to see how it changed with ji being there now
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ionic terrace
ionic terrace
yea
pulsar iris
what did our favorite pandaren do in the campaign?
wise crest
sylvanas abandoning the forsaken at this point makes sense
zealous basalt
Heal 🅱 aine
wise crest
she doesnt say she doesnt care about them
but realistically how can she cling to them
when shes just screamed out "The horde is nothing"
what can she say?
"....except the forsaken"
think about how disjointed that writing is
sudden oak
at the very least I want for sylvanas to stay alive and we have an amicable relationship with her
at least us loyalists
sudden oak
genius
lusty wasp
Lowering the price of gold by selling it for some silver
pulsar iris
i just want blizzcon for new stuff
sudden oak
why arent you a trade prince already?
lusty wasp
Then we will buy Stormwind for junk
They wanted me to be one but they said they will cut my legs in half so I ran away
zealous basalt
Are you sure you aren't evil?
lusty wasp
Nah I'm just capitalist
zealous basalt
There are capitalists and capitalists
lusty wasp
Well if you're Anduin begging for bread I'm certainly evil
zealous basalt
What is yours is mine
sudden oak
I wouldnt mind seeing anduin begging for bread
lusty wasp
If you work 18 hours a day it is
sudden oak
or begging at all 
lusty wasp
teehee
pulsar iris
that's why you're rich
ionic terrace
nice they didn't fix the starting area flightmasters being 60
zealous basalt
Time to kill
lusty wasp
there are certain fanfictions regarding begging Anduin
zealous basalt
Also I'm the only eediot here that thought he could. Be in Orgrimmar like if it was his palace
sudden oak
id wish to keep the ones with wrathion
lusty wasp
i'm shipping only Gallywix x gold
zealous basalt
At least they ain't with Taelia
lusty wasp
(but fun fact is Gallywix has a loved one, he's sending her his pictures being rich)
(she hates him, because he robbed her father :D)
zealous basalt
Why it doesn't surprise me
lusty wasp
Because we don't deserve Jastor Gallywix and his glorious chins
Best lines in this xpac were his
"EXCUUUUSE ME Banshee Prince"
zealous basalt
Glad you is enjoying
tropic trail
I still think it's yogg
tropic trail
You know, as much as I love The Banshee Queen’s old character. I still feel like they really went down hill after Arthas lol
Lich King was so good. I just feel like they lost the story telling. This expansion was good but not as great. Rip. I hope next expansion will be better.
When illidan came back it was great, but this is just garbo with light tears of sadness in the story. I know this is a filler expansion but damn.
zealous basalt
You know that so far WoW has been reusing leftovers from Warcraft in any form, right?
storm marsh
Just read that dialog between jaina, calia and derek. They were definetly hinting at upcoming AR
storm marsh
Aka once you complete the war campaign, the iron dwarf next to boralus Inn should have a quest available
round lake
this is just like TWD
everyones pissed about the horde getting off for their genocide because they were just following orders, its basically like TWD with Negan
flint meteor
You guys think they gonna change something concerning the factions or smh?
terse patrol
Wow, Nixxiom knows jack shit about the founding of the Horde.
@dense plover
He thinks the Horde came to Azeroth because they "had to" and the war only started due to needing resources. And that it was due to misunderstandings, and that they were refugees.
lol
dense plover
they did have to
their planet was dying because the legion and guldan were killing it
on purpose
to get the horde to go to azeroth
so the legion would get there
also, azshara kill required?
fuck me
ill have to run it on lfr
i dont have time for that
zealous basalt
HA
round lake
Its a quick set of quests you dont see Wrathion
dense plover
i know
but its important for whatever comes next
it isnt timegated
its a short quest after the war campaign
if you are horde its from lillian voss on the horde ship
terse patrol
They were not purposefully killing it?
It only started dying when Ner'zhul fucked up.
The Horde wanted possession of two planets.
"You will all be conquerors."
zealous basalt
Honestly
What went up with the communities and guild finders?
Like, can we have a notification about the blues?
Okay I made a post in general
Wonder if that was the correct place to do it
unborn glacier
It was literally Sargeras's order to make the Orcs desperate to leave.
dense plover
^ they had that whole demon plague thing remember?
forest sphinx
I say at least a week or sooner before any news regarding 8.3 and the PTR will have 8.3 content in about 2 weeks
With a release date of Early to Mid January
ancient jasper
I'm betting we'll see 8.3 on PTR during Blizzcon or right after
tropic trail
My guess is Sylvanas and Helya are Yogg Saron servants
obtuse vine
Wait since everything has been encrypted and we didn’t know what would happen is there a small possibility that we will get a new quest next week to keep us going until blizzcon?
tropic trail
Possibly
That or they'll do a 8.3 livestream
Theres a ton of NPC dialogue in Boralus foreshadowing things
obtuse vine
Yeah, they’ll probably do a live stream next week or the one after
There’s also the question about tyrande
That’s what anduin says after the war campaign
sullen dawn
I have a feeling the shadowlands look credibility just increased 100%
if we get a comic in october with sylvanas going after stormwind, its confirmed
languid yoke
except the shadowlands leak also included Sylvanas still being horde, saurfang...
Two things that kinda aren't happening
sullen dawn
it didnt
it said sylvanas attacks stormwind in a comic during october (without the horde)
and by 8.3 she already has SW, alliance and horde go together, but things get screwy when bolvar shows up
languid yoke
still think that's bs
sullen dawn
fair enough, we'll soon see
languid yoke
I just don't see why we would go from where we are now to "sylv attacks stormwind"
unless she has azshara/N'zoth also attacking
languid yoke
also works
I like how we still don't know who the endboss is gonna be tho. Feels weird
sullen dawn
i mean sylvanas saying 'countless souls have been fed to the great darkness' pretty much seals the deal for me
its exactly what the leak talked about, sylvanas using the war to feed souls to shadowlands
languid yoke
Could be N'zoth, but that feels too soon and ruled out. Could be Sylv, but that would be a Garrosh 2.0 situation where we don't even get to kill her. That'd make 3 raid endbosses in one xpac we don't get to kill.
Could be Helya. Could be Azshara again. Maybe even corrupted Magni/Ebonhorn
sullen dawn
it's sylvanas in SW i think
languid yoke
yeah I guess that makes sense
but that would be so lame if she doesn't end up dying
like even if she dies and we do go to shadowlands, we might as well see her there again
equally unfulfilling
sullen dawn
we will id imagine
i just hope we dont side with her there
that would suck
but if she remains hated in Shadowlands, id be ok with that
languid yoke
I just want her to be dead dead finally ~.~
languid yoke
at least lemme kill her at the end of 9.3?
sullen dawn
id say thats n'zoth
9.3 end boss
he almost/does succeed in rezzing black empire, titans come in an break azeroth/re-orignate it. bam! stat squish and revamp for 10.0
autumn stirrup
You're overthinking it, 8.3 is nzoth, sw aint happening, and no shadowlands "leak" said sylvanas takes SW while horde defends tb, it's fake as hell don't even hold on to it
hasty tendon
Sylvanas already said her plan is to pit the Azeroth Forces against N'zoth.
Her invading Stormwind won't really help her there.
sullen dawn
we're at a standstill i think, we aren't gonna convince eachtother
we'll see late october i guess
yes but as undead
and she said in before the storm, she wants stormwind
limber mural
so have I missed anything important having only done the alliance side
sullen dawn
yeh
ember tundra
yes
limber mural
oh gee is it another 'just go with it lol'
ember tundra
and also that what happened does not affect them
sullen dawn
ember tundra
What if instead of "horde is nothing" she said "horde, alliance, you (we) are nothing"
or that she was directly speaking to saurfang so that's why she just said "horde is nothing" meaning facing nzoth they are nothing
sullen dawn
nah she means you (factions,life,hope) are all meaningless in comparison to the battling cosmic entities
void vs death
ember tundra
which is more than relevant
(I think I badly expressed myself, that's why I tried to say)
ember tundra
I don't see her as being wrong
sullen dawn
but it's still terrible
ember tundra
why ?
sullen dawn
like, i think most people/things like being alive
sorry i dont mean terrible plotwise, i mean terrible to consider for most living things
ember tundra
Ah ! That's why she cannot show her plans
mystic heart
if we mind logical
saurfang challenge sylvanas
ember tundra
finally someone that doesnt shits on storytellers
ember tundra
no one would ever agree, except if ...
sullen dawn
sylvanas views everyone as children, clinging to live and hope
even the loyalists, she only trusts enough to talk about azshara and nzoth after the war campaign
even then, doesnt tell them everything
ember tundra
and then, disappears
I feel a bit frustrated about this
Also, I expected Thrall and Jaina to understand differently her actions
There is something about this trust
sullen dawn
yeh i assume shes gone to rally helyas troops and other undead
ember tundra
Probably
Assuming his goal is nzoth and that she bargained with azshara, who also wants to dominate azeroth. Where is this leading, if we consider that nzoth will be defeated ?
ember tundra
leading when nzoth will be defeated
at the end of this expansion or maybe the next one
sullen dawn
I don't think he'll be defeated until 9.2/9.3
At that point a few things could happen. Sylvanas/death needs to be dealt with,death kills azeroth, or azeroth is born after we save her from both death and void, or nzoth succeeds (maybe partially) in rezzing old gods so titans have to re-originate azeroth
Either way I think it'll lead to a 10.0 revamp/big titanic event like above
Old gods will be finished then, and we might start to get hints about void lords/xal'attlath
ember tundra
It would sound seriously nice but
seems to be like a very big expansion
And I am asking myself if blizz is going to do so, considering that retail lost some (many ?) players
facing classic
sullen dawn
I don't see how its any bigger than a normal expansion
storm marsh
I dk if this was discussed before. I just watched the cutscenes how Jaina, Lorthemar and Thalyssra commented on which magic Sylvanas used on Saurfang and they didn't know. It was Void magic after all. At the start of cinematic when Sylvanas enters the screen, there is a focus in her hand showing some magic dissapearing from her hand and you can hear some kind of whispers (aka void/old gods magic)
uncut vault
ember tundra
cutscenes ?
ember tundra
it's the same magic arthas was using
tropic trail
nope
ember tundra
I mean, death magic
tropic trail
arthas used frostmourne to capture souls
Sylvanas just kills and those souls are going to the "darakness" she is talking about
and that darkness also empowers Sylvanas
tropic trail
thats the most logical view
if it would be the same magic as arthas , Jaina would not say she never saw something like this
ember tundra
Jaina never saw any magic arthas used, she never confronted him
and the only time in halls of reflection*, he just walked around
sudden oak
halls of reflection?
tropic trail
ofc Jaina confronted him
sudden oak
im pretty sure they fought meanwhile the group was fighting the first boss
arthas leaves
jaina follows him
ember tundra
can't remember anything but arthas slowly walking
ember tundra
ah yes indeed
sudden oak
you escape from him
storm marsh
I assumed it was void magic because of the whispers from cinematic when there was a focus on her hand and shadowy things moving around it
round lake
I think gazlowe was the one at the funeral
tranquil steeple
that's Gazlowe, yeah.
wise crest
So. Lilian seems to be making moves to become the new leader of the Forsaken. She feels responsible for Derek. 🤔 🤔 🤔
tranquil steeple
don't think that instantly means she's going for being the leader of the forsaken, just that.. she has something to do
dark furnace
The only races in the Horde with leaders are the Tauren and Blood Elves
And the goblins
wise crest
And every allied race
dark furnace
Yeah
wise crest
And the Pandaren
dark furnace
They need to have new leaders
wise crest
Also I mean. Given Jaina is implying Calia should take a leader role and Lilians response to this revelation is saying she must act quick, I believe it means that whatever she wants to do hinges on beating Calia to the punch.
And lbr. Lilian is a far cry better than Calia in terms of preserving the forsaken imagery while helping them move forward as a new identity. She understands their struggle intimately and has come from self hatred to self acceptance.
dark furnace
Orcs are obviously getting Thrall, Trolls are getting Rokhan or Zekhan and the undead are likely getting Lillian
wise crest
God. Lilian BOSS
round lake
maybe co leadersof the forsaken
unborn glacier
@storm marsh It's definitely not void. Sylvanas considers the void to be an abomination; Source: Three Sisters comic. It is almost 💯% Shadow magic. Would you agree @dense plover?
dense plover
Tbh not sure - but considering they didn’t recognize it, probably not void
Void magic is pretty recognizable - shadow priests use it
unborn glacier
Alleria would have recognized it if it was Void
dense plover
Honestly I’m still just kind of upset they are doubling down on sylvanas being the bad guy
unborn glacier
She would have felt it too
dense plover
Like - yeah she’s evil but I didn’t expect her to go full bad guy
It seems so out of character
unborn glacier
^
dense plover
And the look she gave when she said the horde was nothing
It does make me a bit curious
Maybe she did that on purpose
unborn glacier
It really hurt the most, to have her abandon her people, the Forsaken
dense plover
Get the horde and alliance to unite
Because if this isn’t the reason
It’s just totally out of character
unborn glacier
She has been, until Calia, the only person who truly cared for them.
dense plover
Yeah she doesn’t really care for anyone but herself, but she had no reason to say that
We don’t know enough about Calia
sullen dawn
Not so much the 'bad guy' - like shes not good - but ultimately shes doing this to get us all dead to fight nzoth
she sees live as a less important to beating the void
*life
dense plover
Why would us being dead be good?
sullen dawn
because we cant go to the shadowlands otherwise
dense plover
Why would we go to the shadowlands?
sullen dawn
which we have to if we want to beat the the old gods
sullen dawn
yes
dense plover
They’re unrelated
sullen dawn
man the this patch pretty much cements the leak
dense plover
They aren’t related
sullen dawn
youll see in late october
dense plover
shadowlands and old gods aren’t related
sullen dawn
ill @ you
tranquil steeple
oh god can the shadowlands stuff just fuck off already
dense plover
They’re two independent concepts
sullen dawn
you believe theyre two independent concets
dense plover
The shadowlands have nothing to do with the old gods
sullen dawn
the old gods are using the shadowlands, its not their realm, but theyve invaded it
sullen dawn
why?
dense plover
Why have the emerald nightmare if they have the shadowlands?
dense plover
The rift of aln doesn’t have anything to Dow this the shadowlands
The fuck are you even talking about?
dense plover
The rift of aln is what connects the emerald dream to Nzoth
sullen dawn
looks like you didnt even read the leak
dense plover
Do you even know the lore?
dense plover
The rift was made by Nzoth and allowed the nightmare to be created
So that he could access other parts of azeroth and corrupt them
sullen dawn
he's using the rifts to transit between azeroth/emerald dream/shadowlands/dragon isles
yes
exactly
and other planes
dense plover
None of that is correct
sullen dawn
you just said it was
dense plover
Emerald dream\nightmare only connects to azeroth
sullen dawn
im not arguing with you, you cant see the evidence right in front of you
dense plover
It has nothing to do with the shadowlands
sullen dawn
we'll talk after comic/blizzcon
if im wrong ill apolagise
hope you can do that too
dense plover
None of that will happen
tranquil steeple
and until then the leak carries no weight
dense plover
I’m not going to believe a leak that had a cinematic that definitely doesn’t exist
sullen dawn
or that it's 'shit'
dense plover
Shadowlands is a possibility- the leak is fake
sullen dawn
the leak is shadowlands
dense plover
I know
sullen dawn
im talking about the map (part 1 leak) btw
dense plover
Yeah it’s definitely fake
dense plover
Map has areas named after major npcs
sullen dawn
no point arguing this now
dense plover
They don’t do that
tranquil steeple
shadowlands content is without doubt going to be touched on soon, but the whole expansion being about it is unlikely
sullen dawn
id say 60% shadowlands, 40% dragon isles
tranquil steeple
and again, until blizzcon it's still just a leak
sullen dawn
or close
well not even a leak, a rumour
since a leak is confirmed real, a rumour is not
dense plover
Look - even if shadowlands happens I need you to understand some basic lore - the emerald nightmare is connected to azeroth and that has nothing to do with the shadowlands
sullen dawn
i understand the first part
dense plover
The rift of Aln was created by Nzoth using Xavius in order to gain access to the dream
sullen dawn
and the second part (shadowlands connection) isnt established yet, but the lore constantly evolves
dense plover
It created the nightmare
sullen dawn
and the 'leak' positioned it as part of the connection
im not saying its true 'as it stands'
dense plover
They are not gonna go back to the nightmare
We just went there
That is not something blizz does
sullen dawn
again i didnt say we would
you keep putting words in my mouth
and saying 'learn the lore 12111'
i know the lore
im talking about the rumoured leak
not established lore
sullen dawn
A transit. I believe its between planes of existence and such is accessible from different points
ember tundra
I see
sullen dawn
Its not specifically 'in the shadowlands' no
dense plover
That would be nonsense - tbh I’m not sure nyalotha even exists but if anything Tony’s answer there is the most right
Not anywhere specific
It just is
sullen dawn
Yes
dense plover
And somehow connected to both azeroth and the nightmare
Since creatures on both talk about returning to nyalotha
sullen dawn
I thing its connected to every realm and no realm. Real HP lovecraft stuff
dense plover
Biggest twist would be having nyalotha actually be the shadowlands
dense plover
Like how it’s just another word for shadowlands
It kinda is
It’s a massive twist
Problem for me is thy probably aren’t the same place
sullen dawn
Perhaps. I don't think they're one in the same - but could be. Rather they're currently linked
ember tundra
just, why then would the void whisper to alleria that sylvanas is dangerous ?
sullen dawn
Because death is the only thing that can beat the void - or at least that's what being hinted at
We don't 'know' that
ember tundra
then I think I misunderstood what shadowlands are
sullen dawn
Realm of death is the current definition
ember tundra
then wtf 😂
sullen dawn
Kind of like the anti-emrald dream
ember tundra
why would the void fearing death be in the realm of death
sullen dawn
They're at war?
terse patrol
The void fears undeath
ember tundra
ah war
sullen dawn
Trying to take over the shadowlands for power
ember tundra
can even the void enter the plane of death ?
sullen dawn
Souls souls something something
We don't know
That's the theory
But so far in the lore theres nothing to say they can
The leak says they're invading it
ember tundra
I would say there's more saying it cannot
terse patrol
This death stuff just sounds like Malthael 2.0
sullen dawn
We know feck all about shadowlanda
ember tundra
some litle things hinting it cannot
smoky mural
you know what my theory is azeroth going to be the death god
sullen dawn
I think that's what sylvanas wanta
ember tundra
oh
terse patrol
But Argus was the death titan
sullen dawn
The war between death and void is over the titan azeroth imo
ember tundra
this actually would be nice
sullen dawn
She wouldn't be the death titan. Shes still the titan of creation. Just either void corrupted or undead depending on who wins
smoky mural
no Argus wasn't
sullen dawn
I imagine the light wants her too but that's another story all together
ember tundra
hope we won't be seeing some light stuff in a while
terse patrol
He’s called the Unmaker.
smoky mural
thats why if it azeroth is the god of death it would make it we can have a reason to fight the light
sullen dawn
Yeh I think light stuff is further off
ember tundra
if not to destroy death
sullen dawn
They were super made about it
ember tundra
is death the enemy of the light and the void ?
sullen dawn
Xal'atath
ember tundra
ah she says something about tyrande ?
ember tundra
oh
terse patrol
Why has the Light made a deal with death then? 
ember tundra
eh ?
terse patrol
If it’s the enemy of all?
ember tundra
what deal did the light ?
sullen dawn
No idea
terse patrol
Because it isn’t.
sullen dawn
Might just be alune
terse patrol
Undeath is the enemy of all.
sullen dawn
*elune
sullen dawn
Doubt naaru are happy
ember tundra
What says elune is actually light ?
terse patrol
The Light made a pact with the enemy of all, undeath.
ember tundra
ah through calia
sullen dawn
Tbf in Chronicle uneath sits in the death quadrant
I'm using the term interchangably
I should say undeath
To be more clear
sullen dawn
Yeh
ember tundra
the same way, why would have the legion sent the lich king summoning death to prepare azeroth if he was a threat for them ?
sullen dawn
You're right there
Maybe its entire light faction
Not just elune
If elune is even light
terse patrol
No @ember tundra Because they planned to destroy the Lich King after the invasion of Azeroth
ember tundra
ok
sullen dawn
Like honkerton said - lich king was a loose end
ember tundra
Another detail, why would priest and paladin (light) have dedicated spells against undead if they are not aligned
I mean, during wotlk we clearly opposed to death the light
and the light was again opposed to the burning legion
as manichean forces
but if death is the enemy of all, wut ?
terse patrol
Well, Blizzard’s lore suffers from years of retcons and conflicting lore additions.
ember tundra
that is what I concluded. I think we will be seeing another lore revamp as with illidan
terse patrol
I just need to point at Overwatch and how they constantly break their own lore.
ember tundra
Never read Overwatch lore so ~~
terse patrol
McCree has three different ages.
ember tundra
lel
unborn glacier
Lol
Never really cared for Overwatch.
Always thought it was a shittier, less fun TF2
ember tundra
actually it's not that bad
round lake
also the new writers they keep bringing in arent fond of the original lore
mystic heart
guys
someone have loyalist cutscene recorded?
inner copper
i just noticed something funny
tranquil steeple
isn't that just this? https://www.wowhead.com/news=295285/war-campaign-sylvanas-loyalist-ending-sylvanas-plan-revealed-spoilers
or is it something completely different?
mystic heart
yea this but cutscene have wowhead logo 😄
inner copper
when i zoom out while running as a female worgen her hands appear open but when i zoom in enough they're closed
tranquil steeple
ah so you want a blank version of the cutscene, aka 100% only cutscene, I getcha
frigid crater
storm marsh
I wish female worgen hands arent closed while running. Male worgen are good
zealous basalt
When does APK stop
tropic trail
next week
storm marsh
What does that mean
zealous basalt
damn it
It means that I have to start leveling the necklace again so i can cap it
I wonder if Wrathion's questline is timegated
or if we are going to get a micro patch like 7.3.2
strange falcon
zealous basalt
lol
lucid steeple
anyone remember the bat models in legion the demon hunters get to ride it is there any future models there makeing i have the flying demon mount that is the same model but flying a demon is not howi like to play so im wondering if there is any like Nazmire blood bats that look like the legion bats or any other kind of bat you do some crazy achivement to get or you farm a raid or mythic for?
round lake
ok thats good
dense plover
Only bat with that model is the forsaken mount from the teldrassil event
There are currently no other uses of it in BfA
limber mural
Which is also horde only
dense plover
Yep
limber mural
And also gone forever
zealous basalt
DO you all think the new title is exclusive for BfA?
tranquil steeple
hm? which?
zealous basalt
"Veteran of the Fourth War"
tranquil steeple
oh, that
zealous basalt
Should be limited to the duration of BfA
ember tundra
why ? the war actually happened so ...
tranquil steeple
if the achievement was listed under the "Expansion Features" category, it could've been limited to bfa
but since it's not, I doubt it
ember tundra
?
zealous basalt
fuck wrong channel
forest sphinx
Did anyone comment on my guess of when 8.3 will hit the PTR? You guys have been talking like crazy since midnight lol
storm marsh
I just want them to announce 8.3 livestream to hype people
Hopefully in next 1-2 weeks
sullen dawn
Any time from next week until during/right after blizzcon
dense plover
They’ll definitely talk about it before Blizzcon
sullen dawn
I'd say the next piece if news is virtual tickets up for sale
Then hopefully ptr before blizzcon yeh, or at least a stream
dense plover
Waiting until Blizzcon means not talking about 9.0 which would be a major mistake
sullen dawn
Maybe a comic drop during oct
dense plover
9.0 should be the focus for Blizzcon
dense plover
They’ve been doing everything with cinematics - there is no logic to dropping a comic out of nowhere - it’s another reason I don’t believe the leak
round lake
Ive been guestimating 3rd week in oct
sullen dawn
I'm not saying comic instead of anything, just as an extra
round lake
for a reveal or discussion of some sort for 8.3
dense plover
I’m still betting around Oct 17th
round lake
14-19
sullen dawn
Hopefully!
dense plover
With a reveal stream and some kind of cinematic
sullen dawn
My birthday is 18th :D
dense plover
2-3 weeks from retail is when we get next ptr usually
zealous basalt
I wonder what is going to happen with Taelia's story or if they are going to continue them
it*
sullen dawn
In 8.3 prolly
dense plover
^
Or they might hold on to her until Bolvar becomes relevant
They’re hinting at him but I expect they’re gonna save him for when they need another legion
Like they did with Illidan
I’m just hoping 8.3 is dragon isles because I honestly have no idea what else it could be
And we still haven’t met wrathion and that seems to be where he is
languid yoke
I just remembered, did anything happen with the datamined raised nelf models for 8.2.5?
like the moonpriestess
zealous basalt
not yet
unborn glacier
I do agree with making the War campaign title exclusive to BFA. That way it makes it a much more lucrative title to obtain and going into the future, would feel much more awesome to have. I wouldn't want, in an xpac or two, to see new players running around with that title. It would lessen the meaning and impact of the title.
zealous basalt
Not for anything it is called "veteran"
It should had more weight if the game detected that you participated in the pre-patch as well
zealous basalt
Who stays in grommash hold?
dense plover
Either they will select a new one
Or hopefully the horde will create a council
No clue
Haven’t seen him around
zealous basalt
Did he poof around
ember tundra
sadly
wise crest
Personally speaking I don't mind people having access to titles from old expansions
lucid steeple
any spoilers on the night elves and worgen in Darkshore because you ask why she isn't at the attack and he tells us she haven't come back from going to fight for her lands...so will there be an update on the night elf story they get a new home and split away from the Alliance being independent or something?
wise crest
If they played the content why the hell not
When they played shouldn't matter
It's artificial elitism
zealous basalt
It's not elitism
zealous basalt
It's giving flavor to the expac like how they did with past events
dense plover
Red - stop asking about any plans
wise crest
Otherwise let everyone get it. There's no point in exclusivity unless you want to feel elitist
dense plover
We literally know nothing of what’s coming moving forward
wise crest
Why
Why make the title exclusive if people play the content
What does it change if they play later
zealous basalt
Rewards from people that are playing it now
dense plover
That’s dumb tho
dense plover
They can just have a hidden Feat of Strength
wise crest
Why are people who play it now better than people who play it later
dense plover
You don’t need to lock a title to playing at the right time
And again, the game plays out as a story over time
wise crest
Or more deserving
dense plover
It shouldn’t be removed
And it shouldn’t have consequences
That’s what prepatch events are
wise crest
Artificial exclusivity is the dumbest concept in games.
tranquil steeple
blizzard's idea of something being limited time to get is things that's a challenge to obtain (MoP/WoD challenge gear/weps, Mage Tower in Legion)
not simply playing the game
dense plover
Prepatch stuff too
tranquil steeple
or dedicated events for something specific, aka Molten Core stuff from 10th anniversary, and upcoming 15th anniversary Chromie-Timewalking
and pre-patch
yeah
dense plover
^
tranquil steeple
I'm sure you could submit a suggestion to make it a Feat of Strength or something, but the way it's set up currently.. it's just not something that should be limited time availability
toxic adder
the patch man i dont even know what to say
dense plover
It’s a minor patch
toxic adder
the first part of the cinem was dope
toxic adder
the second half was like WHATTT
dense plover
Eh everything except for sylvanas’ actions make sense
inner copper
they must have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on them
toxic adder
yeah all the budget was blown for the cinematic
dense plover
And the models aren’t new
The budget?
What did you expect?
A multiweek campaign culminating in a raid?
toxic adder
MOAR xD
dense plover
It’s a minor patch
Not a major one
This was a ton of story for a minor patch
Especially if you include the wrathion stuff too
toxic adder
yeah you right still at the end it was like WHATT
dense plover
Like, 8.1.5 had way less war campaign and it mattered less - it only had the dagger really
dense plover
I play a forsaken - I wasn’t a loyalist
toxic adder
i was loyalist
dense plover
I liked everything up until sylvanas flying away and the ghost lands stuff
It doesn’t add up
toxic adder
yeah
inner copper
i play a worgen so i was already pissy at sylvanas since Cata
toxic adder
dat was dumb
ember tundra
why dumb ?
dense plover
They have to have a reason
It just looks dumb currently
Because she could’ve beaten them and won
They literally said she had a bigger army
toxic adder
as i read the quest text for one she had a deal with ashara
dense plover
His? We don’t even know who sylvanas is working for
She apparently made a deal with Azshara
ember tundra
her* mb
dense plover
If she is worki g with Nzoth, I’m gonna have an aneurism
toxic adder
against nzoth?
ember tundra
no she cant be with nzoth
dense plover
Remember - Azshara destroyed the alliance fleet
At the point where that happens, horde fleet had been destroyed
So that was probably the deal
toxic adder
or is still sylv looking to save the forsaken
dense plover
Work with Azshara to destroy the fleet so she can beat the alliance
toxic adder
the reproduction problem xD
terse patrol
Ehhh, I think it might moreso be that Azshara may be working with Sylvanas and Helya to kill N’zoth. @dense plover
“Losing” may have been part of that.
dense plover
Eh - Helya has no reason to want to kill Nzoth
toxic adder
hmm you right
toxic adder
makes more sense why she sad beast howling for honor and so on
so its a team up against nzoth
so its again the horde/alaince when they fight nzoth gonna forgive again everything
ember tundra
Little detail, who gave sylvanas such power ?
round lake
8.3 need deets now
toxic adder
so next exp is goint to be void stuff
toxic adder
lets team up to kill the old gods YEAH
dense plover
I want Nzoth to consume or free cthun and or yogg
And for them to just go all out
We have never had a free old god
This is the chance to show off the power of a being we can’t even understand
A being so large we’ve only ever seen pieces
toxic adder
a new cata remap of the world OLD GOD style
terse patrol
My guess? 8.3 will be MoP lite. It’s based on the mystical Dragon Isles, and ends in a raid set in Stormwind where Sylvanas plays her hand to lead into next expac.
dense plover
I would much rather have new zones
terse patrol
Because Sylvanas is the Blizzcon keyart, we know she plays a big role next expac.
dense plover
That’s pretty much what I’ve been predicting Honk
tropic trail
"You resist. You cling to your life as if it actually matters. You will learn."
toxic adder
hmm
sullen dawn
Yeh they defo need to update the old world
tropic trail
It's yogg, Sylvanas reflects this dialogue perfectly
dense plover
Yogg hasn’t shown up since the very beginning- also I doubt she is working with an old god
That would be the worst form of storytelling
Since she has been plotting the war since legion
toxic adder
nzoth gonna crap all over azeroth xD
tropic trail
"He will learn no king rules forever, only death is eternal"
If Yogg could corrupt Loken
Why would Helya be immune?
sullen dawn
Immune to whatm
tropic trail
To being corrupted or serving Yogg's will
dense plover
Helya is trapped
sullen dawn
I doubt she's 'immune' but I just don't think shes corrupted
sullen dawn
1 old god is
Yeh
Eventually
But I'm sure heya is actively working against the old gods
tropic trail
Sylvanas was also impaled on a spike on his blood
And was "ressurected by valkyrs"
He calls himself the god of death
Doesnt like Nzoth that much
He is void related so it fits the purple magic sylvie uses
sullen dawn
Sylvanas used death magic
tropic trail
So does Yogg presumably
dense plover
You can’t make definitive statements dude
tropic trail
Noone can
tropic trail
Mine has as much validity as people saying the shadowlands leak is real
tropic trail
But it has the most evidence
dense plover
No it doesn’t
sullen dawn
No it doesn't dukka
dense plover
No leak has any evidence
tropic trail
Helya and Sylvanas are under Yogg's thumb
sullen dawn
You're some random guy in discord
The leak has potential screenshots. The leak isnt evidenced but it has more credibility than you
zealous basalt
What now
tropic trail
6-8 years is nothing for yogg lol
tranquil steeple
the longest game yogg would play is to corrupt a titankeeper while making sure they don't catch up on it, or making sure they don't realize it
to get himself released
tropic trail
He waited on corrupting Ulduar
tranquil steeple
or whatever
mystic heart
ah this journals
unborn glacier
We already know about this Journal
toxic adder
Good for you, i dint xD
ionic terrace
Cyrus has some new text
ionic terrace
Wonder if random storyline npcs have new text
inner copper
D:< SYLVANAS LOYALIST DETECTED
terse patrol
Has anyone tried to return to the Hunters Hall after the war campaign?
terse patrol
The guy from the Hunter Order Hall gives you a quest in some older data mining to go find that one Dark Ranger lady at the Scarlet Monastery.
ionic terrace
I can try, not a hunter tho
zealous basalt
nope
pulsar iris
what be this UI mak
unborn glacier
@flint meteor Agreed. Being back in the Ghostlands felt so refreshing and nostalgic. It's been so long.
zealous basalt
Gw 2 ui
pulsar iris
looks like it has evolved since i tried it
night swift
Its amazing seeing people get nostalgic in ghostlands when they’re there to meet a person that just killed the leader of a rebellion and basically told her own faction and people they’re all shit
storm marsh
Okay wtf. Someone noticed this earlier today. Worgen Female's hands are closed when you're running, BUT when you zoom out (a lot), her hands are open-which looks much much better. How is this possible
strange falcon
Well,shes playing 7D chess if youve seen the loyalist cinematic
zealous basalt
dirty hax
strange falcon
Its like when you want to salvage a group project in school, and everyones doing whatever else
languid yoke
except she is one step ahead of everyone anyway, somehow
stiff vector
strange falcon
BFA will go down either as a decent or as a Shiz expac solely on its ending with Sylvs plan and all. At this point
tropic trail
@night swift I really enjoyed how Saurfang got his ass beaten ❤
night swift
Only after she got burned by Saurfang and decided to use... whatever the fuck that magic was to kill him
Another cheater in a mak’gora
meager zodiac
lol she was already destroying him
he got one small blow
when she had sliced his neck, chest, back, legs and thigs
he was being played with and got a quick ending
night swift
And then he got back up, called her out, and just like what happened in the warbringers, she got angry and exploded
night swift
Yeah and now she has both factions after her
zealous basalt
Rektality
meager zodiac
saurfang got orkus deletus
hasty elbow
still Saurfang trigger her.....
night swift
She gets triggered easily it looks like
meager zodiac
and saurfang dies like a bitch, it looks like
night swift
Technically yes he won
meager zodiac
part the part he is dead
zealous basalt
Idk but I can't buy the cgi of Wow that isn't orc
night swift
Then theres very real human looking anduin
zealous basalt
Not counting that thrall Heavily looked like his father
I like how it went from pre rendered
To cgi
To in game
night swift
zealous basalt
Man someone is salty her characters are getting "ruined"
agile token
I loved this shot
night swift
It appears so
night swift
If tyrande comes in and tries to fuck with this horde and alliance peace I will go back to teldrassil and burn it down again
night swift
Elune is actually evil
zealous basalt
Nah
meager zodiac
nah i just embrace that sylvannas is a badly wrriten villain now
and i can find humor on her killing saurfail like that
zealous basalt
Ya ya
night swift
We get it
zealous basalt
Good one
meager zodiac
camon its hilarious
zealous basalt
Still what that elf ranger said
night swift
Its old
zealous basalt
Was worrying
meager zodiac
the literall music stops
and he drops dead
eehheehheheh
aahahahhaaha its hilarious
night swift
...
meager zodiac
all those cinematics just to die like a bitch
zealous basalt
You are broken
night swift
Its called story building
meager zodiac
broken in laughter
meager zodiac
that is why granny takes aderall boo
tranquil steeple
Spriests anonymous welcome you
zealous basalt
Too much void makes stuff
meager zodiac
im not even a horde player bruh, but you just need two eyes and braincells to see she is ruined for this crap story and that this whole thing is a bad, horrible story
zealous basalt
In your ruined brain maybes
tranquil steeple
it's just that she can't get away with what she did before
night swift
We’ve known she was plotting shit since legion
tranquil steeple
now that she's in the literal spotlight
meager zodiac
are you defending this story makore?
zealous basalt
Is that bad?
meager zodiac
well from what i read of you, you probably lack 2 braincells.
i mean you do you i guess
meager zodiac
okay oky sorry sorry
you do have 2 braincells
you have one and jhock over here has the other
so together you form 2 braincells
tranquil steeple
zealous basalt
Wow, imagine being salty over a story
night swift
zealous basalt
A story that just ecause it didn't go your way you go calling stuff on other peebs
Aren't you Sylvanas irl?
meager zodiac
but anywho #saurfanggravedanceparty
zealous basalt
"It didn't went the way my expert brain said, bad writting"
zealous basalt
Oshite
night swift
Oboy
tropic trail
there is nothing wrong about hating a character
being upset by the direction and all
meager zodiac
so a characther being stripped of any traits, agenda and arch to fill a plot line
sullen dawn
Don't worry Makore, apparently you're not allowed to like the story
tropic trail
but calling a great character, horrible because you dont like the waay this character is
is stupid
meager zodiac
you dont have to like or dislike something to have objective observations that sylvannas is not even a characther anymore
meager zodiac
she is a plot device that the writers use
meager zodiac
devoid of any of her past characterization
tropic trail
Sylvanus has been a self-absorbed dick bag since the inception of her character she's never been good
tranquil steeple
zealous basalt
The salt here is great
meager zodiac
its pretty clear the characther is going under the bus?
tropic trail
She's just being revealed for what she is a self-absorbed sycophant
night swift
Maybe horrible “person” was a better word there
zealous basalt
We might need a mod to calm us all down before this goes worse