refering to the vassal of life one
dense plover
Could be a new npc
Only two that currently make sense are Freya and the green dragon
tropic trail
the first one is 100% not Nzoth
flint meteor
pretty much
tropic trail
Nzoth is not the father of sleep
dense plover
Except he isnβt the last old god
tropic trail
When the last shadow will fall away (Nzoth), the father of sleep will have his feast (the hungering darkness Sylvanas is talking about, Mueh Zala is called the father of sleep in the traveler books)
hollow vortex
Merithra
tropic trail
And basically the most (or maybe even all of them) whispers were true
hollow vortex
Merithra is Yseraβs daughter but tbh she is in the bg of that pic, most of her pics have glowy nelf eyes
could be in bg, could be ysera*
flint meteor
i didnt rly pay attention to her but her eyes arent white?
The blind queen wields a scepter of bone. From the deep she calls forth doom.
this is the hardest i think
upper remnant
Makes me think of Helya
dense plover
^
Does Helya wear a blindfold or anything?
Could also be blind metaphorically
Still makes me think of Helya either way
unborn glacier
dense plover
Metaphorically she could be blind since she canβt see anything outside of her realm
Oh duh
Could be sylvanas
She got her eye slashed
Maybe Azshara depending on her model in the raid
flint meteor
she could also be "blinded" by her pride
craggy nexus
Helya does not wear a blindfold.
tropic trail
Blind queen is a tricky one right now. But I could see it being Sylvanas, not realising shes being tricked
uncut vault
Vassal is most likely Malfurion
tropic trail
Sylvanas also believes Voljin loas choose her to become Warchief
so this is still a twist
uncut vault
tropic trail
that has to be solved
uncut vault
And torches definitely hasnβt been solved yet, since thereβs a new whisper regarding them
But Iβm betting itβs world trees, since the night elves are now returning to Nordrassil
dense plover
Vassal is complex too - it implies a relationship of owning
A vassal of someone is beneath them and is somewhat slave like
I still think Freya might be a safer bet
terse patrol
I say Merithra. @uncut vault
uncut vault
Merithra doesnβt have green eyes
Blizz isnβt very subtle with these. Thereβs a small amount of vagueness for who it is, but the answers are really obvious.
Diamond king turned out to be Magni, shocker
This is going to be someone with green eyes who does life stuff.
terse patrol
Merithra also doesnβt have a unique model. @uncut vault
uncut vault
Which is why it probably wonβt be her
uncut vault
Theyβre not going to write a whisper now on someone who theyβve barely put time into
terse patrol
Yseraβs eyes were green.
terse patrol
It makes sense her daughter would.
uncut vault
tropic trail
isnt Ysera doing anyway some shady stuff that involves the void?
Like she placed that void flower in the dream
hollow vortex
Like in the past or in the afterlife lately?
Green eyed can also be jealousy and metaphorical
terse patrol
I canβt see them making Malfurion a baddie.
terse patrol
They already villain batted Staghelm.
He was just a ambitious asshole in vanilla.
Then they made him worship Ragnaros???
uncut vault
Thatβs not an official image, so not sure what that proves
even in her mortal form,shes got blue eyes
terse patrol
Again, just saying, if they kill off yet another WC3 hero just because the need for raid bosses needs to be sated, Iβll be annoyed.
uncut vault
oh I agree, Im just saying that currently, he fits the bill the most
terse patrol
Unless they smack Valeera.
uncut vault
combine that with the Torches whispers potentially being about world trees, and the nelfs now returning to nordrassil
we'll probably get a few of them solved soon
terse patrol
Which would be big cringe.
Valeera is shown to fight the void in the Visions anyways.
So I doubt sheβs evil.
tropic trail
I want Alleria to go full void crazy
and Im sure this will happen
just a question of time
flint meteor
well valeera aint a vassal of life
thou
well alleria seems to keep hearing whispers even after nzoth downfall
theres broadcast text saying that
actually even more as she says new ones joined the chorus
pine stirrup
don't think that malf would be a badie, but i could imagine, that he could disguise a treachery, which maybe was done by tyrande.. or smthng
flint meteor
of all the characters i was expecting malfurion to take on the black empire
it was kinda disapointing
pine stirrup
nahh...
oh you mean because of the rift of aln.. or the remnance in the emerald dream=
pine stirrup
mybe he will and at the same time disguise a treachery, not knowing that he's actually doing it...
i've just read the conversation between tyrande an shandris before my raid... they're going to nordrassil
ionic terrace
Ah, interesting.
So they did change the quest text for ally races to account for Ji and Asya
tropic trail
hey so do we know for sure that wrathion doesnβt die yet or is it still debatable
tropic trail
please blizzard donβt kill my dragon son....
i know dragons age at a lot more rapid pace than normal races but can you imagine doing that much shit with your life when youβre like 5 years old
uncut lintel
tropic trail
itβs like you meet up with him and his human form is completely mature, heβs a drake now and he speaks like somebody with a degree in neuroscience but youβre stuck in cataclysm when he was just an egg so youβre like βoh my gosh!! hello son boy!! happy 5th birthday baby!! It feels like just yesterday you were an eggβ
uncut vault
why does blizz keep forgetting that Ji isnt from pandaria
he never met a zandalari before BfA
tropic trail
are they finally making ji somewhat relevant
uncut vault
just him being the embassy person
tropic trail
ooh well at least he's doing something
walk, walk, fashion baby, work it, move that bitch crazy
what a polite sit. he looks so regal. he has standards
uncut vault
his boss model has a crazy amount of unique anims
seems hes going to be a proper dragon fight
flint meteor
hmm with that alleria broadcast text, i feel like sylv is gonna actually appear in the end of nozth battle and do her shit, because alleria states they faced each other in combat but it didnt happen yet so far in bfa
- sylv and azshara bargain to make nzoth vulnerable
dense plover
it doesnt crash?
ionic terrace
nope
dense plover
its tagged as [PH] dont bother with the description
ionic terrace
i guess they got tired of trading tokens
dense plover
uncut vault
βYour Lightβ guess Nβzoth doesnβt realize heβs whispering to an undead
ionic terrace
oh no
languid yoke
yeah blizz loves doing goofy texts for PH stuff
dense plover
these are interesting - sometimes they spawn a mouth and you can enter them and clean them - currently bugged because theres a constant dot (intended) that interrupts the activity inside (unintended)
looks like this
big ol eye
gave this
niuzao fighting
titan spark
titan area underneath vale is fucked too
pretty sure this is where you fight the water boss in SoO
ionic terrace
it id
is
and the exit to vale is just a wall
so you can't get out that way π
uncut vault
anyone able to find xuen?
dense plover
boss is down here
honestly great mix of these two aesthetics
especially considering the focus in this zone on drowned and drowning debuffs
looks sick
and music here is already fitting
because SoO was old god-y
uncut vault
this one is much better than the Uldum invasion
dense plover
very much so
it feels more finished
cache gives 2500 AP btw
so assuming thats true for the other, thats 5k per week, or maybe more depending on the actual time frames and when the cache refreshes
ionic terrace
ye
languid yoke
the mogu assault also felt more finished than uldum
languid yoke
because now it also makes sense why the mogu assault didn't have all the ny'alotha asthetics
zealous basalt
WELL
languid yoke
has uldum still not transitioned properly?
zealous basalt
Vale was suffering of a worse bug
dense plover
nope
its not transitioning at all
missing structures
i think its because the amathet stuff was spawning during the nzoth phase
the tags are fucked
dense plover
crane gives quests, ox is fighting a big kthrax
ionic terrace
he's pouncing on tentacles
storm marsh
Cant believe the celestials are also making a return