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sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:06 PM

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shes not even evil in the grand scheme

pulsar iris Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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people still say that using magic is cheating in makgora jesus

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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People liking Sylv or not Is good

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Burning people to death isn't evil guys you heard it here

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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suddenly removing her alliances to the forsaken and their culture to make a bonafide villain with none of her previous traits? she has been badly written, barely showcassed

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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No, using two weapons in mak'gora is cheating

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One weapon

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Magic that literally 2-3 mages had no idea wtf it was

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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She took the blades in, killing him with magic was thus cheating

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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a well written sylvannas wouldnt have that in the first place, she literaly refutes agaist garrosh to do something similar because she feared of what the alliance would do to lordaeron

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that is on tides of war btw

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Ya ya

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Bad writting

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Yada yada

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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the difference between sylvanas and garrosh is garrosh was dumb about it

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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it is bad writting tho?

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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and had zero sense of self preservation

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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For your eyes

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:08 PM

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its bad writing bruh

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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anyway people who insist sylvanas wouldn't have done this anywhere in her character development, given the position, make me lol

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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its careless, flashy, shallow story that is okay if you dont think about it

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Tilted and Winter for example like how it is going

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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but the moment you think about it, it falls apart

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Are they in the wrong?

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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She has never cared further forsaken

limber mural Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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sigh time for my footer to every post in the internet

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'your opinions are not and will never be facts, shut up'

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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she has tho? in the various cataclysm quests, edge of night, etc etc

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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^

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Ya shut up yall

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This is like a bomb about to explode noe

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Sylvanas had her own way for caring about the Forsaken. She even repeats it in the 8.2.5 loyalists end cinematic

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They have always been a means to an end for her

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:11 PM

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and putting sylvannas into warchief position only to destroy her instead of giving her the arch they promissed at the beggining of legion, and even in the first bfa cinematic that painted a completly difrent picture

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or even developing her in any fashion, she just plots and does maniacal laughter in the background while alluding to some "scheme" and tell us to wait and see

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Isn’t Bwansamdi serving someone? Could it be Death? And could’ve it been who influenced Vol'jin to made a pact with Sylvanas?

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:12 PM

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yeah he has an unamed boss

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Bob salami doesn't like Sylv

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Yada yada

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:14 PM

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What arch?

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Evil Banshee is evil?

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We've know that since WC3

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Still think a raid on Stormwind is happening?

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Idk

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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yeh

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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no they first promoted that sylvannas was going to make a choice and see that the horde is worth fighting for, wich is a good story for briging a dark characther to the center, they didnt do anything with it and went into a direction that ruined her

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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"ruin"

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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the horde was a means to an end for sylvanas

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Except she's always seen the Horde as a tool and nothing else?

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It's been said since Cata?

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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to have a war which would kill enough people to send souls to the shadowlands

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Classic

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Yeah. I’m going to go against the grain here and say that even though I don’t agree with everything they’re doing, I’m loving the story so far.

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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why make her warchief at the cost of voljin if this is all they decided to do with her?

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Etc

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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same kingvalnismil

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Why was Varian killed?

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If this is all they did with Anduin

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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comparing varian death to voljin is a preeety gross stupidity

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voljin had 2 seconds as warchief

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varian had years of development across multiple forms of media

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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It was meant to say "oh hell the Legion is dangerous"

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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So did Vol’Jin

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Besides, he's likely to come back as a Loa

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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as warchief? no not realy

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:18 PM

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No but he still had media to grow. Yes, they cut his time short but he was a filler. I don’t think he was ever meant to last.

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:19 PM

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so you dont see an issue with the characther we saw grow over the years and in mists of pandaria

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being cut short for drama and for a replacement whose only actions are to repeat the "horde is the villains" story?

tranquil steeple Sep 25, 2019, 7:19 PM

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last i saw

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anduin isn't even following the usual "horde is the villains" thing

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he's just fighting sylvanas

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and by extent, whatever's in the way to reaching her

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:20 PM

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but 8.0- 8.1 had that story with teldrassil burning

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and darkshore

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and even neutral parties turning on the horde, repeating mists of pandaria beat by beat

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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But isn’t that war?

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That’s what happens when someone corrupted takes the helm of anything?

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I guess WoTLK and TBC were the same then

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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are you arguing that bfa isnt basicaly mists of pandaria?

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to the "lets be friends again and work together " in 8.2

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Because it isnt

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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to the invasion of ogrimmar

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jaina and lorthermar having the same stage

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Orgrimmar wasnt invaded

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yes. I think each expansion has its own merits. I think you’re looking too far into it.

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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oh right, we stoped at the gates

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that is the point imo

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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You sound petulant

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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people that are satisfied with the shallow stuff will be fine

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the moment you think about this story, it falls apart

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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BFA is in no way MoP

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For starters there's no Pandas

tranquil steeple Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I'm neither okay with it nor not okay with it

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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oh right sorry sorry, going into a new land and fixing all of their internal issues

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titan lore, zandalari trolls

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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You write a better one then

tranquil steeple Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I'm waiting with passing my judgment on it until the end of the expansion

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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a massive destruction event at the start

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an angry leader that has a look change

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Except Jaina didnt have a look change?

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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her hair?

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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difference being syvlanas doesnt get nuts, shes been planning this for years

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Theramore got bombed, and she was pissed about it well into Legion

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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*go

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Im sorry people age

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Her hair hasn’t changed Theramore.

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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...

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WHAT

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WHAT

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her hair

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WENT WHITE

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BECAUSE OF THE MANA BOMB

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Damn yana

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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maythemoon you need to chill out

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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You are that oblivious

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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i mean im sorry but this is like

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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That you bit the hook

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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tbh i didnt think it was a joke from everything else posted

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I can’t explain it correctly on a phone lol

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:24 PM

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O wait

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Wasn't bait

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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yeah it wasnt

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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King

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The mana bomb changed her hair

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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You're taking it too seriously

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Mana fallout

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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I know it did lol

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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But ehatever

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BFA BAD, EXPAC GOOD

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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yeh..waaaaaaay too seriously

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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UPVOTE TO LEFT

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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wow is never good in terms of writting

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but at least its somewhat fun

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:25 PM

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It's fun to see you raging

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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bfa only remarkable thing is doing the most obvious, yet boring and awfull choices

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I’ve been a fan of the story since WoTLK and started to collect the books since then as well. Not saying I’m a historian but I am a huge fan of it all.

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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For you

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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yeh i reall enjoy the story

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Bfa had good story at launch for the zones

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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worldbulding is never weak

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I wasn't expecting Saurfang to just die

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Or for thrall to come back

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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it just falls apart when it comes to overarching plots

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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the thing i like about bfa is its setting up the next 5-8 years of story for wow

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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The KT zones and Jaina’s story were really good

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:26 PM

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because we know their way of writting the story isnt the most... organized

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Except stormsong valley

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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since they write around cinematics-realy big flashy moments

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Really? You seriously think that?

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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and then write the bits

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i think it was comfirmed in a bunch of interviews, im not sure so take it with salt

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Someone doesnt understand writing then

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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i can search for the source

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i mean blissard obviously dont lol

mighty wolf Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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also there are absolutely no old gods in this expansion khadgarface

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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why do some of you guys insult eachother over opinions?

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Morally gray

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Because we are brats that don't like our stories ruined

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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"thats stupid" "you dont understand the lore" "you dont get writing"

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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🍿

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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like this isn't how conversations should happen 😛

meager zodiac Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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im saying blizzard has a bad writing team and they dont respect continuity and their writing process is a second fiddle to gameplay and the "big moments"

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Then apply for their writting team?

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Should I mention the writing team is now on break

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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I’m out. I need to step away from this. You obviously are one of those people who will tear the team apart limb from limb when the story doesn’t go your way.

pulsar iris Sep 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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@mighty wolf why would there be any old gods involved? this is an expansion about faction war, isn't it?

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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It's a morally grey too

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But it's good king, things are getting wsy to heated because we like how things went

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Which means we don't care about lore

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I just don’t want to “open mouth, insert foot” kind of thing you know?

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Don't know what it means

agile token Sep 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Personally I am a big fan of where it all went and goes, we've gone back to the story roots. We needed this direction, we can't just keep on going with "war" with no end

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I don’t want to say something wrong or insult anyone. I think we are all here for one main reason and that’s the passion we have for the game ❤️

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I'm with you two

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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^^

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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If you like the story, good for you

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If you don't, you have the right

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But what you don't have the right for, is for telling peeps that they are ignorant for liking it

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 7:36 PM

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agreed

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same with peole saying you don't know the lore you're igorant, when SPECULATING about POSSIBLE future lore

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channel would be a lot nicer if we respected eachotehrs opinions

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Agreed ❤️ This is why I love working for the site. The community and staff are amazing!

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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You work for the site?

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I think King is a guide writer

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Are you the Pally writter

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stare

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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No sir. I just edit stuff right now 😄

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Very well

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You shall live for another day

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Bahahaha

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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i hope that next patch the eye of nzoth gets used.. im so tired of having it..

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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We will see! I’m going to dive into the 8.3 PTR

pulsar iris Sep 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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wait there is 8.3 ptr already?

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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no

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Nah I doubt we’ll see ptr stuff until blizzcon

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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That’s too long of a wait I think

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8.3 PTR in 2 to 3 weeks max I think.

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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True

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Livestream

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Maybe 8.3.5 info at blizzcon

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And then 9.0

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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With new classes, new exps, new all

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It's WoW 1.5

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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See if that level squish is true

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I hope

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So they can have a nice excuse on reworking the classes

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Same

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Me too. I’m level 71 in the Outlands right now

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Classes need a rework, cause once the HoA stuff is gone it’ll be awful to play again

forest sphinx Sep 25, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I’ve been leveling an alliance toon when I can.

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I’m leveling a horde toon for the Heritage set

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And actually see the horde side story in bfa

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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you tr8tor

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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who is the traitor?

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Can’t be a traitor if your character’s backstory is he came in shortly after the fourth war 😉

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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jock

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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lol

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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BOI

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IT AINT EVEN ONE DAY

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Lol

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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its been more than 24hrs :)

toxic adder Sep 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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for the Horde , I mean FORSAKEN

mystic heart Sep 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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I hope 8.3 PTR will be during blizzcon

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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it will probably be a week after

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Idk forsaken are kinda for the horde now that their leader left

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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^

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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She says she still cares, but who knows anymore

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 8:00 PM

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i dont think she cares

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she wants to kill us all

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:00 PM

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There is

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 8:00 PM

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lol

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:00 PM

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A talk between forsaken

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I can’t wait to see her ditch Nathanos after he confessed his love

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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lol

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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no dude

tropic trail Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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cant wait to "defeat" her on 8.3 :)

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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even if I am not horde

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it will hurt

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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“Defeat”

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:01 PM

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to see another dude getting rekt like that

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:07 PM

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just

📎 firefox_BOK4ejpOqJ.png

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Yes, the plane exists

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It's where we go when we die

toxic adder Sep 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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no 42 elf virgins waiting for me, damn

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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42

toxic adder Sep 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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xD

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Why that specific numbuh

toxic adder Sep 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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the necromatic jesus

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just jk man

craggy nexus Sep 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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I think I came back to this in the wrong place.

junior prairie Sep 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Tink tink!

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I dont get it

junior prairie Sep 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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tinker-belle :3

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:13 PM

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ah

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:17 PM

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usually when the new patch ptr?

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is like 1-2 weeks from the release of previus patch?

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can we have 8.3 ptr like mid ish October?

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:18 PM

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chances

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Either mid to late october or on/after blizzcon

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So between 16th oct and 5th Nov most likely

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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can be something bad for us if they announce 8.3 and 9.0 on blizzcon?

pulsar iris Sep 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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why would it be bad?

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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they steal each other scene so we get fewer info about each

pulsar iris Sep 25, 2019, 8:33 PM

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i would believe 8.3 would have a lot of info to share, and 9.0 mostly the theme or a cinematic, but not a lot of info about it?

unborn glacier Sep 25, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I find it funny that the same people who, just yesterday, when the cinematics dropped, were crying foul are now the people saying how wonderful it is. X3

A hypocrisy by any other name....

No, I don't like the way they've turned Sylvanas into a 2D flat villian. It hurt to see blizz have her abandon the Forsaken of all people. As cliche as it is now, I was still hoping there was a Kerrigan 2.0 thing going on, but we got Garry 2.0
Yet another Horde Warchief turned epic douche villian. I really liked Garry going into MoP, I just couldn't stand his racial supremacy and racism towards the other Horde races. I love Sylvanas as this once noble hero turned down a darker anti-hero path, her life filled with tragedy and suffering. I want to see where blizz goes with this, I'm am interested in the fact she doesn't turn her loyalists away.

These are my feelings on the matter. Agree or disagree, that is your prerogative. I don't expect to change minds.

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:34 PM

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usually If I can remember correctly they announce Always the new features thing, and maybe the cinematic too for new expantion (happened only at legion). They never announce only the cinematic 1st or I'm wrong?. In this case if they announce the feature thing, they steal each other time.

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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No

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Iirc

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its like

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a feature thing

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this time they announced the whole thing

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:38 PM

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they also need to do panles to talk about it, well we will see

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I hope to see a raid on 8.3 where we lose (lore part), ofcouse with loots.

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I'm quite bored to do raid where we always win (lore)

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like bring a boss to 1 %, boss bubble, mass spell. All dead. end of bfa.

unborn glacier Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Maybe in facing Nzoth, we lose

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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this will be great

unborn glacier Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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It'll be refreshing

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:40 PM

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I really hope so is 15 Years of raid and winning on lore part

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we need a twist

unborn glacier Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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When you lose, it just makes your next win so much sweeter

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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yeah and also refreshing 😄

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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It could be the beggining of the cuckings by Blizzard's part

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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as you said

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imagine only if for example, on 8.3 will go vs sylvanas, at 1% she enter on undead form like on pet battles and she cast the spell used on saurfang on all the raid! Since is a new kind of magic, bubble cloak iceblock will not works. All dies. End of Bfa. How cool it will be.

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yeah this can be a reach on the missing ring with the "shadowland leak" but something else on the lore like that, something when players lose the fight (but get the reward at the end of the fight) will introduce something where we can lose.

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and not always defeat final boss and live long and prosper

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 8:51 PM

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I thought they said she wasn't gonna be a raid boss

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 8:58 PM

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its pretty much confirmed its nzoth

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she might appear in the end thou since she said he too will server death maybe she gonna pull a thrall and ks

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😂

night swift Sep 25, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Maybe she’s gonna come in after we defeat him, kill him, and then raise him to serve her

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With that dark magic everyone was asking about after the makgora

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Imho can't be nzoth

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of he is, he will. There is no way they will burn an old god in this poor way.

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He basically the most powerfull treat right now and he basically do nothing so far

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Years without an old gold, they can't "kill him" after 1 parch from his escape

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:16 PM

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...

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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nzoth is last boss off 9.3 i still think

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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ion said we would know who would be the endboss at eternal palace cinematic, and we got also now wrathion and sylvanas saying so

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its nzoth even if you want to deny

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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hell probs make an appearance in 8.3 but not be boss

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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the final phase is about ally vs horde

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so

austere gazelle Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I think the last boss will be nzoth but will pull an escape or killing him is part of his master plan

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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it isnt horde and alliance are togheter

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now

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no more war

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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its sylvanas i think

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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like..

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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it can be anyone the final boss

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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if a dev says we will know by the cinematic

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how can you deny it

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Blizzard said a lot of lies in the past and wrong things

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so

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dude they sai lies over lies on legion

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:19 PM

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then its 3 lies we got right now

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:19 PM

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don't trust anything on what they says D

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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theres 3 evidences saying so so far

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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On legion, they said ad start "legendary are without any resctriction bla bla" exorcus made a statement to dimostrate the lie, blizzard said "yes we lied"

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so, be care on what they said

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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the cinematic where he got freed, wrathion, sylv

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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can be also a raid vs horde

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the loyalist are still there

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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what horde..

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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and they are horde

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and the cinematic said "ally vs horde"

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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not even an army

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😂

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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who knows

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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youre putting too much emphasis on youll 'know who the final boss is after 8.2'

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it was an offhand comment to taliesen in a influencer show and tell

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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i mean i wasnt before now im because theres 2 other evidences saying so

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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if you follow the leak it can be a raid like "escape for azeroth" where she is going on shadowlands

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noone know what happens

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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wrathion and sylvanas flat out tell you that

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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tell you what?

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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...

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nzoth being the one we face

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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they tell you "..."?

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im not saying we wont fight nzoth

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ofc we will

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i just dont think we'll beat him (or even fight him properly but we could) this expansion

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Can't be the corrupted tauren the final boss if wration fail the heal?

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as you can see a lot of things are still there

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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he'll be involved in some regard yeh

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exactly slock

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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he healed him already?

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ebonhorn

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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nzoth i assume will have presence

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but not actually be fightable. kinda like sargeras

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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since is the 1st elixir can have side effect, and he can be even more corrupter after 1 week

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who knows

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they can invent whatever they want

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1st try, bad try, second try will work. Happens all the times on movies

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:25 PM

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i mean im up for a black empire xpac

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:25 PM

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me too Nzoth deserve more than 1 patch

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there is no way they will burn hin in 6 months content

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if we will be the final boss thats mean, imho that the shadowlnds leak is real and we all die

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you can't beat and just escaped old god who works with sylvanas (alive) and azshara alive.

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if it will be, it means that on the final raid you will need to beat, azshara and sylvanas too. This is not logical imho.

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:30 PM

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sylv aint working with the old gods

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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she working with "death"

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azshara is working with nzoth and they are workign with death

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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she did a bargain with azshara god knows what was it, but certainly not working with nzoth

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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"enemy of my enemy is my friend"

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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she even wants him to serve her purpose

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nono death and old gods arent working togheter xD

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:33 PM

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nope nzoth is working for "death" without is knowedge

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is not a partership

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he is "used" by death basicaly

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:33 PM

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yea but you cant rly call that work togheter

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:33 PM

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i dont think he is

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:33 PM

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when 1 side is taking advantage of that

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just because*

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I'm stil thinking on necromancer calss after the yesterday cinematic, everything seems linear

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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hes not working for death

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sylvanas wants to enslave him sure

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but currently she has not

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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we dont even know whats up with azshara, she just completed her part of the deal with nzoth

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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yep

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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yeah syvanas wants to enslave him for "death"

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:34 PM

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yeh

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but she hasnt managed to yet is all

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nzoth is still his own dude

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:35 PM

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i find it hard to believe he can be enslaved

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:35 PM

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azhsara, not sure, i assume shes just hedging her bets, shes always been out for herself

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she probably just wants to be on the winning side

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:36 PM

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but again sylvs a tricky hoe

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they are kinda similiar in the way both of them just care bout themselves, azs and sylv

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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sylvanas is an undead, she used necromancer spell (new spell) going to shadowlands, for death. I usually don't trust any leak but this time, everything seems going on this direction

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📎 firefox_BOK4ejpOqJ.png

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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woudnt be surprised if azshara actually backstab nzoth but thats me asking too much

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😂

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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In my 8years of wow, I found only 3 leaks to be real

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every 3 were posted on mmo champion and were posted 1 day or 2 days before the "news"

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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i remember seeing bfa leak

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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wod legion and bfa were leaked on mmo

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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i agree slock

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:39 PM

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and that shadowlands leak is so random i hope it isnt true

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I do no trust the leak too since was out too soon

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but everything seems to going on that direction, just look at my picture

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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i mean sure the guy got some things right like saurfang dying

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but i mean it was pretty obv he would die

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I believe more to the leak only for the "no known spell"

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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he also got the sylvanas ocastrating war to send souls to 'the dark'

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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ya

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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which is a bigger point

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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it can be the necromancer spell

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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directing the souls to helya

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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and if is it the case I assume the leak correct

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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yeh,

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the mention of souls is what makes the leak a lot more probable imo

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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thats why i hope it isnt true, because i mean... old gods and shadowlands stuff mixed

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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i like that concept

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death vs void main story, dragons secondary story

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:42 PM

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you can have 2-3 expantions based on shadowlands

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:42 PM

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the end is so edgy i kinda like that

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live bolvar shows and kill lort

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:42 PM

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is not that if we go there" it must end in 1 exp"

sullen dawn Sep 25, 2019, 9:42 PM

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haha yeh

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theyre gonna claim it's their 'red wedding moment'

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if everyone dies

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:43 PM

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for sure a "new world" not like we did argus, it will be good thing

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:43 PM

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the in-game stuff also fav shadowlands xpac next

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voljin stuff,syl/helya, bolvar

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etc

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we will see soon the guy said they would release a comic in october

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:44 PM

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also doomslayers

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remember the legion prepatch

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was something to do while you were dead

flint meteor Sep 25, 2019, 9:45 PM

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i wonder bout that par thou

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hakkar being bwon boss

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:46 PM

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look

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who is the six eye master?

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Random yells:

The end is coming! Again!
The world will be shaped anew!
There is no escape from the inevitable!
Our leaders cannot protect us!
The Light has forsaken us!
Forces beyond our comprehension have seen us unworthy!
A searing emerald fire will burn away our corruption!
Our time ends, the cleansing is nigh!

zealous basalt Sep 25, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Yharjj

vernal juniper Sep 25, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Shortly before the battle for the Broken Shore, three Doomsayers appear at the Dranosh'ar Blockade near the docks, with a sign simply stating "The End Is Coming!" hanging on a tree behind them. One of them will say:

The six-eyed master has seen your fate, <name>! You will fail and worlds will burn!

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ah ok

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nvm than

toxic adder Sep 25, 2019, 11:10 PM

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nzoth pops out of a three
its nzoth biatch

forest sphinx Sep 26, 2019, 1:29 AM

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PTR is updating?

dense plover Sep 26, 2019, 1:29 AM

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just retail

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its keeping up

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probably means theyll deploy 8.3 asap tho

forest sphinx Sep 26, 2019, 1:30 AM

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That's a good sign. It means it's around the time of what I expected. They'll do a Q&A for the patch soon and then in about 2 weeks, 8.3 will be deployed on the PTR

flint meteor Sep 26, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Wow

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Thats amazing

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PrincePepe

ancient jasper Sep 26, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Huh got a 200MB PTR patch

dense plover Sep 26, 2019, 2:26 AM

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not noteworthy

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just updating to be par to retail

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Retail has maintenance?

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Is there more than what was let on?

dense plover Sep 26, 2019, 3:48 AM

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No

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Probably just bug fixes or a build to fix an issue

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@vernal juniper Nzoth is not Sylvanas allie. Its the opposite. He want to kill Sylvanas and he even knows exactly that she works for Death. The Void knows it and Nzoth does.
One of his 8.1.5 whisper are, "Im the only one who can safe you from what is to come" also the 3 sister comic and the eye of the corruptor hinting the same

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Sylvanas is basically the enemy of all now. And the Darkness that hungers, the Death is what is to come to azeroth

vernal juniper Sep 26, 2019, 10:24 AM

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yes but Sylvanas and Azshara made a deal so I assume Sylvanas a Nzoth ally (for the moment)

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"enemy of my enemy is my friend"

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:36 AM

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No hes not

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Sylvanas made a bargain with Azshara, so bouth can get their goals

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Azshara = to free Nzoth
Sylvanas = alliance and horde fighting Nzoth = at the end a lot of corpses and souls for Death

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thats why Im pretty sure 9.0 is about the darkness that Sylvanas is feeding with souls

mighty wolf Sep 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

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9.0 maybe will be about the void 🤔

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

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probably. as a plot B or something

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while plot A will most likely be death

agile token Sep 26, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I want to clear up a big misconception, Sylvanas did NOT cheat as both did not set up the rules

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A mak'gora has no rules if no rules are set

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

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I think that is clear

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ppl who call mak gora cheats dont even read the rules for it

sullen dawn Sep 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

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i think itll be a death expansion but will end with void being the focus

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or at least death vs void

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Mak'gora

Wowpedia

Mak%27gora

Mak'gora (also written as mak'gora[1] or Mak'Gora[2][3]) means "duel of honor"[4] and is an orcish custom whereby someone may challenge another person to individual combat. The ritualistic duel[5] has been often used to obtain a position of leadership, such as a fight for the...

dense plover Sep 26, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Literally the only rule is one on one

toxic adder Sep 26, 2019, 12:11 PM

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📎 unknown.png

mystic heart Sep 26, 2019, 1:01 PM

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@toxic adder is it for loyalists?

unborn glacier Sep 26, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@mystic heart no, it's NPCs interacting

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Has nothing to do with the player themselves

mystic heart Sep 26, 2019, 1:17 PM

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ah
kk

night swift Sep 26, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Lmao

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That ass trying to sell 20 anchor weed in 20 stacks of 1

calm plank Sep 26, 2019, 4:53 PM

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only a fan of sylvanas would do a thing like that

dark furnace Sep 26, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Did they do anything with that rabbit questline?

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In Valsharah?

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I'm still of the Yogg supporters

indigo laurel Sep 26, 2019, 9:14 PM

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@minor mirage If you haven't seen it yet, there is also an event with lady Liadrin in orgrimmar

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451169200069804042/626291387708473354/WoWScrnShot_092519_073611.jpg

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On my rp discord there were only screens in german though

sullen dawn Sep 26, 2019, 9:19 PM

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every race gets a turn leading the horde 😛

tranquil steeple Sep 26, 2019, 9:19 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=295290/orgrimmar-npc-dialogue-after-war-campaign-finale-eitrigg-sylvanas-loyalists-bain

📎 unknown.png

Wowhead

Orgrimmar NPC Dialogue After War Campaign Finale - Eitrigg, Sylvan...

After you complete the War Campaign, NPCs will occasionally start interesting dialogue in Orgrimmar. There's some dialogue between the Orgrimmar NPCs and Former Banshee Loyalists with some Faction Leaders coming in to quell the commotion. There's also some dialogue with Eitrigg.

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Has been covered already, just in a compilation style post.

indigo laurel Sep 26, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Ah, okay. Didn't see it then 🙂

craggy nexus Sep 26, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I say that the Humans get to lead the horde next.

night swift Sep 26, 2019, 10:11 PM

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I think the horde might abandon the idea of warchief and have a council of leaders

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:18 PM

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I would love that. But I dont think so

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because its easier for blizzard to have 1 warchief then a full council you have to write

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and do quests for

pulsar iris Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@tropic trail you mean like the council of three hammers?

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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yep

pulsar iris Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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i mean there are no quests and stuff for them

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or are there?

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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exactly

pulsar iris Sep 26, 2019, 10:38 PM

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so wats the problem

tropic trail Sep 26, 2019, 10:38 PM

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that the council would be more or less ignored like the council of three hammers

zealous basalt Sep 26, 2019, 10:39 PM

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More like

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Moira

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Moira and her boyod

night swift Sep 26, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Depends on how they go about it

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It could just be the racial leaders instead of like 3 random people

pulsar iris Sep 26, 2019, 10:40 PM

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horde kinda lacks on leaders for 3 of its core races right now

uncut vault Sep 26, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Don’t worry, they’re going to morph undead into an unrecognizable honor race with Calia soon

zealous basalt Sep 26, 2019, 11:35 PM

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There is more conversation in Stormwind about two elves talking about having nightmares and waking up in their homes at darnassus, then pissed that Sylvanas is still free and say that the night warrior will do justice if the Alliance doesnt

terse patrol Sep 26, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@uncut vault If Blizzard was sane, they’d do Light Undead and keep them separate from the Forsaken.

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Because it’s unfeasible to completely uproot their entire identity.

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Sure, make them not evil anymore, but they can still be dark, brooding, spooky people who love Tim Burton architecture.

tropic trail Sep 27, 2019, 1:23 AM

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@terse patrol If Night Elves get a new colorskin and eye recolor then the Forsaken in a similar situation are due theirs.

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Blizzard never cared about lore. They just want to give people cool stuff. They think lightforged undead are cool

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so there

terse patrol Sep 27, 2019, 1:23 AM

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The blood elves got golden eyes though, and orcs got straight backs.

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I wouldn’t talk about comparability.

tropic trail Sep 27, 2019, 1:24 AM

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With the way Forsaken and Night Elves have been treated so far... yeah there will be parity I am afraid.

forest sphinx Sep 27, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I don't see the undead an honor race any time soon. At least not this or the next expansion

uncut vault Sep 27, 2019, 2:29 AM

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theyve already started it with the ones in the cinematic

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and theyre building up calia

indigo laurel Sep 27, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Okay, don't know if it came up already, but from reddit:

There is a small wrinkle to the dialogue of some "former" banshee loyalists if you were a loyalist yourself:

https://preview.redd.it/ulwj8u7282p31.png?width=529&auto=webp&s=4c31e603703f1f7d8387d02d8afa6c9c53ce67ce

frigid crater Sep 27, 2019, 9:27 AM

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pogcham

indigo laurel Sep 27, 2019, 9:31 AM

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But don't want to ping anyone again after repeating already pusblished stuff the last time 😅

austere gazelle Sep 27, 2019, 11:39 AM

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every 3 were posted on mmo champion and were posted 1 day or 2 days before the "news"```

Wod was leaked way earlier, like one month before. It looked so stupîd on the papers that no one believed it. 

BFA is the same, but instead of stupid was " underwhelming " and people thought it was a very bad fake, thus it was ignored until hours before launch ( and was put in front of every other fakes when people saw the Lordaeron sign on blizzcon stage )

unborn glacier Sep 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@indigo laurel That's fucking awesome!

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I haven't stayed in org after the cinematic, so I never got this to happen

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Can any Loyalists in here try to replicate this?

zealous basalt Sep 27, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Damn

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That is a hell of backstabbing

stiff vector Sep 27, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Real leaks are usually ignored

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To this day

sullen dawn Sep 27, 2019, 3:16 PM

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5 weeks till blizzcon today 😮

junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 4:01 PM

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📎 tink2.png

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 4:03 PM

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banner bae has joined the ranks of the memespace

junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 4:05 PM

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yup, and I'm proud to be on the forefront of rising her up to glory 🏆

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 4:06 PM

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inb4 blizzard makes her a character like zappyboi

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🤔

junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 4:07 PM

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I hope they do! 😄

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Sylvanas come back, tink tink requires it

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 4:08 PM

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well the loyalist cutscene implies she will be back

junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Ah I meant she being like saurfangs zappy-boi but to sylvie

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 4:09 PM

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she didnt look very pleased with sylv though

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after that line..

unborn glacier Sep 27, 2019, 4:09 PM

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And if what Elegias posted is real, there are still those Loyal to Sylvanas within the Horde other than the Player character. Shit is getting real.

junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 4:09 PM

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📎 TinkMeme.png

stable prawn Sep 27, 2019, 4:38 PM

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I felt bad for banner forsaken, seemed so betrayed here

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 4:42 PM

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i love her

zealous basalt Sep 27, 2019, 4:45 PM

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doesnt she have like a name for the fans

dark furnace Sep 27, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I saw Bannerbae on Twitter

zealous basalt Sep 27, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Yee

storm marsh Sep 27, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Bannerbae lmao

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 5:08 PM

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also called "becky"

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if you dont like banner bae

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 5:12 PM

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📎 WoWScrnShot_092719_004713.jpg

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is this the mount datamined on a recent 8.2.5 build?

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:17 PM

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whoaa wtf

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id kill to have mount

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 5:20 PM

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i'm 99% sure about a tiger datamined on the previus 8.2.5 builds idk if it is this one

tropic trail Sep 27, 2019, 5:20 PM

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maybe its a mount from the new friend thing feature

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 5:21 PM

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1 is not avaible, 2 all rewards are on the official site, no tiger

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:25 PM

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was that screenshot taken today?

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 5:27 PM

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guess so

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/?page=5

World of Warcraft News and Raiding Strategies - MMO-Champion

World of Warcraft News, with guides, patch notes, previews of upcoming content, and more!

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Mounts
Ground Mounts

Tiger (New) - Ground Mount. Tiger. Source: Legacy

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should be this one?

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Patch 8.2.5 PTR - Build 31812

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https://www.wowdb.com/spells/10790-tiger#31599-31812

WoWDB

Tiger - Spells - WoWDB

Summons and dismisses a rideable Bengal Tiger.

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:29 PM

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probably someone replacing a model

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Added in Patch 7.0.1 (Build #20740)

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:45 PM

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i need it

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:45 PM

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uh

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or maybe not

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apparently it might be a mount from vanilla

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:46 PM

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but

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it wasnt in vanilla

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it was unused

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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yeah

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now its been updated

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theres a new npc

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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ye

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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and with the cat pet

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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O_O

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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this is some kind of secret thing

uncut lintel Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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om

dense plover Sep 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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seems like it might be alliance only

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=295347/the-mystery-of-the-reins-of-the-bengal-tiger-mount-in-patch-8-2-5?webhook

Wowhead

The Mystery of the Reins of the Bengal Tiger Mount in Patch 8.2.5

The Reins of the Bengal Tiger, an unused mount from vanilla, has some curious hints in Patch 8.2.5.

storm marsh Sep 27, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I wonder what's up with that undead night elf from this patch

dark furnace Sep 27, 2019, 6:11 PM

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It has something to do with the Jenafur secret pet

vernal juniper Sep 27, 2019, 6:30 PM

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im going to check the dark portal

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got an intuition

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nvm

obtuse vine Sep 27, 2019, 8:04 PM

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junior prairie Sep 27, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Her offical name..well decreed by me 😛 is tinker belle

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Also anyone talked to the undead nelf, then gone to Naxx? seem's like all the undead kitties hide out there

languid yoke Sep 27, 2019, 8:10 PM

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it's canon now

unborn glacier Sep 27, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I wonder if Bannerbae is hot

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 8:13 PM

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i mean....as far as undead go...

strange falcon Sep 27, 2019, 11:55 PM

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https://twitter.com/holinka/status/1177686440903360512?s=12

Holinka (@holinka)

So, I'm not going to give anything away, but god damn Blizzcon is going to be hype. The WoW team in general is doing amazing stuff, but I'm extra proud of the work my team has been doing lately. I think players are going to love it.

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flint meteor Sep 28, 2019, 12:00 AM

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GWvictoriaMeguFace

tranquil steeple Sep 28, 2019, 12:07 AM

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unborn glacier Sep 28, 2019, 12:35 AM

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AYAYA

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hyperneko

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Holinka is class design right?

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 1:00 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/434861929799090176/627295281620451349/HO-RIpI9YfM.png?width=1202&height=677 well uh, hi saurfang

tropic trail Sep 28, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Great now he’s going to kill us all because we know he’s not really dead rip.

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8.3.5 Here we come

flint meteor Sep 28, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Daheck

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😂

round lake Sep 28, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Hes labeled as lead combat designer

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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So I assume that's classes, mob design, dungeon and raid encounters and pvp?

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Basically core gameplay loops

rustic quiver Sep 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

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He was cloned all along!

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 2:29 PM

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It won't be a bad BlizzCon anyway, in fact it's probably going to be a great BlizzCon.

They can't do worse than what they did last year with Diablo or with HotS. The WoW one wasn't bad, but it was just a patch announcement, while this is going to be an expansion announcement, which is bigger.

Therefore Diablo, HotS, and WoW, are all going to be better this year than last year. So it is going to be a great BlizzCon, but if you also add that rumor about Diablo IV and Overwatch 2 (or some derivative from Overwatch) on top of that, and it' true, then this BlizzCon has the potential to be one of the biggest ones to date.

steel venture Sep 28, 2019, 3:09 PM

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NGL: I'm not ... certain they'll actually do an expac announcement? 8.2.5 doesn't feel like a "finale" of BFA, at all. There's a ton of unresolved plot threads that have to be addressed. Even despite the achievement that goes and says "The Fourth War."

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:09 PM

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they announced bfa

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when 7.3 wasnt out @steel venture

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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^

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also, its very likely we will get an 8.3 livestream in a few weeks

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with ptr probably before blizzcon

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it would be a total waste of blizzcon to not talk about 9.0

steel venture Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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It was already known and teased prior, we've got zilch on where the direction's fully going next.

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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eh

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not exactly

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we know that nzoth is going to be the focus of at least 8.3

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along with wrathion

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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We don't 'know' that

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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which is why thats probably dragon isles

steel venture Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Given that BFA's been left-and-right and all over the place with an unfocused story though, egh. It's likely he will be. But they might throw in other bullshit.

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Even if its probable

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:11 PM

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unfocused story?

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scuse me?

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like, its not the best story

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but its pretty clear and straightforward 99% of the time

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8.3 is going to happen

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dragon isles is the best bet

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mainly because we dont know of anything else that would tie in all the hints we have right now

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we are dealing with old gods, the dragonflights, wrathion

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dragon isles is perfect

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and it has pretty much no lore outside of that picture

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:13 PM

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i believe the "all over the place" sentiment is due to the very fragmented story since it's told in patches

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rather than all at once

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:13 PM

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/c/cd/Dragon_Isles.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080908152712

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this image is pretty much the only thing we know about dragon isles

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the lore is pretty much unwritten

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also, especially since we are looking for wrathion

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"according to Wrathion's Blacktalon Agent. Wrathion is searching for the isles but other dragons have not been forthcoming in information"

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:14 PM

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isnt that image very similar to the stormsong monument though

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:15 PM

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and this from original wow beta

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https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/2/28/Dragon_Isles_render_2.jpg

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yes the architecture is similar

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dragon isles is much older design-wise tho

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and this part of the island would be a must because it is so closely tied to the only piece of concept art we have

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:17 PM

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it was supposed to be a lvl 60 raid off the coast of tirisfal right?

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in the beta maps

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:19 PM

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65-70

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back when outland was going to be base game

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north of tirisfal

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tho some maps put it west of Quelthalas more than north of tirisfal

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tbh thats not at all canon, so it can be anywhere

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:21 PM

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inb4 they do classic+ which is just all cut content from alpha

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:22 PM

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i mean, thats what has happened every expac

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Outland

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Uldum

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Broken Isles

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etc

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zandalar probably

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 3:24 PM

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but the leveling and philosophy changed along the way

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which is why we have classic in the first place

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 3:24 PM

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well, and they all got cut

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because it was taking too long

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and the scope of 1-60 grew massively

unborn glacier Sep 28, 2019, 4:55 PM

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No need to do Classic+

uncut vault Sep 28, 2019, 5:58 PM

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7.3 was definitely out before blizzcon lol

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Antorus was too, come out in October

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:00 PM

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🤔

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:07 PM

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no it wasnt

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November 28th
Antorus the Burning Throne Raid Release Date - November 28th.

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7.3 DID drop before blizzcon tho

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it was a HUGE gap between patch and raid

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two months from ptr to release, then 2 more months for raid

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Don't think classic + will happen or if it does happen it will not be for years

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I assume they do expansion servers instead first and then consider OSwow or something

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:12 PM

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assuming schedules are similar, 8.3 on ptr during october makes sense

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with the release date being sometime in november

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and the raid early january

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:13 PM

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that seems fast or am I just wrong there?

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Sounds plausible but fast

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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not fast

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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or was 8.2.5 a bit behind?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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standard

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8.2.5 was later than normal

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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ahh

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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but they also want a larger gap between 3rd and 4th raid

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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and were basing 8.3 on blizzcon / normal schedule?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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july to january is 6 months

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Were not getting 8.3 in November

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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which is their target goal

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Why not first phase?

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no raids

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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assuming we get ptr in october, its very plausible

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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The anniversary stuff is November

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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oh wait

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december

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Its not

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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i skipped some math

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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December I could see

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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2 months from ptr release is the most likely

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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But still think jan is most likely

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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they release larger patches in holiday mode?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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with raid being min 2 weeks, max 6 weeks from patch release

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I think be Jan honestly if the idea is dec

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Late October/early november - late December to mid january for ptr

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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raid wont come until after december

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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With raid in either mid or late jan

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:15 PM

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yeah raids be in 2020

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has to last to hold a gap till summer for the expansion +

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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guaranteed, 6 months is the target

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so naz raid dropped in july

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6 months is january

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Yeh

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Then prepatch in late july/early Aug is another 6 months

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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assuming they drop patch before hand, likely before the holidays in december, probably either late nov or early dec for patch

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Expansion in aug ir september

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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and its extremely likely we see ptr in the next 30 days

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:16 PM

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so long away hehe

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:17 PM

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probably preluded by a livestream

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:17 PM

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thankfully I have such a stupid goal till then

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Even if not mrpeqch blizzcon is in less than 5 weeks

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So even if you're wrong its only 1 week difference

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I.e. not hitting ptr till blizzcon

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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but its almost a guarantee they want to have fully discussed 8.3 before blizzcon so that during blizzcon they can be like - "hey, 8.3 is releasing on this date and the raid is coming on this date - here's a preview of what's coming with 8.3"

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Schedule isnt that diff

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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and then focus on 9.0

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I hope so

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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it would be a major PR mistake to not talk about 9.0

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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will they give us a intro to 9.0 at blizzcon?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:18 PM

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because there is no real opportunity after for quite some time

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very very very likely

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again, it would be extremely strange if they dont focus on 9.0 for blizzcon

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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They are defo talking about 9.0 at blizzcon regardless of it theres a 8.3 stream before or not

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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blizz been a bit more secretive these days

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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The question is just the focus split on both items at blizcon

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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so I was thinking they might keep more out during bcon

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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probably in this order

8.3 preview trailer and 10 min of talk
9.0 cinematic and expac announce
9.0 feature overview - also talk about mistakes made in 8.X, what theyve learned from classic, and moving forward

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I mean the tweet yesterday talked about combat/class work being show off at blizzcon and that players would love it

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That's likely only expansion stuff

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As class changes wont be big in 8.3

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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^

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Don't forget the druid announcement

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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especially since they know they goofed

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yeh

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Druids 8.3: Restored old sounds

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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So we will see 9.0

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That's not really in debate anymore (was it ever?l

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Nah

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Its just the 8.3 schedule that's up in the air

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I was wondering if they hold back more of 9.0

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because of the newer way blizz being

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less info wise

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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what about the druid thing o.o

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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it's a joke they fucked my sounds up in feral

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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theyve been very clear that they made a ton of mistakes with class design moving from legion to BfA and meant to do a bunch of stuff that didnt happen because they decided halfway through beta that the changes they wanted to do required so much more work and were of a much greater scope

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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yikes

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Me too Kane

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But not anymore

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Since that tweet

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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what tweet?

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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I hope at least bfa have them a good benchmark/baseline to do their ambitious stuff

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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the holinka tweet right?

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Since it did streamline classes - it's possible they have a lot of design space now

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Yes

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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I don't follow a lot so I miss a few things. If someone can post it

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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https://twitter.com/holinka/status/1177686440903360512?s=12 @feral belfry

Holinka (@holinka)

So, I'm not going to give anything away, but god damn Blizzcon is going to be hype. The WoW team in general is doing amazing stuff, but I'm extra proud of the work my team has been doing lately. I think players are going to love it.

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feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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ty

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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They don't have to worry too much about complexity

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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cool 🙂

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Everyone has a cell Phone right?

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I have a mobile phone:p

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Then they announce Bettle Pet's and fucking win blizzcon without any other announcements

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Who calls them cell phones? :0

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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battle*

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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well,their stocks literally halved for a year now,so even if they were Ultragreedy only care about shareholders

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Honestly if they do battle pets on mobile they would win good karma for mobile as long they don't ruin it with cash crap lol

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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they would he forced to learn

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from the incident

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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i mean, the diablo thing was only a problem because they shouldve been clear beforehand about no major pc announcements

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diablo mobile isnt an inherently bad idea'

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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it is

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played the other game that is' based off

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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and its very likely they will talk about diablo 4 this year as a result of last year's backlash

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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fire would not solve the issue

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need the worlds most powerful magnet to wipe that crap away

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Agreed peach

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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I have been told by a lot of people that actually tried the diablo demo it was apparently pretty fun

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Diablo mobile is something you announce as a bonus, not as the main game

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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mobile =/= bad

storm marsh Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I hope they update all loading screens in 9.0

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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its just not the thing you should focus on with a bunch of PC gamers

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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did not try the demo of the d one but the other game it's skinned off of that being said could be much better now then what it was etc.

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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But I'm not against it

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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being mobile is the entire nintendo switch's sales pitch

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if you mean

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on a phone,then yes it can be bad

tranquil steeple Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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it's been gone over before, and we've pretty much all agreed that if they just went "we're working on diablo 4, but in the meantime, have diablo immortal for mobile"

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Nintendo switch is bae

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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@storm marsh 480p load screens ftw?

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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because of the whole environment

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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mobile games can be fun

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they just need to built for it

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I mean honestly

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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mini metro is a great example

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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they have d3 for switch

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Bloons TD

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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why not put the damn game on mobile

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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because its too large

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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for what phone

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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and it probably wouldnt run on a phone

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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besides iPhone it's not too big

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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phones have good processors but the switch has active cooling that phones do not have

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also the control scheme on a touch device? jesus

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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you should see modern cell phones mate lol

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kids are playing full out 3d fps games now on them like crazy lol

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Cell phone is such a weird phrase for me

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Sounds like the 90s

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I actually got myself a upgrade just recent

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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The switch is a powerful console

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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^

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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First Galaxy phone the a70

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Not as powerful as ps4 or xbox, but close

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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diablo is an old game and isnt optimized for console in the first place

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I use it to check emails and that is it LOL

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tbh I don't have the patience to enjoy phone games

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:27 PM

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diablo 3 would not run on iphone

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or android

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but again, in addition to WoW expac, diablo 4 is likely the other major subject of interest

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:28 PM

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btw

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switch cpu is based on the 2014 A57

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LOL

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I know people keep saying it's powerful 😛

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:28 PM

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its a tegra chip

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it can overclock

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thats a thing phones CANT do

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because of no active cooling

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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well the gpu side of things are better tbh

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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phones use passive cooling

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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because of that

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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its why with intense games on phones you run into 2 problems - severe battery drain that increases as you play more, and the phone getting hotter

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and possibly overheating

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:29 PM

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battery drain 😛

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:30 PM

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its why the games that work best on mobile are slower, less action based games

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:30 PM

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phones are all min 4500-5000 mha right unless it's a bad buyer 😛 ?

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anyways way off topic I get it no D3 for Phones 😛

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is jaina mixed race?

strange falcon Sep 28, 2019, 6:32 PM

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define the question

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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she is not fat

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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thats only some kul tirans

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specifically only the ones from drustvar

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heritage wise

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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they got like a mix of giant blood or something?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:33 PM

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TLDR, gilneans settled kul tiras, some settled in drustvar

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no

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its a result of ship life

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it was more beneficial for that bodytype

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because ships are cold and you are doing a lot of heavy lifting

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:34 PM

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ahh alcohol lol

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:34 PM

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over several thousand (?) years, they became bigger

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not alcohol

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they arent fat

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theyre strong

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:34 PM

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hernia's and beer bellies

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lol

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:35 PM

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its a typical strongman bodytype

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:35 PM

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glad I got that in rl 😛

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:35 PM

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http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKzdop6_700b_v3.jpg

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"This is the body type of a guy who fights bears on a mountain"

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:35 PM

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ahh cool

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 6:36 PM

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its a misconception

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tho they do also eat heavy fat diets

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remember, drustvar is known for heavy meat dishes

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jaina is from tiragarde, the people there are not large because they didnt need to be

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same with stormsong

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drustvar kul tirans spent their lives eating meat, sailing, and hunting sea monsters

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the body type they have fits their lifestyle perfectly

feral belfry Sep 28, 2019, 6:37 PM

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cool thanks.

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:50 PM

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heavy fat diets dont make you fat

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Also pretty sure Kul Tiran are at least partly Drust

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:50 PM

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heavy carb diets do

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ofc you need to be eating more calories than youre burning to put on any sort of weight

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and the differences betweent the 'gym guy' and 'strongman' there are blown our of proportion

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:51 PM

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All that meat and protein

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:52 PM

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good bodybuilders have a strong core too. the main different is the second person has a larger natural frame (skeleton) and a higher fat %

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probably similar amounts of muscle

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Its always weird when people say Kul Tirans are all fat when they have a racial that is literally a knockback and a stun

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:53 PM

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i mean they DO have a higher body fat%

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:53 PM

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They punch so hard they send you flying and stunned

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:53 PM

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but also a tonne of muscle under it

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and very built genetics in terms of skeletal frame

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theyre just big in every sense of the word

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:53 PM

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They have the body fat to help with the cooler climates of kul tiras

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:54 PM

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yes

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not saying why they have the fat, but they do 😛

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📎 5408720-6316731-image-m-4_1540482752727.jpg

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he has a load of fat, he'd still knock anyone the f out

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yep

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:55 PM

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A good diet and tons of ship work still wouldn't explain Kul Tiran height, though. They are extremely tall for a Human race.

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:56 PM

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yeh there's something genetic beyond just their lifestyle

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theyre substantially bigger people than gilneans

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maybe they bred with ogres 😛

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I'd say possibly with the Drust

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Which is why they can be Druids

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:56 PM

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yeh

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Or their vrykul roots are stronger

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Drust are an offshoot of Vrykul I believe

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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i throught drust come from shadowlands?

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like a spirit folk

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Drust are otherworldly I think

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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The Drust were a population of seafaring vrykul who some time after the Sundering settled on Kul Tiras.

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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kinda irish/gaelic type being

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ohhh

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Oh yeah

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:58 PM

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how did they become kinda plant like?

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I think the only ones we see left are Druids

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Who are far more in sync with Nature than even Night Elves

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Well.. Kinda nature? Their version of Nature

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:58 PM

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ah yeh

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Which is a balance of Life and Death

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 6:59 PM

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i looked them up. the older drust seemed more traditonally humanoid

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in that case, i would say, defitely, kul tirans bred with them lkeading to increased size

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yeh all druidic magic is balance between life and death but the drust thing seems to lean heaiver towards death than most

ancient jasper Sep 28, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Definitely

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With how KT Druids look

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 7:00 PM

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like elven and highmountain seems to lean more towards life

tropic trail Sep 28, 2019, 7:44 PM

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strongmans are the strongest humans with the most power, and have a lot of fat %. Body builder who have less fat % but a lot of muscle are weaker

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what you linked Toby is a strongman

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Yes I'm aware

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Bodybuilders are weaker tha strongman ofc but they're still stronger than 99% of the population

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For example I can bench 120kg x 12. Some strongman can bench can bench 300+kg for 1. World record is around 340kg I believe

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My only argument was that the kul tirans have a lot of fat as well as muscle. They also have extremely large bones

night swift Sep 28, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I think they have normal sized skeletons when you res

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Can’t remember though

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 8:13 PM

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oh they definitely have fat

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need to

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sea is freezing cold

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so is drustvar

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also, i enjoy the theory that theyre mixed blood, but theres no confirmation currently

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Maybe in the engine Jhock, but that's just a technical thing. Anatomy wise they have large skeletons

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 8:14 PM

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actually, canonically i believe they arent supposed to be much taller than normal humanoids

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 8:14 PM

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You can tell just based on the weight they're carrying on the in game models

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 8:14 PM

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wow humans average 5ft, kul tirans average 6.5

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i think

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 8:14 PM

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That's a big difference

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That's like world smallest average to world's biggest (irl)

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 8:15 PM

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i mean, it would make sense if there is drust blood

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but again, no confirmation

sullen dawn Sep 28, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Aye

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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no

tropic trail Sep 28, 2019, 9:37 PM

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📎 Capture.png

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https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/1177032323893587968

Chris Metzen (@ChrisMetzen)

@Nerderella_1988 But I don’t recall us saying casting was banned originally - it may have been somewhere but I didn’t know. I mean, how would non warriors ever be able to challenge? All that said, I kinda like it in hindsight.

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for those who still think Magic is not allowed in a mak gora

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Metzen officially debunking the misconception that magic is forbidden in Mak'gora is very cathartic.

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:41 PM

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cathartic?

dense plover Sep 28, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Relieving

uncut vault Sep 28, 2019, 9:42 PM

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I’m happy that he confirmed Sylvanas didn’t need her weird new powers to beat Saurfang, too.

tropic trail Sep 28, 2019, 9:43 PM

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yea

distant folio Sep 28, 2019, 9:46 PM

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To be fair she was already OP without her ability to instantly one-shot people. She's a freaking banshee, can pass through people, and fly, and scream so hard it... physically hurts you? And her arrows. And her shadowy wounds. Saurfang had no chance.
Although they did retcon her indestructible body over time.

tranquil steeple Sep 28, 2019, 9:47 PM

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it was as Saurfang said when responding to Sylv going "why should I accept your challenge?" : "You want to make me suffer." edited to correct lines

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:49 PM

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I was seeing Metzen's twitter and that comission of thrall and his family...does he have two children?

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:51 PM

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No. Well, unknown.

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We know he has a boy. However at one point Aggra also said he is with "the children", which is a plural. So he probably has more than 1 child, but that could be 2, 3, etc.

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Damn thrall

uncut vault Sep 28, 2019, 9:53 PM

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He has a daughter too

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https://twitter.com/chrismetzen/status/852587552049479680?s=21

Chris Metzen (@ChrisMetzen)

'Yeah, yeah, yeah, daddy - get to the part about Sylvanas already...'

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jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Thrall is depicted with a boy and a girl in that commission because Metzen has a boy and a girl, and that's pretty much them. Also note that art is not official.

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Ahh

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Uh yeah I was talking about Thrall, not Metzen.

zealous basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:54 PM

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...I think that's the joke

terse patrol Sep 28, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I never liked the idea of mak’gora having the same rules between clans.

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I talked to Matt and he told me that Chris's commission of Thrall and his family by Alex Horley has nothing official, and is 100% fan art for Chris. Blizzard wasn't involved at any point in an official capacity, it wasn't something Matt did at work, he only helped them during his free time, by gathering references etc.

So while Thrall was never said to have a girl, just other possible children, Chris wanted that on his commission! (He 100% would've canonized that if he still worked there though)

terse patrol Sep 28, 2019, 9:56 PM

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If magic was accepted in mak’gora in all clans, how did all these warriors maintain power when logically a good enough shaman (or even warlock) could light their barely armored ass on fire.

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It’s accepted among ogres because ogres are literally ruled by mages ALMOST exclusively, pre-fall of Goria.

distant folio Sep 28, 2019, 9:57 PM

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I mean we've seen what a "mere" warrior can do plenty of times. Mannoroth was an extremely powerful spellcaster and just overall demon, still got wrecked by Grom. Once by surprise, granted, but the other not.

terse patrol Sep 28, 2019, 9:57 PM

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They’d annihilate almost any warrior who tried to take their power.

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eh, mannoroth kinda got cheesed twice.

distant folio Sep 28, 2019, 9:57 PM

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@jade basalt Wait who's "Matt"?

uncut vault Sep 28, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Wasn’t Thralls Cata vision of a boy and a girl? Obviously not confirmation of the current one, but the skin tones match up

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Matt Burns, he's a Senior Writer at Blizzard (works on comics, books like Chronicle, cinematics, everything), he's the one that helped with this commission for Chris. He gathered references etc.

distant folio Sep 28, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Ahh I know him! Wrote Chronicle, cool. Just wasn't sure what "Matt" referred to in this context

jade basalt Sep 28, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Yeah he saw a vision of him with a boy and a girl, just saying that currently, it is unknown if he has a boy and a girl, so far we only have 1 boy confirmed, and other children.

tulip sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:50 AM

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I think it is confirmed he has two

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At least WoWpedia has Durak, his son, and an unnamed child.

jade basalt Sep 29, 2019, 2:23 PM

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I just explained how it's not confirmed that he has two.

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I mean he most likely does have a boy and a girl, just saying that this was never stated officially. All sources mention "children" or "little ones", which could mean "any number of children greater than 1".

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Fixed the bit on Wowpedia though, good catch.

distant folio Sep 29, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Yeah it's like, 99% certain, as in, if Blizzard wanted to show his children, they'd most likely show a boy and a girl. But so far they haven't shown or confirmed it, technically.

tulip sun Sep 29, 2019, 3:51 PM

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We only ever heard about Aggra being pregnant two times