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dense plover
tropic trail
Blizz: Get off the stage, Sylvie! N'zoth McOldGod is here!
tropic trail
Good grief
dense plover
So the thing is, if we fight Nzoth, then the outcome can’t matter for 9.0
Since we will already know what 9.0 is
If we don’t fight Nzoth, then that means they can use that for 9.0
Whatever 9.0 is, it can’t be determined by what happens in 8.3 because we will know what 9.0 is beforehand
tropic trail
I know who will be the end boss of BfA. It's gonna be Voidgnaros. Ragnaros plus void
dense plover
It’s probably gonna be Nzoth and I’m gonna be disappointed
I really want a black empire expac and this is the best chance for it
We will hopefully have some clue next few weeks, definitely by Blizzcon
stiff vector
i want the dragon isles
dense plover
Me too
dense plover
It’s the most likely patch tho
Probably not
But I would be surprised if that squid temple isn’t there
storm marsh
There is no other zone left for bfa
dense plover
Imagine a dragon isles loadscreen without the squid monster temple
dense plover
There is no 8.3, only Zuul
stiff vector
i have 0 facts pointing towards what 8.3 might have
and i hate it
the kul tiran dude is literally the only mystery left and that might turn out to be a dud
dense plover
Well, wrathion got a new model, we know he is looking for the dragon isles
Those are both facts
storm marsh
Wrathion, dragon aspects in 8.2 and isles that hinted towards them
dense plover
And we still haven’t seen the formation of the infinite dragonflight
We know the end of them, but not the creation
We haven’t seen Nozdormu become Murozond
stiff vector
so was he voiced by martin sheen or was that fake news
he sounds so much alike
nozdormu that is
storm marsh
Dragon Isles zone + SW raid - Calia resses dead humans as the redeemed allied race. Watch it happen 😂
dense plover
Think that’s not true
stiff vector
is that official tho
storm marsh
What
dense plover
Yes
stiff vector
they better hurry then
dense plover
That’s who voiced him in the past
storm marsh
Nozdormu/murozond should have his own expansion. In End Time he says we will eventually fight him one day
dense plover
Yeah when he is created
We already defeated him in the future past
In end time
We just haven’t fought him before that future in our current future since that was the past future
storm marsh
inserts confusing gif
storm marsh
I get it 😂
zealous basalt
But we won't be able to kill him
zealous basalt
Wouldnt that make him a recurrent villain though?
storm marsh
Well. I bet caverns of time will get a revamp in that expansion
zealous basalt
Unless they remake EndTime and make it a raid
stiff vector
what if we do kill him tho
zealous basalt
AnOthEr tImElInE
dense plover
We can’t
stiff vector
what if we do
dense plover
By definition of murozond existing, Nozdormu prevents his own death
stiff vector
dense plover
Then the past wouldn’t have happened which means that we didn’t kill him
Aka time paradox
stiff vector
and then time breaks
dense plover
If we kill him then we didn’t kill him
dense plover
it’s what makes the creation of murozond so important - he prevents his own intended death because his prevented death is necessary to preserve the timeline where the infinite flight is defeated and the timeways remain intact
Even tho doing so creates the infinite flight
storm marsh
Do you think he's able to do all of that, even after Deathwing's death?
dense plover
Which is why they are constantly trying to break the flights
And the timeways
To stop time from working right
zealous basalt
Inb4 Noz is like "Today I lost more than you could ever know" and then goes infinite like "But now is no time to mourn"
round lake
No classic plus
dense plover
Only Classic-
It’s like classic but with fewer classes, races, zones, and it is an rts
Oh but you get to play as multiple factions so it does have some new features
tranquil steeple
imo only way for classic+ is to do more caverns of time stuff, but even that's super sketchy
tranquil steeple
it may be edgy, but it's not mlg edgy, give it some credit
dense plover
I was making memes
zealous basalt
Xx_Cl4$$1C_xX
tranquil steeple
mak no
dense plover
Ok apparently we are now getting “8.3 isn’t dragon isles, that should be an expansion”. The fucking nonsense theories of some people are driving me up the wall. Dragon isles are small-ish, and they are the only hint we currently have for 8.3 patch content. Why are people trying to act like the obvious won’t happen?
Like - they won’t have two continents named Isles. They don’t do that. Patch zones sure, but not continents
Broken Isles already exists
tropic trail
I dont think Dragon isles should be an whole expansion
Maybe its just me, but I think the dragon lore is the most boring part in the WoW lore - at least for me
so "just" a big patch is fine for the dragon isles
also, dragon isles is btw old god land
dense plover
Just want to reinforce that the stream is very likely for next week
Less than a month before Blizzcon https://youtu.be/VoLgP6lUKnY and a month before Blizzcon where they announced bfa https://youtu.be/wMKJ3LWDrKk
Both around the 2nd week of October
sullen dawn
good old ion
upper remnant
I personally would want Dragons Isles to be an expansion because I think it can have a lot of potential
But I know it won't happen
I only fear that then it will only be like 30 minutes worth of story content when I wanted questlines to restore the dragon's fertility, explore a lot more their origins, have new dragon species to discover etc
Even Nazjatar felt rushed for what it could have been
dense plover
We can’t restore their power - maybe as part of destroying the heart but that’s it
sullen dawn
I personally would probably take a break till 10.0 if the expansion was all dragon based
8.3 would be nice for dragon isles, or a sub theme for 9.0
dense plover
Main expacs don’t tend to get sub themes unless it’s end game
sullen dawn
i mean BFA had a main theme/sub theme
dense plover
And considering the chromie stuff, dragon isles is overdue
sullen dawn
War for 8.0/8.1/8.2.5, old gods for 8.0.5 (not a patch but the first raid i mean), 8.1.5, 8.2, 8.3
dont get me wrong, i do want dragons/dragon isles, just not as a whole expansion idea
sullen dawn
aye
green laurel
Now that I think about it...Ive kinda just been working under the assumption that 8.3 would basically just be the final raid tier but...that would be fucking awful if we assume the next expac wont be coming out for another year
An entire year with no new content besides the new raid tier
tropic trail
big patches like .2 and .3 bring always a new zone (only exception was WoD for good reasons)
tropic trail
7.3 had 3 if you want to see it that way
but yea. 8.2 had 1 new main zone and a small sub zone (lore wise)
upper remnant
Also nothing says they can't be cured
Since Dragon Isles is new lore mostly they can have whatever device they want in it
Also an expac about healing the flights, rempowering them and other guardians and rebuilding the lands would be a nice change of pace
night swift
Did battle for dazaralor have old gods?
green laurel
Oh uhh norp
I guess i take that back
That raid was like so inconsequential to the story
night swift
T-they killed the king of zandalar
green laurel
Meh
night swift
Its what made the zandalari join the horde
green laurel
That same level of consequence happens mid way through eternal palace. And that raid ended witg the freeing of an old god
Also talanji is more responsible for 90% of that before BoD anyway
green laurel
What if 8.3 is shadowlands and dragon isles
That would tie up like every loose end for bfa
flint meteor
i think that would be 2 much
green laurel
Then 9.0 being black empire
flint meteor
i mean shadowlands is like hard to gauge because we dont know shit
dragon isles on the other hand pretty much a patch content
green laurel
I think theyre both arguably too huge
Dragon isles is story wise huge
It would open up more questions that could be solved in a single patch
long blade
idk if anyone saw it yet but https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/1179466740704497664
night swift
Watch em be like “we came from X area which has exactly what is happening over here. Come on we’ll show you!”
And boom new zone
night swift
Oh boy that’ll go well
ancient jasper
So do we think we're getting a new zone with 8.3 or just the finishing Raid?
unborn glacier
@dense plover I honestly don't know if Dragon Isles would be 8.3. They aren't the only hint, as the Wrathion Journal in 8.2.5 clearly states that Wrathion believes that the Forge of Origination is the key to stopping Nzoth, which suggests Uldum will be playing a key role in 8.3
pulsar iris
"we, tortollan, actually came from the dragon isles. we heard you were looking for them. come, we'll show the way" lol
long blade
so 8.3 RAF is released with Uldum related stuff
night swift
Yeah it won’t work
ancient jasper
I... don't see how Tortollan would ever work as an Allied Race. >_>
strange falcon
i mean,speaking of allied races with little evidence
the only AR that would make me make an alliance character
would be sneks
tropic trail
Honestly I main a demon hunter so allied races aren’t even that big of a deal to me lmfao I can only go from two races xD
I just don’t overly stupid allied races like a weird furri loli >_>. Plz
strange falcon
i mean....
loli has nothing to do with vulpera,as then....goblins would be greedy green lolis
which is complete nightmare fuel and cursed images
and most people are considering them as a valid candidate
because of the overwhelming amount of evidence for them
@tropic trail
tropic trail
I mean I wasn’t talking about them being a loli
Loli would include body parts of a adult woman but small and furry like too much lol I doubt we will get there but a lot of wow players are creepy enough to make a high demand for it
terse patrol
i hate lolicons (pedos) trying to normalize it by blanketing short characters under their dumb loli tag.
No, goblins are not "lolis." Gnomes are not "lolis."
Ugh, pedos need to fuck off.
night swift
^
zealous basalt
Dis ain't TERA
tropic trail
omg did you said TERA?!? Thanks, now I have this picture again in my head, where an guildie (back then when Tera was P2P) tried to justify himself for having a nude patch for his elin, while arguing he installed it only because it felt so more "realistic"
that was the point in my life, where I just said: Fuck them. fuck all those weebs
dense plover
Uldum was already a zone
We could go there on a quest
Zones for patches are new zones
sullen dawn
Weebs are the worst
strange falcon
@tropic trail i mean,the "nudepatch" was just the korean client
tropic trail
No. he literally told me that if he un-equips his character, that his character was naked
oh shit
night swift
Yikes
distant folio
Wrathion believes that the Forge of Origination is the key to stopping Nzoth,
wait what, where?
because honestly that'd be the only way I can see us defeating an Old God. We shouldn't be able to punch N'Zoth to death. But re-originating his face, entirely? That'd make sense
unborn glacier
@distant folio Have you not done the Wration questline and read his journal?
distant folio
I haven't, but I remember the journal being datamined that's true, thanks!
limber mural
I'd roll with that. Cause while the reorigination laser was the only cool part of G'huun post-phase 1 it was cool
tropic trail
mhhh
twilit coral
video of 8.3 caracteristics and PTR today?
twilit coral
they have not announced any fix for bugs, they allways annunce that before the fix rigth?
terse patrol
@stiff vector 7.3 was announced on the 11th I think. So maybe next week?
stiff vector
it is possible, depends on how fast they want to go
and how much time they really have before blizzcon
sullen dawn
Announcement could happen next week but I wouldn't expect ptr before the 15th
zealous basalt
I say it will come with a livestream
oak wraith
I expect some interviews coming out next week. PCGamer posted some bit about WoW Classic layering today/yesterday (timezone), mentioning it's from "... an interview with game director Ion Hazzikostas, which will appear in full on the site early next week". So I'm expecting this one and more interviews to drop then, and possibly more from Blizz too.
marble briar
Maybe its just me lol but it seems all the furries like to stick together... Tauren Pandas and HM Tauren lol
dense plover
thats not a spoiler at all
i dont see how you thought that would be a spoiler at all
like, i figured it was gonna be about the war campaign?
marble briar
it is when the HM tauren Tauren and pandas are the only ones defending TB
marble briar
horde aint got time for furries LOL
sullen dawn
None of those are furries
Tauren are badass native american style warriors
Vulpera sure...
long blade
ptr update?
dense plover
literally nothing
bugfixes
as long as the version still says 8.2.5, it doesnt matter
uncut vault
Something interesting in the blizzcon art
Sylvanas has the daggers from the makgorah still
dense plover
well i mean, its probably the exact render
also she did flee with them
theyre probably the same daggers from the arthas cinematic at the start of bfa
its not too suprising that she would have daggers along with her bow
cant use a bow when someone is in your face
uncut vault
Do you mean from the warbringer? That was sword
The one she’s had at her hip up till 8.2.5, when she swapped to daggers/shortswords
tropic trail
I like those 2 daggers
uncut vault
But I’m more wondering how soon after 8.2.5 will the cinematic at blizzcon take place (assuming she’s in it which is likely)
Because she very notably had no arrows in reckoning
tropic trail
And Im really curious what Sylvanas, or Nathanos did now with the Dagger of the Black Empire
uncut vault
Well, chances are nobody’s using it for melee combat 😛
That dagger shape is pretty terrible for an actual dagger
dense plover
^
its moreso a channeling focus
and since its a dagger, you can sheathe it
vs a bigass eyeball thingy which kinda just needs to be held all the time
stiff vector
"as long as the version still says 8.2.5, it doesnt matter"
this is how they get you @dense plover
dense plover
but its almost always true
i could add an additional condition
if it still says the same patch number and is less than 100mb, then it doesnt matter
stiff vector
yeah thats better
they're still doing pretty minor content fixes
guess they did rush it a bit
plain vigil
I'm back beeee atches
tropic trail
Anyone else ready for the stream this upcoming week?
i bet we are getting news on Monday :p
round lake
I said the 14-19 so If son awesome
sullen dawn
Either announcement of stream tuesday and stream thursday or announcement of stream thursday and stream the week of 14-19 id guess
with ptr going up between 14-26th
forest sphinx
Either way, I'm excited 😃
zealous basalt
did they
probably they are going to make it all the month becuz special ocassion?
dense plover
tbh probably a bug
ionic terrace
I'm a bug
unborn glacier
I doubt Towellie knows anything. I think its more like the Mr.GM thing, where everyone thought he was talking about blizz
upper remnant
How much in advance do they announce their livestreams
I am even waiting for an announcement of an announcement
dense plover
2-3 days
if there is a stream this week, itll be on thursday and the announcement will be monday or tuesday
especially if its not a Q&A
upper remnant
Ok thanks 👍
unborn glacier
Remember after EP was cleared and we were all kinda disappointed about the cinematic? Mr.GM had poor timing and claimed there was something big coming. Everyone latched onto that, thinking he knew Blizz was hiding something. Turned out he was just going to announce that he was selected to become a Caster.
forest sphinx
Lol for Classic? Well, Towelliee pointed it towards a 8.3 announcement. He hasn’t been wrong with this before so I usually take his word
unborn glacier
Im not holding my breath for a streamer to know anything.
tropic trail
well streamers knew about classic release date before us maybe Blizzard told streamers something about either 15th Anniversary event or 8.3
unborn glacier
No, streamers guessed. We didn't have prior knowledge.
tropic trail
streamers guessed what?
unborn glacier
Guessed release
tropic trail
they didnt guessed they already knew they had the release date picture of Ragnaros.. well not going to talk about Classic here now since this is for PTR
trail meteor
there is a stream this week? for what?
hasty elbow
if there's one, it could be about 8.3
storm marsh
Announcing the live stream today to be scheduled for thursday. My bet.
dense plover
Today or tomorrow if it’s happening this week
forest sphinx
I would have to watch this channel like a hawk then on Thursday. I'm going to Disneyland on Thursday with some friends who are moving to Washington
dense plover
Enjoy Disneyland - channel will still be here the next day
dense plover
Looks like we might get something in just under 40 min
Some other streamers are dropping some hints
tropic trail
how you know?
ah well, yea I see streamers hinting shit too
they better dont troll
dense plover
It wouldn’t make sense for them to
This seems similar to what happened with 8.2
So they might do videos talking about it
Stream Thursday with content reveal
Ptr next week
tropic trail
I mean I trust Towelliee
dense plover
I don’t trust anyone
Fuck the police
🤣
But seriously don’t get your hopes high and you won’t be disappointed
tropic trail
thats right
dense plover
Logic says we should get a stream this week, but blizzard doesn’t do logic
tropic trail
I mean its not like it would kill me if there wont be anything
blizzcon is anyway like in 3 weeks
forest sphinx
I think they had another summit 8 days ago or so for the new content
forest sphinx
Towelliee slipped up and said they talked to Blizzard 8 days ago so in my mind that means they were there or something.
tropic trail
never trust mrgm
storm marsh
Really
round lake
Dont trust streamers they are a mistake
obtuse vine
Is this a new mission? It just appeared for me now and I never had it before 🤔
terse patrol
Nah, dont think so
obtuse vine
Ah, I thought it’s something new, I really got exited for a moment xd
tropic trail
Towelliee keeps teasing so if anything happens its in 3min lol
storm marsh
Which page should we check
tropic trail
dense plover
Yes it should be happening in 3 min
hollow granite
I've gotten that mission a few times on live
forest sphinx
Check the twitter as well folks
round lake
OMG!!!!
forest sphinx
?
tropic trail
what?
round lake
I dunno everyone said 3 minutes and its now 1pm so that was the 3 minute mark lol
forest sphinx
I'm on it right now
round lake
lol hyped for no reason
sullen dawn
Havent been on today why is there a meltdown haha
round lake
because towliee hyped up something
tropic trail
i feel that Towelliee is trolling
forest sphinx
I don't think so
round lake
im pretty sure he is
or he hyped himself up for something he heard from someone else and they were trolling him
forest sphinx
I don't think so. He's not the only streamer to be hyped up about something
round lake
they all do that and then it turns out to be nothing
languid yoke
maybe then one of muffinus' cats breathes
round lake
could also be nothing happens
then we get mad because nothing happened and blame blizzard for not saying something that we heard from streamers that they might say something
forest sphinx
I think there's something coming in game
hasty elbow
he might make another pug hat.
storm marsh
Watch them tweet the upcoming Sylvanas & Anduin PEPE skins
tropic trail
lol
hasty elbow
lmao
sullen dawn
Think they said check in 5 mins
limber mural
who's 'they' this time
dense plover
I think they’re waiting on a blue post
sullen dawn
The others
limber mural
bruh which others
sullen dawn
Jeffrey epstein
limber mural
oh this chat
sullen dawn
Yes the chat lol
limber mural
ugh tl;dr is it likely to mess over my raid tonight
sullen dawn
Itd just be an announcement if there is anything
strange falcon
THE OTHERS
uncut lintel
SHIT
dense plover
Awww
tropic trail
OMGH
uncut lintel
IWAS LAZY ON IT
tropic trail
ITS NOT CLASSIC
uncut lintel
OOF
strange falcon
post a link please o.o
hasty elbow
oh god
strange falcon
dont post spoilers for the other peeps in the chat e.e
tropic trail
its a spoilers chat tho..
tropic trail
told you
uncut lintel
x-x
night swift
WHAT THE FUCK
uncut lintel
there gonna waste nzoth???
dense plover
I swear to god. I can’t watch now but if he dies I’m gonna have an aneurism
Like it’s a free old god
dense plover
I can’t watch someone tell me if it’s dragon isles
forest sphinx
Will do
tropic trail
Nya alotha
dense plover
Nyalotha
dark furnace
Nice!
uncut lintel
vulpera ❤ o ❤
dense plover
The leak is dead
dense plover
Still don’t know zone
dark furnace
No zone I think
dark furnace
Revamped Vale of eternal blossoms?
languid yoke
those shoulders are quite ugly#
languid yoke
but at least top hats
tropic trail
holy shit
forest sphinx
Holy moly. This looks amazing so far
strange falcon
@night swift it's almost the exact same as greymane in Hots
tropic trail
Stormwind and Orgrimmar being attacked by Nzoth?
strange falcon
also they're making the AH like FFXIV,it was super clunky to use there,i hope its usable
tropic trail
oh dude thats awesome
I can now be like a douchebag to those who spammed on MMOC Sylvanas will b e 100% a Raid Boss because shes a Warbringer in BfA
uncut lintel
i might still be using my onesie
night swift
She’s a bringer of something alright
dark furnace
Changing Titanforging?
strange falcon
well,yeah,people wanted them
they liked mechagon,and now they're stuck with them forever
in the game
dark furnace
Alpaca not included 😦
dark furnace
Same
uncut lintel
Sadness lol
meager zodiac
mechagnomes are literaly a negative addition
adding nothing that gnomes dont provide in lore and aesthethics
while the horde gets something new
feels great
uncut lintel
:/
forest sphinx
I don't mind the allied races
uncut lintel
alliance gets one mount lol
dark furnace
What happened to the guy who predicted the Mechagnome heritage armor?
Everyone doubted him about the helmet
He seems to be right
night swift
Oh god dont bring him here
uncut lintel
lmao
night swift
He was nuts even besides the gnomes
uncut lintel
i forgot about that dude
lone marten
PTR GOES LIVE TODAY
uncut lintel
the new AH looks nicee
strange falcon
if it's like the FF auction,which it surely looks like
it's going to be an unwieldy clusterfuck
tropic trail
@distant folio looks like I was right. Sylvanas made it to the next xpac . Now its confirmed 🙂
Can I get a surprised pikachu emote
pls
dark furnace
Allied Race mounts is a must, right?
night swift
So is it just me, or is the goblin HA a little underwhelming
forest sphinx
8.3 out later today
night swift
Apart from the shoulder
strange falcon
@dark furnace hyena and mechaspider i'd assume
meager zodiac
vulpera allied race vs mechagnomes what a wonderful difrence
strange falcon
vulpera were basically confirmed from the amount of evidence
smoky mural
oh and the war is over but here have a heroic darkshore warfront
smoky mural
still fucking dumb
night swift
That or the nelfs are still fucking pissed
Why is it dumb
It’d be weird to only have arathi warfront have heroic
vivid harness
We just got a new zone in 8.2
night swift
...
forest sphinx
This is going to be a fun time
night swift
The big patches bring new zones
smoky mural
no
forest sphinx
I'll be working all day today I guess lol
uncut lintel
cant wait to be my little fuzzy foxxy
storm marsh
I dk what to say. Mechagnomes 🤮🤮🤮
uncut lintel
in my onesie
smoky mural
nyalotha the raid not a zone
uncut lintel
i dont like mechagnomes so iwont even try to get them :/
night swift
Me neither
uncut lintel
and if i reach exalted one day i aint unlocking em
brave ingot
Nope
vernal juniper
so as I thoug, no thinkers, new race on 9.0 will be necromancer, we all die on 8.3 vz nzoth
night swift
These new ARs are meh, but cool for people who wanted them
uncut lintel
i wanted sethrak but i knew it couldnt work ; - ;
night swift
I mean
sullen dawn
So happy about mechagnomes
sullen dawn
Meh on vulpera but mechagnomes hypeee
uncut lintel
good point
languid yoke
it's not about sethrak not working
uncut lintel
i guess no one likes snakes ;-;
languid yoke
it's about sethrak not having close ties to any faction
storm marsh
Alliance didnt get nice allied races since void elves. Im honest
night swift
Now thats not true
uncut lintel
i liked LFD
night swift
Kul Tirans and Dark Iron are great
vernal juniper
@sullen dawn remember me? Told you tinker will be not on the game, my idea of necromancer is stronger than ever now 😄
dark furnace
Goblin and Gnome both have Tinker esque heritage armor
night swift
They could at it in next xpac
sullen dawn
Who said no tinkers?
vivid harness
the goblin armor is trash wtf
uncut lintel
id love a new class
sullen dawn
They'd be 9.0 if anything g
dark furnace
When do you think the PTR is going up?
night swift
Slock apparently
uncut lintel
today
plain vigil
I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE MECHAGNOMES HERATAGE SET 😭😂
dark furnace
There he is
vernal juniper
we are going to necromancer, and Sylvanas used necromancer spell on the cinematic, that's my idea.
night swift
Oh no
sullen dawn
Tinkers are still likely
uncut lintel
mechagnomes scare me
vernal juniper
yeah
dark furnace
In how long?
night swift
They could be cool, but their armor just being an npc armor is boring
dark furnace
I need to see what mounts they gave the Allied races
I think the mechagnomes are cool
sullen dawn
❤ mechagnomes
meager zodiac
mechagnomes literaly dont even get
uncut lintel
robot spider
meager zodiac
a unique armor
its a npc thing
that they splashed on them
3 pieces of gear
and they are not even unique
one side gets an unique race with good reactions and a exclusive story for the horde
the other gets a cheap reskin with limited transmog, in a neutral storyline where teh horde was more heroic
true musk
What classes do mrchanomes get though, can't imagine them being anything
uncut lintel
lol
meager zodiac
they literaly dont show anything about their culture in mechagon
you dont see mages
you dont see priests
you dont see anything
they are just tinkers: the race
dark furnace
Imagine they have all classes
meager zodiac
and the normal gnomes are already like that
what .. what is this even for???
the people that play gnomes already have their characthers,
true musk
Wish they had shaman but don't think it makes sense
dark furnace
Lightbulb Paladins
uncut lintel
robots
plain vigil
Me @meager zodiac
uncut lintel
lol
uncut lintel
they should of made vote
uncut lintel
mechagnomes or sethrak
night swift
Sethrak
uncut lintel
^
plain vigil
That's not how game development works, and that would screw over Gnome fans
meager zodiac
ANYTHING would have won
uncut lintel
just do voting thing like they did with limited trike mounts
meager zodiac
game development also wants to make money
night swift
An actual interesting race that never got a lot of spotlight past leveling
meager zodiac
do you think anyone is going to ever spend money on this nonsense?
dont be delusional
tropic trail
so Nzoth last boss anyone dissapointed lol
meager zodiac
and if you think normal gnomes will get ANYTHING after this
you are also delusional
normal gnomes are now a dead race
night swift
No
meager zodiac
because they are going to introduce a better version of gnomes
uncut lintel
lol mechagnomes gonna be least played race
dark furnace
Nightborne and Void Elves beg to differ
flint meteor
it was pretty obvious he would be the last boss
meager zodiac
why would you ever write about normal gnomes when you have better gnomes in the story
plain vigil
I assure you, no delusions here. I made a prediction, prediction was right.
meager zodiac
and im also making another prediction
that normal gnomes will disapear
completly
from the story and the world
uncut lintel
why they kill nzoth so early o-o
meager zodiac
because their one niche is completly taken
night swift
Who knows, we might not even win
meager zodiac
and dont flatter yourself, blissard is immensly out of touch and has dont nothing but stupidity with bfa
night swift
Just cause he’s a raid boss doesnt mean he dies
uncut lintel
i hope we dont
night swift
Look at SoO
night swift
Garrosh was just knocked out
meager zodiac
you having the same thinking process as blissard is nothing to be happy about
uncut lintel
wait he was?
upper remnant
also RiP the leak for the one defending it tooth and nails despite everything pointing against it
uncut lintel
thats why i was so confused
plain vigil
I'm pretty happy may 🙂
dark furnace
There is no way we win over Nzoth
meager zodiac
"you can play a gnome with a robot arm or a leg" the way he said that in the video
dark furnace
How would the story move forward?
meager zodiac
he is aware no one is going to play that race
uncut lintel
nzoth slaps us with big ghost tenticle and wins lul
night swift
We lose and he destroys azeroth/azeroth wakes up
night swift
They’ve been leading up to her doing something
dark furnace
What other Gnome race would they pick?
meager zodiac
they could have done the same thing as teh vulpera
and create a new one that we meet in kultiras
dark furnace
They did
flint meteor
lol
meager zodiac
with the same culture and history
meager zodiac
they could have had the minimal foresight
to create a duo
but they didnt because screw the alliance
uncut lintel
aww that bottom dude looks fo ckin cute
flint meteor
they literally said magni would push forth upon azeroth power to help us deal with nzoth
uncut lintel
I WANNA HUG HIM
sullen dawn
the raid does
dark furnace
The Alliance got a whole new rig with custom animations for their last allied race
lone marten
yh
flint meteor
art team is so fuking good
dark furnace
Probably free
sullen dawn
looks like she's getting drained
meager zodiac
oh wow great awesome , so now the aliiance should get a compelty atrocious thing compared to the vulpera?
upper remnant
Zandalari still outdoes Kultirans
meager zodiac
mechagnoms are all the issues with allied races shoved into one
sullen dawn
someone make sure @dense plover is ok with no dragon isles
meager zodiac
all the criticism that people have said from day one
night swift
A race of robot people with unique models, verses furry goblins
meager zodiac
into an ugly package that cant even use transomg
said race that we already have
unique models
dark furnace
Didnt Ion say the legs and arms were optional?
sullen dawn
personally i think mechagnomes are the coolest allied race so far
meager zodiac
that make transmog half baren
flint meteor
btw
meager zodiac
they are not optional
dark furnace
At least the most unique Toby
night swift
They are the most unique for their bodies
upper remnant
Mechagnomes feels like a customisation option tbh
sullen dawn
do we know classes for new allied races btw?
meager zodiac
literaly every single thing about their personaliyy and cultura
night swift
No
meager zodiac
is a 1 to 1 of gnomes
sullen dawn
gief mechagnome paladin
upper remnant
What's the point of playing a regular gnome now
dark furnace
Mechagon is very different from Gnomeregan
night swift
Besides the obvious hunter and warrior
meager zodiac
its basicaly the same race but "deluxe"
replace all the mechagnomes in that zone by gnomes obssesed with robots
what changes
sullen dawn
no different to lightforged being deluxe draenei
plain vigil
Dragon isles is probably going to be a major content in 9.0 then @sullen dawn
uncut lintel
mmmm
meager zodiac
and that is a good thing?
uncut lintel
to me yes
meager zodiac
literaly lightforged got tons of criticism for that said thing
flint meteor
is it me or the entrance to nyalotha is that portal in the emerald dream where we saw when we went to help the green dragonflight in the hoa quest.
sullen dawn
or mag'har are deluxe orcs?
meager zodiac
on anything that was said about allied races
sullen dawn
except they did, cos mechagnomes are amazing
night swift
^^ Toby
meager zodiac
bringing up mistakes of the past doesnt justify the new ones
flint meteor
there was a part which was totally taken and a red kinda portal was there
meager zodiac
ugh you cant get good taste it seems
sullen dawn
it's not a mistake, if the majority of allied races follow this theme
it's just what allied races are
they're not 'new races'
sullen dawn
they are
night swift
They are
sullen dawn
they're goblins with tails
meager zodiac
they share a model but are culturaly and in looks a difrent race,
night swift
And have a whole storyline to follow in voldun
meager zodiac
are you telling me ascended shamans and ethereals are teh same race?
sullen dawn
just like mechagnomes
meager zodiac
mechagnoems have no difrences besides looks to gnomes
they are a repeat
a negative addition
upper remnant
Lightforged being draenei but better was bad but draenei have the arcane and shamanism going for them
Gnomes are literally JUST about mech they have nothing left
sullen dawn
stop moving the goal posts
plain vigil
I'll say it again, allied races are just sub races except Vulpera... Excited to see what we'll be getting for Worgen and Undead
meager zodiac
what are the goal posts? your delusion mechagnomes are good?
terse patrol
So
meager zodiac
so horde can get an exception
sullen dawn
you're literally saying 1 rule for these guys, and 1 rule for these. maybe you can't see the difference in culture between gnomes and mechagnomes bu it's big
meager zodiac
but the alliance has to be contended with these trash gnomes
@sullen dawn spell it
sullen dawn
ok you don't like them we get it
night swift
An allied race
plain vigil
I personally think Vulpera and goblins share an ancestor but have to way to prove it @meager zodiac
meager zodiac
what is their difrent focus and tastes?
terse patrol
8.3: no new zones. Reused assets galore with tentacles and a handful of new Old God assets slapped on.
night swift
Not unique enough to be a new race, but different enough to be an AR
meager zodiac
a rivalry with gnomes?
sullen dawn
chiiiiilll
meager zodiac
oh wow such a nice amount of difrences
terse patrol
This feels like a .5 patch with a full sized raid.
coral jolt
wrathion helps us power a legendary cloak, are we in Mists?
plain vigil
We'll find out about classes later today
meager zodiac
a system is supposed to grow and to evolve according to player feedback
sullen dawn
curious about the new essences
meager zodiac
saying they should just ignore all criticism because they have done it before is suepr sillya
upper remnant
Liking their models is fine
But on the story / lore side they are detrimental to it
meager zodiac
and vulpera are obviously much smart use of the goblin model
it has enough difrences to be unique
while still being a reskin
and it got massive praise and love from day one
whole sparrow
this just means expansion is def a thing at blizzcon
night swift
Thats literally what an allied race is
terse patrol
“Look guys, we fixed Vale of Eternal Blossoms, it was hard work! (We totally didn’t rip the textures and geosets from pre-Siege of Orgrimmar.”
meager zodiac
and figured how much of a difrence mechagnomes and vulpera are in terms of quality?
and not only in quality, but uniqueness to what they add to the faction
mechagnomes canabilize what gnomes do
they are better than gnomes in every single way since all gnomes have is tech
plain vigil
They don't have the same morals as gnomes May. Just like green orcs and mag'har
meager zodiac
what morals?
cause the morals we are getting
are teh ones we helped in the rebelion
and they are 100000 % equal to all otehr gnomes wee have seen before
0 difrences
coral jolt
I just started watching the actual dev content update video (instead of just reading)...I don't know if it's just me but when I hear Ian talk now I srsly just want something to hit him upside the head anymore, idk
night swift
They dont care about keeping their flesh
meager zodiac
dont the gnomes that we help are okay with keeping pieces of their flesh and dont want to remove it all?
or are we getting the evil ones that come back to life from the dungeon
prince erazim is such a non gnomish characther
🙄
btw this is the king mechagon armor done again, such creativity
plain vigil
I mean I called this months ago...
steel venture
ugh.
ugh.
ughhh.
she completed her end of the deal properly blizz, please be creative and not make her a mindless puppet to throw at us for a redux of her palace fight?
plain vigil
I quite like the set
meager zodiac
because you are okay with mediocre additions doesnt mean i should
steel venture
she literally is the ONLY one who made a deal with n'zoth and technically succeeded so why is she being bound like she failed?
upper remnant
Nightborne have focus on other schools of magic than belves
Hm tauren are a lot more about the eagle and moose aesthetic
Kultirans have all the sea and spooky stuff
Zandalari have the golden empire look and are a lot different than trolls
DI have a focus on fire which dwarves haven't
Magahr focus on tech and bring draenor races with them plus are a fan favorite with different clans
mechagnomes are just gnomes with better tech
plain vigil
Then leave you opinions to yourself or take them to the forums 🙂
night swift
Gandem we know you called it, but it doesnt mean its very good
meager zodiac
especialy ones that any person with 2 braincelss and a basic market research would know that its a terrible idea
night swift
Its just the npc armor
meager zodiac
you can always block me luv
plain vigil
Blocking you won't change what I see in here May 🙂
The set looks great. Vulpera also got NPC armor... I don't get why y'all are upset
upper remnant
It's not the model
meager zodiac
show me where are the npcs
that use that heriatage set
cause the mechagnomes set is literaly dungeon mobs and the last boss
reused and recycled
and this is 4 original pieces they created
its freaking disrespectfull
plain vigil
plain vigil
There's diffences... But there's also diffences for the Mechagnomes
meager zodiac
AND THE TOP
uncut vault
Boy howdy, I’m ready for regular gnomes to disappear from what little story they have in Blizz’s effort to make it seem like they care about this allied race
meager zodiac
but but porter
this race is necessary for gnome fans
its totaly not a canabilizing addition
plain vigil
Like Tauren did @uncut vault ?
steel venture
... tbh im not shocked that they put more effort into the worgen/goblin heritage gears though.
its not ... hard to gain rep with these mechagnomes or vulpera.
steel venture
so its literally more cannibalization of races. sigh
meager zodiac
i know its hard when you have your head up your own ass, but loook at this set and see how unique it is to other npcs
mighty wolf
what if Azshara will need da healing? 🤔
meager zodiac
there is difrence betwen being inspired
and being a copy
the gnome one is a copy
steel venture
gnomes get overshadowed by mechagnomes.
draenei get overshadowed by lightforged
standard orcs get overshadowed by mag'har
highmountain tauren LITERALLY COMPLETELY REPLACE standard tauren. baine is the only major one we see repeatedly.
sullen dawn
stop insulting people who disagree
like, you're just coming across as an angry child
sullen dawn
.....
meager zodiac
steel venture
its only the allied races that aren't "this but slightly better" that don't completely nuke out their counterparts
upper remnant
And even then nile, the gnomes are the worst iteration of this because gnomes had only one theme to begin with
While the other races have some different sub themes
meager zodiac
what will gnomes do now
we literaly have 2 races sharing one theme
gnomes already barely had any content
now there is a better, shinier version of them
obtuse vine
Ptr down !
steel venture
with robot parts
literally the only difference between mechagon gnomes and regular gnomes is the mechanization.
that's ... it.
meager zodiac
wich is something normal gnomes would probably do
that is literaly something they in mechagon
sullen dawn
honestly, i'd like to discuss all the points of 8.3, not just your perception of mechagnomes being of lesser quality to vulperas, but it's spamming up the channel so gonnablock ya
uncut lintel
jesus
meager zodiac
would like to do to themselves
steel venture
which is something normal gnomes HAVE done in artwork
meager zodiac
what is THE POINT?
and im 10000 % sure
mechagnomes took more time to get the models
and more money
in an idea that doesnt make sense in any way ,shape or form
how is blissard aproving something like this
tranquil steeple
then direct your frustration about it at blizzard instead of us
make a forum post
steel venture
because they didn't want to give us sethrak since there wasn't an alliance counterpart to the vol'dunai rep that made sense.
and they didnt wanna give us tortollans either. :/
tranquil steeple
get traction from the community
sullen dawn
ptr has gone down guys
steel venture
mechagnomes should've been like? customization, not an allied race, imo. The theme overlaps too much.
meager zodiac
i would have taken the ankoan
good public reaction, conections to the jinyu, exclusive alliance content
plain wave
are they both neutral ? or faction split ?
uncut lintel
mika, vulpera for horde, mechagnomes for alliance
meager zodiac
vulpea horde
steel venture
ankoan are 100% alliance-allied. the unshackled are the horde variant
meager zodiac
and also why make the horde interact so well with mechagnomes
meager zodiac
if you play trough mechagon, the horde side is more heroic
night swift
That is friendly to them
meager zodiac
than the alliance side
tranquil steeple
because the leader of the expedition to mechagon is more self-centered than the horde one
terse patrol
Mechagnomes feels like Blizzard just doesn’t give a damn.
tranquil steeple
and is pretty much just there for fame
terse patrol
“Here’s Mechagon’s recycled armor.”
steel venture
... mm
pause.
actual reason we get mechagnomes:
there's a female model.
that's the only reason.
sethrak, tortollans, and ankoan all only have one model variant.
night swift
^
uncut lintel
idc about mechagnomes but im not gonna complain about them for an hour
tropic trail
I mean if you Mained a DH you kinda just don’t care about the new races lol
night swift
Me neither Rani
sullen dawn
hoping tinker is next expansions class so i can make a sweeeeeet mechagnome tinker
all hail mechagnomes
night swift
Nah
meager zodiac
mechagnomes should have been a costumization option for heroic class tinkers
uncut lintel
id like to be a vulpera tinker if that was possible
steel venture
:/ despite those all being more interesting racial options, they don't have modeled, distinct females, so they don't make the cut. and mechagnomes it is.
night swift
Glad I went horde now lol
tropic trail
They should just release 8.3 now so we have something to do for the month until blizcon comes out
uncut lintel
O_O
tropic trail
And goes 9.0 and we wait 6 months for it 👀
flint meteor
dats assuming tinkers are even a thing
night swift
Thats
sullen dawn
8.3 in december is more likely now i think anyway
flint meteor
its all speculation
night swift
A really dumb idea Haruko
obtuse vine
Realms have updated to 8.3 now
sullen dawn
ptr realms?
obtuse vine
Yep
tropic trail
I mean I got nothing else to do so xD
uncut lintel
are they up?
obtuse vine
They’re down
night swift
Then play another game
uncut lintel
rip
sullen dawn
@obtuse vine cool can you keep us updated?
terse patrol
The Vulpera have a custom set with cool 3D assets. Mechagnomes got Mechagon’s set from 8.1
strange falcon
@steel venture sethrak DO have female npc voices,sethraliss is confirmed female,and we still need a worgen related allied race for the last batch of 2
tropic trail
Nah rather play wow but ty for the suggestion
woeful quiver
obtuse vine
No client out yet @sullen dawn
night swift
I mean you could level alts
night swift
Or prep for the heritage armors or races
uncut lintel
my friend this xpac is alt unfriendly
sullen dawn
im sure @stiff vector is at the ready 😄
uncut lintel
said*
stiff vector
PTRs updated to 8.3.0.32044, no client yet